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Starkiller/Savage vs. Jai Maruk, Kenth Hamner, Kas'im, Jax Pavan, and Eeth Koth

Battle takes place on Hypori

Why is Jax Kasim and Koth listed as fodder?

Well Jax has Savage chase his own tail via illusions while the team either finishes him or starkiller.

How long did it take him to prep his illusions?

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Originally posted by carthage
How long did it take him to prep his illusions? zero time. He casts illusions casually. Even when being choked out by Vader

Aside from possibly Hamner (not sure wtf he has going for him), none of team two is fodder.

Didn't Hamner ragdoll Kyp Durron? I mean, some posters here would suggest that's a lot to have going for you.

Really?

If that's the case nobody on team two is fodder.


Either way I'd give it to team two though.

He force-pushed Kyp after Kyp pushed Horn into him. Then talked Kyp down.

They weren't really going all out or trying to hurt each other, but just throwing weight around a bit.


Additionally, when fighting Saba he inflicted some wounds (though was clearly the weaker in saber), and he took down two knights with his bare hands.


I'd compare him to, oh, maybe K'Kruhk level? Not a major badass among badasses, but still reasonably strong.


I would expect the 5 'fodder' to take some casualties along the way, but it's not a bad crew.

Kas'im is fodder by virtue if getting Killed by a trainee and having no feats to his name. Pavan, Hamner, and Koth are the most effective members of their team

Originally posted by carthage
Kas'im is fodder by virtue if getting Killed by a trainee and having no feats to his name. Pavan, Hamner, and Koth are the most effective members of their team what trainee? I don't remember any trainees

Trainee Bane was his name

As I've explained countless times, Bane was not a trainee at that point, he had already basically been promoted to the Sith Council.

But I hardly expect you to actually process this information in your brain and get it correct next time.

Stop talking to me DMB, you're on ignore for a reason. I was speaking with Bantha not you

Bantha was making the same point I was making.

Originally posted by Q99
He force-pushed Kyp after Kyp pushed Horn into him. Then talked Kyp down.

They weren't really going all out or trying to hurt each other, but just throwing weight around a bit.


Additionally, when fighting Saba he inflicted some wounds (though was clearly the weaker in saber), and he took down two knights with his bare hands.


I'd compare him to, oh, maybe K'Kruhk level? Not a major badass among badasses, but still reasonably strong.


I would expect the 5 'fodder' to take some casualties along the way, but it's not a bad crew.

He should at least be roughly comparable to Savage, as he was able to hold his own against Saba. Savage would overpower him in the end while Starkiller would fall back on his force abilities to stomp Kas'im, Koth, and Maruk. Savage can pto probably take Maruk and Kas'im at once, while Starkiller mops up with his force power

Originally posted by carthage
Trainee Bane was his name but Bane wasn't a trainee. At that point Banes training was completed for some time. In fact he was named one of the Dark Lords and was recognized as one of the leaders of the Sith.

So I reiterate, what trainee?

Still team 2 has something team 1 has no real answer for. And that is Jax's illusions. They are life like and neither combat has the means to deal with them. Savage especially will be easily fooled by them though Starkiller stands a much better chance at recognizing them. And these illusions are one of Jaxs goto tactics. So Savage is really nullified in this battle

Originally posted by carthage
He should at least be roughly comparable to Savage, as he was able to hold his own against Saba.

Eh, Saba was just trying to stop him and still won fairly decisively, he died only because he forced her hand. He was able to put up a fight, but there was a clear gap between them, she won out in both sabers and force.

That doesn't mean he's not comparable to Savage though. I put her above him decisively as well.

Can Starkiller overpower their Defense?

Jai and Kenth feats?