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Who wins?

im not digging the black on black crime here but Wilson gets the chop

rogers would get beat too

Rogers smacked Blade with his Shield once, but Blade was being mind controlled at the time.

Blade wins against Wilson. He cannot win a feat war against Rogers.

bahahah please, how delusional can you be to think that rogers would stand a chance against blade. Blades way stronger, way faster and is a better fighter AND he has better weapons so tell me how Cap wins that fight? o right, "feats" AKA PIS

Rogers has plenty of feats. Enough to stomp Blade.

But this is Falcon, it's much closer.

Originally posted by relentless1
bahahah please, how delusional can you be to think that rogers would stand a chance against blade. Blades way stronger, way faster and is a better fighter AND he has better weapons so tell me how Cap wins that fight? o right, "feats" AKA PIS I'd say Blade is stronger and faster but Cap might be the better fighter.

well they are close enough that Caps skill wont act as any sort of counter to Blades higher physical attributes, either way, Blades stomping a mudhole in a Captain

First, learn of Steve's feats. Then, comment.

Blade's appearances are very limited and unimpressive compared to Cap's.

Originally posted by relentless1
bahahah please, how delusional can you be to think that rogers would stand a chance against blade. Blades way stronger, way faster and is a better fighter AND he has better weapons so tell me how Cap wins that fight? o right, "feats" AKA PIS

This isn't the movie vs thread, pick up a damn comic or at least have a tiny peek at the respective respect threads.

Blade does not have appearances to compete feat to feat with Steve Rogers. Anything blade has done in comics Steve has matched or exceeded. Even ultimate Cap with his limited showings would likely roflstomp Blade on a forum setting. Feats don't mean PIS, if the feats are consistent then they are just part of the character. It's not rocket magic mate, so save the snark, and apply aloe vera to the butthurt.

Cap isn't as strong as vampires as shown when he was physically overpowered by Baron Blood.

Blade has some sick stuff in Mi:13

Almost keeping up with Spitfire and such.

Wilson can't compete with that kind of speed.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Cap isn't as strong as vampires as shown when he was physically overpowered by Baron Blood.

Vampires operate at different strengths depending on the story. Its inconsistent as hell which is why simply claiming Vampire > Super soldier (or enhanced human) is false. Dracula sure is stronger, how about Generic Vampire Thug #1?

Did I mention that Baron Blood was weakened at the time?

Meaning what? If superman is class 100+ and is "weakened" well? what does that statement mean? Does it mean he's merely class 100 now, or 90?

Whats Baron Bloods healthy strength?
What was his strength when he was weakened?
Did he over power steve just so someone else in the plot could make a dramatic rescue?
Have we seen Steve get the better of someone whos physical stat is higher than weakened Baron Blood?
Oh we have..then which feat is consistant?

Factors folks, many many factors. Steves average showings put him above blade on a forum fight.

Originally posted by relentless1
well they are close enough that Caps skill wont act as any sort of counter to Blades higher physical attributes, either way, Blades stomping a mudhole in a Captain

I agree. Disparity is key here. It's like Batman trying to defeat Zealot in unarmed combat.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Meaning what? If superman is class 100+ and is "weakened" well? what does that statement mean? Does it mean he's merely class 100 now, or 90?

Whats Baron Bloods healthy strength?
What was his strength when he was weakened?
Did he over power steve just so someone else in the plot could make a dramatic rescue?
Have we seen Steve get the better of someone whos physical stat is higher than weakened Baron Blood?
Oh we have..then which feat is consistant?

Factors folks, many many factors. Steves average showings put him above blade on a forum fight. Meaning that Cap couldn't handle an average vampires strength(which Blade exeeds)......while the said vampire was weakened. Blade has been stated as having the power and vitality of the most powerful undead. I'm not saying Blade wins but immediately discarding a strength comparison simply because Cap has more feats is kinda retarded.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/volksjager/scansdaliy/DC-260-79F21A299.jpg

Originally posted by Juk3n
Vampires operate at different strengths depending on the story. Its inconsistent as hell which is why simply claiming Vampire > Super soldier (or enhanced human) is false. Dracula sure is stronger, how about Generic Vampire Thug #1? Not as inconsistent as you would think. Vampires aren't hand ninjas. Generic vampires have overpowered a few heroes regularly, including Spiderman and Cage. Their speed has been enough to give Deadpool a challenge as well.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Meaning what? If superman is class 100+ and is "weakened" well? what does that statement mean? Does it mean he's merely class 100 now, or 90?

