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The 3 Beyonders goals are to take out everyone/everything in DCU. Can they succeed?

Their next target is DCNU.

If the DCU is aware of the threat and actively fights back they can have a chance. However, this can only be settled when we learn how these Beyonders are actually defeated.

Hopefully it'll have something to do with Galactus holding a cosmic Captain America shield.

Marvel, make it happen.

What Bentley said, if they do it like they did in Marvel, over a long time, they would come as far as they did right now in Marvel, if the DCU is aware of this threat, the combined power DC stomps them.

I wonder how the Gentry would do against the Ivory Kings.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I wonder how the Gentry would do against the Ivory Kings.

The Gentry are only universal....

I honestly dont think anyone in Dc stands a chance against the beyonders, the presence owns, but nothing else does.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
The Gentry are only universal....

We don't know the full extent of the Gentry's powers. Like the one who actually commands them.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I honestly dont think anyone in Dc stands a chance against the beyonders, the presence owns, but nothing else does.

The higher imps (World's Funnest Mxy and Bat-Mite) could stalemate them. Mxy did destroy the omniverse and with a snap brought it all back again with no problem whatsoever.

Yeah WF Mxy would imo win easily but he was a toonish character. From the "normal" ones, I think that Mandrakk reminds me of those Ivory Kings the most. I could imagine the Miracle Machine to beat them or the Cosmic Armor.

Originally posted by Golgo13
The higher imps (World's Funnest Mxy and Bat-Mite) could stalemate them. Mxy did destroy the omniverse and with a snap brought it all back again with no problem whatsoever.
I honestly think WF Mxy would beat them.

Anyone in DC that's equal to Marvel's TOAA would beat them also.

Everyone else dies.

Originally posted by zopzop
I honestly think WF Mxy would beat them.

Anyone in DC that's equal to Marvel's TOAA would beat them also.

Everyone else dies.

Yeah, Myxy's feat is still the best on panel reality warping feat of all time. He basically erased everything and this was before he was owning many of DC's cosmics like Spectre and Darkseid.

According to Op, Bane-Mite is above Myxy as he was owning a bunch of Imps, including Myxy.

Bane-Mite never fought Mxy. He beat a greatly weakened Bat-Mite and a bunch of other heroes/villains from 'Mite-World', but Mxy wasn't among them.

The parademons will chase them away.

Originally posted by Diesldude
The parademons will chase them away.


No.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
What Bentley said, if they do it like they did in Marvel, over a long time, they would come as far as they did right now in Marvel, if the DCU is aware of this threat, the combined power DC stomps them. That's not what Bentley said, but props on giving DC the win regardless, though

If the 3 Beyonders actually succeed in wiping out the entire Marvel multiverse, I can't see why they wouldn't do the same to the DC multiverse?

Originally posted by Stoic
If the 3 Beyonders actually succeed in wiping out the entire Marvel multiverse, I can't see why they wouldn't do the same to the DC multiverse?

Darkseid Rabum Alal will stop them.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Darkseid Rabum Alal will stop them.

I loled

Originally posted by Golgo13

According to Op, Bane-Mite is above Myxy as he was owning a bunch of Imps, including Myxy.

Don't recall saying that, tbh.

Either way, in the new continuity, nothing short of the Presence can stop them.

Yeah, WF Mxy I think would do it. But as said before he was a kind of special toonish character.

What about guys like Lucifer and Michael? The CA is also an interesting possibility because of the way it works.

So. I just finished reading New Avengers Vol. 3 #30. Right. I'm just going to leave this one to Mr Master since he predicted this before I could even write. I'm out of my league here.

Originally posted by Astner
So. I just finished reading New Avengers Vol. 3 #30. Right. I'm just going to leave this one to Mr Master since he predicted this before I could even write. I'm out of my league here.

He actually predicted it?

Originally posted by Golgo13
We don't know the full extent of the Gentry's powers. Like the one who actually commands them.

You're right, i was just basing it of The Gentry's current showings, which was universal in effect not in Destructive capacity.

Originally posted by Golgo13
The higher imps (World's Funnest Mxy and Bat-Mite) could stalemate them. Mxy did destroy the omniverse and with a snap brought it all back again with no problem whatsoever.

the omniverse?
When galan and Operator posted scans for WF Mxy, i didnt see a mention of the omniverse, but i guess WF Mxy is all upto interpretation and how you argue for it.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yeah WF Mxy would imo win easily but he was a toonish character. From the "normal" ones, I think that Mandrakk reminds me of those Ivory Kings the most. I could imagine the Miracle Machine to beat them or the Cosmic Armor.

