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Hydra has put a bounty on Steve Rodgers and Jango Fett has accepted. Can the Mandalorian defeat the greatest soldier in history or does Steve survive to fight another day?

Cap wins

Jango was a confirmed pussy who had to hire an assassin to kill Paddy when he could have done it himself. Cap breaks him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Jango was a confirmed pussy who had to hire an assassin to kill Paddy when he could have done it himself. Cap breaks him.

http://i3.bebo.com/042/4/large/2008/01/17/11/5452662731a6641300982l.jpg

Probably Jango. He's smart enough to aim at feet.

I never understood the obsession with bobba fett. He had like less than 5 minutes of screen time and got wrekt by a n00b jedi in a comical fashion. Yet there is tons of EU material written about him that portray him like some super badass.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I never understood the obsession with bobba fett. He had like less than 5 minutes of screen time and got wrekt by a n00b jedi in a comical fashion. Yet there is tons of EU material written about him that portray him like some super badass. He's a super badass, bruh.

Fett wins

Originally posted by Mindset
He's a super badass, bruh.

makes sense

If you have read stuff on him you'd know he's badass

Film feats say otherwise

WwC_o_fcW1s

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Originally posted by Robtard
Film feats say otherwise

WwC_o_fcW1s


lol correction to my previous post. He was wrekt by a blind solo by accident in a comical fashion.

Cap

The Captain always wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
Film feats say otherwise

WwC_o_fcW1s That's fantastic.

Funny video though Rob... point is.. if you use EU stuff... Jango wins

Point is, Cap wins.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I never understood the obsession with bobba fett. He had like less than 5 minutes of screen time and got wrekt by a n00b jedi in a comical fashion. Yet there is tons of EU material written about him that portray him like some super badass.
He didn't die though

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny video though Rob... point is.. if you use EU stuff... Jango wins

And if you use the comic stuff for Cap?

Disney throws away the EU and mocks you. Relentlessly.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Disney throws away the EU and mocks you. Relentlessly.
It's all fun and games until disney buys sh!t

LOL at bringing up the EU, when this is the movie board.

Cap wins.

How? Jango has a jet pack and can stay out of reach. Caps only chance is to throw the shield which leaves him wide open to Jango shooting him. Best case for Cap is a stalemate.

Sure, as long as we completely ignore their movie feats.

You mean besides being shwwn using a jetpack and thus could do so here and totally stay out of range just like he said?

Post the clip where he fights entirely at range.

The only reason he was fighting Kenobi in close combat was because he had his gun knocked away by a force jump kick. Otherwise, yeah that's what he tends to do as we see in his fight against Kenobi and as he attempts to do against Mace (but can't because his jetpack was damaged).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the clip where he fights entirely at range.

he fought at range against Kenobi to at various points of the fight. So he's been shown to do exactly that. If we're only talking ROTJ feats... Then all I need to show is him using his jetpack... I don't need to show any range. They fight to the best of their abilities... they aren't subject to PIS. Even then in Return of the Jedi.. He tried to stay at range with luke.. Kept his distance and tried to lasso him from afar.. Then was going to shoot him from afar and got accidently hit by Solo. Case closed.

Originally posted by ares834
The only reason he was fighting Kenobi in close combat was because he had his gun knocked away by a force jump kick. Otherwise, yeah that's what he tends to do as we see in his fight against Kenobi and as he attempts to do against Mace (but can't because his jetpack was damaged).

Even then he fought at range at certain points in AOTC

Various points, IOW not entirely at range.

Thank you.

Originally posted by juggerman
And if you use the comic stuff for Cap?

lmmfao at Jango firing from long distances...

also so i guess then Jango's weapons can penetrate the shield, thats even more funnier than usual shit of a character just standing there.. man kmc continues to be very funny these days with people ignoring what is actually being shown right in front of them

It's too bad that Cap doesn't have any feats of blocking energy attacks.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Various points, IOW not entirely at range.

Thank you.

he doesn't need to fight entirely at range. Guess you don't know how this forums work. All that needs to be shown that he does fight and range and chooses to do so. Period. Once that is shown and they fight at the best of their abilities it's perfectly acceptable to say he could fight at range and win or stalemate. Figured you'd know that by now but you're silent

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lmmfao at Jango firing from long distances...

also so i guess then Jango's weapons can penetrate the shield, thats even more funnier than usual shit of a character just standing there.. man kmc continues to be very funny these days with people ignoring what is actually being shown right in front of them

So then you agree he can fight and distance but you don't believe he can penetrate Cap's defenses... That's fine but then it's a stalemate.

