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Two powerful Dark Lords face off against each other. Who wins? This is a FORCE ONLY match-up. Battle takes place on Vjun. There are debris scattered all over the arena.

Tyranus.

Force only, huh?

Well, one thing's for certain: Nyriss's lightning is superior. Don't know if her overall Force prowess is superior, tho. Even though what she has shown puts her on a very high level, she still hasn't shown much other than what she showed in Revan. It's hard to say.

Which all benefited from her custom-made amplification center. Tyranus on the other hand has vastly superior TK and Force defense feats.

There is no proof of this 'custom made amplification center', other than DK being a nexus.

You mean besides the trove of Sith paraphernalia throughout her own compound?

So what? Did she use any of that during her fight against Scourge and Meetra? I don't see where you're getting this from.

As of late, amps have been wanked more than actual characters at times.

Regardless Dromund Kaas is a potent nexus, and Nyriss has the advantage of having FL written by Drew Karpyshyn.

Dooku's TK does seem to be a lot better, yeah.

Setting's Vjun, so it should amp them both. Makes a Force bout more interesting.

Problem with Nyriss she has few feats due to her very small appearance in Revan. I consider her to be actually more or less on Dooku's level forcewise, but that's me.

Same.

Dooku really wishes he could his saber.

However, he'll manage without it.

Against Nyriss? No, he won't. He has just work cut out for him.

Tyranus has better Force feats than un-amped Nyriss, his TK feats are hilariously better and an FLS attack? his Tutaminis is more than enough.

I disagree partially. Thing is, the setting is Vjun, which happens to be a nexus, so this is amped Nyriss he's going against. The same Nyriss that turned herself into ashes with her lightning.

Tyranus owned Ventress with a flick of his finger on Vjun (literally) Nyriss doesn't stand a chance against his TK.

Nyriss >>> Ventress, forcewise.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Nyriss >>> Ventress, forcewise.

Obviously. But none of her feats suggest she has the TK chops to defeat her by literally lifting a finger. Its not the who so much as the what. Dooku almost killed her by just tapping his finger.

I agree we don't have almost anything regarding Nyriss's TK, I just doubt Dooku would be able to do the same thing to her with his TK.

Nyriss's notable TK feat in combat situation is sending Scourge crashing into a nearby wall without a gesture. Scourge was as strong as Exile (Meetra), as of this point.

In addition, Nyriss's defensive potential was such that Scourge unleashed a blast of power on her that would have sent a standard Jedi packing across the hall but such force just slightly nudged Nyriss.

So yes, Nyriss is very good in the matters of TK, based on even limited information.

And, I don't think that Dooku can cope with Nyriss's deadly lightning bursts and sorcery for long.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Dooku really wishes he could his saber.
Nyriss outdueled Scourge and Meetra simultaneously. Keep this in mind.

Corrections & rebuttals:

1.Scourge believes she would provide him with a real challenge, which is just stating the obvious really.

2.Dooku's 'defensive potential' allowed him to face opponents such as Master Yoda on fairly even grounds.

3.Tyranus has faced far stronger sorcerers in Mother Talzin and survived worse than we see Nyriss dish out.

4.She basically speed-blitzed them, Dooku is far faster and more skilled than either of them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nyriss's notable TK feat in combat situation is sending Scourge crashing into a nearby wall without a gesture. Scourge was as strong as Exile (Meetra), as of this point.

In addition, Nyriss's defensive potential was such that Scourge unleashed a blast of power on her that would have sent a standard Jedi packing across the hall but such force just slightly nudged Nyriss.

So yes, Nyriss is very good in the matters of TK, based on even limited information.

And, I don't think that Dooku can cope with Nyriss's deadly lightning bursts and sorcery for long.

A gesture is all fine and good. But Dooku nearly killed a Scourge level combatant with the tap of a finger, and she couldn't do shit. Not to mention ragdolling Kenobi, sending Anakin packing and deflecting redirected lightning from Yoda. I bet his lightning would be able to ash people on a DS nexus.