CA and Mandrakk dont have the feats to stack up against The Beyonders....:/

Originally posted by operator616
Don't recall saying that, tbh.

Either way, in the new continuity, nothing short of the Presence can stop them.

Ah, sorry. Who do you think can take them in the old continuity?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
You're right, i was just basing it of The Gentry's current showings, which was universal in effect not in Destructive capacity.



the omniverse?
When galan and Operator posted scans for WF Mxy, i didnt see a mention of the omniverse, but i guess WF Mxy is all upto interpretation and how you argue for it.

They destroyed all of creation. Which was an omniverse.

Btw, op and I were discussing Pralaya. If we are to believe her words, she would be above the Presence himself or herself. Justice League Dark.

You're welcome for pointing you to that issue.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're welcome for pointing you to that issue.

Which one? Bane-Mite? I just saw that a few moments ago. On my phone, so I didn't see the entire thread. Thanks as well.

I can't believe they used the tranny friendly version of both genders for God. "Hirself"

Might as well have called God Xir, or Xhe.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
CA and Mandrakk dont have the feats to stack up against The Beyonders....:/

Mandrakk was doing the same thing as those 3 Beyonders, in essence, he also defeated Spectre and Radiant. That's better

I agree with Bran: Mandrakk eats their stories.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Mandrakk was doing the same thing as those 3 Beyonders, in essence, he also defeated Spectre and Radiant. That's better

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

He actually predicted it?
KK (Epi) was the one that made me focus on the detail I overlooked,
but yea,
after I researched the facts thoroughly I realized the BeyonderS were greater than I imagined prior.
Originally posted by Mr Master

This right here is top notch, and elevates the BeyonderS for me.

I can't believe I overlooked this for years.

It's true, the BeyonderS were the final stage, the highest order, the most vast, that Kubik and Kosmos came across:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12003687_BY5.jpg

"All That Is dwindles into insignificance" ... next to the Beyond Realm.

(and that was after they had encountered the LT, who was encompassed by Eternity)

-------------------------------------------

Goodness, the BeyonderS are monsters,
and based on what a "minute bit of their energy" is capable of,
BeyonderS are amazing. I have to re-configure the hierarchy a bit.

The Beyond Realm was the final transcendence!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=565555&pagenumber=1 (about 3 years ago)

Hickman eat your heart out.

Mr.M saw this coming years ago!

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hickman eat your heart out.

Mr.M saw this coming years ago!

No coincidence there, Hickman has been inspired by Mr. Master's cosmology for year

I'd have to give partial credit to TheGodKiller/Epicurus for the precog-call.

Carver is actually Hickman.

Isn't what you wrote just basically saying that the Beyonders are powerful though?

Considering the only things we knew about them were them fueling CCs and having a Beyond Realm... I can't see how that post says much tbh. Especially since it's always been a common page. And I've seen lots of posts many years ago putting them beyond LT.

I don't see the prediction tbh.
I was expecting a post where you predicted they'd wipe out the Cosmics tbh. That would have been something.




I wonder if it's going to be explained how they went hogwild considering they were rather docile in acquiring Counter Earth. Maybe just everything added up and they had enough.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ah, sorry. Who do you think can take them in the old continuity?

Presence and GEB are the only individuals that have the established feats to take them on. WF Mxy maybe too.

Though if we're talking about the combined powers of DCU, im sure there is more than enough to defeat 3 beyonders. For example, imagine Lucifer, Michael, Synnar, all the endless, Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk, ZHP, etc... teaming up? Surely, they can take on those 3 Beyonders. It's just that there aren't any who can take them individually.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Btw, op and I were discussing Pralaya. If we are to believe her words, she would be above the Presence himself or herself. Justice League Dark.

Yeah, though like i said, id better not comment till the story ends. Because things like that (Pralaya being above God) tend to end up being hyperbole.

Still though; she seems to be at least a multiversal abstract form the looks of things. And the multiverse was confirmed to contain infinite universes in the JLD series unlike what Morrison seems to think.

Edit: Now that i think of it though; there are two beings in N52 apart from the Presence that have comparable power. Non (from Phantom Stranger's solo) was implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence and seemed to be well above Stranger/Spectre combined. And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed. Though either way, they don't have feats to confirm, so it's speculation at best.