IOW, I know that he has never fought this way in the movies, but I'm going to argue that he will in this match because I don't want Cap to destroy him

What you're doing is called scripting.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's too bad that Cap doesn't have any feats of blocking energy attacks.



Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So then you agree he can fight and distance but you don't believe he can penetrate Cap's defenses... That's fine but then it's a stalemate.


nope I believe Cap takes this

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lmmfao at Jango firing from long distances...

Guess him sniping Zam in AOTC must have been my imagination eh?



No they prolly couldn't, which would make it a stalemate at best

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, I know that he has never fought this way in the movies, but I'm going to argue that he will in this match because I don't want Cap to destroy him

What you're doing is called scripting.

So you still don't comprehend the forum rules then? He doesn't need to fight at range the entire time in the movies to say he'll do so here. He just has to show that he can, is capable of it and has fought at range. He meets all that criteria. Then when you have him fight at his best it becomes clear what he'll do. Further, he HAS fought at range the entire time in a fight sequence. In Return of the Jedi... he stayed from Luke fighting on another ship and kept his distance the ENTIRE time from him and that fight going on the other ship. Game, set match

You've already admitted that he's never shown the tactical foresight needed to fight entirely at range so you arguing that he will do so here is just scripting because you don't want you pet character to lose.

Cap wins, deal with it.


BTW, the scene you just mentioned was his clone Boba Fett, you really need to up your Star Wars knowledge.

Except the only time Jango gets in very close range is when he needs to. Like when he is disarmed. Otherwise he jetpacks away as seen in his fight with Kenobi and as he attempts to do to Windu.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You've already admitted that he's never shown the tactical foresight needed to fight entirely at range so you arguing that he will do so here is just scripting because you don't want you pet character to lose.

Cap wins, deal with it.


BTW, the scene you just mentioned was his clone Boba Fett, you really need to up your Star Wars knowledge.

I'm not scripting a thing.... He was shown to fight at distance.. is capable of fighting at distance. It's really that simple. He was shown fighting at distance and CHOSE to fight that way when he could for a reason. A clone of himself also decided to fight at distance against Luke... showing it's a tactic they use often for good reason. That's all there is to it.

We have already established that he's never shown the tactical foresight needed to fight entirely at range, you trying to use feats for Boba Fett just proves how desperate you are.

Cap wins.

See the thing about the thread is that it is in Jango's favor simply because he gets a free shot in on Captain America. We have no idea where and when Jango strikes Cap or how he goes about doing so since the guy never really assassinated a person(just hired another person to do it for him).

Specifics are nice things to have.

Cap can also know the gun out of Jango's hand or knock Jango out of the air entiely with a well placed shield toss. The idea that Cap can only hope to stalemate is silly even if Jango tries to keep his distance

Originally posted by AuraAngel
See the thing about the thread is that it is in Jango's favor simply because he gets a free shot in on Captain America. We have no idea where and when Jango strikes Cap or how he goes about doing so since the guy never really assassinated a person(just hired another person to do it for him).

Specifics are nice things to have.

Good point. How Jango will attempt to kill Cap is left ambiguous. Guess he could snipe him in his sleep from a mile away for all we know

In which case Cap could probably tank it but then it comes down to how far he'd have to travel to stop Jango.

Doubt he'd be able to tank a blaster bolt.

Originally posted by juggerman
Cap can also know the gun out of Jango's hand or knock Jango out of the air entiely with a well placed shield toss. The idea that Cap can only hope to stalemate is silly even if Jango tries to keep his distance


Certain people have never seen any movies with Cap in them, so they don't know that he has feats of blocking energy attacks and taking out flying opponents. they just don't want their pet character to lose. so they pick a tactic that at best ends in a draw...if you ignore Cap's feats.

Originally posted by juggerman
Doubt he'd be able to tank a blaster bolt.

He took a laser in the Avengers. It hurt him in the same way someone hitting you with a baseball really hurts him. Closest point of comparison to Star Wars blasters I can think of tbh.

Originally posted by juggerman
Cap can also know the gun out of Jango's hand or knock Jango out of the air entiely with a well placed shield toss. The idea that Cap can only hope to stalemate is silly even if Jango tries to keep his distance

Except when he is throwing the shield he is leaving himself wide open to getting shot by Jango. It's a catch 22 for Cap. He can sit back on the defensive blocking Jango's shots but doing so won't allow him to attack or he can throw his shield but in doing so he leaves himself wide open.

