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They're going to be releasing 20 novels to fill (or partially fill) the time gap between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. TWENTY.

I like that.

My wallet just leapt out the f*cking window and made a break for it.

I'd rather be reading them than the Dark Nest crisis or Vong novels tbh.

Originally posted by ILS
My wallet just leapt out the f*cking window and made a break for it.

Disney just sucking up the ****ing moolah.

Still need to read all the novels that just released.

20 *books*. That includes juvenile ones and non-story ones, not just novels.

The novel Aftermath: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aftermath

And Lost Stars: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Stars

Damn, it doesn't really reveal much in the summary for Aftermath.

I'm curious about the new canon novels, how will they write Jedi? I'm not used to reading books where they aren't fighting faster than the eye can see and whatnot.

Originally posted by Trocity
Damn, it doesn't really reveal much in the summary for Aftermath.

I'm curious about the new canon novels, how will they write Jedi? I'm not used to reading books where they aren't fighting faster than the eye can see and whatnot. They could still describe them moving that fast as hyperbole.

Originally posted by Trocity
Damn, it doesn't really reveal much in the summary for Aftermath.

I'm curious about the new canon novels, how will they write Jedi? I'm not used to reading books where they aren't fighting faster than the eye can see and whatnot.

I wouldn't worry really, the Jedi/Sith will probably still have their speed. Even in the movie novels, you had everyone moving at or reacting at super speeds. Heck even in the movies, you had them moving in blurs(IE Luke against Vader on Bespin).

So I'm sure, Jedi/Sith will still have pretty nifty reaction/speeds and the like, especially since in the movies this is already shown.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/09/star-wars-release-20-books-journey-force-awakens

They're going to be releasing 20 novels to fill (or partially fill) the time gap between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. TWENTY.


The problems is that force awaken have huge problem with the scenario......
There is a lot of rumor about it... They don't know where are they going....

Originally posted by Trocity
Damn, it doesn't really reveal much in the summary for Aftermath.

I'm curious about the new canon novels, how will they write Jedi?

Terribly I expect.

Granted the EU was hurt quite badly by prequelisation but we still had works like "Tales of the Jedi" and "Children of the Jedi" to provide a positive influence. The New Jedi Order and the series that followed it still continued on what was established prior to prequelisation.

Now, now, they'll be based entirely on the Prequels. What little variety we had left will now be non-existent. Before we had examples of Jedi who were different to the PT-era so when some moron went "how can Luke have a son?" we could explain it to them. Now I'm afraid they'll have Luke being a copy of the PT Jedi even though that makes no sense at all.


These new books will be lame.

Sorry, didn't mean to double post.

Nah, remember the Legends stuff can still work their way into the new canon. TOTJ and all the Old Republic stuff can still be used to write Jedi.

Originally posted by carthage
I'd rather be reading them than the Dark Nest crisis or Vong novels tbh.



Nobody gives a shit about what happens between ROTJ and TFA.

Uh, false.

Uh true. Nobody cares anymore.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Uh, false.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nah, remember the Legends stuff can still work their way into the new canon. TOTJ and all the Old Republic stuff can still be used to write Jedi.

I really hope that you're right about that.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Uh true. Nobody cares anymore.

It depends. If some good new Jedi are introduced then it might be worth a look. If for example, Scout is re-introduced (and her character hasn't been Bariss'd) then I'd definitely care.

After 30 years Luke ought to have at least 'some' students, otherwise he's 'really' been sleeping on the job.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
(and her character hasn't been Bariss'd) What does that mean? What happened with Barriss in The Clone Wars was pretty great. They actually made her into an interesting, complicated character instead of some background Jedi that's just lamely killed during Order 66.

Scout coming back would be pretty sweet, though.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
What does that mean? What happened with Barriss in The Clone Wars was pretty great. They actually made her into an interesting, complicated character instead of some background Jedi that's just lamely killed during Order 66.

How is it "great?" They made Barriss into a villain and a traitor. That's disgusting.

Not to mention it made no sense at all. For example, since when has Barriss been a Jar'kai expert?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Scout coming back would be pretty sweet, though.

Definitely.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nah, remember the Legends stuff can still work their way into the new canon. TOTJ and all the Old Republic stuff can still be used to write Jedi.

Let's hope not. TotJ and KotOR were both good the most of the rest sucked ass. I'd also rather have unique designs from stuff in this time period and not have stuff that looks highly derivative of tech from the films.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
How is it "great?" They made Barriss into a villain and a traitor. That's disgusting.

