How to fight ISIS - What do you Think?

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Darth Truculent
Many disagree with the thought of sending in ground troops. Why not hire companies like Blackwater, Tiger Swan, Infinity, Craft Intl. etc ec. Virtually all of their "employees" are ex-military special forces. I believe they would kick ISIS ass. Thoughts anyone?

Robtard
Because it would likely be cheaper to send in the US Marines.

Marines make what, $50K a year on average? The "contrators" (aka mercenaries) make $50k a week at times, depending on the job.

Lord Lucien
Sending in a bunch of guys to "fix" the situation... yeah that always works.

Star428
As opposed to just standing idly by and looking the other way while they keep beheading and burning people alive, right?

Time Immemorial
According to Obama we need to give them "jobs"

Yes thats American tax payers job. Give them jobs...

Robtard
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
According to Obama we need to give them "jobs"

Yes thats American tax payers job. Give them jobs...

Now did Obama actually say exactly that, or did he say something like "have the rebuild Iraq" and you're just doing a "Deh tuk errr jebbs!" thing cos you hate the man?

krisblaze
How? Murricah or any large nation just needs to get off their asses and finish it.

But Isis is the perfect media enemy. They look different, hate the west and have no real political traction. Why the **** would any government want Isis gone?

Mindset
Why doesn't KMC pool its forces together and wipe ISIS out?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Star428
As opposed to just standing idly by and looking the other way while they keep beheading and burning people alive, right?
I don't think anyone argues that ISIS needs to be stopped. The problem is one of "give a man a fish, feed him for a day."

Basically, we defeated Islamic extremists in Iraq once. We left behind what we thought was a stable Iraqi nation only to find that three years later it all fell apart.

If foreign intervention defeats ISIS, it will only be a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. To prevent groups like ISIS from coming to power in the future, only the Middle Eastern nations themselves can make the difference. They'll all need to stop funding and supporting non-state groups for their own strategic interests. They'll also need to do more to enfranchise and protect minorities. This is especially important in nations like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, and Bahrain, where the political hierarchy is determined by religious sect, and minorities are oppressed by the majorities (or, in Syria and Bahrain's cases) the majorities are oppressed by the minorities.

These aren't issues that will go away, and honestly they aren't anything that Western nations can fix unilaterally.

Robtard
Originally posted by Mindset
Why doesn't KMC pool its forces together and wipe ISIS out?

Because half of KMC are terrorist sympathizers.

eg that Omega Vision, he jerks off to terrorist porn and thereby hates America and Jews or something

Tzeentch
Originally posted by Star428
As opposed to just standing idly by and looking the other way while they keep beheading and burning people alive, right? Well that's what we're doing with Saudi Arabia, isn't it?

Robtard
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Well that's what we're doing with Saudi Arabia, isn't it?

Actually, it isn't. The US actively ignores that Saudi Arabia beheads 3-4 people each day on average, that women are treated like little more than property and is one of the (if not they) top human rights violators on the planet.

With terrorist groups like ISIS and "evil" countries like N. Korea, the US in the very least points an accusatory finger while condemning such actions

Tzeentch
Ah, right. I stand corrected. thumb up

Nibedicus
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, it isn't. The US actively ignores that Saudi Arabia beheads 3-4 people each day on average, that women are treated like little more than property and is one of the (if not they) top human rights violators on the planet.

With terrorist groups like ISIS and "evil" countries like N. Korea, the US in the very least points an accusatory finger while condemning such actions

Isn't it more like 1 every 3-4 days and not vice versa? Still appalling but at least not a thou a year.

68 last year and 79 in 2013.

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-beheadings-saudi-punishments-difference-clear-n296876

Robtard
Meh, could have mixed it up. Saudi's not so bad then

jaden101
If you want to effectively fight ISIS without sending in your own troops then you have to back those who are financially and militarily. That means Syria and Iran. Given that we're doing the exact opposite of that then there's not much hope on that front. So if not that then you have to weaken ISIS funding streams by pressuring and sanctioning the countries that are either directly funding ISIS or are allowing their wealthy citizens to do so, countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and UAE. Given that we're doing the exact opposite of that as well then there doesn't seem much hope of doing anything constructive to fight them. Given that the west can't fight them ideologically on the basis of it risking having the opposite effect then it has to be militarily which the west doesn't have the stomach for cos of 'war weariness' then financially is the best option. Get those useless bankers that are owe the world big time to start doing something ethically decent for once.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by jaden101
If you want to effectively fight ISIS without sending in your own troops then you have to back those who are financially and militarily. That means Syria and Iran. Given that we're doing the exact opposite of that then there's not much hope on that front. So if not that then you have to weaken ISIS funding streams by pressuring and sanctioning the countries that are either directly funding ISIS or are allowing their wealthy citizens to do so, countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and UAE. Given that we're doing the exact opposite of that as well then there doesn't seem much hope of doing anything constructive to fight them. Given that the west can't fight them ideologically on the basis of it risking having the opposite effect then it has to be militarily which the west doesn't have the stomach for cos of 'war weariness' then financially is the best option. Get those useless bankers that are owe the world big time to start doing something ethically decent for once.
But Syria hasn't been fighting ISIS. Syria has basically ignored ISIS up till now and given them a wide berth so that ISIS would (1) destroy the original rebel opposition and (2) serve as a boogeyman to Western nations and prove the point that Al-Assad was making from the beginning, that his enemies were all just crazy terrorists. Apart from that, when the Syrian Army actually does confront ISIS, they do a pretty terrible job of it and generally come out more bloodied than ISIS.