You're acting like it's a given that Cap will miss with the shield and that he'll get hit the second he throws it. it's like you never considered that Cap might be able to dodge after he throws the shield or that the shield will connect with either the gun/jetpack or Jango himself.

I never said he would miss. In fact I'm almost certain he would hit just as I'd expect Jango would hit as well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We have already established that he's never shown the tactical foresight needed to fight entirely at range, you trying to use feats for Boba Fett just proves how desperate you are.

Cap wins.

This isn't close true at all.... Here he knows he's about to get into a fight. Against Kenobi, He had no idea he was coming nor that a fight was going to take place. He was trying to escape/leave (keeping distance) when Kenobi appeared and tried to stop him. Even then he was trying to avoid a direct conflict. There was no lacking of foresight and planning to keep it at distance. He may have wanted to or would have if he wasn't caught a little off guard by Kenobi. Even then, he STILL tried to keep it at distance even though he was engaged in close quarters combat. Showing that's how he prefers to fight. Case closed.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
He took a laser in the Avengers. It hurt him in the same way someone hitting you with a baseball really hurts him. Closest point of comparison to Star Wars blasters I can think of tbh.

Completely different blasts

Originally posted by ares834
I never said he would miss. In fact I'm almost certain he would hit just as I'd expect Jango would hit as well.

Cap has much better aim than Jango. How many times has Cap missed a toss? Compare that to how many shots Jango has missed

Well of course but then it comes down to feats. What in the films have Jango's blasters done?

Originally posted by juggerman
Good point. How Jango will attempt to kill Cap is left ambiguous. Guess he could snipe him in his sleep from a mile away for all we know

Quoted the wrong post and too lazy to go back.. BUT... Remember Cap could decide to throw his shield.. But he'd also know that comes with a big risk if he misses... Shoot he could hit him and still not doing enough damage that Jango will be firing back in moments. The reality is Cap isn't a tactical idiot.. he'd know the potential consequences of letting his primary weapon for protection fly out of his hands.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well of course but then it comes down to feats. What in the films have Jango's blasters done?

Well it one shot killed a huge rhino looking beast. I'd say it has some kick

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're acting like it's a given that Cap will miss with the shield and that he'll get hit the second he throws it. it's like you never considered that Cap might be able to dodge after he throws the shield or that the shield will connect with either the gun/jetpack or Jango himself.

You're acting like it's a given he'll even throw it. You're basically saying Cap would take that tactical risk... and I don't think he's likely to do so. Yet, this is his only chance if Jango stays at range. So really, you're hoping for a lot of things in order for Cap to win.

So in your world 1 thing = a lot of things. plus it's not even like I said Cap throwing the shield would be the only way he can win.


You really need to up both your Cap and Star Wars knowledge.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny video though Rob... point is.. if you use EU stuff... Jango wins

That video was of Boba...

If we use Comic stuff, then Cap anally violates both EU Boba and Jango at the same time without breaking a sweat

Originally posted by Silent Master
So in your world 1 thing = a lot of things. plus it's not even like I said Cap throwing the shield would be the only way he can win.


You really need to up both your Cap and Star Wars knowledge.

I've forgotten more about star wars than you've ever known. I know exactly who Jango and Boba are.. I was simply pointing out that an exact clone of himself and fellow bounty hunter CHOSE to stay at distance while fighting Luke. Something his father also employed. Thanks for playing kiddo.

Originally posted by Robtard
That video was of Boba...

If we use Comic stuff, then Cap anally violates both EU Boba and Jango at the same time without breaking a sweat

Even then not necessarily but he certainly has better feats and more of them that's for certain

Originally posted by Robtard
That video was of Boba...

If we use Comic stuff, then Cap anally violates both EU Boba and Jango at the same time without breaking a sweat

It's sad that he didn't even know that Boba and Jango are different characters.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Even then not necessarily but he certainly has better feats and more of them that's for certain

Disagree, but since this is the MVF, let us leave Marvel Comics and the EU out of this

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's sad that he didn't even know that Boba and Jango are different characters.

TBF, their helmets are very similar

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's sad that he didn't even know that Boba and Jango are different characters.