Originally posted by Galan007

I'd have to give partial credit to TheGodKiller/Epicurus for the precog-call.
I obliged in my post.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Isn't what you wrote just basically saying that the Beyonders are powerful though?

Considering the only things we knew about them were them fueling CCs and having a Beyond Realm... I can't see how that post says much tbh. Especially since it's always been a common page. And I've seen lots of posts many years ago putting them beyond LT.

I don't see the prediction tbh.
I was expecting a post where you predicted they'd wipe out the Cosmics tbh. That would have been something.
I never claimed clairvoyance here good friend. I agree "predicted" is not the proper term.

I rather think I formulated a reasonable theory as to why the BeyonderS were above all. (sans toaa)

It just so happens to have become a fact now.

But imo, in Kaminski's view, (where my "theory" stems from) the BeyonderS were at the top way back then,
while the LT was at the top of everything within Eternity.
Originally posted by Galan007

I wonder if it's going to be explained how they went hogwild considering they were rather docile in acquiring Counter Earth. Maybe just everything added up and they had enough.
Yes, I'm very interested in where this is going.

OK.

Where would you pit a single Beyonder in relation to LT?

Also it seems Doom is going to be a large part of anything Molecule Man does. I have it as those two saving the day. The original Beyonder beating them somehow. Or them teaming up.
One of these most likely. Though it'd have to be plot out the ass.

Ron Howard being some new OC character (and not Beyonder) and eventually beating them probably with help. Maybe he's on the side of good in The Secret Wars.

And way at the bottom with my hopes and dreams is Thanos stopping them. Though Hickman doesn't seem to like Thanos very much. This is based off the end war shown in the Thanos Annual though.

It'd be funny if Franklin and Galactus teamed up and somehow overcame them too. But I doubt he'll copy that.

Wasn't Doom and Owen doing something beforehand that could potentially take down the Beyonders?

It'd be awesome for adult Franklin to make an appearance--even if he doesn't do much. I mean, we already know for sure that he survives this whole incursion calamity, so why not use him..?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Where would you pit a single Beyonder in relation to LT?
I don't have the books, but even Galan's scans can't answer that decisively.

It might've taken 1 longer or perhaps 1 would've lost after a good fight.

Thing is, in those scans, that's all that was left, the LT, since ET/IF and friends got stomped.
So .. they jumped the LT. I can't say for sure. But the one battle scene depicts the LT getting overwhelmed.
Imo,
just cause the LT lasted for a while doesn't mean he was stalemating them, he was probably getting f'd up the entire fight.

Akin to Odin vs Thanos.

We've seen what CCUs and Cube beings can do, and that's supposed to be a little bit of their energy.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Also it seems Doom is going to be a large part of anything Molecule Man does. I have it as those two saving the day. The original Beyonder beating them somehow. Or them teaming up.
One of these most likely. Though it'd have to be plot out the ass.

Ron Howard being some new OC character (and not Beyonder) and eventually beating them probably with help. Maybe he's on the side of good in The Secret Wars.
I don't know what's going on but is Owen involved or being hinted as at-least? Cause that would be nice and make sense.

This is why I felt he should be the one.
Cause if Hickman is using SW history then he should know,
Owen became greater than the abstracts, greater than the LT who got smashed.
(Kaminski also had Owen evolve beyond CCUs, so this idea relates and works)

They defeated LT easily though. One could probably beat him.

All jokes aside those 3 beyonders don't do anything new. They plan, take out the powerhouses of the Universe out, one threat at a time, over a long period of time and take on the most powerful protector of the metaverse at the end (LT), only to be defeated by far less powerful beings, the heroes and a plot device.


It is not different fromwhat Anti-Monitor did in CotIE or what Mandrakk (and Darkseid) did during the FC. I wouldn't place a single Beyonder of those 3 above the Spectre at his best. Though 3 should beat him up like they did with LT. All 3 would fail against the comvined forces of the DCU, except if they take them out one after another, like they did in Marvel.

So it's fair to compare those 3 to AM or Mandrakk at their best, even if all those phucking Marvel zombies doesn't like it. uhuh.

But all i mentioned pale in comparison to what WF Mxy did with a phucking finger snap.

Originally posted by carver9
They defeated LT easily though. One could probably beat him. It was implied to be some great battle. Just because it lasted a page doesn't mean the battle lasted that long too.

