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Juggernaut and Black Bolt are standing 50 ft apart from each other in an indestructible area and Juggernaut is told that he can be stopped by a voice from an extremely powerful character. Black Bolt is told that Juggernaut intentions is to kill the Inhumans and the only way he can be stopped is with the full force of his scream.

Can Jugs make it to Black Bolt by powering through his scream or will BB drop him?

2nd question, can he tank said attack?

Remember that time Juggernaut got KO'ed by Nimrod?

Yes he can get to BB and yes.

Juggernaut tanks and reaches Black Bolt

Hard to say...really depends on where u place juggernauts durability on average and what emotional level and physical level black bolt is at. His scream seems to depend on that

He may be initially launched, but I don't think that it would hurt him too much if at all. Reaching him is another story, the ground beneath his feet would probably give way. Given time? Yes, he'd be able to make it to BB.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Remember that time Juggernaut got KO'ed by Nimrod? Does BB powers operate like a sonic attack though?

Originally posted by Mindset
Does BB powers operate like a sonic attack though?

Quasi sonic? Comic book speak for who knows. It may affect him like nimrod did but i wouldn't bet on it. Even similar powers have distinct differences. Honestly even if the ground gave way beneath his feet he should still move forward..magic and all that jazz

Per the OP everything the area is indestructible.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Quasi sonic? Comic book speak for who knows. It may affect him like nimrod did but i wouldn't bet on it. Even similar powers have distinct differences. Honestly even if the ground gave way beneath his feet he should still move forward..magic and all that jazz

He was unstoppable. not immovable. There have been more times in his history that he's been launched, than there have been that he's walked on air. I've never believed that Nimrod should have been able to hurt Cain in the slightest, because he's gone through worse, but there it was. Like you said though, BB's powers may not be the same thing. Then you have the force field versus none being there argument.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was unstoppable. not immovable. There have been more times in his history that he's been launched, than there have been that he's walked on air. I've never believed that Nimrod should have been able to hurt Cain in the slightest, because he's gone through worse, but there it was. Like you said though, BB's powers may not be the same thing. Then you have the force field versus none being there argument.

Force field argument is pretty lame imo. It's not something he uses like ever

Originally posted by juggerman
Juggernaut tanks and reaches Black Bolt

This

I remember Nimrod handling him with not much problem.He trulley beat juggs.Blackbolts scream full power would never make it to Juggs it would destroy anything under them.So BlackBolt wins by B.F.R.He winds up flouting in space or something.

Nimrod's attack was a specific frquency that made it impossible for Juggernaut's nerves to leave his brain or some shit like that. It wasn't just a very loud noise....

So we have a very specific, obviously prepped Nimrod attack, the indestructible environment not fully taken into account when discussing Juggernaut's ability to reach BB...still picking J over BB.

I don't see BB taking this either.

I'm sure he could pull off some shenanigans with his powers, but if we're talking a straight up

Juggernaut charge vs Bolt scream, then I take the J-Man.

Juggs walks right through BB's scream...

Juggs easily. Juggs laughs and doesn't feel a thing

Originally posted by Mindset
Does BB powers operate like a sonic attack though?

No.

And even if it did, it was the specific frequency that put Cain down in the Nimrod instance.

Cain should be able to tank the scream.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Nimrod's attack was a specific frquency that made it impossible for Juggernaut's nerves to leave his brain or some shit like that. It wasn't just a very loud noise.... Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No.

And even if it did, it was the specific frequency that put Cain down in the Nimrod instance.

Cain should be able to tank the scream.

No it wasn't. It was just a high frequency sonic. And it was due to the pain it generated, not due to some nerve shit or some special attack.
Even though it was in lesser quantities, it was hitting the others surrounding and they said it hurts worse than a headache while moving and functioning. It was not a special attack tailor made for Juggernaut. it was just a powerful sonic.

