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Okay, the Bleach characters fighting are:
Ichibei (Bankai,)
Yamamoto (Bankai, both arms,)
Oetsu
Mugetsu Ichigo and Current Ichigo (turns out all of his power up to now has only been a fraction of his actual power that he now has)
Yhwach (Almighty is activated, and he has all of his power.)
Vs
Naruto (Yang seal.)
Sasuke (Yin seal and Rinnegan.)
Kakashi (DMS)
Might Gai.
Bleach has knowledge of Rinnegan (MS) abilities, but nothing else; Naruto has knowledge of some of Yama's attacks, and Mugetsu but nothing else.
To those who say Naruto is faster, then check this out.

Ichibei has moved his hand so fast that he bent space.
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/605/09.png
Ichibei's Senri can blast Yhwach 1000Ri (4000km) away and he crossed that same distance in a second.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7waO7ykj-U0/VGWqxk3SD9I/AAAAAAAAV80/RW35i1kVgu0/013.png?imgmax=3000
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YQH-RFUcO4c/VGWq1jBRY_I/AAAAAAAAV9E/MnYRvK8wIQI/015.png?imgmax=3000
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wLREGdJqt50/VGWq7assgRI/AAAAAAAAV9U/DHPG3_aMIA4/017.png?imgmax=3000
Lightning moves 224000mph per second which is the equivalent of 3700 miles per minute (not a typo, the belief that it moves 3700 miles per second is incorrect.)
Lightning is Mach 180-300.
Ichibei's feet is about Mach 11000.
Ichigo also blitzed Lightning and crossed the entire Seireitei in a second.
Debate!

Many Nardo top tiers have been able to solo OP for some time now

OP>Clorox so, yeah

Why is team a Naruto at a disadvantage in numbers?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Why is team a Naruto at a disadvantage in numbers?
Naruto is generally considered stronger then Bleach, but I forgot to add Kaguya, sorry, I meant to have her on the team.
I only noticed this just now; I can't edit it now, but do you wish to go by the assumption that Naruto has Kaguya on their side?
I'll allow you all to make the decision.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Many Nardo top tiers have been able to solo OP for some time now

OP>Clorox so, yeah
Hmm?
Plenty of Bleach and Naruto chars can both beat plenty of OP chars.
What's OP>Clorox?

Originally posted by Kaldin
Okay, the Bleach characters fighting are:
Ichibei (Bankai,)
Yamamoto (Bankai, both arms,)
Oetsu
Mugetsu Ichigo and Current Ichigo (turns out all of his power up to now has only been a fraction of his actual power that he now has)
Yhwach (Almighty is activated, and he has all of his power.)
Vs
Naruto (Yang seal.)
Sasuke (Yin seal and Rinnegan.)
Kakashi (DMS)
Might Gai.
Bleach has knowledge of Rinnegan (MS) abilities, but nothing else; Naruto has knowledge of some of Yama's attacks, and Mugetsu but nothing else.
To those who say Naruto is faster, then check this out.

Ichibei has moved his hand so fast that he bent space.
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/605/09.png
Ichibei's Senri can blast Yhwach 1000Ri (4000km) away and he crossed that same distance in a second.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7waO7ykj-U0/VGWqxk3SD9I/AAAAAAAAV80/RW35i1kVgu0/013.png?imgmax=3000
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YQH-RFUcO4c/VGWq1jBRY_I/AAAAAAAAV9E/MnYRvK8wIQI/015.png?imgmax=3000
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wLREGdJqt50/VGWq7assgRI/AAAAAAAAV9U/DHPG3_aMIA4/017.png?imgmax=3000
Lightning moves 224000mph per second which is the equivalent of 3700 miles per minute (not a typo, the belief that it moves 3700 miles per second is incorrect.)
Lightning is Mach 180-300.
Ichibei's feet is about Mach 11000.
Ichigo also blitzed Lightning and crossed the entire Seireitei in a second.
Debate!

Well, first off, I don't remember Ichibei ever "bending space".

Anyway, a few things.

Firstly, 1 RI = 2.44 miles

Sound = 768 mph = 12.8 mps

1,000 RI = 244,000 miles

244,000 mps = Ichibei's speed

Speed of Ichibe = 19,062.5 times faster than sound, or mach 19,062.

So, overall, Ichibei is about mach 19,000. Impressive.

Now, let's look at Naruto.

I could go all around, scaling character speeds from how the Jyuubi shot a biju bomb across several countries to reach the lightning country, or how massive the gods tree was, or how characters have been moving as fast as lightning since Killer Bee in first cloak mode, but it's easier just to give reaction speed.

The easiest way to do that is by using Jyuubidara and Jyuubito. Both of whom were casually able to react to, and even outspeed Minato's Hiraishin, which teleports his body as a mass of light, and at the speed of light. Meaning that their combat speed is FTL+. Kaguya is "on a whole other level" than those two, and Naruto and Sasuke both managed to combat her, and even physically dominate her at times.

Not saying the Naruto characters are FTL in movement speed, but they can definitely react to it, and work with their warping techniques in tandum with their ridiculous reaction speeds to make them the equivalent to MFTL, at least when fighting. I'd definitely say though that certain characters later on get FTL in movement speed, such as Gai in 8th gate and above.

Where are you getting a time table in that feat from? I see a sonic boom and a guy appearing after it...

Also, Ichibe clearly didn't actually blast him back 4,000 kilometers. I mean, the arena where they were previously fighting is still visible, you know--though I admit the attack may potentially have been as powerful as one of Gai's Air Canons.

who can withstand fire hotter than the sun in naruto?

Yikes! Can't we disable Zanka no Tachi West? D:

Nah, just messin'.

Honestly, though, if we were to assume energy equivalency... Naruto could, using his Truth Seeker Orbs. Also, Sasuke's Amaterasu can burn it, theoretically. Kakashi's Kamui is also a viable tactic to use against it...

IIRC, the sun armor's effects aren't immediate( in that temp doesn't automatically reach 15 million C).

But so far any of the characters on the Naruto team could end Yamamoto before he even began the attack.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
IIRC, the sun armor's effects aren't immediate( in that temp doesn't automatically reach 15 million C).