Point me to where I didn't know they were different characters? You are truly a moron.... Showing how bounty hunters fight in general and even showing an exact clone of another and how he fights is solid proof and that's what I was showing. It's hilarious for you to even say I don't know about Star Wars... I've read books you didn't even know existed. Your knowledge of Star Wars is pedestrian at best. You had no clue Jango or Boba even fought at distance or was a tactic of theirs. If you did you wouldn't question the tactic of him fighting at distance.

Now quote me where I didn't know they were two different people.

Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, their helmets are very similar

True, I guess it's possible for people that don't have very much Star Wars knowledge to make such a mistake.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well of course but then it comes down to feats. What in the films have Jango's blasters done?

Blasters in SW work more like lasers. The ones in Avengers had a more concussive impact

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Quoted the wrong post and too lazy to go back.. BUT... Remember Cap could decide to throw his shield.. But he'd also know that comes with a big risk if he misses... Shoot he could hit him and still not doing enough damage that Jango will be firing back in moments. The reality is Cap isn't a tactical idiot.. he'd know the potential consequences of letting his primary weapon for protection fly out of his hands.

If Jango stayed away from Cap, how else could Cap win? The shield throw would be a given at that point. But again that's only if Jango fights the way you are saying. If he is within punch/kick range, a toss isn't needed

IIRC, Cap took a Chitauri energy blast to his side and all it did was give him a minor flesh wound and some pain

Originally posted by juggerman
Completely different blasts

Both energy based and the Chitauri's had some decent level of punch behind it, at least more so than Jango's

So Cap taking one or more isn't a crazy idea

Originally posted by Robtard
Both energy based and the Chitauri's had some decent level of punch behind it, at least more so than Jango's

So Cap taking one or more isn't a crazy idea

The SW blasters were more like an actual laser shot. Like it pierces thru you. The Chitauri blasters seemed to be more blunt force imo

I had forgotten about the rhino thing Jango killed(or was thinking it took more than one shot). Still it was a headshot and I don't think Cap could take one of those.

But as I said it really depends on how Jango initiates the fight. In a straight up fight then I'd bet money on Cap every time.

I agree totally.. if Jango tries to go h2h or close quarters.. It's probably not going to end well at all for him

Originally posted by juggerman
The SW blasters were more like an actual laser shot. Like it pierces thru you. The Chitauri blasters seemed to be more blunt force imo

It would have to be a maintained beam to be an actual laser.

Jango's blaster seemed to fire an energy based particle bolt (just like the Chitauri rifles) and using outside sources, that's basically what it is, iirc.

I don't mean it was an actual laser, just that it acted more like one than the Chitauri's weapons. I could be wrong but it seemed the Chitauri's blasters didn't pierce things so much as smack against things forcefully

Jangos' greatest feat of combat was hucking a rocket at a guy and totally failing to kill him with it. Then shooting some idiot. Then dying.


Cap's killed better anonymous henchmen.

Actually he took on an acclaimed Jedi with Precog and enhanced abilities himself and held his own and used tactics to survive. I wouldn't call that weak at all actually

Oh but didn't you know, Star Wars is one of the only verses where downplaying is acceptable

If you are facing one of the strongest Jedi in history and his lightsaber has been knocked to the ground a few feet before you, what do you do?

A. Pull out your trusty blaster and shoot the Jedi in the face while he is powerless to block the attack.

B. Use your grappling hook to either capture the Jedi or get his weapon off the ground.

C. Jump at it like a moron, leaving yourself prone in the event that you fail to get the lightsaber.

If you chose C then, well, you are probably about to fight Captain America.

Joking aside, Jango's competence seems to fluctuate in the film.

Originally posted by ares834
Except when he is throwing the shield he is leaving himself wide open to getting shot by Jango. It's a catch 22 for Cap. He can sit back on the defensive blocking Jango's shots but doing so won't allow him to attack or he can throw his shield but in doing so he leaves himself wide open.

Except that Cap is a very fast and agile opponent. If he throws the shield he can just dodge any shots that Fett manages to get off before the shield clobbers him.

Seriously, I don't get why some people seem to think "Cap will throw the shield, and then so-and-so will beat him" as if he'll just stand there like an idiot.

Cap wins this one.

Jango is a master marksman. He isn't going to miss even if Cap is moving.

LOL!!!!

A master class in debating.

Says the guy claiming it's impossible for Jango to miss.