Even if so, 3 LTs would certainly ruin one LT in a couple seconds.



Also, Molecule Man and Doom are going through a big adventure right now. Last we saw, Doom showed up Owen.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know what's going on but is Owen involved or being hinted as at-least? Cause that would be nice and make sense. New Avengers #26:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425480_New_Avengers_2013-_026-010.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425484_New_Avengers_2013-_026-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425493_New_Avengers_2013-_026-012.jpg


New Avengers #27:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425496_New_Avengers_2013-_027-016.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425500_New_Avengers_2013-_027-017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425503_New_Avengers_2013-_027-018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425505_New_Avengers_2013-_027-019.jpg


New Avengers #29:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425506_New_Avengers_2013-_029-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425511_New_Avengers_2013-_029-012.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425520_New_Avengers_2013-_029-013.jpg


I'm guessing they'll return in New Avengers #31 with some definitive answers pertaining to Rabum Alal.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
All jokes aside those 3 beyonders don't do anything new. They plan, take out the powerhouses of the Universe out, one threat at a time, over a long period of time and take on the most powerful protector of the metaverse at the end (LT), only to be defeated by far less powerful beings, the heroes and a plot device.


It is not different fromwhat Anti-Monitor did in CotIE or what Mandrakk (and Darkseid) did during the FC. I wouldn't place a single Beyonder of those 3 above the Spectre at his best. Though 3 should beat him up like they did with LT. All 3 would fail against the comvined forces of the DCU, except if they take them out one after another, like they did in Marvel.

So it's fair to compare those 3 to AM or Mandrakk at their best, even if all those phucking Marvel zombies doesn't like it. uhuh.

But all i mentioned pale in comparison to what WF Mxy did with a phucking finger snap.

What are you talking about? They are literally killing 3 abstracts separately.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413529/New_Avengers_2013-_030-020.jpg.html

Using their own power. Same with the Celestials. As shown here, one is handling a group of them and after this, we see one standing over mountains of Celestials.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413523/New_Avengers_2013-_030-016.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? They are literally killing 3 abstracts separately.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413529/New_Avengers_2013-_030-020.jpg.html

Using their own power. Same with the Celestials. As shown here, one is handling a group of them and after this, we see one standing over mountains of Celestials.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413523/New_Avengers_2013-_030-016.jpg.html
They don't fight all of them at once, Celesetials, LT, Abstracts etc.which means one threat at a time. Hope that helps you understand the scans better.

Originally posted by Galan007
New Avengers #26:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425480_New_Avengers_2013-_026-010.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425484_New_Avengers_2013-_026-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425493_New_Avengers_2013-_026-012.jpg


New Avengers #27:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425496_New_Avengers_2013-_027-016.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425500_New_Avengers_2013-_027-017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425503_New_Avengers_2013-_027-018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425505_New_Avengers_2013-_027-019.jpg


New Avengers #29:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425506_New_Avengers_2013-_029-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425511_New_Avengers_2013-_029-012.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425520_New_Avengers_2013-_029-013.jpg


I'm guessing they'll return in New Avengers #31 with some definitive answers pertaining to Rabum Alal. That first part reminded me Adult Val is still out there. And with the connection to the female Swans that Ram Attack has it could mean that Ram Attack could be Val...
Plus the Swans have some crazy tech too. Hmm.

She realized the threat of the Beyonders and started trying not to lose.

To bad the Beyonders didn't do it with a snap of their fingers like Mxy.

Originally posted by Golgo13
To bad the Beyonders didn't do it with a snap of their fingers like Mxy.

They are not that powerful obviously

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They don't fight all of them at once, Celesetials, LT, Abstracts etc.which means one threat at a time. Hope that helps you understand the scans better.

I don't think YOU understand the scans. It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They are not that powerful obviously

It will be incredibly hard to top that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That first part reminded me Adult Val is still out there. And with the connection to the female Swans that Ram Attack has it could mean that Ram Attack could be Val...
Plus the Swans have some crazy tech too. Hmm.