Whats Baron Bloods healthy strength?
What was his strength when he was weakened?
Did he over power steve just so someone else in the plot could make a dramatic rescue?
Have we seen Steve get the better of someone whos physical stat is higher than weakened Baron Blood?
Oh we have..then which feat is consistant?

Factors folks, many many factors. Steves average showings put him above blade on a forum fight.

A bit disingenuous to say that the average vampire is equivalent to a generic thug, then try to use PIS to explain away generic vampire feats. Cap isn't the only hero this has happened to. The fact that most of Blade's combat feats occur against vampires is definitely a huge plus in his favor, but this is a completely different thread.

Blade is above the average vampire by a large margin anyways and we've seen Cap struggle with a weakened vampire.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/th_Bladestrengths.jpg

Cap may have more showings due to being a more mainstream character, but that doesn't discount Blade's feats considering most of them are high end and put him in a level that can handle a guy like Cap when his "jobber aura" is turned off like it usually is in a forum fight.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Blade is above the average vampire by a large margin

Couldnt overpower wolverine, who by showings is arguably Caps physical equal. Im not intending to ABC here but, context means alot. Cap has a documented history of taking it to high powered super heroes. What is the average strength of a regular vampire? Deadpool level? spiderman level? Luke Cage level? And strength isnt always the factor anyway, Cap isnt beating Hulk in an arm wrestling contest but weve seen him put him on his arse all the same.

^Wolverine Cap's physical equal?

no.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Couldnt overpower wolverine, who by showings is arguably Caps physical equal. Im not intending to ABC here but, context means alot. Cap has a documented history of taking it to high powered super heroes. What is the average strength of a regular vampire? Deadpool level? spiderman level? Luke Cage level? And strength isnt always the factor anyway, Cap isnt beating Hulk in an arm wrestling contest but weve seen him put him on his arse all the same.

everybody so quick to point out pis for batman but when a guy like cap knocks hulk on his ass its just taken as is when bats and cap are very similar in physical stats, all you hypocrites need to wake up and stop hating, start realizing that most of cpas feats are for the story thats being told, nothing more

Originally posted by relentless1
everybody so quick to point out pis for batman but when a guy like cap knocks hulk on his ass its just taken as is when bats and cap are very similar in physical stats, all you hypocrites need to wake up and stop hating, start realizing that most of cpas feats are for the story thats being told, nothing more

Way to miss my point.

Let me clarify, in this thread we've heard "Blade is stronger than most high end vamps"

Blade couldn't overpower Wolverine.

Vampire strength levels are inconsistent and difficult to gauge in respect to the rest of the MU. So using the argument "Blade is physically above Cap because hes a vampire doesnt qualify the statement as true because...

Blade couldn't overpower wolverine.

Cap couldn't overpower Baron Blood, Blade overpowered Deacon Frost(who is a high end vampire).

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Cap couldn't overpower Baron Blood, Blade overpowered Deacon Frost(who is a high end vampire).

Blade over powered his own foe in his own book *gasp

I jest.

How strong is Deacon? How strong is a 'high end vampire'?

LoM, where are you when you are needed?

Originally posted by Juk3n
Blade over powered his own foe in his own book *gasp

I jest.

How strong is Deacon? How strong is a 'high end vampire'? It wasn't in his book, it was the most recent Tomb of Dracula.

I don't know how strong Frost is but Blade overpowered him physically(scan in respect thread). Cap however couldn't overpower a weakened vampire who is lower on the food chain.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
It wasn't in his book, it was the most recent Tomb of Dracula.

I don't know how strong Frost is but Blade overpowered him physically(scan in respect thread). Cap however couldn't overpower a weakened vampire who is lower on the food chain.

Ive seen Frank Castle fight daredevil evenly. Daredevil drop wolverine like a sack of tatoes. Wolverine fight omega-red for 18 hours straight. Frank Castle cant drop wolverine for anything like a majority. Its about consistency.

Have we seen Cap defeat stronger opponents than himself?

Who were they?

How do they physically compare to Baron Blood?