Not to mention it made no sense at all. For example, since when has Barriss been a Jar'kai expert? So making a background Jedi that barely anyone knew or cared about into a traitor is disgusting because... Um... Uh...?

They actually succeeded in turning Barriss into an interesting character. And a basis for you thinking it makes no sense is that she was a Jar'kai wielder? Seriously?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
So making a background Jedi that barely anyone knew or cared about into a traitor is disgusting because... Um... Uh...?

BECAUSE I knew and cared about her. I like Barriss, she's one of my favourite character in the series. I like her because she's nice and caring. For example, in the first MedStar novel she chastises a doctor for treating the clone troopers like machines and makes a point of telling him that they're people too.

THAT is why its disgusting.

DUH!

Originally posted by |King Joker|
They actually succeeded in turning Barriss into an interesting character.

She was always an interesting character. What they did was an insult.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
And a basis for you thinking it makes no sense is that she was a Jar'kai wielder? Seriously?

Seriously, did you actually watch the series? Or the 2003 series? Or read the MedStar novels?

In none of her appearances had Barriss shown any tendency at all in using two blades at once. She's always used just one lightsabre.

And then, out of the blue, she's suddenly an expert on par with dual blade specialists?

No, it does not make sense for one to suddenly be an absolute master in a fighting style that they have never before shown any knowledge of, to the point where they are equal to someone who specialises in that style.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
BECAUSE I knew and cared about her. I like Barriss, she's one of my favourite character in the series. I like her because she's nice and caring. For example, in the first MedStar novel she chastises a doctor for treating the clone troopers like machines and makes a point of telling him that they're people too.

THAT is why its disgusting.

DUH! No, that's why it's great. It shows just how the Wars get to people and twists their views and corrupts them. Barriss had good intentions, but the part of her that wanted peace was so ****ed up and warped as a result of all the shit she saw that the only way to stop the Clone Wars in her head was to attack the source of the problem -- the Jedi. And don't worry, the MedStar books are still canon in Legends, so nothing in those books were retconned, to my knowledge.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Seriously, did you actually watch the series? Or the 2003 series? Or read the MedStar novels?

In none of her appearances had Barriss shown any tendency at all in using two blades at once. She's always used just one lightsabre.

And then, out of the blue, she's suddenly an expert on par with dual blade specialists?

No, it does not make sense for one to suddenly be an absolute master in a fighting style that they have never before shown any knowledge of, to the point where they are equal to someone who specialises in that style. Kind of shocked that you could possibly give a **** about such a comparably minuscule and inconsequential detail that basically affects nothing. She can dual wield. So what? Maybe Luminara taught her the basics on their off time and Barriss built up her skill with it in preparation for the whole bombing-frame-Tano thing. It's irrelevant.

I think King Joker is really the only one who cares

Barriss is so cool tho

Originally posted by chilled monkey
BECAUSE I knew and cared about her. I like Barriss, she's one of my favourite character in the series. I like her because she's nice and caring. For example, in the first MedStar novel she chastises a doctor for treating the clone troopers like machines and makes a point of telling him that they're people too.

THAT is why its disgusting.

DUH!



She was always an interesting character. What they did was an insult.



Seriously, did you actually watch the series? Or the 2003 series? Or read the MedStar novels?

In none of her appearances had Barriss shown any tendency at all in using two blades at once. She's always used just one lightsabre.

And then, out of the blue, she's suddenly an expert on par with dual blade specialists?

No, it does not make sense for one to suddenly be an absolute master in a fighting style that they have never before shown any knowledge of, to the point where they are equal to someone who specialises in that style.


Perhaps they didn't have to follow any of this because none of it was Canon.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
No, that's why it's great. It shows just how the Wars get to people and twists their views and corrupts them. Barriss had good intentions, but the part of her that wanted peace was so ****ed up and warped as a result of all the shit she saw that the only way to stop the Clone Wars in her head was to attack the source of the problem -- the Jedi.

The Jedi were not the source of the problem. The senate was.


Originally posted by |King Joker|
And don't worry, the MedStar books are still canon in Legends, so nothing in those books were retconned, to my knowledge.

True.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Kind of shocked that you could possibly give a **** about such a comparably minuscule and inconsequential detail that basically affects nothing.

Kind of shocked that you can't see the problem here.


Originally posted by |King Joker|
She can dual wield. So what?

So how is she every bit as good at it as Ventress? Despite what you seem to think, just practising the same fighting style as another person does not automatically make you as good as they are. If they dedicate more time to it then they will be better.