There's actually a growing protest movement within Al-Assad's own Alawite sect that's accusing the Syrian Government of doing nothing against ISIS because of the army's fear of actually having to fight a competent opponent, and they're probably right.

jaden101
They wouldn't be useless at fighting ISIS if we never helped weaken them. The deal is basically...Syria are cvnts. ISIS are cvnts. Who's the bigger cvnts? Pick a side. Instead we find ourselves in a ridiculous situation of trying to fight ISIS without helping the Syrian regime. It ends in half measures and clearly isn't effective militarily, financially or ideologically.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by jaden101
They wouldn't be useless at fighting ISIS if we never helped weaken them. The deal is basically...Syria are cvnts. ISIS are cvnts. Who's the bigger cvnts? Pick a side. Instead we find ourselves in a ridiculous situation of trying to fight ISIS without helping the Syrian regime. It ends in half measures and clearly isn't effective militarily, financially or ideologically.
We didn't do much to weaken them. The amount of aid actually given to Anti-Assad rebels has been paltry so far. The Syrian Army is weak because it's a primarily conscript force that was never trained or equipped to fight a mobile enemy. They've lost something like 20% of their tanks in the last two years because they still haven't learned that tanks need to be supported by infantry in urban engagements.

As for "picking a side," I don't think you understand that siding with Al-Assad, apart from not being a viable strategy for defeating ISIS, would also make enemies of basically the entire Sunni population of the Middle East. That would be taking a big problem and making it even bigger.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Mindset
Why doesn't KMC pool its forces together and wipe ISIS out? We'll dive in from the air with lightsabers in hand, then, after years of being gone, Raz jumps down like Yoda and creates a shockwave, knocking all of ISIS onto its knees.

Mindset
Originally posted by Jmanghan
We'll dive in from the air with lightsabers in hand, then, after years of being gone, Raz jumps down like Yoda and creates a shockwave, knocking all of ISIS onto its knees. Because he's a fatass?

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Mindset
Because he's a fatass? LOL!

Star428
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Well that's what we're doing with Saudi Arabia, isn't it?



As far as I know, the Saudis only do that to their own people and they keep it in their own sovereign country unlike ISIS who think that they can just get away with killing whoever they want wherever they want. Big difference. Especially since Americans have been among those killed which makes it personal for us.

FinalAnswer
Does that make it alright?

Star428
Of course not but Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation (unlike ISIS) and we can't just go and invade whoever we want whenever we feel like it just because we don't agree with how they live without suffering severe repercussions from the international community. If the UN approved of it then it might be ok but otherwise not a good idea.

Nibedicus
Sometimes I think a "military exchange" program would do the US some good.

Have old time ally countries with who have a numerous/decent amount of ground troops but poor tech be trained and be armed with US old tech (w/c is still pretty high tech to these countries) and then deployed to these countries for a limited (but goal based) engagement. Then, in exchange, receive considerable aid in the form of military hardware. Third worlds that are known to be friendly to the US with a sizable but poorly-geared military.

Solves the "no troops on the ground" problem as well as the "let's not arm potential future enemies" problem, lower costs as well as help out known allies (who have a good record with being an ally to the US) with better tech to solve their own military problems. The Philippines come to mind. Lol.

Just spitballing, tho. Not sure if it sounds at all absurd... :-p

jaden101
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Sometimes I think a "military exchange" program would do the US some good.

Have old time ally countries with who have a numerous/decent amount of ground troops but poor tech be trained and be armed with US old tech (w/c is still pretty high tech to these countries) and then deployed to these countries for a limited (but goal based) engagement. Then, in exchange, receive considerable aid in the form of military hardware. Third worlds that are known to be friendly to the US with a sizable but poorly-geared military.

Solves the "no troops on the ground" problem as well as the "let's not arm potential future enemies" problem, lower costs as well as help out known allies (who have a good record with being an ally to the US) with better tech to solve their own military problems. The Philippines come to mind. Lol.

Just spitballing, tho. Not sure if it sounds at all absurd... :-p

So basically you're saying that 'third world' human lives are worth less than westerners?

Nice.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by jaden101
So basically you're saying that 'third world' human lives are worth less than westerners?

Nice.

Wow. Nowhere did I say that. But thanks for thinking that way.

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jaden101
I don't believe you, racist.

Nibedicus
Dafuq.... You're trolling me aren't you? :-/

jinXed by JaNx
I think the only way the world can really beat ISIS is if we all come together and start calling them bad names. If that doesn't work then i suggest giving them the silent treatment or even removing them from the Christmas card list.

jaden101
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dafuq.... You're trolling me aren't you? :-/

http://i.imgur.com/GhuqW4M.jpg

Robtard
Who the **** stole the hounds hair and beard!?

jaden101
Originally posted by Robtard
Who the **** stole the hounds hair and beard!?

NicholARSE Angle.

Robtard
Oh ****, didn't realize The Hound was in that

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