I don't see that Dooku feat as that big of a deal, he hit her preemptively outside of combat and in such a painful way that she couldn't defend herself. In an actual fight he can't do that to her.

Also no way is Dooku ashing someone.

Dooku might possibly have better TK (something we have to assume due to the lack of showings Nyriss has in this area compared to him), but I think Nyriss has better lightning.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Dooku might possibly have better TK (something we have to assume due to the lack of showings Nyriss has in this area compared to him), but I think Nyriss has better lightning.


Occam's Razor. Dooku does have better TK there is no might possibly. By that same logic Dooku might possibly have better lighting than Nyriss.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Occam's Razor. Dooku does have better TK there is no might possibly. By that same logic Dooku might possibly have better lighting than Nyriss.

Nyriss is an uknown in TK. There is not way to prove hers is weaker than Dooku's, just like there is no way to prove it's stronger. We have practically nothing on that area.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Nyriss is an uknown in TK. There is not way to prove hers is weaker than Dooku's, just like there is no way to prove it's stronger. We have practically nothing on that area.


That's not the way that works. The burden of proof is on you to prove Nyriss has superior or similar TK to Tyranus. If you can't then the argument doesn't hold. We know she is able to throw around Scourge and Meetra. But I don't see that as above what Dooku did to Ventress on Vjun.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's not the way that works. The burden of proof is on you to prove Nyriss has superior or similar TK to Tyranus. If you can't then the argument doesn't hold. We know she is able to throw around Scourge and Meetra. But I don't see that as above what Dooku did to Ventress on Vjun.

I know the burden of proof is on me, that's why I said we have to assume Dooku has better TK. If I didn't say it, I thought it.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I know the burden of proof is on me, that's why I said we have to assume Dooku has better TK. If I didn't say it, I thought it.

Then we are in agreement

Dooku wins excellent

Even off Vjun, Dooku could ragdoll Ventress quite easily.

^Indeed, even late CWs Ventress gets casually tooled by Tyranus aboard the Separatist Dreadnought once the Count gets serious.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Even off Vjun, Dooku could ragdoll Ventress quite easily.

Not that easily.

Easily enough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not that easily.


I mean he disarmed her pretty easily once Savage wasn't around anymore.

Dooku stomps.

His precognition is such that he could foresee the moves of Ventress and two other nightsisters before they developed while his senses were dampened. He'd foresee what Nyriss is planning on doing and bombard her with object after object before she does it, then force grip her and finish her with lightning.

Dooku has tossed ships like they were nothing in JQ: The Final Showdown on Korriban for what that is worth. He also created a lightning barrier for whatever that's worth.


Idk if this impressive but he also ragdolled Anakin pre-AOTC

Dooku solidly

Originally posted by Lord Stark
A gesture is all fine and good. But Dooku nearly killed a Scourge level combatant with the tap of a finger, and she couldn't do shit. Not to mention ragdolling Kenobi, sending Anakin packing and deflecting redirected lightning from Yoda. I bet his lightning would be able to ash people on a DS nexus.
Ventress is good but she is no Sith Lord. I don't find her to be Scourge level combatant.

I am aware of that Dooku's feat but Ventress may have been caught off-guard in that time. In another confrontation, Ventress didn't end-up choked in this manner though Dooku soundly defeated her.

Dooku is undoubtedly very strong but so is Nyriss. The latter have spent decades as a practitioner of Sith Sorcery and have advantage in this manner.

We haven't seen much from Nyriss unfortunately, thanks to lousy writing of an author but we shouldn't assume that Nyriss cannot compete with the likes of Dooku.

Nyriss overwhelmed both Scourge and Meetra simultaneously, and I find this showing on par with Dooku's performance against Yoda (I am being generous in this case because Scourge and Meetra are both heavyweights in their own right and not to be underestimated).

As for the lightning, I don't think that Dooku is as proficient in its use as Nyriss.