Let me explain; Ventress specialises in dual wielding. That means she dedicates a lot of time to both practising and using it in live combat.

Barrriss does NOT specialise in dual wielding. This means that she doesn't dedicate much time to it. Even practising in secret wouldn't be that much, seeing as how little spare time they had during the war.

You're seriously saying that you don't find it odd that completely out of nowhere, someone who has never specialised in dual wielding is suddenly equal to someone who has used it as their preferred combat form for years? To the point that even Ahsoka, who has fought both of them, can't tell the difference?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Maybe Luminara taught her the basics on their off time and Barriss built up her skill with it in preparation for the whole bombing-frame-Tano thing.

Or maybe its just bad writing. Plus even then, it still doesn't compare to how much experience with the style Ventress has.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
It's irrelevant.

It's irrelevant only if you don't care about the quality of the show's writing.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
The Jedi were not the source of the problem. The senate was. That isn't what she thought.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Kind of shocked that you can't see the problem here. lol.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
So how is she every bit as good at it as Ventress? Despite what you seem to think, just practising the same fighting style as another person does not automatically make you as good as they are. If they dedicate more time to it then they will be better. She isn't on par with Ventress, and I never said she was, either. Barriss was using Ventress' lightsabers and was using the same lightsaber style as her, too. Ventress showed Ahsoka the warehouse so Ahsoka had every reason to believe it was Ventress.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Barrriss does NOT specialise in dual wielding. As far as we knew. Adding another aspect to a character that, again, is inconsequential and minuscule shouldn't be such a big deal.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You're seriously saying that you don't find it odd that completely out of nowhere, someone who has never specialised in dual wielding is suddenly equal to someone who has used it as their preferred combat form for years? To the point that even Ahsoka, who has fought both of them, can't tell the difference? Who's saying Barriss = Ventress, again? You're the only one who is. If you know anything about Barriss, you'd know she an extremely studious person and has an amazing memory. Her learning Makashi/Jar'Kai is not some crazy thing you're making it out to be. And her master being Luminara, someone who has faced Ventress, it's not unrealistic that she could learn to mimic Ventress' style.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
It's irrelevant only if you don't care about the quality of the show's writing. Barriss duel-wielding in no way hampers the quality of the show's writing, lol.

Originally posted by |King Joker|

Barriss duel-wielding in no way hampers the quality of the show's writing, lol.


Lol

Some people just gna hate.

Indeed.

http://www.starwars.com/news/what-happened-after-endor-find-out-in-star-wars-aftermath

Whelp, this'll be the big one. The first book that really ****s the old EU.

Right off the bat it seems likely that the events of Truce At Bakura is about to be retconned out of existence. Curious to see what happens to the Imperial Remnant in general.

I bet shit tons of Imperial Inquisitors are gonna be trying to assassinate Luke. That'd be fun to see.

Heir to the Jedi was pretty awful.

At least the EU was interesting, for better or for worse. I don't remember the last time I read such a pointless, bland novel.

Originally posted by Trocity
Heir to the Jedi was pretty awful.

At least the EU was interesting, for better or for worse. I don't remember the last time I read such a pointless, bland novel. Not every book is going to be good. Though it is disappointing Heir to the Jedi sucked. I think I'll just skip it.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Not every book is going to be good. Though it is disappointing Heir to the Jedi sucked. I think I'll just skip it. Probably going to skip it as well due to how poorly it's being received.. I was looking forward to it, ah well.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Not every book is going to be good. Though it is disappointing Heir to the Jedi sucked. I think I'll just skip it.


I've started it, but getting through it very slowly. Kind of feel like I have to read it just because it's Canon.

The first new canon material I'll skip will be probably be the sticker books. Or just generally material specifically targeted at children.

Definitely looking forward to the Ventress/Vos novel the most, and the one where Sidious/Vader have to work together seems cool

Originally posted by carthage
Definitely looking forward to the Ventress/Vos novel the most, and the one where Sidious/Vader have to work together seems cool

I wanna see Mara Jade reintroduced into the canon. Maybe in Aftermath or one of the new books between RotJ and TFA.

I'm hoping Boba ends up surviving the Sarlacc lol.

Originally posted by carthage
Definitely looking forward to the Ventress/Vos novel the most, and the one where Sidious/Vader have to work together seems cool


Can't wait for both of those.