But so far any of the characters on the Naruto team could end Yamamoto before he even began the attack.


what do you mean it not immediate when he turns it on its 15 million degrees

unless im forgetting something

Originally posted by yungz22
what do you mean it not immediate when he turns it on its 15 million degrees

unless im forgetting something
Well I could have remembered something incorrectly.

Pretty sure SS didn't automatically combust when it activated.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well I could have remembered something incorrectly.

Pretty sure SS didn't automatically combust when it activated.


nah once he uses bankai his flames are as powerful as the sun and prolonged use can destroy even the soul society

That means it gets hotter as it goes on.

Mind you SS has handled Absolute 0 do I'm not sure why the sun should be any different.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
That means it gets hotter as it goes on.

Mind you SS has handled Absolute 0 do I'm not sure why the sun should be any different.


lol because absolute zero and the heat of the SUN are the same. lol and rukia is a strong as yama ji



zanka no tachi is as hot as the sun when released and it gets hotter as time progresses


if it werent for earths atmosphere the sun would literally make it HELL on earth

Something tells me this will be hilarious.

my fist sentence in my las post was sarcasm btw


i think dc wise naruto characters are stronger but i also think ichibei yama gii and juha have some abilities that some naruto characters cant deal with

Originally posted by yungz22
lol because absolute zero and the heat of the SUN are the same. lol and rukia is a strong as yama ji



zanka no tachi is as hot as the sun when released and it gets hotter as time progresses


if it werent for earths atmosphere the sun would literally make it HELL on earth Yeah, and absolute zero is so cold that all molecular movement stops (**** zero point energy). That's why it's absolute, there is nothing lower than it.

The thing about absolute zero, however, is that IIRC it's a theoretical limit and can't be achieved by any current technological means (if ddm were here I'd ask him about this, but he's not so I can't), because heat transfers and shit. So everything would have to be absolute zero for anything to be absolute zero, I think.

Anyway this thread is trash. Kaguya would solo as of right now.

http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/507/20

It's heat "reaches", ergo it doesn't get hotter than the sun.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, and absolute zero is so cold that all molecular movement stops (**** zero point energy). That's why it's absolute, there is nothing lower than it.

The thing about absolute zero, however, is that IIRC it's a theoretical limit and can't be achieved by any current technological means (if ddm were here I'd ask him about this, but he's not so I can't), because heat transfers and shit. So everything would have to be absolute zero for anything to be absolute zero, I think.

Anyway this thread is trash. Kaguya would solo as of right now.


yea absolute zero is theoretical it hasnt been shown to exist yet by human standards

kaguya is def the x factor

You wouldn't need Kaguya to solo Clorox

Pretty sure Nardo could solo Clorox before even Obito came along

People throw around soloing entire verses way too casually lol. I don't think people realize how godlike you would have to be to contend with so many characters with varying speeds and hax. But hey sure, Naruto before Obito even showed up could def solo Bleach.

LOL KMC is hilarious.

Doesn't take all that much to crush a verse that only has numerical superiority over you, and nothing else. Reason why the HST has been on the receiving end of godstomps against any DBZ character past Raditz tier

DBZ has zero hax. It's speed/strength and energy blasts. There are dozens and dozens and DOZENS of haxed characters who would SHIT all over DBZ characters.

jk. Goku during the Buu saga was a lowballed 70 million times faster than light.

LOLOLOL

Yeah, too bad none of them exist in in Nardo, Clorox or OP



>something most of us never claimed

OK then

Naruto

Originally posted by Trocity

jk. Goku during the Buu saga was a lowballed 70 million times faster than light.

No, that really doesn't work. Not with how long it took Gotenks to circle the Earth....


Is that a "someone calced a speed at lower power, then multiplied up for higher power" calc? Because it's not simple multiplication like that, and light speed isn't something to just be linearly reached either...

How the hell you can calc stack in Gotenk's feat I'll never know.....

Originally posted by Trocity
People throw around soloing entire verses way too casually lol. I don't think people realize how godlike you would have to be to contend with so many characters with varying speeds and hax. But hey sure, Naruto before Obito even showed up could def solo Bleach.

LOL KMC is hilarious. Kaguya is stronger than someone who cut the ****ing moon in half.

She godstomps Bleach with a single attack.

I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

Bleach has plenty of haxxx to work with too, like Ichibe's power. My bets are still on Naruto, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

On the flipside, Sasuke was able to spam his Perfect Susano'o's attacks, he can casually rapid-fire slice meteors apart.

I don't think Kaguya is in this thread though the Naruto team would still win.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

Bleach has plenty of haxxx to work with too, like Ichibe's power. My bets are still on Naruto, though.

Um... No.

Kenny could destroy a meteor with about a mile or so diameter, in his shikai.

Sasuke was slicing them into ribbons by the dozens with his PS. Not to mention that he was stronger than Jyuubidara, who via powerscaling, was much stronger than Jyuubito, who was much stronger than Hashirama, who was much stronger than the same Madara who cut a MOUNTAIN RANGE in half with his PS.

Sasuke >>>>>>> Mountain range slicing.

I mean, why do you think they added the part in the Last where Naruto casually tanked a moon busting attack? And that was even after he lost his Asura powers. Sasuke STILL had his rinnegan, meaning Sasuke >>>>> Last Naruto > Moon slicing.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Kenny could destroy a meteor with about a mile or so diameter, in his shikai.

I saw a pretty reliable looking calc showing it to be closer to 5 miles.



And Kenpachi couldn't? He wiped one out with a single blow, you don't think he could dish out another?



Much stronger?



Again, much stronger?



Yep; just like 5-mile-thick meteors >>>>>>> 0.3 mile-thick mountains

I hate any character statement that starts "via power scaling"

Sauce guy has feats, they crap on team Bleach.

That is all.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Doesn't take all that much to crush a verse that only has numerical superiority over you, and nothing else. Reason why the HST has been on the receiving end of godstomps against any DBZ character past Raditz tier


Also? Numerical superiority counts for a lot less when there's an individual who can manifest at least hundreds of himself at high levels.


Naruto by himself could take on every high-level Bleach character, and he'd be the one with numerical superiority.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kaguya is stronger than someone who cut the ****ing moon in half.