She realized the threat of the Beyonders and started trying not to lose. Which is actually a decent possibility, as Val 'inherited' the Council of Reeds' chamber/dimension at the end of Hickman's run on F4--which was essentially a gateway to ALL universes:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425641_Fantastic_Four_611-022.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425643_Fantastic_Four_611-023.jpg

@Galan, thanx for the scans friend. Owen, the real Owen (not the Sentry losing clown) is back.
Originally posted by carver9

It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which is actually a decent possibility, as Val 'inherited' the Council of Reeds' chamber/dimension at the end of Hickman's run on F4--which was essentially a gateway to ALL universes:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425641_Fantastic_Four_611-022.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/22425643_Fantastic_Four_611-023.jpg This is now my number one guess.

Outside queer Beyonder anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think YOU understand the scans. It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

Dosn't contradicts what I said, one threat at a time, or do you see those 3 fighting all Abstracts+LT+Celestials at the very same time?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This is now my number one guess.

Outside queer Beyonder anyway. It'd actually make sense, as she'd feasibly have the means of accessing/destroying every universe... But I don't know what her motive would be..?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Dosn't contradicts what I said, one threat at a time, or do you see those 3 fighting all Abstracts+LT+Celestials at the very same time?

What I see is them fighting a gang of Abstracts. At one point they fought them individually, then they joined in together and took them out.

As shown here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413526/New_Avengers_2013-_030-018.jpg.html

One took out a group of abstracts....ONE. Then we see 3 taking on 4 Abstracts and killing them. Then they mud stomped LT without showing a sign of injury or fatigued. I don't understand the point you are trying to make here but it seems wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
What I see is them fighting a gang of Abstracts. At one point they fought them individually, then they joined in together and took them out.

As shown here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22413526/New_Avengers_2013-_030-018.jpg.html

One took out a group of abstracts....ONE. Then we see 3 taking on 4 Abstracts and killing them. Then they mud stomped LT without showing a sign of injury or fatigued. I don't understand the point you are trying to make here but it seems wrong.

It is just a true point but it's ok if you don't understand it, that at least explains your rather pointless rambling.

Originally posted by Galan007
It'd actually make sense, as she'd feasibly have the means of accessing/destroying every universe... But I don't know what her motive would be..? Trying not to lose. Maybe she's just trying to make them go away by trying to lower the number of places for them to go.

Or she went mad after being there for a while. Val's always had a bit of a dark side anyway. Just a push in the right direction after a realization and she's full off the deep end. Same thing with Ulti Reed or the alt Reeds really.

I don't know. Though the whole "birth initiated the heat death of a universe" kind of pokes a hole in any known being except the Galactus Seed so meh. Of the known beings I'll go with her.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is just a true point but it's ok if you don't understand it, that at least explains your rather pointless rambling.

Glad you agreed they can take on a gang of Abstracts solo and win?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Trying not to lose. Maybe she's just trying to make them go away by trying to lower the number of places for them to go.

Or she went mad after being there for a while. Val's always had a bit of a dark side anyway. Just a push in the right direction after a realization and she's full off the deep end. Same thing with Ulti Reed or the alt Reeds really.

I don't know. Though the whole "birth initiated the heat death of a universe" kind of pokes a whole in any known being except the Galactus Seed so meh. Of the known beings I'll go with her. If it ends up being the Galactus Seed, I will sue Marvel for stealing my material.

Mickey Mouse will appear with a Keyblade and beat those 3 weaklings. My prediction.

Originally posted by Galan007
If it ends up being the Galactus Seed, I will sue Marvel for stealing my material. The heat death and Galactus' words indicate it.

Yeah, it probably is it. No one else has initiated a heat death on birth and the seed being hasn't been birthed yet on panel.

I haven't been this excited about comics in a long time. Can't wait for the reveal.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The heat death and Galactus' words indicate it.

Yeah, it probably is it. No one else has initiated a heat death on birth and the seed being hasn't been birthed yet on panel.

I haven't been this excited about comics in a long time. Can't wait for the reveal.

It's a shame we have to wait another 2 Weeks. I hope it is unique and not something silly.

As Hickman said that it is something we haven't seen before.

Don't really much about Valerie von Doom, maybe one of the more knowledgable poster can answer.

What has she ever done of note?

Originally posted by Galan007
It'd be awesome for adult Franklin to make an appearance--even if he doesn't do much. I mean, we already know for sure that he survives this whole incursion calamity, so why not use him..?