LOL!!!!!!!

lolstrawman

Originally posted by StealthRanger
lolstrawman

No it's not, he just said that Jango wouldn't miss even if Cap is moving. 100% hit rate = never miss.

He isn't likely to miss. Happy now?

Do you have any feats of Jango hitting someone with at least Cap level speed that is actively dodging?

I don't see what feats put Cap above ****ers like Obi-Wan and such

Super strength helps a lot. Durability another.

Watch Jango vs Obi-Wan again. Jango struggled to hit a moving Obi-Wan with his blaster even when he didn't block them. He was clearly intercepted in midair by a guy weaker than Cap in all areas and then fought him more or less evenly despite having armor on to protect him.

And no, I don't care that the Jedi have precog. That doesn't mean he is an ace at shooting. Actually if you really wanna go there we have the Storm Troopers as evidence since they are genetically the same.

No they aren't.

Pretty sure they are. Clones are like that.

The clones are altered but I don't remember how exactly. Jango asks for one unaltered to raise as his son.

Come to think of it, maybe the only alteration was they were quickly aged. Can anyone clarify?

I know in the EU they get new kinds of clones but not really at play here.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Pretty sure they are. Clones are like that.

They aren't cloned though. They are different sizes and Lucas never went and changed their voices like he did Boba.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Pretty sure they are. Clones are like that.

The clones are most certainly altered to obey orders and have certain protocols built in to them. Which is why Boba was an exact clone with no alternation or protocols installed. The reality is, Jango held his own against an acclaimed Jedi of the order and used distance to his advantage. He'd do the exact same thing here.

He'd just get bonked out of the sky by a single shield throw

At which point Cap would likely be shot.

Originally posted by Robtard
He'd just get bonked out of the sky by a single shield throw

You're assuming the OP wanted Cap to be allowed to dodge.

Seeing as these vs battles are done in a festureless environment, why doesn't cap just wait for Jango to come down from his jet jump and smack him with a face full of shield?

I don't recall those jetpacks ever hovering for a long period, of time. IIRC, they looked more like jumpjets than hoverpacks to me.

Originally posted by ares834
At which point Cap would likely be shot.

The man can run like a 3min mile on a bad day and jump 60+ feet, so I have a feeling he could use his speed and athleticism to avoid the few shots fired before his shield connects and bonks Jango out of the air

Jango fight and kills guys who also have superhuman stats + precog.

Originally posted by Robtard
The man can run like a 3min mile on a bad day and jump 60+ feet, so I have a feeling he could use his speed and athleticism to avoid the few shots fired before his shield connects and bonks Jango out of the air

Jump 60 Feet?

Originally posted by ares834
Jango fight and kills guys who also have superhuman stats + precog.

He barely escaped from one Jedi(needed the help of his clone and Slave1), killed one Jedi who arguably was a semi-loser and then got his shit completely and utterly pushed in by another Jedi

Right like Windu or Kenobi wouldn't Curb CA as well

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jump 60 Feet?

67 feet to be exact.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right like Windu or Kenobi wouldn't Curb CA as well

Did I say or imply that Cap would beat Jedi?

Edit: The answer is "No", btw

Originally posted by Robtard
He barely escaped from one Jedi(needed the help of his clone and Slave1), killed one Jedi who arguably was a semi-loser and then got his shit completely and utterly pushed in by another Jedi

His fight against Kenobi was virtually a draw. And Boba/Slave 1 did nothing of any real consequence.

I'll admit Coleman is likely a loser.

And dying to Windu is nothing to scoff at. Plus he only was taken down as easily as he was because of his damaged jetpack which is really his whole key to victory in his fights against melee opponents.

Good versus thread actually.

I think it could go either way depending on the environment, tactics utilized and luck.

Might give Cap the slight majority though.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right like Windu or Kenobi wouldn't Curb CA as well

If they fought the way they did against Jango then Cap would beat them. His shield blocked Thor's hammer, which is better than most things I recall a light saber cutting.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did I say or imply that Cap would beat Jedi?

Edit: The answer is "No", btw

Right so who cares if Jango got Curb'd by Mace... Mace would also curb'd Cap as well. So that's a moot point. Jango doing pretty well against Kenobi makes it crystal clear he'd do well against CA who bring far less to the table than a Jedi

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If they fought the way they did against Jango then Cap would beat them. His shield blocked Thor's hammer, which is better than most things I recall a light saber cutting.

