Thing vs Juggernaut(Depowered)

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juggernaut74
Cain as he was when he wasn't at full-power such as his tenures with the X-Men, Excalibur, and the Thunderbolts. Who wins?

KingD19
Thunderbolts Cain should win every encounter.

Huggernaut(X-Men) would give Thing a helluva fight, but I see them being more on equal ground with each taking wins.

I'm not too familiar with his Excalibur feats.

juggernaut74
I've heard people say he was at his weakest during his Excalibur days but he did decent against WWHulk. Landed a good punch and took 3 hard shots before going down, Ben iirc was one-shotted against WWHulk.

Sin I AM
Bens' strength got downplayed during wwh. Id take that arc with a grain of salt. However he does seem more durable than Marko. Kinda indecisive. Any recent feats of thing i should know about

Branlor Swift
Excalibur was his absolute weakest besides one off Juggernauts.

X-Men he was stronger while still nothing much. Sasquatch in his suit for example laid a beating on him.

Thunderbolts was stated to be depowered as well. However he seemed a lot more durable and stronger. I'd be willing to bet he was probably as powerful as X-Men and Excalibur Juggs combined.

Juggernaut in Exiles was just a shade under Classic. With the only real noticable difference being he had trouble healing. Other than that his strength and durability seemed up to par.

One offs like Rogue depowering him, Beast aging him, and Black Tom taking half his power are other examples. Though the half power one he seemed more than X-Men Juggs in the short time we saw him if you want to base his power on that.

juggernaut74
I'd say the Juggernaut in the Amazing X-Men arc must be Thunderbolts level judging by the damage he was doing to Colossus and how easily he broke out of Icemans ice. He also punched Man-Killer(Class 75) through the roof and into the next time zone.

Branlor Swift
Yeah. He seems pretty tough. If not Thunderbolts, it can't be too far off unless something changes next issue.

Though it'll be hard to compete with his Thor/Hype fights from Thunderbolts for sure, but it's not like he's been losing.

X-Men Juggs for example was getting the shaft from Iceman's ice if you want a contrast.

Stoic
If his level of strength were static when he was reduced in power I would give Ben the easy win. I am comparing his performance against the Wrecking Crew versus Ben's. Again this really depends on if he was consistently being portrayed at the same level stat wise, or if he had good and bad days. For now Ben beats him silly.

riv6672
While i'd love to say Ben across the board, the fluctuating power levels are making it difficult.

Bentley
Ben wins after a good fight or Ben stomps. Depending on fluctuating powerlevels thumb up

riv6672
Really? Ben, then.

KingD19
Ben definitely wouldn't win against Thundernaut.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Bens' strength got downplayed during wwh. Id take that arc with a grain of salt. However he does seem more durable than Marko. Kinda indecisive. Any recent feats of thing i should know about

How did his strength get downplayed?

riv6672
Originally posted by carver9
How did his strength get downplayed?
Considering how WWH was being portrayed, this seems about right. Damn fine hits on Ben's part, actually.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4214237-1619799840-17712.jpg

carver9
I know. I was asking Sin because she hates WWH...hates him with a passion. So I wanted to see what she was going to come up with since she thinks everything about WWH was PIS. I agree with you though, what happened was legit. Ben punch did better than most though. Thanks for the scan riv.

DarkSaint85
Was gonna say, using the WWH arc isn't saying much - Hulk SHOULD be above Ben, and no holding back, should crush him. same with Colossus and any other strong men that he fought. Hulk is another level to those two, and he beat the guys he was supposed to beat.

juggernaut74
When Ben and Sasquatch fought back in the day Sasquatch was his superior, when Sasquatch and Cain fought they looked pretty even. And in that WWHulk example Hulk just got his with a nova blast from Human Torch so that may have softened him up a bit. And to be honest that strike didn't look any better than the one Cain landed on WWHulk. Ben didn't even turn Hulks head with that punch, Cain however did with his.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by riv6672
Considering how WWH was being portrayed, this seems about right. Damn fine hits on Ben's part, actually.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4214237-1619799840-17712.jpg Cain's punch looks just as effective if not more.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/kopilit/World_War_Hulk_-_X-Men_002_021.jpg

riv6672
Well of course YOU'D say that. stick out tongue

Going just by the art, Be's looked way cooler. But thats not the point here.

StiltmanFTW
No, Cain's punch really doesn't look more effective. Especially if we compare it with the first shot Ben's landed.