She godstomps Bleach with a single attack.
But is Kaguya fighting in this?
Feat wise she's not impressive, she was getting stomped by Naruto and Kakashi.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, first off, I don't remember Ichibei ever "bending space".

Anyway, a few things.

Firstly, 1 RI = 2.44 miles

Sound = 768 mph = 12.8 mps

1,000 RI = 244,000 miles

244,000 mps = Ichibei's speed

Speed of Ichibe = 19,062.5 times faster than sound, or mach 19,062.

So, overall, Ichibei is about mach 19,000. Impressive.

Now, let's look at Naruto.

I could go all around, scaling character speeds from how the Jyuubi shot a biju bomb across several countries to reach the lightning country, or how massive the gods tree was, or how characters have been moving as fast as lightning since Killer Bee in first cloak mode, but it's easier just to give reaction speed.

The easiest way to do that is by using Jyuubidara and Jyuubito. Both of whom were casually able to react to, and even outspeed Minato's Hiraishin, which teleports his body as a mass of light, and at the speed of light. Meaning that their combat speed is FTL+. Kaguya is "on a whole other level" than those two, and Naruto and Sasuke both managed to combat her, and even physically dominate her at times.

Not saying the Naruto characters are FTL in movement speed, but they can definitely react to it, and work with their warping techniques in tandum with their ridiculous reaction speeds to make them the equivalent to MFTL, at least when fighting. I'd definitely say though that certain characters later on get FTL in movement speed, such as Gai in 8th gate and above.

That was definitely not a sonic boom my friend, Ichibei did indeed bend space. Minato's Hiraishin doesn't travel him as a mass of light, neither is it light speed, its instantaneous movement, however only the teleporting is instant, both Juubito and Juubidara only reacted to Minato after he teleported. Sasuke was getting stomped by Kaguya, it was Naruto who was doing the dominating.

Gai had the greatest speed feat in the Manga, which is usually believed to be his distorting of space, however, how can we know he was even distorting space? He certainly didn't move more then a few metres after all, it could have been simply him distorting air right?

The same could be said for Ichibei too, but you can't say that was a sonic boom either, considering that someone like Yhwach was shocked at the speed of his hand, unless Bleach characters only have speed of sound reactions.
Since when was Killer Bee faster then Lightning in his first cloak?
Naruto characters aren't in the Mach thousands, except for perhaps Might Gai if his distorting of space is true, that's sub-relativistic speeds right there.
Ichibei should still be faster then any Naruto character though.
Also, remember that Yhwach is here, and any attack he sees is rendered useless, he can see into the future, and only the Soul King himself is above the 'Almighty.'

nobody in naruto is lightspeed

Very clearly not.



The fact remains that the Raikage using his lightning transportation couldn't tag Minato before he warped, and Madara by contrast landed three blows on him before he got the chance.



Because it's directly stated that he did.



He moved several miles, if you are to actually pay attention to the scan. Also, air can't bend a truth seeker rod.



Both Naruto and Bleach characters at this point on an average basis should be high-end hypersonic or low-end massively hypersonic, no higher on either side with the exception of Guy.



I see no quantifiable evidence for this.



This seemingly doesn't apply when he's dealing with other godly beings though, a we saw in the most recent chapter.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Very clearly not.
Hmm? How is it somehow a sonic boom then my friend? Its not even shaped like one lol.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
The fact remains that the Raikage using his lightning transportation couldn't tag Minato before he warped, and Madara by contrast landed three blows on him before he got the chance.


Oh dear, it seems your not as knowledgeable as you think. The Raikage's Lightning armour isn't actual lightning, and is simply Chakra. Minato doesn't warp, where the hell did you get that from?


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Because it's directly stated that he did.
Yes, it is indeed in the newest Databook, thanks for telling me something I already went and found out.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
He moved several miles, if you are to actually pay attention to the scan. Also, air can't bend a truth seeker rod.
Several miles ins't enough for space bending or being in the Mach thousands, that bending space thing is the only fast thing in that feat.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Both Naruto and Bleach characters at this point on an average basis should be high-end hypersonic or low-end massively hypersonic, no higher on either side with the exception of Guy.

Ichibei's feats are better then Gai, smacking a guy about 4000km away before he could talk or even lift his arm, Ichibei then crossed that same distance within that same time frame.
Mach 11,000 or Mach 19,000


Originally posted by NewGuy01
I see no quantifiable evidence for this.



This seemingly doesn't apply when he's dealing with other godly beings though, a we saw in the most recent chapter.

The Soul King is the only person who Yhwach's power can't apply to, and he's Yhwach's father; other characters wont have that luxury, especially since the Soul King has a more powerful version of seeing into the future. Does Naruto have anyone that has the ability to see into the future on the level of Yhwach or at all?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I saw a pretty reliable looking calc showing it to be closer to 5 miles.



And Kenpachi couldn't? He wiped one out with a single blow, you don't think he could dish out another?



Much stronger?



Again, much stronger?



Yep; just like 5-mile-thick meteors >>>>>>> 0.3 mile-thick mountains

Mmm, no. Going by pixel scaling is the only thing we can do, unless we guess-timate the size of the seireitei. Unless you're saying that Sokyoku hill is several miles high, which by contrast would make most of the buildings in the SS much larger than they've been shown, the meteor could have only been about a mile or two in length, as it was quite a bit smaller(about a fifth the size of) than the seireitei, which is only about the size of a regular town, going by maps provided by cannon. My point is that the Seireitei is about 5-10 miles in diameter, and the meteor was only about a fifth the size of it. That makes it anywhere from 1-2 miles.

Um... No, Kenpachi couldn't. He released his sword, and blew up the meteor with it. He then proved incapable of repeating said feat, when it would have mattered against Gremmy. Kenpachi was unsure of his ability against the first meteor, how do you think he would fair against several dozen more, each being about five or so times larger? Pretty sure he'd have some trouble there, and that's being conservative.