Essentially, Juggernaut got KO'ed by pain by sound

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Which besides the initial damaging aspect of it, BB's voice seems to put out a heavy sound aspect considering the ringing in Hulk's ears KO's him.
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Hulk who's shown much better resistance to sonic attacks than Juggernaut.

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^I was thinking about this.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No it wasn't. It was just a high frequency sonic. And it was due to the pain it generated, not due to some nerve shit or some special attack.
Even though it was in lesser quantities, it was hitting the others surrounding and they said it hurts worse than a headache while moving and functioning. It was not a special attack tailor made for Juggernaut. it was just a powerful sonic.

Essentially, Juggernaut got KO'ed by pain by sound

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3030448-1397352-uncanny_x_men_194___17_super.jpg

Which besides the initial damaging aspect of it, BB's voice seems to put out a heavy sound aspect considering the ringing in Hulk's ears KO's him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/29361/671478-ashley.jpg

Hulk who's shown much better resistance to sonic attacks than Juggernaut.

It wasn't a high frequency sonic. Nimrod just stopped neural impulses going to Juggs brain.

He was around for the whole time unitl that one moment.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot


V. Fights.

So here it is what you've been waiting for Nimrods battles. Remember as I said I will give a description of each battle after the scams as it is critical in relation to Nimrod.

Nimrod vs Juggernaut

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What to note from this fight.

*Nimrod can hold Juggernaut in place via levitation and hit him so hard that he says he thought only the Hulk himself could pull such a stunt.
*As I mentioned previously we can see that he can lift 1.37 Kilotons of steel which is equivalent to over 1000 tons. And it didn't look like a strenuous task to him either.
*Nimrod can sense mid battle that other X-Men are arriving, he can detect Nightcrawler teleporting to a specific destination and apply a blast to that exact location.
*He can also create a forcefield that not even Wolverines claws can cut through.
*And we see that he was repelled back onto the ground with a heavy amount of force that he was rendered insensitive.
*Nimrod can also tell how long he has until he will no longer be bale to kill Wolverine (i.e when his healing factor can eventually take effect)
*He uses a synapse dislocuter to block neural signals to Juggernauts brain, paralysing him.
*What we see next is I think Rogue. Colossus and Nightcrawler merged into one taking on Nimrod. Nimrod fails to detect them this time as this is a new entity. But he soon learns to adapt...
*What we next see is the amalgam exploiting the same trick used against Magus to destroy Nimrod but Nimrod already regenerated. The amalgam of the 3 suggests that he might even have the ability to control his body at the molecular level.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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^I was thinking about this. Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It wasn't a high frequency sonic. Nimrod just stopped neural impulses going to Juggs brain.

He was around for the whole time unitl that one moment.

His sonics were never said to have done that. That's just keeping him asleep if anything. He was generating psionic fields that whole battle as to keep Rachel from contacting the X-Men. Him jamming Juggernaut as an aside to that attack is completely possible considering Juggernaut got up as soon as he left. And he could effectively figure out when Wolverine would awake right before he hit Juggs. Wanting to keep him down would be the right thing to do.

Especially when he says the sonics cause the pain to make him incapable, and the synapse dislocuter blocks the neural impulses from his brain to his body. Unless it just constantly keeps him in pain afterwards, it isn't blocking his neural impulses.

Even if the sonic didn't put him down however, that should still be enough to stun him while running.

I don't think it's enough to stun him while running.

Especially since they made a point of Nimrod knocking off his helmet.

Maybe. Though the helmet is an issue, but I mean, why would it block sonics? Hell, that skullcap should have more ear protection than the helmet, but I digress.

Though BB would definitely fair better in a fight than this sort of contest. Just thought it'd be something to bring up.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Maybe. Though the helmet is an issue, but I mean, why would it block sonics? Hell, that skullcap should have more ear protection than the helmet, but I digress.

Though BB would definitely fair better in a fight than this sort of contest. Just thought it'd be something to bring up.
They didn't say.