To be fair, Hulk just surivived HT's nova attack mixed with Storm's lightning, so it was probably easier to injure him, IMO.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, Cain's punch really doesn't look more effective. Especially if we compare it with the first shot Ben's landed.

To be fair, Hulk just surivived HT's nova attack mixed with Storm's lightning, so it was probably easier to injure him, IMO. Well Cain turned Hulks head with his punch and he spat out blood, when Ben punched him his head didn't move. And as you noted when Ben punched him Hulk was hit with a nova blast, he was still smoking when Ben punched him.

StiltmanFTW
It did move, just not the scan riv posted.

Ben landed more hits, Juggs took more. This can be pretty even fight.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It did move, just not the scan riv posted.

Ben landed more hits, Juggs took more. This can be pretty even fight. Yea you're right there is a scan missing.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by juggernaut74
When Ben and Sasquatch fought back in the day Sasquatch was his superior, when Sasquatch and Cain fought they looked pretty even. And in that WWHulk example Hulk just got his with a nova blast from Human Torch so that may have softened him up a bit. And to be honest that strike didn't look any better than the one Cain landed on WWHulk. Ben didn't even turn Hulks head with that punch, Cain however did with his.


I'm not sure what comic you were looking at but, in 2in1 #83 they were no worse than equals during the fight, in 2in1 Annual #7 Sasquatch got demolished immediately by the Champion and we all know that Ben went multiple rounds and broke Champions ribs, in the Infinity Crusade Walter practically sh!t his fur when Ben put his hands on him. And Ben didn't turn WWH's head because he punched straight in his face...

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Tony Stark
I'm not sure what comic you were looking at but, in 2in1 #83 they were no worse than equals during the fight, in 2in1 Annual #7 Sasquatch got demolished immediately by the Champion and we all know that Ben went multiple rounds and broke Champions ribs, in the Infinity Crusade Walter practically sh!t his fur when Ben put his hands on him. And Ben didn't turn WWH's head because he punched him straight in his face...

juggernaut74
Ben admits he's out matched against Sasquatch though:


1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72641_vgrim1.jpg
2. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72648_vgrim2.jpg
3. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72652_vgrim3.jpg
4. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72657_vgrim4.jpg
5. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72661_vgrim5.jpg
6. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72666_vgrim6.jpg

Cain was more than holding his own against Sasquatch:

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p20.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p21.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p22-23.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p24.jpg
5. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p25.jpg
6. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p26.jpg
7. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p29.jpg
8. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p31.jpg
9. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p33.jpg
10. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p34.jpg
11. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p35.jpg
12. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p36.jpg
13. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p38.jpg

riv6672
Ben's a midest guy.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Ben admits he's out matched against Sasquatch though:


1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72641_vgrim1.jpg
2. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72648_vgrim2.jpg
3. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72652_vgrim3.jpg
4. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72657_vgrim4.jpg
5. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72661_vgrim5.jpg
6. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/72666_vgrim6.jpg

Cain was more than holding his own against Sasquatch:

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p20.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p21.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p22-23.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p24.jpg
5. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p25.jpg
6. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p26.jpg
7. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p29.jpg
8. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p31.jpg
9. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p33.jpg
10. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p34.jpg
11. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p35.jpg
12. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p36.jpg
13. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/p38.jpg



Sassy wanted to quit in his fight with Ben because he knew he couldn't win...

riv6672
Heh heh.

juggernaut74
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Sassy wanted to quit in his fight with Ben because he knew he couldn't win... Where does he say that?

riv6672
It was implied...

juggernaut74
Where exactly did Sasquatch imply that he couldn't beat Thing?

-K-M-
In fact it was implied sasquatch ko'Ed thing half way in the fight

http://s55.photobucket.com/user/A_Flight9/media/72657_vgrim4.jpg.html

He Hit thing a good distance in the forest. Believing it's over walter casually walks to Him and thing was still down by the time walter got to him. He recovered for sure, but he wasn't playing possum hence the "for long moments" comment he was down for a long period

juggernaut74
You can argue Ben was kayoed for sure.

KingD19
Especially since Ben is the type of guy to never back down and to always keep fighting. If he was awake or capable of getting up, he would have been on his feet before Sassie got to him.

riv6672
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Where exactly did Sasquatch imply that he couldn't beat Thing?
I was joking...erm

juggernaut74
Funny.

riv6672
Obviously. no

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