Yes, MUCH stronger than Jyuubito. Jyuubito was incapable of beating the four Hokage's, once sage mode Naruto stepped in. Madara in base form put all the Biju/Jinchuriki down, including Naruto, the four Hokage's, Sasuke, and all with only ONE rinnegan. BEFORE getting the Jyuubi. Madara was stronger than Jyuubito IN BASE FORM. Maybe not stronger, but definitely more capable as a fighter.

Again, YES, MUCH stronger. Hashirama was so much stronger than Madara, that he was able to KO his best offense, the PS Kyuubi, with a palm touch to it's forehead(from the thousand hand wood idol). Hashirama in sage mode with the wood idol was RIDICULOUSLY stronger than Madara with PS Kyuubi, which by the way was the FULL POWER Kyuubi, not the half power that Naruto has. Also, not to mention that the Kyuubi's power doesn't even count as Madara's. Without the Kyuubi, Madara is nothing to Hashirama. That's why even Hashirama's wood golem, one of his simple attacks that he doesn't even need sage mode to use, was able to fight on par with Madara's perfect Susano'o when he didn't have the Kyuubi.

Thousand hand wood idol/Sage mode Hashirama >>> Perfect Susano'o Kyuubi/Madara >>> Wood Golem/Hashirama > Perfect Susano'o/Madara.

Even Jyuubito is stronger than Sage mode Hashirama.

Jyuubidara is much stronger than Jyuubito.

Kaguya is "on a whole other level", and ridiculously stronger than Jyuubidara.

Kaguya >>>>> Jyuubidara >>> Jyuubito > Hashirama wood idol >>> Madara PS Kyuubi > Hashirama > Madara.

0.3 mile thick mountains? lol, based on? A typical mountain is WAAY thicker than that, pal. And the feat is consistent, given that characters on par with Perfect Susano'o can mountain range, to continent bust.

Originally posted by Kaldin
But is Kaguya fighting in this?
Feat wise she's not impressive, she was getting stomped by Naruto and Kakashi.


That was definitely not a sonic boom my friend, Ichibei did indeed bend space. Minato's Hiraishin doesn't travel him as a mass of light, neither is it light speed, its instantaneous movement, however only the teleporting is instant, both Juubito and Juubidara only reacted to Minato after he teleported. Sasuke was getting stomped by Kaguya, it was Naruto who was doing the dominating.

Gai had the greatest speed feat in the Manga, which is usually believed to be his distorting of space, however, how can we know he was even distorting space? He certainly didn't move more then a few metres after all, it could have been simply him distorting air right?

The same could be said for Ichibei too, but you can't say that was a sonic boom either, considering that someone like Yhwach was shocked at the speed of his hand, unless Bleach characters only have speed of sound reactions.
Since when was Killer Bee faster then Lightning in his first cloak?
Naruto characters aren't in the Mach thousands, except for perhaps Might Gai if his distorting of space is true, that's sub-relativistic speeds right there.
Ichibei should still be faster then any Naruto character though.
Also, remember that Yhwach is here, and any attack he sees is rendered useless, he can see into the future, and only the Soul King himself is above the 'Almighty.'

Um, feat-wise, Kaguya is capable of destroying planets with a single attack. That is more impressive than everything we've seen in Bleach, combined, times a thousand.

Um, no it was a special attack, idiot. Show me the scan that says Ichibei "bent space". And no, it was outright stated by Mabui and the Raikage that Hiraishin is "as fast as the speed of light". Where did you get instantaneous movement? That would literally mean that the other three hokage could Shunshin at almost an instantaneous speed, which is clearly much faster than light. lol no. And also, Minato was easily able to dodge Raikage's lightning armor, which makes him as fast as lightning. This means that Minato can activate his warp MUCH faster than lightning. This makes Jyuubidara so much faster in attack speed than lightning, that it's not even funny. In fact, since he was able to tag Minato as he warped, it's consistent with him being light speed+ in reaction/combat speed.

Uh, we know because it was blatantly stated outright. Unlike Ichibei's so called "space bending" feat, which you have yet to provide. Air pressure can't bend something like the truth seeking rods, which have tanked mountain range+ attacks EASILY. Gai used Air pressure from his punch to bend space, which bent the rod. That's a monstrous speed feat, surpassing light speed with a punch.

*sigh* You know, sonic booms can be faster than mach 1, right? Their is such a thing as, "the speed of force", which can theoretically surpass light speed, even in real life. This doesn't matter though, as I have absolutely no clue as to what you're talking about with this whole, "Sonic boom" thing. It makes no sense, pal. I already gave the speed of Ichibei and his feat. There's nothing left for you to argue.

Killer Bee was faster then Lightning in his first cloak when he out-sped Ay in his lightning armor, which makes him able to move as fast as lightning, and makes his synapses fire as fast as a flash of light.

You're right. Naruto characters are typically much faster than mach thousands. High-tiers, like Kaguya, Naruto, Jyuubidara, Sasuke, etc. are sub relativistic to light speed+.

No. Ichibei would get blitzed by any of the high-tiers. Especially the ones with Hiraishin, or other warping.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, feat-wise, Kaguya is capable of destroying planets with a single attack. That is more impressive than everything we've seen in Bleach, combined, times a thousand.

Um, no it was a special attack, idiot. Show me the scan that says Ichibei "bent space". And no, it was outright stated by Mabui and the Raikage that Hiraishin is "as fast as the speed of light". Where did you get instantaneous movement? That would literally mean that the other three hokage could Shunshin at almost an instantaneous speed, which is clearly much faster than light. lol no. And also, Minato was easily able to dodge Raikage's lightning armor, which makes him as fast as lightning. This means that Minato can activate his warp MUCH faster than lightning. This makes Jyuubidara so much faster in attack speed than lightning, that it's not even funny. In fact, since he was able to tag Minato as he warped, it's consistent with him being light speed+ in reaction/combat speed.

Uh, we know because it was blatantly stated outright. Unlike Ichibei's so called "space bending" feat, which you have yet to provide. Air pressure can't bend something like the truth seeking rods, which have tanked mountain range+ attacks EASILY. Gai used Air pressure from his punch to bend space, which bent the rod. That's a monstrous speed feat, surpassing light speed with a punch.

