Star Wars: Rogue One

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DARTH POWER
Well we have an official title for the first stand alone:


http://www.starwars.com/news/rogue-one-is-the-first-star-wars-stand-alone-film-rian-johnson-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-viii?linkId=12857863

JediRobin23
They should have called it rogue squadron. Like the game.

Anyway, there going to make a bunch of movies until they start to suck or when they stop making money

queeq
Or we get good and sucky movies. Like the ST movies.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by queeq
Or we get good and sucky movies. Like the ST movies.

...and the SW movies wink

DARTH POWER
Well Marvel has managed like 90% of their movies being Good-Great, so seen as SW has the same parent company, that's not an impossibility.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Marvel has managed like 90% of their movies being Good-Great,

i assume you mean disney's marvel, specifically. still disagree tho.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i assume you mean disney's marvel, specifically.


Yes, well Marvel Studios. I think IM1 was put out by Marvel studios before Disney bought Marvel.

ares834
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Marvel has managed like 90% of their movies being Good-Great, so seen as SW has the same parent company, that's not an impossibility.

I really hope they are considerably better than most Marvel films.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by ares834
I really hope they are considerably better than most Marvel films.

That may be expecting a bit much with a new SW film every year.

I would expect the main Trilogy to be Avengers level but Ignoring the IM and Thor sequels I'd be pretty happy with Marvel Studios quality overall.

What I'm not holding them to is A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back quality every year. That's a bit much to demand even with the main Trilogy Imho.

|King Joker|
We should get a new trilogy/standalone film section(s) of KMC, if that's possible.

As for the film, I hope Gareth does a good job, 'cause personally I thought Gidzilla was pretty lame.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by |King Joker|


As for the film, I hope Gareth does a good job, 'cause personally I thought Gidzilla was pretty lame.


thumb up

JediRobin23
I read that Disney is gonna release like 20 books or something between ep 6 and ep 7. Ok, sure, that's fine in the eu. However, are these Disney movies only gonna be canon now? Or all movies and books? Or no movie or book at all? So confused.....

Bashar Teg
but is it EU? disney sets the rules now, so it's up to them i think.


know what? forget it. where did i put that 40' pole...

|King Joker|
The new books along with the standalone films and they new trilogy are all considered canon.

Bashar Teg
whoa! source?

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
whoa! source?

Not sure if you were joking but here:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/04/disney-and-del-rey-announce-new-qunified-canonq-for-upcoming-star-wars-expanded-universe-novels

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not sure if you were joking but here:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/04/disney-and-del-rey-announce-new-qunified-canonq-for-upcoming-star-wars-expanded-universe-novels

was not joking at all. thanks for the info.

i hope that means that they are willing to accept the responsability of no contradictions.

JediRobin23
Yep. Messed up. Ep7-9 thought might be canon, but whats a standalone movie?

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
was not joking at all. thanks for the info.

i hope that means that they are willing to accept the responsability of no contradictions.


That's my fear, that they're going to put out so much material(20 new novels being set between Episodes 6 and 7 announced this week) that they decide to go back to the G-Canon, T-canon, C-canon rubbish as soon as the inevitable contradictions start popping up.

Star Trek's another huge Universe that has had plenty of contradictions over the decades. It will happen, it's bound to. But treat it like Star Trek does- Which is to say "That's a mistake which we will just ignore. Maybe we will come up with an explanation for it. Maybe we won't. Either way we try our best to be consistent and treat everything as canon."

What Star Trek has never said is "Oh well in case of contradictions the Star Trek movies take precedence over The Next Generation movies which take precedence over the Original series which takes precedence over the Next Generation series which takes precedence over Deep Space Nine e.t.c e.t.c.".

No, all the Star Trek series and movies were canon. Any contradictions are simply mistakes. It's OK to have mistakes. So now Disney has announced Every new Star Wars material in any medium is just as Canon as the other, I really hope they stick to that.

JediRobin23
Hmmm.. Ep1-6, absolute canon. Anything else we see, fans decide......

queeq
But we don't. hehehe. All we get is fights in forums like these (for as long as they will continue to exist).

Yeah, the Marvel comparison is rather comforting. The only difference is though: Marvel has a huge amount of source material. SW hasn't, it has to be made Indiana Jones style: making it up as they go. And that might be tad slippery.

JediRobin23
Why does badger tag have to be like that??????

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by JediRobin23
Hmmm.. Ep1-6, absolute canon. Anything else we see, fans decide......
no they don't. confused

queeq
Like what?

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by queeq


Yeah, the Marvel comparison is rather comforting. The only difference is though: Marvel has a huge amount of source material. SW hasn't, it has to be made Indiana Jones style: making it up as they go. And that might be tad slippery.

Well technically there is all the Old Eu stuff they can borrow from or base stories on. But yeah I agree that comic book movies have a big advantage when it comes to source material.

queeq
But the EU stuff, is EU... they are free to discard it anyway they want. The EU has no real validity, there is no basis from which to start.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by queeq
But the EU stuff, is EU... they are free to discard it anyway they want. The EU has no real validity, there is no basis from which to start.


It's same with Marvel films though. For instance with Captain America:Civil War coming next year, they were free to discard the Civil War storyline from the comics. And even when they're adapting it they're free to change as much as they want from the source material.

So in much the same way the Old EU has no real validity for SW Canon, the Marvel comics really have no validity for the Marvel films, but it just gives them tons of ideas they can draw from.

queeq
Yeah, but the movies are BASED on the comics. The EU is BASED on the original movies. So to base movies on books and comics based on movies is rather diluting the material.

Marvel is using the characters from their extensive library of published comics in which the characters and villains are well established. To adapt that for the screen is quite a different matter than using EU tidbits in SW movies. The Marvel comics ARE the source, the EU is NOT the source for SW.

|King Joker|
But there's still a lot of original material from the EU that the new movies could draw from, adapt and evolve.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by |King Joker|
But there's still a lot of original material from the EU that the new movies could draw from, adapt and evolve.


Yeah like the Thrawn trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, Force Unleashed, all the TOR stuff..

So point is they don't have to make every story from scratch. They've already done that with TCW, introduced EU characters like Quinlan Vos, had story arcs based on EU Stories like the Republic Slaves one.

Of course they don't have anywhere near the "quality" material that Marvel has to draw from, so there will be a lot more stories that have to be made up from scratch. But it is something to help at least.

queeq
True, but i doubt they will do that. I'm sure there will be some licensing issues with the authors. I know Lucasfilsm retains the publishing rights, but the authors are not without rights. It's cheaper and more flexible to work with new stuff. Not to mention the fact that the EU often contradicts.

ares834

queeq
Darn... too late...

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