Speaking of novels I just ordered this bad boy:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ezra%27s_Gamble

>Junior novel
> poorly rendered 3D art cover
> Ezra

do not want

Newsflash: The PT era sucks

Rebels isn't PT

Originally posted by Tzeentch
>Junior novel
> poorly rendered 3D art cover
> Ezra

do not want >Bossk

your argument is invalid bro

I don't think the stoic awesomeness of Bossk is epic enough to compensate for the black hole of personality that is Nihilism.

Bossk isn't a nihilist?

That sentence is mangled with typos and words not being where they're supposed to be, tbh. Oh well, too late now.

Those are my favourite kinds of sentences

Originally posted by ILS
Speaking of novels I just ordered this bad boy:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ezra%27s_Gamble Ryder Windham is cool.

Finished Heir to the Jedi. It wasn't bad Imo.

A lot about Luke learning to use the Force which I always like.

Buying it next check I read the first chapter when he fought those tie fighters in that borrowed shuttle. It didn't seem like a bad book, but I'm kind of numb to "bad material" after reading so much of Denning's books which vary in quality

Originally posted by carthage
I read the first chapter when he fought those tie fighters in that borrowed shuttle.

Yeah there's a lot of that as well. Luke's portrayed as a bad ass pilot. Defo worth reading.

So some heavy spoiler from TFN that I have shamelessly stolen (some of which may hint at what will happen in TFA).

SPOILERS:



"A seemingly important quote from Tashu, the shady former advisor to the emperor, when asked what the remaining officers should do.

"No Sith remains. And the lone Jedi that exists--the son of Anakin Skywalker--possesses an untouchable soul. At least for now. We must instead move towards the dark side. Palpatine felt that the universe beyond the edges of our map was where his power came from. Over the many years he, with our aid, sent men and women beyond known space. They built labs and communication stations on distant moons, asteroids, out there in the wilds. We must follow them. Retreat from the Galaxy. Go out beyond the veil of stars. We must seek the source of the dark side like a man looking for a wellspring of water."

Tashu's story ultimately leads to him getting captured by the New Republic, so I doubt he'll ever get the chance to see whatever the Emperor was doing out there. Mothma is Chancellor. Immediately moves to relinquish Palpatine's emergency powers and "demilitarize our government so galactic war cannot happen like this again." Plans to cut military by 90% when they are able to confirm an end to the war. She wants to help fund smaller militarized operations against the Empire forces. She has some advisors that agree with this line of thinking, but others that think this will lead to a series of smaller civil wars

There's a Tatooine interlude. They mention that there is still a power vacuum from Jabba's death.
In it, a guy named Adwin Charu (working for the red key company) goes on a Jawa Sandcrawler looking for high quality goods for his employer, not the trash they sell to just anybody. Meets a guy named Cobb Vanth, seems to have local knowledge. Cobb helps negotiate with the Jawas to show Adwin the rare goods. Amongst the rare goods are Hutt artifacts, parts of a sail barge, all burnt, twisted, and wrecked.
Also amongst the rare goods is a box. Adwin opens it, and it contains a full set of Mandalorian armor, "pitted and pocked as if with some kind of acid. Been through hell and back." Cobb claims it for himself, saying he is a newly appointed lawman. Cobb shoots Adwin and tells him to tell his boss to leave the sector or come after him and his "new--well, new to me--suit of armor." He leaves.

Oh yeah I forgot, there are Palpatine decoys being propped up by the Empire to convince people (in the capital and presumably elsewhere) that the Emperor is still alive, but it's not really fooling everybody.

There are references to Dexter Jettster and General Grievous. Also, one of the Interludes is about Dengar.

A Kubaz named Ooblamon is selling a red lightsaber in a trashed tenement in Taris. In the room is graffiti, and the author mentions a stencil of Vader's helmet with a phrase beneath it reading "VADER LIVES."
Three people try to by the lightsaber. A pale girl, and two in black robes. Faces concealed.
He asks who they are, she says "We are adherents. Acolytes of the Beyond."
He asks if they are dark side fanatics or just kids who want toys. She tell him to "judge us not, thief."
He warns them not to try to kill him once they get the saber. She says "we are not violent. Not yet."
He asks what they plan to do with it, she says "we will destroy it, so that it can be returned to its master in death." When they leave, the merchant's assistant asks if that was really Vader's saber, and he responds with a "who knows, who cares?"