That's like me saying I've seen a saber cut through things and Thor's hammer never has... so it must be more powerful.. The reality is, Cap doesn't have as many ways to win and Jango and it's really that simple.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If they fought the way they did against Jango then Cap would beat them. His shield blocked Thor's hammer, which is better than most things I recall a light saber cutting.

Mace would have no issue going CQC with Cap.. he'd ragdoll him all over the place until he was KO'd or dead. Cap would never even get near him. Throwing a shield maybe? LOL... Mace would literally wave it off with a gesture.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
If they fought the way they did against Jango then Cap would beat them. His shield blocked Thor's hammer, which is better than most things I recall a light saber cutting.


Yeah except he wouldn't be able to hold on to his Shield with Jedi Tk'ing him and the Shield.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah except he wouldn't be able to hold on to his Shield with Jedi Tk'ing him and the Shield.

Read what I said carefully. If they fought the way they did against Jango. AKA not really using the force all that much to do the simple stuff like taking the gun from him.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Read what I said carefully. If they fought the way they did against Jango. AKA not really using the force all that much to do the simple stuff like taking the gun from him.


Yeah but Jango's fighting style influenced their fighting styles in that particular fight.

Jango flies around with continuous firing of blasters, rockets, lasers e.t.c. That would force Cap into a certain (limited) style of fighting as well.

What's up D.P. long time no see bud. oh and for Old times sake... Mace still beats Dooku and Kenobi is the bestest ever and ever ever!!!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What's up D.P. long time no see bud. oh and for Old times sake... Mace still beats Dooku and Kenobi is the bestest ever and ever ever!!!


HaHaHa

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right so who cares if Jango got Curb'd by Mace... Mace would also curb'd Cap as well. So that's a moot point. Jango doing pretty well against Kenobi makes it crystal clear he'd do well against CA who bring far less to the table than a Jedi

Not as curbed. eg if Jango got curbed 10, Cap would get curbed 7

edit: three less curbs is what I am saying

So are we really at the point here where we're demanding proof of Jango's predilection for long-ranged attacks to assume that an armored jetpack wearing combat pragmatist can fight at long-range?

Really?

I'm not even saying Jango will win, but some of the demands being made here are inane.

Nobody is saying that he'd never attack from range, we were disputing the notion that Jango wouldn't fight to win, he'd just keep running away and laying down suppressive fire to keep Cap from closing the distance and force a stalemate.

KuRuPT Thanosi is basically arguing that Jango is a massive coward and thus would spend the entire fight running away.

I vaguely recall a comment from someone {perhaps you?} to the effect of "prove Jango can fight at long range" or something.

Arguing what a character is capable of is {i.e. what's on paper} is more effective than arguing what they will do based on scripted events. Jango's got a jetpack and he's proven more than willing to fight dirty. Hell, in his fight with Obi-Wan he utilizes all assortments of gadgets and doesn't cry foul when his son opens fire on the Jedi in a friggin' starship. Force adepts pretty much always have the advantage in combat anyways and Jango didn't get where he was by fighting on an even playing field.

Even with Coleman Trebor, Jango just opens fire on him when Trebor's attention is solely on Dooku.

He clearly doesn't give a shit. He fights to win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody is saying that he'd never attack from range, we were disputing the notion that Jango wouldn't fight to win, he'd just keep running away and laying down suppressive fire to keep Cap from closing the distance and force a stalemate.

KuRuPT Thanosi is basically arguing that Jango is a massive coward and thus would spend the entire fight running away.

You're a total and complete moron. Quote me saying any such thing or this will be another time you're a liar. What I was saying was that Cap can really only hope to stalemate Jango not the other way around. But a moron like yourself would get the two confused. Jango's only hope isn't a stalemate, he has far more options than Cap if he fights smart like he typically does. Cap on the other hand best hope is a stalemate since we know Jango will likely fight at range and Cap can do virtually nothing about it. BTW Tempest don't mind Silent.. His Star Wars knowledge is comparable to Quan's i.e. very little if any.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I vaguely recall a comment from someone {perhaps you?} to the effect of "prove Jango can fight at long range" or something.

Arguing what a character is capable of is {i.e. what's on paper} is more effective than arguing what they will do based on scripted events. Jango's got a jetpack and he's proven more than willing to fight dirty. Hell, in his fight with Obi-Wan he utilizes all assortments of gadgets and doesn't cry foul when his son opens fire on the Jedi in a friggin' starship. Force adepts pretty much always have the advantage in combat anyways and Jango didn't get where he was by fighting on an even playing field.