All ive got so far is one strong vampire defeated another strong vampire. And no ones said how strong a vampire is aside from that time a vampire got the better of steve rogers. Well Wolverines beaten Blade and Caps beaten wolverine so neener neener. Seriously lets talk numbers and consistency or just dont talk.

I'm not saying Blade wins a fight. Just that he's easily as strong as Cap if not stronger.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Couldnt overpower wolverine, who by showings is arguably Caps physical equal. Im not intending to ABC here but, context means alot. Cap has a documented history of taking it to high powered super heroes. What is the average strength of a regular vampire? Deadpool level? spiderman level? Luke Cage level? And strength isnt always the factor anyway, Cap isnt beating Hulk in an arm wrestling contest but weve seen him put him on his arse all the same. He didn't NOT overpower Wolverine. He wanted to use the vial.

We're not quantifying the strength of a base level vampire, that varies like wild. The general point is that feats performed against generic vampires (and in gischler's stories, depends on the sect) are more impressive than feats performed against generic ninjas or soldiers.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Blade over powered his own foe in his own book *gasp

I jest.

How strong is Deacon? How strong is a 'high end vampire'? A high end vampire is usually bullet proof/bullet timer. Usually dispatches heroes easily. Deacon Frost is nearly Dracula level.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Ive seen Frank Castle fight daredevil evenly. Daredevil drop wolverine like a sack of tatoes. Wolverine fight omega-red for 18 hours straight. Frank Castle cant drop wolverine for anything like a majority. Its about consistency.

Have we seen Cap defeat stronger opponents than himself?

Who were they?

How do they physically compare to Baron Blood?

All ive got so far is one strong vampire defeated another strong vampire. And no ones said how strong a vampire is aside from that time a vampire got the better of steve rogers. Well Wolverines beaten Blade and Caps beaten wolverine so neener neener. Seriously lets talk numbers and consistency or just dont talk.

Wolverine's never beaten Blade. Blade HAS beaten a vampire lord Wolverine before easily.

Cap is stronger than Blade. Don't be silly by using this ABC comparison.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap is stronger than Blade. .



dont be daft, Blade is a tonner, Cap is an enhanced human; less tha half of that so give your head a shake before you speak bud

Originally posted by relentless1


dont be daft, Blade is a tonner, Cap is an enhanced human; less tha half of that so give your head a shake before you speak bud
Wut? Are we counting out years worth of feats because of the description of Cap's powers?

facepalm

feats = PIS most of the time, esopecially for somebody like Cap

So just because you don't like it, it is PIS? Yeah, that's not gonna work.

no, when a guy thats a peak/ enhanced human is able to effectively fight off tonners and multi tonners thats PIS

There is this thing called averages. Look it up.

And Cap has done it for decades. How many feats are you going to discard?

LOL Caps whole comic book career must be PIS

Cap IS PIS, duh.

Originally posted by relentless1


dont be daft, Blade is a tonner, Cap is an enhanced human; less tha half of that so give your head a shake before you speak bud

Read a book you lunatic, the days of peak>enhanced>meta>super are all but gone, and some characters blur the line. Cap is one of these characters, he's got shit load of +tonner feats, he is certified. For ****sake he CURLS 1000lbs, whens the last time your Curl exceeded your bench?

I don't know how you think comic vs boards operate, but reading the description of what a character can do off the back of a card is NOT an accurate way to gauge his abilities. If a character has been lifting +1 ton for 20 years and can currently do so, he's a tonner, it doesn't matter what their 'label' is at marvel HQ. Comic feats > character bios, always has been.

Wait, relentless, aren't you a staunch Batman supporter?

Originally posted by Trackz
A high end vampire is usually bullet timer. Usually dispatches heroes easily.

So daredevil or cassie cain level then?

I jest!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Are we counting out years worth of feats because of the description of Cap's powers?

facepalm Strength is ambiguous in this case. Both of them have feats that put them well over what they should be (i.e., Blade restraining then lifting a demon god larger than an elephant, tearing off a vampires head with one hand). Strength isn't going to be a difference maker in this fight since neither of them really grapple all that much. The thing with this fight is that Cap and Blade could be completely equal in all stats, and the fight would go to Blade purely because of his healing and his weaponry.

Captain wins, everyone who disagree's should cry more about it.

Nobody is actually arguing that Falcon Cap will win are they?