Well, yes. He will have some important place in the creation of NU Marvel post Secret Wars:

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/secretwars_zpsot9udkoi.jpg

^ I was mainly referring to the events of Avengers #32:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428129_Avengers_2012-_032-004.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428132_Avengers_2012-_032-005.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428134_Avengers_2012-_032-006.jpg


http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428136_Avengers_2012-_032-013.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428137_Avengers_2012-_032-014.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428139_Avengers_2012-_032-015.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428141_Avengers_2012-_032-016.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428143_Avengers_2012-_032-017.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22428144_Avengers_2012-_032-018.jpg

Just saw this:
Originally posted by operator616
And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed. Hmm, I assumed 'The Father' was the Supreme Being/God, as he implied that he created Destiny's Book:
http://i.imgur.com/GApslbH.png


mmm

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Well, yes. He will have some important place in the creation of NU Marvel post Secret Wars:

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/secretwars_zpsot9udkoi.jpg
Franklin is Rabum Alal.

Originally posted by operator616
Presence and GEB are the only individuals that have the established feats to take them on. WF Mxy maybe too.

Though if we're talking about the combined powers of DCU, im sure there is more than enough to defeat 3 beyonders. For example, imagine Lucifer, Michael, Synnar, all the endless, Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk, ZHP, etc... teaming up? Surely, they can take on those 3 Beyonders. It's just that there aren't any who can take them individually.



Yeah, though like i said, id better not comment till the story ends. Because things like that (Pralaya being above God) tend to end up being hyperbole.

Still though; she seems to be at least a multiversal abstract form the looks of things. And the multiverse was confirmed to contain infinite universes in the JLD series unlike what Morrison seems to think.

Edit: Now that i think of it though; there are two beings in N52 apart from the Presence that have comparable power. Non (from Phantom Stranger's solo) was implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence and seemed to be well above Stranger/Spectre combined. And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed. Though either way, they don't have feats to confirm, so it's speculation at best.

Did Non beat Spectre/ phantom stranger? I can't remember.

Didn't Hickman establish Franklin and Galactus were going to be the only 2 left to witness the heat death of the universe? Maybe he'll follow through with that.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Non beat Spectre/ phantom stranger? I can't remember. Non's minions beat/subdued PS and Spectre, but he personally did not. iirc.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Didn't Hickman establish Franklin and Galactus were going to be the only 2 left to witness the heat death of the universe?
http://i.imgur.com/6ygO6Okm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QB5oOn5m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TLPFUfhm.jpg

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Didn't Hickman establish Franklin and Galactus were going to be the only 2 left to witness the heat death of the universe? Maybe he'll follow through with that.

But that would only happen after a billion years.

In avengers plot, things are ending sooner than they should.

Originally posted by Galan007
Non's minions beat/subdued PS and Spectre, but he personally did not. iirc.


http://i.imgur.com/6ygO6Okm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QB5oOn5m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TLPFUfhm.jpg

Nice. Love the art, btw.

Originally posted by Galan007
Non's minions beat/subdued PS and Spectre, but he personally did not. iirc.


http://i.imgur.com/6ygO6Okm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QB5oOn5m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TLPFUfhm.jpg What about Mr. Immortal.

Craig will tank every heat-death Marvel throws at him.

http://i.imgur.com/lzOQCo4m.jpg

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Non beat Spectre/ phantom stranger? I can't remember.

Originally posted by Galan007
Non's minions beat/subdued PS and Spectre, but he personally did not. iirc.


I was under the impression that Non was the one who empowered his minions or at least amped them enough to defeat Spectre/Stranger. Because right after Non left, the duo stomped his minions easily. He was also implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence from what i recall.

Originally posted by operator616
I was under the impression that Non was the one who empowered his minions or at least amped them enough to defeat Spectre/Stranger. Because right after Non left, the duo stomped his minions easily. He was also implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence from what i recall. This is true.

I was just saying that Non himself did not personally show up and beat them--though his power was still responsible for doing so.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Mandrakk was doing the same thing as those 3 Beyonders, in essence, he also defeated Spectre and Radiant. That's better

Unless the Spectre=The living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
KK (Epi) was the one that made me focus on the detail I overlooked,
but yea,
after I researched the facts thoroughly I realized the BeyonderS were greater than I imagined prior.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=565555&pagenumber=1 (about 3 years ago)

The beyonders were previously featured before?

^ This is the first time a Beyonder has physically appeared on panel.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

The beyonders were previously featured before?
Like Galan said. But we did see a piece of one once:

The H.E. only saw an arm of a Beyonder,
and it was enough to drive him insane to the point of killing himself.