Even with Coleman Trebor, Jango just opens fire on him when Trebor's attention is solely on Dooku.

He clearly doesn't give a shit. He fights to win.

Yes that was Silent demanding proof that Jango will fight at range for the entire fight... Then again are we surprised by Silent saying this? He's the laughing stock of multiple forums

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I vaguely recall a comment from someone {perhaps you?} to the effect of "prove Jango can fight at long range" or something.

Arguing what a character is capable of is {i.e. what's on paper} is more effective than arguing what they will do based on scripted events. Jango's got a jetpack and he's proven more than willing to fight dirty. Hell, in his fight with Obi-Wan he utilizes all assortments of gadgets and doesn't cry foul when his son opens fire on the Jedi in a friggin' starship. Force adepts pretty much always have the advantage in combat anyways and Jango didn't get where he was by fighting on an even playing field.

Even with Coleman Trebor, Jango just opens fire on him when Trebor's attention is solely on Dooku.

He clearly doesn't give a shit. He fights to win.

You might want to tell that to KT, seeing as his argument was basically that Jango wouldn't fight to win, that Jango would in fact stay at range and force a stalemate, that is when I asked for where he(Jango) ever acted like that for an entire fight.

Jango's only ever tried to fight at distances when facing Jedi, since he's aware that Jedi are effectively the Apex Predators in their universe.

Though with Coleman Trebor, he had no fear shooting from a distance of 20ish feet, but that could have been because big daddy Doku was there and he felt safe.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You might want to tell that to KT, seeing as his argument was basically that Jango wouldn't fight to win, that Jango would in fact stay at range and force a stalemate, that is when I asked for where he(Jango) ever acted like that for an entire fight.

Show me any place I said that clownshoes... I said he'd fight at range and then CAP's BEST SHOT IS FOR A STALEMATE. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it. At range Jango can beat cap with all his weapons... That is no issue for him. Eventually he'll tag Cap... Cap on the other hand has so limited options if Jango stays at range that HIS only shot in a stalemate. Let's see moron mess it up again.

The only time you've said that Cap's best shot is for a stalemate was earlier on this page, stop trying to pretend that it was your stance the entire time. you're not fooling anyone.

Jango will stick to ranged fighting if that's the best way to win the fight.

And he's got quite a range and coordination. Remember how far he was when shooting a poisonous dart at Zam Wessel's neck.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The only time you've said that Cap's best shot is for a stalemate was earlier on this page, stop trying to pretend that it was your stance the entire time. you're not fooling anyone.

Perfect, then quote where I said Jango's only chance and hope is for a stalemate like you're claiming I said. Or shall we add this to a laundry list of times that you've lied?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the clip where he fights entirely at range.

now this is what you said like the clownshoes you are LOL

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're acting like it's a given he'll even throw it. You're basically saying Cap would take that tactical risk... and I don't think he's likely to do so. Yet, this is his only chance if Jango stays at range. So really, you're hoping for a lot of things in order for Cap to win.

Here on Page three.. I say Cap's only chance is to throw the shield if Jango stays at range. When we know Jango has multiple options at range from his Kenobi fight. i.e. Cap's only chance then is a stalemate or he losses. It's really that simple. Jango will fight at range and eventually hit and kill/ko Cap or cap will just hide behind his shield like a coward hoping for a stalemate.

Where exactly did I say that you claimed "Jango's only chance and hope is for a stalemate"? you just keep making up things and demanding quotes where your made up statements were made.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You might want to tell that to KT, seeing as his argument was basically that Jango wouldn't fight to win, that Jango would in fact stay at range and force a stalemate, that is when I asked for where he(Jango) ever acted like that for an entire fight.

No you said ^^^^ ... At NO point did I call Jango a pussy or he'll only try for a stalemate. I made it clear with the quote above Cap's ONLY shot is a stalemate if Jango fights at range. At no point did I say Jango would stay at range to force a stalemate.... QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID WHAT YOU'RE CLAIMING I SAID. It's that simple or another silent lie

Here you go again, you're lying about what I actually said and then demanding I back up something that you just made up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You might want to tell that to KT, seeing as his argument was basically that Jango wouldn't fight to win, that Jango would in fact stay at range and force a stalemate, that is when I asked for where he(Jango) ever acted like that for an entire fight.


he's your quote right here.. NOW... Quote where I said:

1. Jango wouldn't fight to win
2. and that he would stay at range to force a stalemate

Quote where I said Jango wouldn't fight to win and would stay at range to force a stalemate. that's what you claimed I said... NOW QUOTE WHERE I MADE THOSE CLAIMS. Let me see you run again from the question as I love seeing you squirm lol. Does it bother you, and I'm being honest here, that everybody laughs at you?