There is an interlude featuring Han and Chewie on the Falcon. They are going on a low profile mission for the rebellion. It says that Han misses Luke, Leia, and even Lando, but it doesn't really touch on his relationship with any of them beyond that. Leia is only in the book in the form of a holovid speech towards the beginning of the book. Luke is NOT in the book. He is only mentioned, and some Imperial refers to him as the Rebellion's "golden boy"

Also worth mentioning, Han gets a message from a non-Alliance contact, Imra, that Kashyyyk (which is still in Empire control) has an opening that could be exploited to liberate the planet. It seems Imra wants Han and Chewie to help (with a team of other smugglers, mercenaries, and formerly enslaved Wookiees) liberate Kashyyyk, and they DON'T want the help of the New Republic.
Han agrees and goes off with Chewie to do this.

Wedge survives.

There's a very small group of Imperial leadership on Akiva. Admiral Sloane, who has command of what she claims is the last Super Star Destroyer. Moff Pandion (self proclaimed Grand Moff), who thinks there needs to be a strong, centralized emperor. The Satrap of the planet, who is a regional governor with little power. Arsin Crassus, a banker/slaver who helped fund the empire. And Tashu, the former adviser to Palpatine that I mention elsewhere.

At the end, it's revealed that Sloane (the only one of that batch to make it out of the Akiva conflict that the book covers) was reporting to a greater imperial Admiral, waiting deep in space. It's implied that he wanted the situation to go badly so that he could eliminate any competitors for power, and also see if Sloane was a capable admiral. I can't remember right now if he's mentioned earlier in the book, but I'll check tomorrow. Also I couldn't see if he was blue EDIT: I just checked earlier in the book. Apparently this is the "fleet admiral." Sloane lies to the other imperials early in the book about him being dead and her assuming command of his ships. They spoke of him highly as an officer.

Cloud City has an interlude. It is still in imperial hands, but it seems like Lando and Lobot are behind the scenes in an underground effort to liberate the city. They aren't seen, just spoken of. There is nothing having to do with Luke/Anakin's saber being found there.

The penultimate interlude scene is on Jakku. It's really a desolate place. Sounds like it's just sand forever. Deals with characters we don't know.
One of them says "Not many folks FROM here. Most folks...just end up here. Jettisoned like so much worthless cargo. Dropped like waste."
He later says "you don't get more nowhere than here."

Nothing on the Knights of Ren. One of the Imperials that plays a small part in the main story is a guy named Tashu. He was an advisor to Palpatine. Seems like he is well versed in Sith history, and definitely thinks the remnants of the empire should embrace the dark side. No powers or anything, though.

It seems the political situation on the capital planet is that it still has Imperial presence, but it's weakening. Underground attacks and mass riots have been undermining imperial presence there.

Corwin shows up on Jakku at a bar in an interlude chapter. He came to Jakku because he wanted to get as far from the fighting as he could. Seems like his family's dead and he's just trying to get away.

Somebody in the coruscant interlude mentions a secret passage or something behind Dex's Diner.
One of the protagonists has a vibroblade wielding modified battle droid fighting for him. He mentions that he programmed its combat from multiple sources, including "some cyborg general from the Clone Wars."

The book sort of culminates with a mass riot/rebellion of its citizens. The Satrap is overthrown, the empire flees, and it becomes the first planet in the Outer Rim to officially welcome the New Republic, setting an example for other outer rim planets."

Easily the most interesting tidbit from this (at least for me) is the dark side stuff. Could Snoke and the Knights of Ren originate from beyond the universe and have been the predecessors of the Sith?

That post needs a tldr.

Seems like a complete cluster ****. Hopefully it's written well.

Snoke > Sidious confirmed

Probably tbh

I think 20 novels is a bit excessive. They could probably pull it off with a trilogy or even a series of 5 books, but 20 is way to ****ing much

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I think 20 novels is a bit excessive. They could probably pull it off with a trilogy or even a series of 5 books, but 20 is way to ****ing much I misnamed the title. There are going to be 20 books, like Q99 said, which would include kids books and stuff like that. Not all 20 will be full-on legit novels.

So apparently in the new YA book Lost Stars:

The battle of Jakku takes place a year after Endor and is the biggest battle since. The Imperial fleet is soundly defeated and the remnants sign a peace treaty with the New Republic, though Mothma urges the NR to remain in fighting trim and alert.

Has anyone read The Weapon of a Jedi?

So I've read both Aftermath and Lost Stars and thought they were horrible. The kids books were thankfully far better.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Has anyone read The Weapon of a Jedi?

Yes, thought it was quite good.

I heard lightsaber forms as we know them in Legends were being canonized in a sourcebook or novel. Any news on this or something along those lines?

Originally posted by ILS
I heard lightsaber forms as we know them in Legends were being canonized in a sourcebook or novel. Any news on this or something along those lines?

Yes.

