PLAN vs IJN

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captainx
inspired zipang anime and Final Countdown

Fleet modern China, accidentally teleported to 1942-1945 era, there will not be any battle Pearl Harbor occurred, no WW2. But China is being occupied by the Japanese, Japanese navy was at the peak of their best. PLAN vs IJN

This scenario does not allow China to carry on Type 094/095 nuclear amerd submarines or any nuclear weapons. The Navy North Sea Fleet will be the main theme of this campaign. And incidentally their opponents may be the 1st Air Fleet (Imperial Japanese Navy), was the world's largest aircraft carrier fleet ever. Liaoning aircraft carrier complete with J-15 (x26) & Z-9/8 (x24). Japanese Fleet everything intact thousands of aircraft, Ki, Zero, warships and submarines as Yamato, I-400....

PLAN fleets:
6 Type 052C
3 Type 052D
24 Type 056
13 Type 053
4 Type 053H2G
10 Type 053H3
24 Type 054A
17 Type 051
2 Type 051C
1 Type 051B
2 Type 052
13 Type 039
2 Type 093
3 Type 091
4 Project 956
1 Aircraft Carrier (26 J-15 + 24 Z-9 ASW/ Z-8 Transport)

Imperial Japanese Navy
warships in World War II

Number of units
Battleships 12
Fleet carriers 15
Light carriers 5
Escort carriers 5
Heavy cruisers 18
Light cruisers 25
Destroyers 169
Submarines 184

Aircraft strength 1941
The IJNAS had over 3,089 aircraft in 1941 and 370 trainers.

1,830 first line aircraft including:
660 fighters, 350 Mitsubishi Zeros
330 Carrier based strike aircraft
240 land based twin engined bombers
520 seaplanes (includes fighters and reconnaissance) and flying boats.

captainx
IJN had overwhelming number PLAN forces, however PLAN had most superior technology

The A6M with the overwhelming number with the ability to carry bombs and torpedoes, sinking may be some of the PLAN warships such as Type 056 (If they get lost and alone. Type 056 is tasked mainly ASW weapons is very little CIWS and SAM armed). But the casualties of aircraft Zero will be very large, China could engage the battleships or the carrier of the IJN, with range over 50 km by Anti-ship missile (YJ-83 - 120km). The Japanese submarines would have difficulty with the modern submarine of China, except larger number. The Type 039A applies technology AIP German motor is extremely quiet. Japan has a resistance WW2 submarine poorly. Them (Exocet's China YJ-62/83, Kh-31A) excess ability to sink the largest warships of IJN such as Shinano aircraft carrier or Battleship Musashi

Z-9C with the ability anti-submarines of the modern era will also contribute to destroy large numbers of Japanese submarines (like B1 type, Type J3), before they attack the PLAN warships (the old ship like Type 051/052/053 less likely effective ASW)

J-15 aka Su-33 made in china, definitely dominate the skies in this scenario, with its aerodynamic even better F / A-18 in air combat (in fact), weapons of it completely beyond understanding pilots JAAF like R-73/77, PL-9/12

And next, the PLAN will destroy the American fleet/USN

For the US fleet at Pearl Harbor or Hawaii, PLAN easily sink them with YJ-62/18/83 (400km, 180km, 300km), however, the number of aircraft F4U, F6F of USN is tens of thousands, they easily overwhelmed the CIWS and SAM on PLAN's warships. PLAN any price to destroy the bases and carrier fleet of USN and IJN first

Omega Vision
The modern PLAN is designed to destroy large surface fleets with barrages of ship-to-ship missiles. The IJN would have no capacity to stop or avoid these missiles. This would be a massive version of Operation Praying Mantis.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The modern PLAN is designed to destroy large surface fleets with barrages of ship-to-ship missiles. The IJN would have no capacity to stop or avoid these missiles. This would be a massive version of Operation Praying Mantis.

More like Operation mass slaughter...

Omega Vision
Well that's what Praying Mantis was. It was basically a demonstration of what happens when a modern air force/navy takes on a traditionally structured navy without adequate air support.

This thread would be interesting if you made it a single squadron of the PLAN vs the entire IJN, but not with the Liaoning--that's overkill.

Even then, that one squadron probably has enough ship-to-ship missiles to annihilate the entire IJN before the Japanese could even get in engagement range.

The IJN's aircraft are so hopelessly outclassed that their only use would be in mass kamikaze waves.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well that's what Praying Mantis was. It was basically a demonstration of what happens when a modern air force/navy takes on a traditionally structured navy without adequate air support.

This thread would be interesting if you made it a single squadron of the PLAN vs the entire IJN, but not with the Liaoning--that's overkill.

Even then, that one squadron probably has enough ship-to-ship missiles to annihilate the entire IJN before the Japanese could even get in engagement range.

The IJN's aircraft are so hopelessly outclassed that their only use would be in mass kamikaze waves.

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captainx
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well that's what Praying Mantis was. It was basically a demonstration of what happens when a modern air force/navy takes on a traditionally structured navy without adequate air support.

This thread would be interesting if you made it a single squadron of the PLAN vs the entire IJN, but not with the Liaoning--that's overkill.

Even then, that one squadron probably has enough ship-to-ship missiles to annihilate the entire IJN before the Japanese could even get in engagement range.

The IJN's aircraft are so hopelessly outclassed that their only use would be in mass kamikaze waves.

Liaoning only 26 J-16 aircraft, surface ships of the fleet China must find and destroy the fleet of Japanese aircraft carriers before they hit the Kamikaze attacks, A6M had a large number up to 10 939 aircraft until 1945, if Japan launched a comprehensive Kamikaze attacks on PLAN, they (PLAN) will really get stuck, but only to identify and kill the carrier, the air base on the island the Japanese occupation.

For vessels of IJN Battleship or Cruisers (When they reach the range of gunboat), PLAN will use the Type 039/093 submarines and Type 054/51/53/52 to protect Liaoning old with modern ships Type 052D / C

Omega Vision
An interesting thread might be a single US fleet circa 1945 with a few carriers and their aircraft, a battleship or two, and a few dozen cruisers and destroyers vs. the combined navies of Germany, France, UK, and Russia circa 1917. The WWI group would probably win by numbers, but it would suffer heavy losses. Taranto proved that a few carrier launched torpedo planes could turn Dreadnoughts to matchwood.

Utrigita
Originally posted by captainx
Liaoning only 26 J-16 aircraft, surface ships of the fleet China must find and destroy the fleet of Japanese aircraft carriers before they hit the Kamikaze attacks, A6M had a large number up to 10 939 aircraft until 1945, if Japan launched a comprehensive Kamikaze attacks on PLAN, they (PLAN) will really get stuck, but only to identify and kill the carrier, the air base on the island the Japanese occupation.

For vessels of IJN Battleship or Cruisers (When they reach the range of gunboat), PLAN will use the Type 039/093 submarines and Type 054/51/53/52 to protect Liaoning old with modern ships Type 052D / C

I just have three things to say. Radar, Sams and gatling guns.

Omega Vision
The PLAN would see the IJN's planes coming hours before they could present a threat. Radar is much, much better today than it was in 1945 when Kamikazes could actually surprise enemy ships.

Those 26 J-16 aircraft are each worth fifty zeroes.

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