*sigh* You know, sonic booms can be faster than mach 1, right? Their is such a thing as, "the speed of force", which can theoretically surpass light speed, even in real life. This doesn't matter though, as I have absolutely no clue as to what you're talking about with this whole, "Sonic boom" thing. It makes no sense, pal. I already gave the speed of Ichibei and his feat. There's nothing left for you to argue.

Killer Bee was faster then Lightning in his first cloak when he out-sped Ay in his lightning armor, which makes him able to move as fast as lightning, and makes his synapses fire as fast as a flash of light.

You're right. Naruto characters are typically much faster than mach thousands. High-tiers, like Kaguya, Naruto, Jyuubidara, Sasuke, etc. are sub relativistic to light speed+.

No. Ichibei would get blitzed by any of the high-tiers. Especially the ones with Hiraishin, or other warping.

when did mabui say hiraishin is as fast as light?

teleportation isnt lightspeed movement the two have noting to do with each. teleportation skips the distance that needs to be physically travelled while lightspeed movement travels the whole distance physically.

hiraishin is teleportation

shunshin is just fast movement much like the flash step in bleach

I never said it was. Lightning transportation is the literal name of his movement technique, "Raiton no Shunshin".




Warp, teleport, call it what you like.



Can't tell what your problem is, tbh.



Sure it is, you can move 10 feet at the speed of light and still have moved at lightspeed, the distance is irrelevant unless there's a time frame slapped to it.



And yet that distance clearly wasn't 4000km, considering you can still see structures that were a few meters high in the distance.



You're assuming things, we don't have any indicator as to what that time frame was, it's incalculable.



Can you prove that?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, feat-wise, Kaguya is capable of destroying planets with a single attack. That is more impressive than everything we've seen in Bleach, combined, times a thousand.
No, she's not a planet buster casually, are you absolutely retarded?


Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, no it was a special attack, idiot. Show me the scan that says Ichibei "bent space". And no, it was outright stated by Mabui and the Raikage that Hiraishin is "as fast as the speed of light". Where did you get instantaneous movement? That would literally mean that the other three hokage could Shunshin at almost an instantaneous speed, which is clearly much faster than light. lol no. And also, Minato was easily able to dodge Raikage's lightning armor, which makes him as fast as lightning. This means that Minato can activate his warp MUCH faster than lightning. This makes Jyuubidara so much faster in attack speed than lightning, that it's not even funny. In fact, since he was able to tag Minato as he warped, it's consistent with him being light speed+ in reaction/combat speed.
You must be thinking of something else entirely, the bending space thing wasn't a special attack.
Mabui never stated such a thing, scans? Hiraishin is teleportation, your not moving at all, its instantaneous. And no, Shunshin is normal high speed movement.
Lol, the Raikage's Lightning armour isn't as fast as real Lightning, its well known that when chakra takes on the form of Lightning that it isn't as fast as real lightning, thats why Kirin was so special. Minato doesn't warp, and nope, Juubidara is not Light speed or even close, ****, you are retarded.


Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, we know because it was blatantly stated outright. Unlike Ichibei's so called "space bending" feat, which you have yet to provide. Air pressure can't bend something like the truth seeking rods, which have tanked mountain range+ attacks EASILY. Gai used Air pressure from his punch to bend space, which bent the rod. That's a monstrous speed feat, surpassing light speed with a punch.
Please keep up, I already went and learned that, and I did indeed provide that 'bending' feat, you just didn't pay attention.
Um......my gosh your so retarded; Gai was only able to move that fast at his absolute fastest, and that was in his last step, he can't move that fast normally in the 8th gate, along with the fact that the feat does not exceed Light speed.



Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
*sigh* You know, sonic booms can be faster than mach 1, right? Their is such a thing as, "the speed of force", which can theoretically surpass light speed, even in real life. This doesn't matter though, as I have absolutely no clue as to what you're talking about with this whole, "Sonic boom" thing. It makes no sense, pal. I already gave the speed of Ichibei and his feat. There's nothing left for you to argue.
A sonic boom means you've just exceeded speed of sound, so nope. You're talking about an entirely different feat, please keep up pal.



Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Killer Bee was faster then Lightning in his first cloak when he out-sped Ay in his lightning armor, which makes him able to move as fast as lightning, and makes his synapses fire as fast as a flash of light.
Yet again, A's lightning armour isn't as fast as real Lightning so nope. A name of an attack doesn't mean anything.


Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're right. Naruto characters are typically much faster than mach thousands. High-tiers, like Kaguya, Naruto, Jyuubidara, Sasuke, etc. are sub relativistic to light speed+.

**** no, Gai was the fastest thing in Naruto, and he was only that fast in his final step. Naruto characters have better reactions then their own speed. Sub relativistic is Mach 8000 bro, Ichibei's faster.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No. Ichibei would get blitzed by any of the high-tiers. Especially the ones with Hiraishin, or other warping.

Hiraishin is not warping, and it only teleports its user, Minato has to actually attack his enemy, and Minato is a heck of a lot slower then Ichibei.
Ichibei is a heck of a lot faster then Naruto chars, besides Gai, Naruto, and Sasuke. Kaguya has great reactions, but she's slower then Kakashi, and Naruto; she can keep up with Sasuke's normal speed, but Sasuke's faster then her with his Rinnegan's space time jutsu.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I never said it was. Lightning transportation is the literal name of his movement technique, "Raiton no Shunshin".
The Raikage's Raiton Shunshin is not as fast as real lightning, its merely chakra taking on the form of lightning. A name of an attack doesn't mean anything.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Warp, teleport, call it what you like.
Its teleport, warp would be in better use for Kamui.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Can't tell what your problem is, tbh.
I don't have one.


Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sure it is, you can move 10 feet at the speed of light and still have moved at lightspeed, the distance is irrelevant unless there's a time frame slapped to it.
Yes, and what's the time frame my friend?


Originally posted by NewGuy01
And yet that distance clearly wasn't 4000km, considering you can still see structures that were a few meters high in the distance. Kubo never draws to scale, he's bad at backgrounds, and yet again, Yhwach was indeed slapped 4000km away the first time. It should be noted that the Royal Realm is bigger then it looks, a lot bigger then it looks.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You're assuming things, we don't have any indicator as to what that time frame was, it's incalculable.
Yhwach wasn't able to even talk or even lift his arm before he was slapped away, that's clearly less then 2 seconds, and Ichibei then proceeded to cross that distance with a single Shunpo, and that's me putting the feat down.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Can you prove that?
Yhwach himself stated that the Soul King was the only one who could escape his vision, it makes sense when you realise that the Soul King is his father and has a better future seeing ability.