The High Evolutionary "witnesses a sight that renders him speechless"

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290218_BeyonderS_awesome2.jpg

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H.E. considers the BeyonderS the pinnacle of the Cosmos,
and uses them as a reference point to what Mankind has to surpass via evolution to rule the Cosmos.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290221_BeyonderS_awesome5.jpg

Kubik's journey also took him to the highest ascension and it was also the home of the Beyonders.

i might be missing something here,but if this is 3 pre-retcon beyonders,D.C dosen`t have a chance!

Oh now I see it is the race of the beyonders,don`t even know enough about them to comment.But they did have to ask eternity if they could let cosmic cubes bleed into his universe.so their power is not infinite!

Originally posted by zom1967
Oh now I see it is the race of the beyonders,don`t even know enough about them to comment.But they did have to ask eternity if they could let cosmic cubes bleed into his universe.so their power is not infinite!

There are levels of infinites in marvel tho.

And what the heck you mean? They just beaten/killed LT AND Eternity right now.

3 Beyonders gets past alot......

Originally posted by Galan007
^ This is the first time a Beyonder has physically appeared on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Like Galan said. But we did see a piece of one once:

The H.E. only saw an arm of a Beyonder,
and it was enough to drive him insane to the point of killing himself.

The High Evolutionary "witnesses a sight that renders him speechless"

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290218_BeyonderS_awesome2.jpg

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

H.E. considers the BeyonderS the pinnacle of the Cosmos,
and uses them as a reference point to what Mankind has to surpass via evolution to rule the Cosmos.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15290221_BeyonderS_awesome5.jpg

Kubik's journey also took him to the highest ascension and it was also the home of the Beyonders.

Imagine the Beyonders are the Future Humans? That will be a Manifold Twist right there.

What about the giant hands which wrestled eternity?

There was actually a What If issue (pertaining the evolutionary war) where the humans evolved to a point where they became more powerful than the Beyonders.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Imagine the Beyonders are the Future Humans? That will be a Manifold Twist right there.

What about the giant hands which wrestled eternity?

The giant hands that wrestled Eternity were the Infinites.

Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
There are levels of infinites in marvel tho.

And what the heck you mean? They just beaten/killed LT AND Eternity right now. I admit I have not read this yet,give me some issue numbers and I will buy them right away!Thank you very much,my friend!

Originally posted by zom1967
I admit I have not read this yet,give me some issue numbers and I will buy them right away!

New Avengers #30 was the issue that this happened in.

Thank you very much,my friend!

Originally posted by operator616

There was actually a What If issue (pertaining the evolutionary war) where the humans evolved to a point where they became more powerful than the Beyonders.
That wouldn't happen to be the first issue of the second volume?

If so, I might've missed that detail.

I recall the humans evolving to a point of becoming a self-sustaining system where they didn't need space-time to exist,
other than that though,
can't remember any evidence of them being more powerful than the Beyonders.

What If v2 #01:
http://i.imgur.com/jxvNeq8.png

I can post the entire scene if you'd like, but that is the pertinent statement op was referring to.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The giant hands that wrestled Eternity were the Infinites.
I wish they tied up that story better or at least had a follow up. I wonder what happened to the other 2 and the 1 that sacrificed itself to heal that world (Any being capable of manhandling Eternity wouldn't be fazed by a little thing like death ).

Superman and the Presence still exist.

The Beyonders DIE!

Originally posted by Galan007
What If v2 #01:

I can post the entire scene if you'd like, but that is the pertinent statement op was referring to.
Thanx good friend but no need.
As I reviewed the issue and found there's no evidence that substantiates that empty claim.

*edit: It's plausible that was the writer's intent in this story come to think of it, but ...
the BeyonderS were not as "wow" at that time as they were later in Kaminski's and now Hickman's portrayal imo.

Originally posted by operator616
There was actually a What If issue (pertaining the evolutionary war) where the humans evolved to a point where they became more powerful than the Beyonders.

No waay........Issue number? no, no forget that, do you have scans?

Im a huge fan of the manifold novel series, so anything with future humans gets me super excited.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The giant hands that wrestled Eternity were the Infinites.

I thought the infinites were the beyonders?

Originally posted by Galan007
What If v2 #01:
http://i.imgur.com/jxvNeq8.png

I can post the entire scene if you'd like, but that is the pertinent statement op was referring to.