Not bothering with either of them. These Canon books have been middling as ****

Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Ayyyyyy.

Soresu: A defensive form, for fighting in tight quarters.

Let's shut up about that thing in the cave now.

wat book is dat, ares?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
wat book is dat, ares?

The book where Snoke shits on Sidious's corpse

Originally posted by The_Tempest
wat book is dat, ares?

http://www.starwars.com/news/introducing-star-wars-absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know

Originally posted by ILS
Soresu: A defensive form, for fighting in tight quarters.

Let's shut up about that thing in the cave now.

This assumes Kenobi was using Soresu in the duel (ironically in the novelization version he wasn't though I guess that's non-canon now).

Mm, true.

Still.

Good, they brought back Vaapad in the EU.

Also looks like Savage uses Niman.

Originally posted by ares834
http://www.starwars.com/news/introducing-star-wars-absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know



This assumes Kenobi was using Soresu in the duel (ironically in the novelization version he wasn't though I guess that's non-canon now).

Awesome. Do anyone of you have the book?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also looks like Savage uses Niman. Good observation.

:iwin:

Hopefully the Sith have their own forms. But considering how much of a regurgitation the nuEU is of the old it's unlikely.

Yoda is said to be "perhaps the greatest master of the Force" in history.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is said to be "perhaps the greatest master of the Force" in history.

Sidious getting outclassed in new canon

Not when canon sources say Yoda was outmatched by Sidious. excellent

Yoda is only "perhaps" history's greatest master of the Force... because Sidious definitely is. stoned

Sidious > The Anchorites tbh

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Good, they brought back Vaapad in the EU.

All it says is that it's fast and unpredictable. Nothing's to say that it's old rules still apply.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is said to be "perhaps the greatest master of the Force" in history.

Quote me.

Krell is likely a Niman user as well.

Originally posted by ares834
http://www.starwars.com/news/introducing-star-wars-absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know



This assumes Kenobi was using Soresu in the duel (ironically in the novelization version he wasn't though I guess that's non-canon now).


Well it still calls Ataru the acrobatic form. And Kenobi used a lot of acrobatics in that fight, which is actually disadvantaged in a closed space.

He probably mixed up Ataru and Soresu in that fight tbh.


Originally posted by ares834
considering how much of a regurgitation the nuEU is of the old


Yep that's been clear for a while.


Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Good, they brought back Vaapad in the EU.


That was obvious since Ultimate SW stated Mace's style treaded the dark side.

Interestingly enough though, it's Djem So that's said to Turn an Opponents attack back onto them. So would make more sense if Mace used Djem So on Sidious


Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is said to be "perhaps the greatest master of the Force" in history.


Yay!

Where?

Djem So was always about strong counters. Not sure why that sounds new to you.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Djem So was always about strong counters. Not sure why that sounds new to you.


Because it was stated as a side thing (and never really shown). Now they've got that up as it's main description. So just saying now it would make more sense if that's what was used against Sidious, to deflect his own Power back onto him in a Saber battle.

Except it's not about reflection of Force power? It's about blade turning, which is completely different.

Hopefully, they've dropped the whole "loop" thing with Vaapad. It was always stupid as hell and only ever appeared in the RotS novelization.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except it's not about reflection of Force power? It's about blade turning, which is completely different.

I know but "Reflection of Dark Side Force Power" makes little sense, and has been a nightmare to deal with in debates. Especially since it was never displayed again.



Originally posted by ares834
Hopefully, they've dropped the whole "loop" thing with Vaapad. It was always stupid as hell and only ever appeared in the RotS novelization.

RE: Yoda

In the book ares mentioned, DP. I'll try to get you a pic l8r.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I know but "Reflection of Dark Side Force Power" makes little sense, and has been a nightmare to deal with in debates. Especially since it was never displayed again.







So Djem So should get on the short bus because Vaapad sounds dumb in the novel? Not getting the rational there.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So Djem So should get on the short bus because Vaapad sounds dumb in the novel? Not getting the rational there.


Would make more sense to me that's all.

Cause, yeah, so far Vapaad's superconducting loop makes no sense at all to anybody here, no matter how much they claim they get it.
And Djem So's turning an opponent's attack back onto them would be a lot more rational and logical as an effective way to fight someone as Powerful and Aggressive as Sidious IMO.

They obviously won't do that though, seen as they're keeping Vapaad, and Mace's form is confirmed to skirt the Dark Side.




Originally posted by The_Tempest
RE: Yoda

In the book ares mentioned, DP. I'll try to get you a pic l8r.