Originally posted by NewGuy01


Wait a second! You clearly didn't read the chapter at all.
The first time Ichibei hits Yhwach no background is shown.

Also....
http://i21.mangapanda.com/bleach/605/bleach-5296321.jpg
Just before slapping him away for a second time, Ichibei say's 'Go back another 1000 Ri." This implies that Yhwach was sent back the full 1000 Ri the first time, and no backgrounds are shown, Yhwach stops himself before going the full distance the SECOND time, and the structures are shown for the first time.
Yhwach was sent 4000km away the first time round.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Mmm, no. Going by pixel scaling is the only thing we can do, unless we guess-timate the size of the seireitei. Unless you're saying that Sokyoku hill is several miles high, which by contrast would make most of the buildings in the SS much larger than they've been shown, the meteor could have only been about a mile or two in length, as it was quite a bit smaller(about a fifth the size of) than the seireitei, which is only about the size of a regular town, going by maps provided by cannon. My point is that the Seireitei is about 5-10 miles in diameter, and the meteor was only about a fifth the size of it. That makes it anywhere from 1-2 miles.

The Seireitei is 200 Ri (800km). You should know by now that Kubo can't draw to scale even if his life is on the line.

The Meteor was almost as large as the Seireitei.

Originally posted by Kaldin
The Seireitei is 200 Ri (800km). You should know by now that Kubo can't draw to scale even if his life is on the line.

The Meteor was almost as large as the Seireitei.

Based on what?

Stop trying to call your senseless assumptions a "debate".

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Based on what?

Stop trying to call your senseless assumptions a "debate".

Based on both Fade to Black and Kubo's statement of it taking ten days to get to every gate.
Kubo had a huge hand in the movie, and the statement of it being 200Ri fits.
Remember its meant to be a big city, bigger then Karakura Town which is large enough to hold 100,000 souls.
Don't know where you got assumptions being a debate when you are also assuming things
You are priceless......just priceless.

Originally posted by Kaldin

Based on both Fade to Black and Kubo's statement of it taking ten days to get to every gate.
Kubo had a huge hand in the movie, and the statement of it being 200Ri fits.
Remember its meant to be a big city, bigger then Karakura Town which is large enough to hold 100,000 souls.
Don't know where you got assumptions being a debate when you are also assuming things
You are priceless......just priceless.

LOL, movie-cannon. Kubo didn't even have anything to do with fade to black. No more than Toriyama had to do with Bojack unbound.

And, uh, Kubo didn't state shit. Yoroichi said it would take ten days to reach a gate from another one. And that was as a cat. Not to mention they rested at an inn, and Kukaku shiba's house IN that time. Meaning that they would only be walking a few hours a day, given that Orihime WAS an absolutely regular, base human, by definition. The most you can highball that to is 100 km, and the lowest it can be lowballed to is 5 km. Pretty big difference, huh? Neither are even close to 200 ri, btw.

And um, 100,000 people isn't that many. That's literally 1/84th the amount of people that live in New york, which is only 469 square miles. Converting that to Seireitei, we get that it would be around 5.5 square miles, which fits.

So unless you find a cannon statement on how big it is, you have nothing to go on. I can give calcs for average city size, and come up with 5.5 square miles all day, but you have nothing to go on, other than a movie statement saying it was, "200 spirit miles", wide.

And btw, one last thing. Wtf is a spirit mile? That could be equivalent to meters, for all you know. You only have one statement, from tertiary cannon, and you don't even know what that statement chocks up to, because it's not scalable? To quote a certain idiot, "You are priceless......just priceless.".

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
LOL, movie-cannon. Kubo didn't even have anything to do with fade to black. No more than Toriyama had to do with Bojack unbound.

And, uh, Kubo didn't state shit. Yoroichi said it would take ten days to reach a gate from another one. And that was as a cat. Not to mention they rested at an inn, and Kukaku shiba's house IN that time. Meaning that they would only be walking a few hours a day, given that Orihime WAS an absolutely regular, base human, by definition. The most you can highball that to is 100 km, and the lowest it can be lowballed to is 5 km. Pretty big difference, huh? Neither are even close to 200 ri, btw.

And um, 100,000 people isn't that many. That's literally 1/84th the amount of people that live in New york, which is only 469 square miles. Converting that to Seireitei, we get that it would be around 5.5 square miles, which fits.

So unless you find a cannon statement on how big it is, you have nothing to go on. I can give calcs for average city size, and come up with 5.5 square miles all day, but you have nothing to go on, other than a movie statement saying it was, "200 spirit miles", wide.

And btw, one last thing. Wtf is a spirit mile? That could be equivalent to meters, for all you know. You only have one statement, from tertiary cannon, and you don't even know what that statement chocks up to, because it's not scalable? To quote a certain idiot, "You are priceless......just priceless.".

Sprint Mile is the equivalent to Ri.
Kubo was hugely involved with Fade to Black, a lot more then Akira was with Bojack.
It was also a statement about a canon city, there's no reason why it should be disregarded, especially when you use the ten days statement.
Manga authors (and normal authors) state shit through their characters, haven't you heard of that?
Orihime was a human in a spiritual body, lol.
Also, Kukaku Shiba's house wasn't too far from the gate. Kukaku's house isn't even in the Seireitei or on the gate so it doesn't count anyway.
Karakura Town was the one with a 100 thousand souls, Seireitei has millions in it, Karakura Town would be 5.5 square miles with Seireitei being far larger.
Kubo doesn't draw to scale, I don't know how many times I need to put that into your head, but its the truth.

For instance, lets just say that if Kubo were to come out and say the Seireitei is 500 Ri, would you take his word for it? Or would you look at his Manga and say 'There's no way it can be that big because it doesn't look that big," I'm leaning towards the latter, no one seems to take Kubo's word seriously after all.