Can i have the entire scene?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
No waay........Issue number? no, no forget that, do you have scans?

Im a huge fan of the manifold novel series, so anything with future humans gets me super excited.



I thought the infinites were the beyonders?



Can i have the entire scene?

Nope.

These are the Infinites.

http://i.imgur.com/XYlqb4b.jpg

Marvel has way too many cosmic beings

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Marvel has way too many cosmic beings

To be honest I reckon a few just get a huge amount of pubicity.

Like we don't see Anthropomortho a lot.

Is there any you dislike in particular.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Can i have the entire scene?
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491167_What_If_v2_001-22.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491168_What_If_v2_001-23.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491170_What_If_v2_001-24.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491171_What_If_v2_001-25.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491172_What_If_v2_001-26.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491174_What_If_v2_001-27.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491176_What_If_v2_001-28.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491178_What_If_v2_001-29.jpg

WF MXY and Batmite have a chance.

BTW,I have a question. If Mandrakk is stronger than 3 Beyonders, as many say in this thread, Why is Mandrakk treated below multiversal in many forum?
I have read Final Crisis, so I know his metafictional power. Is it excluded in other forum? I wonder how should I put him. Please teach me.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Marvel has way too many cosmic beings

Agreed, its sure a bore. They rely more on cosmic beings then real comic storys. Shows with this latest Starlin failure. If you cant make a good Thanos vs Hulk what else do you have.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Agreed, its sure a bore. They rely more on cosmic beings then real comic storys. Shows with this latest Starlin failure. If you cant make a good Thanos vs Hulk what else do you have.

The cosmics don't bother me as much as their reliance in alternate universes. If you want to tell stories disregarding continuity, do a proper reboot.

Anyways, it'd be cool if Secret Wars simplified the cosmic structure. Just stick with Galactus, LT and the Celestials and drop everything else.

Who is weakest being in DC that can beat 3 Beyonders at once?

Originally posted by CatL18
Who is weakest being in DC that can beat 3 Beyonders at once?

Batman

He said weakest biscuits

Originally posted by Bentley
He said weakest biscuits

I stand by my answer..Superman would slaughter them to quick.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I stand by my answer..Superman would slaughter them to quick.
Indeed Batman and Superman may be able to defeat them with metafictional protagonist's power

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Agreed, its sure a bore. They rely more on cosmic beings then real comic storys. Shows with this latest Starlin failure. If you cant make a good Thanos vs Hulk what else do you have. they should just stick to the cosmic concept or abstract figures and not just some random "ancient great being/s of power that turn now and then.

As for the Thanos/Hulk comic, yeah it has been a massive disappointment , it seems like he hasn't been allowed for some reason to write the fight he wanted to because the fear of a backlash from Hulk fans. And you can tell the comic is a prelude to the upcoming Thanos novel Infinity Reletivity

Don`t worry ,the original Beyeonder(the one with millions of universes)as his power kills these fake beyonder`s and sets everything right.these fake Beyonders can`t beat the Beyonder or Molecule man, bring them on!

Originally posted by zom1967
Don`t worry ,the original Beyeonder(the one with millions of universes)as his power kills these fake beyonder`s and sets everything right.these fake Beyonders can`t beat the Beyonder or Molecule man, bring them on!

What's with you man?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Nope.

These are the Infinites.

http://i.imgur.com/XYlqb4b.jpg

Thanks for clarifying that.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491167_What_If_v2_001-22.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491168_What_If_v2_001-23.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491170_What_If_v2_001-24.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491171_What_If_v2_001-25.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491172_What_If_v2_001-26.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491174_What_If_v2_001-27.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491176_What_If_v2_001-28.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22491178_What_If_v2_001-29.jpg

Is there anything you dont have?

Galan has such a hardon for WF MXY

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Is there anything you dont have? Not much.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Galan has such a hardon for WF MXY ...Says the troll to the bridge.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Galan has such a hardon for WF MXY Truly disgusting.

Originally posted by Galan007
...Says the troll to the bridge.

...I don't know how to respond to this

Originally posted by krisblaze
...I don't know how to respond to this

Report him, then give him a chance to apologise profusely. You can be merciful, at least.

If he still refuses, then put him on ignore. I've done it, and it is so peaceful now. Especially on Wednesdays.

Originally posted by krisblaze
...I don't know how to respond to this http://gregoutofdebt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/yodafail.jpg

DCU is done