Thanks, I've ordered the book now anyway

Thing is, as I said, Form V has always done that. A better option would just be to make Vaapad make far more sense, or at least explain it more.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Thing is, as I said, Form V has always done that.


True, especially Shien. But with Djem So, it's main thing was it was always a strength based form, aimed at dominating opponents. In fact I remember bringing up the deflecting part up in Anakin debates here years ago and people were like "yeah whatever".

Now the Deflecting attacks is the main summary of both variations of the form.


Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A better option would just be to make Vaapad make far more sense, or at least explain it more.

Which I like honestly. I hate the treatment it often gets of being just brute strength, and smashing sabers together. People are stupid.

DP, take it from me: the guy who has spent far too much money on SW books... You should be judicious. This book is cool but is most definitely not worth the price lol.

I can get you that picture when I get home.

Yoda is also called one of the most powerful and respected Jedi ever, possessing legendary Force power and lightsaber combat expertise, is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat, has trained an estimated 20k students across 800 years, etc.

Holy shit.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is also called one of the most powerful and respected Jedi ever, possessing legendary Force power and lightsaber combat expertise, is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat, has trained an estimated 20k students across 800 years, etc.

Post the quote you ****nugget

Tempest, is there any combat-related information regarding Ahsoka and/or Vader?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is also called one of the most powerful and respected Jedi ever, possessing legendary Force power and lightsaber combat expertise, is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat, has trained an estimated 20k students across 800 years, etc.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/7cd0bb524575a72c6c65a2a5f0fcaddf/tumblr_inline_my13sbyDq31rz60rk.gif

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Tempest, is there any combat-related information regarding Ahsoka and/or Vader?

Didn't pay enough attention, honestly. I flipped thru it for like 10 mins.

So the pix aren't sending from my phone. Guess this'll have to go the hard way:









Also:

Mace Windu is called "the council's greatest battlefield general and warrior" and Sidious is said to have killed Plagueis "after learning everything he knows."

Mace > Yoda

Originally posted by The_Tempest
DP, take it from me: the guy who has spent far too much money on SW books... You should be judicious. This book is cool but is most definitely not worth the price lol.

I can get you that picture when I get home.


Well I didn't bother with Source Books in the past, knowing that Lucas ignored them, and probably never even looked at one of them. But now that it's all a unified Canon, I think they're worth having.

Will see how long my interest in them lasts.



Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yoda is also called one of the most powerful and respected Jedi ever, possessing legendary Force power and lightsaber combat expertise, is a master of all forms of lightsaber combat, has trained an estimated 20k students across 800 years, etc.







Originally posted by The_Tempest


Mace Windu is called "the council's greatest battlefield general and warrior"


Oh great. So people who want to argue Mace >/= Yoda (and Sidious) can still hang onto this quote.

Mace is also called "Champion" of the Order on the official site.

So flipped through it and I found one thing of intrest. They list the "top 5 red lightsaber wielders" and Sidious isn't number 1. Any guesses who is?

Tulak Hord.

Nailed it.

Hord > Sidious as a duelist? Figures.

EDIT: who were the others on the list?

1. Vader
2. Palpatine
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress

LOL

laem that's popularity contest then

i thought Hord transcended canon/legends split

Originally posted by ares834
1. Vader
2. Palpatine
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress

That honestly makes no sense.

It's canon now Vader > Sidious in sabers

Suck it Tempest

Originally posted by ares834
1. Vader
2. Palpatine
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress

Originally posted by ares834
Nailed it.

That wasn't a guess. It was a fact and then a full stop.


That's a dumb as shit list though.

Originally posted by ares834
1. Vader

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/excellent.gif

Ares can you post a scan of the list?

I didn't buy the book, but I did take a pic.

http://imgur.com/Er6vbAI

Make of it what you will.

I mean...it doesn't say in any particular order of power. It just says these are the top 5 Sith duelists. But how can that list be right if Vos isn't on there.

Originally posted by ares834
1. Vader
2. Palpatine
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/excellent.gif

^Joker preparing his body for Ahsoka>Sidious

Originally posted by NewGuy01
^Joker preparing his body for Ahsoka>Sidious http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a91afe41c44c44d53f9e875aeb6bb6f/tumblr_inline_nne74s1jm81t1ns0z_540.png

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean...it doesn't say in any particular order of power. It just says these are the top 5 Sith duelists. But how can that list be right if Vos isn't on there. Vos's saber is green. http://r30.imgfast.net/users/3013/11/32/39/smiles/1341734200.gif

Inb4 Vader vs Yoda Jensaarai #2.