This is the same problem that happened with Las Noches, it was clearly intended to be larger then it looked, but people disregard that fact and just say 'It doesn't look that big."

Oh joy, the whole Seireitei size thing is back. Splendid.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Oh joy, the whole Seireitei size thing is back. Splendid.
Lol

Originally posted by Kaldin
Sprint Mile is the equivalent to Ri.
Kubo was hugely involved with Fade to Black, a lot more then Akira was with Bojack.
It was also a statement about a canon city, there's no reason why it should be disregarded, especially when you use the ten days statement.
Manga authors (and normal authors) state shit through their characters, haven't you heard of that?
Orihime was a human in a spiritual body, lol.
Also, Kukaku Shiba's house wasn't too far from the gate. Kukaku's house isn't even in the Seireitei or on the gate so it doesn't count anyway.
Karakura Town was the one with a 100 thousand souls, Seireitei has millions in it, Karakura Town would be 5.5 square miles with Seireitei being far larger.
Kubo doesn't draw to scale, I don't know how many times I need to put that into your head, but its the truth.

For instance, lets just say that if Kubo were to come out and say the Seireitei is 500 Ri, would you take his word for it? Or would you look at his Manga and say 'There's no way it can be that big because it doesn't look that big," I'm leaning towards the latter, no one seems to take Kubo's word seriously after all.

This is the same problem that happened with Las Noches, it was clearly intended to be larger then it looked, but people disregard that fact and just say 'It doesn't look that big."

1. Show me where it was stated. Not that it matters, since spirit miles DON'T EXIST.

2. No, he wasn't. Fade to black, and every other bleach movie was NON-CANNON.

3. Okay, so since Konohamaru was a real character in the Naruto chunnin exam movie, we're supposed to believe that Konohamaru beat Naruto in the chunnin exams DURING A WAR, to become a chunnin? Nah. Movies = non-cannon.

4. Okay, so Kubo didn't say shit. You're just making shit up, because you have no basis for the absolutely retarded argument you're bringing up here.

5. What doesn't count? They were expecting to make it to the next gate within ten days while they were resting at an inn for at least a day, and hanging out at Kukaku's house. They clearly weren't walking the whole time. Just because you dislike something, doesn't make it suddenly "not count". lol

6. What?! Seireitei has nowhere NEAR that many people in it. You don't know the difference between the Soul society, and the Seireitei, do you? That's priceless. And no, the Seireitei was small enough for Kyoraku to flash step out of with a mile-long shunpo. That's from about the center of the Seireitei, at Sokyoku hill. That's also supported by the 5 km thing.

7. Kubo has drawn MAPS of the Seireitei, for the purpose OF scaling.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/ninja_Angel42/Seireitei_by_boomerangmouth-1.png

Are you telling me that THAT is 100 km? That would most of the buildings a square mile or larger. Orihime was supposed to be able to reach one side of this place to another in a few minutes during the Aizen escapade? Are you high?

8. Las Noches was ALSO Town sized. Slightly bigger, but not much.

So again, the Seireitei is about 5 km in diameter. Meaning that its circumference is about 15.7 km, meaning 9.8 miles. So yes, it's small town sized.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. Show me where it was stated. Not that it matters, since spirit miles DON'T EXIST.

2. No, he wasn't. Fade to black, and every other bleach movie was NON-CANNON.

3. Okay, so since Konohamaru was a real character in the Naruto chunnin exam movie, we're supposed to believe that Konohamaru beat Naruto in the chunnin exams DURING A WAR, to become a chunnin? Nah. Movies = non-cannon.
Kubo supervised Fade to Black; Konohamaru is an entirely different matter, we're talking about a movie stating the size of a canon place, not an event that happened in a non canon place.
In Bleach, a spiritual mile is equivalent to a Ri, a Japanese unit of measurement measuring around 3927.27 metres, or 2.44 miles.
Kubo gave his input on the movie, so I think he would have a good idea on the size of a city he created.



Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
4. Okay, so Kubo didn't say shit. You're just making shit up, because you have no basis for the absolutely retarded argument you're bringing up here.

5. What doesn't count? They were expecting to make it to the next gate within ten days while they were resting at an inn for at least a day, and hanging out at Kukaku's house. They clearly weren't walking the whole time. Just because you dislike something, doesn't make it suddenly "not count". lol
Authors say things through their characters; I'm an aspiring Author and I say things through my characters, do you understand?
When were they going to another gate? I don't remember this, scans please.


Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
6. What?! Seireitei has nowhere NEAR that many people in it. You don't know the difference between the Soul society, and the Seireitei, do you? That's priceless. And no, the Seireitei was small enough for Kyoraku to flash step out of with a mile-long shunpo. That's from about the center of the Seireitei, at Sokyoku hill. That's also supported by the 5 km thing.
No, I got mixed up with the Rukongai, sorry.
Kyoraku's flash-step wasn't a mere mile long.



Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
7. Kubo has drawn MAPS of the Seireitei, for the purpose OF scaling.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/ninja_Angel42/Seireitei_by_boomerangmouth-1.png

Are you telling me that THAT is 100 km? That would most of the buildings a square mile or larger. Orihime was supposed to be able to reach one side of this place to another in a few minutes during the Aizen escapade? Are you high?

As Yoruichi stated, it takes about 10 days to walk between each of the four gates.
Ten days to get from one gate to another.
In 10 days, if you walk for 16 hours a day you can walk for 160 hours.
160 hours x 5 km/h = 800 km
That's with 8 hours of sleep.
200 Spirit Miles (Ri) = 800 km.
To put into another perspective, it was also said that the circular wall that protects the Seireitei during emergencies, is meant to also protect the Royal Palace.
http://i32.mangapanda.com/bleach/516/bleach-3698693.jpg

In the Royal Palace, there are five cities that are governed by a Royal Guard and another city right below them and the Soul King's personal palace slapped in the middle. We know in at least one of those cities, there is a sea located within Nimaiya's space.
Hopefully that puts it into prospective for you.
Orihime is admittedly not a normal human.
If it were a mere 9.8 miles then Toshiro's Tenso Jurin would be able to cover almost the entire Seireitei if that were the case. Note that he also did not want to use it out of risk of catching everyone in FKT in the ability's area-of-effect, but he was perfectly fine with whipping it out against Gin, giving a warning to Kira to run until he was more than three ri away from the fight.
Three Ri (7 miles)

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
8. Las Noches was ALSO Town sized. Slightly bigger, but not much.