I notice that you leave out where I said "Basically", IOW indicating that I was paraphrasing your stance and not repeating it verbatim, so you're essentially asking me to provide a quote where you said this exact thing when it was marked from the beginning as not being a verbatim recounting of what you said.

I'm including a link that should prove useful to you.

http://www.k12reader.com/subject/reading-skills/reading-comprehension/1st-grade-reading-comprehension-worksheets/

Originally posted by Silent Master
I notice that you leave out where I said "Basically", IOW indicating that I was paraphrasing your stance and not repeating it verbatim, so you're essentially asking me to provide a quote where you said this exact thing when it was marked from the beginning as not being a verbatim recounting of what you said.

I'm including a link that should prove useful to you.

http://www.k12reader.com/subject/reading-skills/reading-comprehension/1st-grade-reading-comprehension-worksheets/

Okay so quote where my basic stance was what you claimed. I never said any such thing like you're claiming or paraphrasing for that matter. Now Quote where my basic argument more or less was what you said.

How about I just cut through all the crap and just quote where you basically say that Jango needs his EU feats to win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny video though Rob... point is.. if you use EU stuff... Jango wins

Originally posted by Silent Master
How about I just cut through all the crap and just quote where you basically say that Jango needs his EU feats to win.

Nope nice moving the goal posts and red herring.. Typical of you. That has nothing to do with the question I asked you... Now, go ahed and quote where my basic argument is what you claimed or you're a liar once again.

We both know that doing so would require me to repost all of your argument related posts and then you'd just disagree with my interpretation of your argument and claim that I failed and we'd be right back to where we started. only I would have wasted time on gathering the posts.

Again, I'm asking exactly how Jango would be able to keep his range from cap? From what I remember, his jetpack can't really keep him in the air indefinitely. The second he lands, Cap'll chase him down and Final Justice him in the face.

Well while all that is happening, back to the thread.

Jango's blasters and missile aren't getting through the shield, meaning Jango would have to wait for Cap to present an opening. His grappling hook would allow him to potentially restrain Cap but considering Obi-Wan managed to use the leverage to bring Jango down, using it on the much more physically superior Cap might not be a great idea. But he does have his jetpack, which would allow him to fight at a distance and safe from Cap's strength(if not his shield). Jango's best bet(in a straight up fight) would indeed be to wait for an opening. He doesn't have much in the way of options.

Rogers fairs a bit better in the physical department and would probably be able to decimate Jango if he got too close. His shield provides a good defense and if he was so inclined he would probably hit Jango with it from a distance(his aim is just that good). But without it the blasters would probably hurt, potentially being fatal if it hits him in the head. Overall he does have more options since he can play defensive until Jango does something that gives him an opening or he can take the chance and throw his shield.

But the thing is Cap has 3 movies to his name, 2 where he is the main guy. Jango has 2-3 action scenes in one movie. And in those scenes, I'm sorry but he tends to fly into close range when his opponent can block his attacks. He would likely get near Cap after a while of blasting away to no avail and that will be the end of it.

Nothing about Jango's 20 minutes or so of screen time suggests he has any remarkable abilities. His scenes are full of him dodging a slow moving Obi-Wan, getting his jetpack busted, somehow doing no harm with his giant rocket, getting kicked off a platform by a man with no great physical strength, shooting some schmuck point blank, getting rag dolled by a space rhino, and utterly failing in every single move in his fight with Mace--who's no prize of physical prowess himself.


Cap would finish him in seconds. Block, block, run, smack, kill.

Jango is a chump just like his son, Cap stomps with ease

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Nothing about Jango's 20 minutes or so of screen time suggests he has any remarkable abilities. His scenes are full of him dodging a slow moving Obi-Wan,

Well if you ignore Obi-Wan's speed feats as early as TPM, then yeah he's slow



Aside from being able to block strikes from Grievous who shattered a transparisteel window with a spear throw, you know



>implies losing to Mace Windu is some kind of low end showing



Except Cap is nowhere fast enough to blitz, and Jango can fly, so, it'll be far from that simple