But it's pretty phucking plain as day that Nimrod deliberately removed the helmet before hitting Juggernaut with that sonic attack.

And then we see that the only reason Juggernaut stays down is because of the neural inhibitor thing.

-whew-
Almost had to give the nod to BB. That was close.

Originally posted by krisblaze
They didn't say.

But it's pretty phucking plain as day that Nimrod deliberately removed the helmet before hitting Juggernaut with that sonic attack.

And then we see that the only reason Juggernaut stays down is because of the neural inhibitor thing. He just kind of slapped it off though. There wasn't really effort to get it off

Stays down for a nice length of time. But we saw him get heavily impacted by the pain of the beam itself. And then he just sat there.
We've also seen Juggernaut get effected by other things that would bother his brain outside of telepathy though. Teleporting left him in a lump for instance. If that can screw up his brain, I've no doubts a scream could. Though the helmet again could be an issue.

Outside of the scream screwing up his ears though, Juggernaut seems more durable when he's in motion. Example being the Godblast. So unless the scream blows out his ears, it's probably not doing much.

I dont.

This was a cartoon so it is not canon,but it is the best way to take Juggs out of the picture.Gladiator took a shot from Juggs and did not feel it,he then picked Juggs about 20ft. off the ground and threw him like 20 miles away.Kind of like beating him and B.F.R at the same time!

Originally posted by riv6672
So we have a very specific, obviously prepped Nimrod attack, the indestructible environment not fully taken into account when discussing Juggernaut's ability to reach BB...still picking J over BB. I suppose the indestructible environment is supposed to account for it but this scenario is hard to predict.

In comics though, we'd know what'd happen. Juggernaut could very well want/be able to charge through, but with a true scream, his footing would be blown away and Juggernaut would just be carried off with the rest of the debris.

Classic Juggernaut, with his FF up, would walk right through BB's scream, imo.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It wasn't a high frequency sonic. Nimrod just stopped neural impulses going to Juggs brain.

He was around for the whole time unitl that one moment. Thanks for posting those scans my friend,i have the book but would have to dig half a day to find it.Nimrod was almost unbeatable there,and shows even Juggs can be overcome with the right tools!

Originally posted by zom1967
Thanks for posting those scans my friend,i have the book but would have to dig half a day to find it.Nimrod was almost unbeatable there,and shows even Juggs can be overcome with the right tools! Thanos waded through Blackbolts scream with no problem(although I have heard this might have been a skrull,the power was still there).It was an impressive feat and I think Thanos durability even tanks Juggs.

Originally posted by zom1967
Thanos waded through Blackbolts scream with no problem(although I have heard this might have been a skrull,the power was still there).It was an impressive feat and I think Thanos durability even tanks Juggs. Thanos did not wade through Black Bolt's first scream at all. He got blown off his feet and the rest of Attilan just blew up.

And Thanos did not wade through a weakened follow-up voice attack with "no problem." Thanos surely pushed through it, but Thanos' defenses appeared to be exhausted in the effort. Few characters have pierced through Thanos' defenses like Black Bolt did. And Maximus revealed later that Black Bolt's powers were weakened upon detonation of the Terrigen Bomb.

Originally posted by ODG
And Maximus revealed later that Black Bolt's powers were weakened upon detonation of the Terrigen Bomb.
Is this true?

I read the comic but don't really remember this.

I think Bran's been telling people he wasn't depowered and Carter's always on the other side of that argument....

I never said anything like that. BB was fully powered on his first scream. The rest were apparently half screams.
Carver argues that BB's screams were weakened the entire time.

Thanos just kind of stood there while everything blew apart while he was getting damaged. But even the half power screams seemed to do more than Thor's mega cheapshot.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Is this true?

I read the comic but don't really remember this.

I think Bran's been telling people he wasn't depowered and Carter's always on the other side of that argument....
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-New Avengers #12

Thanks!