So again, the Seireitei is about 5 km in diameter. Meaning that its circumference is about 15.7 km, meaning 9.8 miles. So yes, it's small town sized.
Las Noches is a lot bigger than town sized.
Answered this above.

The Seireitei is so large that the thirteenth divisions backyard has mountain ranges in it.
http://starkana.jp/manga-img/151/5498/Bleach-ch230-01.jpg
http://starkana.jp/manga-img/151/5498/Bleach-ch230-02.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TpfZ8kRXzy8/UbF82ttUuCI/AAAAAAAAXe4/oUEFM2ZCR0I/002.jpg?imgmax=3000
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zhr7Mbx7Y24/UbF84ejKTnI/AAAAAAAAXfI/pjYsNJJQSSQ/004.jpg?imgmax=3000

Originally posted by Kaldin
Kubo supervised Fade to Black; Konohamaru is an entirely different matter, we're talking about a movie stating the size of a canon place, not an event that happened in a non canon place.
In Bleach, a spiritual mile is equivalent to a Ri, a Japanese unit of measurement measuring around 3927.27 metres, or 2.44 miles.
Kubo gave his input on the movie, so I think he would have a good idea on the size of a city he created.




Authors say things through their characters; I'm an aspiring Author and I say things through my characters, do you understand?
When were they going to another gate? I don't remember this, scans please.



No, I got mixed up with the Rukongai, sorry.
Kyoraku's flash-step wasn't a mere mile long.





As Yoruichi stated, it takes about 10 days to walk between each of the four gates.
Ten days to get from one gate to another.
In 10 days, if you walk for 16 hours a day you can walk for 160 hours.
160 hours x 5 km/h = 800 km
That's with 8 hours of sleep.
200 Spirit Miles (Ri) = 800 km.
To put into another perspective, it was also said that the circular wall that protects the Seireitei during emergencies, is meant to also protect the Royal Palace.
http://i32.mangapanda.com/bleach/516/bleach-3698693.jpg

In the Royal Palace, there are five cities that are governed by a Royal Guard and another city right below them and the Soul King's personal palace slapped in the middle. We know in at least one of those cities, there is a sea located within Nimaiya's space.
Hopefully that puts it into prospective for you.
Orihime is admittedly not a normal human.
If it were a mere 9.8 miles then Toshiro's Tenso Jurin would be able to cover almost the entire Seireitei if that were the case. Note that he also did not want to use it out of risk of catching everyone in FKT in the ability's area-of-effect, but he was perfectly fine with whipping it out against Gin, giving a warning to Kira to run until he was more than three ri away from the fight.
Three Ri (7 miles)


Las Noches is a lot bigger than town sized.
Answered this above.

Kubo did not supervise Fade to black. That's all there is to it. The movie doesn't even fit into the storyline. Non-cannon, dumb ass.

A spirit mile is a unit of measurement only mentioned in a NON-CANNON movie. Try again.

I don't give a phuck if you're a shitty writer, Kubo stated nothing. Yoroichi, a cat for phuck sake, made a statement on the fly. And again, the statement is vague enough to be interpreted from 5 km, to 100 km. Either way, each time you try and input about the Seireitei's size, you come up with a different number. Stick to your story, or drop it.

Look it up yourself. It was when they were all at an inn, resting, and about to start going to the next gate in the morning. I might post a scan tomorrow, when I'm less tired.

Of course you phucking did, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, Shunsui's shunpo was "one mile", according to Yamamoto himself, who was surprised by how far he could go with one step. This was when Nanao got pwned by Yama's presence, and Shunsui saved her.

AGAIN, STOP COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS. They all rested at a phucking inn for a day. There was no walking at that time. The feat is too vague to scale, unless you lowball, which is what you have to do, considering you sound like an idiot by saying they were doing nothing but walking and sleeping for ten days, when they were sleeping at inn's.

No, the wall just protects the palace. It doesn't stay in the same shape. Why do you think it was falling in hundreds of different pieces, stupid?

Um, no, Orihime is most definitely a normal, phucking, human. She was even behind Tatsuki in track, back then.

Yes, Toshiro's bankai can cover a town. What's your point? All that means is that he could cover the entire seireitei if he wanted to. Yamamoto had to stop his bankai from destroying the entire seireitei, just from being released. Nothing new, pal.

So again, all you've proved is that you're an idiot. You made ten points, and they were all the same point.

Oh, and btw, in that scan, the very next page shows no mountains. I can give the scan tomorrow. And mountains around a town =/= hundred ri town. Do you think Karakura town has mountains INSIDE of it? Are you that dumb?

Seireitei should be about roughly 20km in diameter.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Seireitei should be about roughly 20km in diameter.
Seireitei is far larger than that.
Your one of those pixel scaling guys aren't you.

Mountains so big you can't even see them.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Mountains so big you can't even see them.

Hmm?
The Mountains are inside the Seireitei.

Puny mountains then if a wall and buildings can block them from my view.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Puny mountains then if a wall and buildings can block them from my view.
Did you see my scans?
Also, in the one you gave there were mountains outside the Seireitei wall, but the wall was larger then them.

You and I both know that those walls are not bigger than mountains.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You and I both know that those walls are not bigger than mountains.

By statements Seireitei is country or island sized; my ideas of how things look in Kubo's Manga have gone down, the guy can't draw to scale at all.
In the full view of this:http://i22.mangapanda.com/bleach/546/bleach-4297951.jpg
You see mountains outside the Seireitei wall, and they're smaller than the walls.
And unlike with Ichigo vs Aizen, those are real mountains.

We know that the walls are not mountain size. We have seen Ichigo next to them. Jirobu even lifted a gate the size of those walls.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
We know that the walls are not mountain size. We have seen Ichigo next to them. Jirobu even lifted a gate the size of those walls.

Lol, Kubo is so inconsistent with his drawings, have you forgotten that? One moment Seireitei looks huge and the other it looks small.