Ventress > Savage confirmed.

I guess he would be considered a Sith now too, wouldn't he?

Yeah and Maul is also above Dooku now.

Originally posted by carthage
Inb4 Vader vs Yoda Jensaarai #2. LOL

Originally posted by ares834
I didn't buy the book, but I did take a pic.

http://imgur.com/Er6vbAI

Make of it what you will.


Ah it's just a top 5. Not Most Powerful, or Most Skilled, or even Best.

In the top 10 villains on the official site Tarkin was no.3 and Maul was no.4. Obviously doesn't mean Tarkin could take Maul in a fight.

However that list does point out that Vader's armour still slows him down in the new canon. So it's still possible ROTS Anakin > Vader in Sabers, despite Vader having grown more Powerful.

Why would it slow him down?

In canon he's deflected omnidrectional blaster fire from freighters etc, and moved his lightsaber fast enough to cover himself in its red glow/turn the air red.

Obviously his mobility isn't an issue, if he can flip around and dodge attacks from massive Lyleks either.

Originally posted by carthage
Why would it slow him down?

In canon he's deflected omnidrectional blaster fire from freighters etc, and moved his lightsaber fast enough to cover himself in its red glow/turn the air red.

Obviously his mobility isn't an issue, if he can flip around and dodge attacks from massive Lyleks either.


Just shows he'd be even faster than that if not in the suit.

Or maybe it hasn't hindered him as much as people think, or that it being a hindrance is largely a notion based off of the outdated and unchoreographed movements of the OT?

Originally posted by carthage
Or maybe it hasn't hindered him as much as people think, or that it being a hindrance is largely a notion based off of the outdated and unchoreographed movements of the OT?


Or It says it on that top 5 thing above:

http://imgur.com/Er6vbAI

Even when slowed down by his armor, Darth Vader is a truly lethal opponent.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Or It says it on that top 5 thing above:

http://imgur.com/Er6vbAI

Even when slowed down by his armor, Darth Vader is a truly lethal opponent.

Even then, that just makes his speed feats more impressive. Also, the list uses words like lightsaber skill or lethal opponenet, so it's skill based.

Didn't he also keep up with Sidious at certain points in LOTS?

Originally posted by carthage
Didn't he also keep up with Sidious at certain points in LOTS?

He also moved faster than him at one point, but given that Palpatine showed "so little of his true power", the value of those feats is questionable.

*nevermind

Does anyone have a link/scan for the Jedi list?

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Even then, that just makes his speed feats more impressive.


Point is his speed/mobility isn't proportional to his power level.



Originally posted by Nargaroth
Also, the list uses words like lightsaber skill or lethal opponenet, so it's skill based.


Nah, it mentions "Power" as well in Ventress's description.

It's just a top 5. Like the top 10 Villain's list, except it's narrowed it down to "Red Saber Wielders".




Originally posted by carthage
Didn't he also keep up with Sidious at certain points in LOTS?



No, not really. The closest was when he moved quicker than Sidious to stop him killing that girl.

But at the end Vader makes it clear the whole thing was a test and Sidious was holding back on his true power the whole time.

He was also matching him in running speed when the Lyleks stampeded through the forests iirc.

Originally posted by carthage
He was also matching him in running speed when the Lyleks stampeded through the forests iirc.


Like I said, Sidious was holding back on his true power the whole time. That's according to Vader anyway.


Doesn't matter anyway, because it wasn't Vader at his Prime.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Point is his speed/mobility isn't proportional to his power level.

I didn't say it is, just that Vader's feats would be better because of that, not the other way around, since he has to struggle with his suit.




It is a description of their combat style/how dangerous they are, and "power" means skill in this context. I honestly don't understand how it's comparable to a notoriety list or a top 10 villain list. Unless you want to argue that it's a list about who has the most cool combat style.

Originally posted by Nargaroth


It is a description of their combat style/how dangerous they are, and "power" means skill in this context. I honestly don't understand how it's comparable to a notoriety list or a top 10 villain list. Unless you want to argue that it's a list about who has the most cool combat style.


Because it doesn't say Top 5- Best, Most Skilled, Most Powerful or Most Lethal Duelists.

And you can't say Power = Skill. Skill contributed to Power, but it's Power that's mentioned, not Skill.

It's just a description of each of their Saber abilities. It means nothing about the ranking.

In the Top 10 Villains, it mentions Darth Maul Agility and Deadliness as well. Does that mean Tarkin is more Agile and Deadlier than Maul? No.