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New 52 Wondy and Cassie vs Female Thor and Marvel Angela.

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Going with Team 2. Wonder Girl isn't beating Angela, or Thor. Either Angela or Thor would be a competitive fight for Diana one on one.

Wondergirl is a weak link.

Yeah, team 2 after a decent fight.

It is only now that I realize how utterly ridiculous Wonder Woman's, Wonder Girl's and Angela's outfits are compared to Thor's.

Originally posted by carver9
Wondergirl is a weak link.

What if she gets her Silent Armor?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What if she gets her Silent Armor?



So u want to give WG an upgrade?

Originally posted by Supermex
So u want to give WG an upgrade?

I think she still has the armor. She finally realized it's potential in one of the arcs.

Originally posted by ODG
It is only now that I realize how utterly ridiculous Wonder Woman's, Wonder Girl's and Angela's outfits are compared to Thor's.

Hmm. Do you mean the part about Thor being the only one that could run up the boulevard without having a major wardrobe malfunction?

Originally posted by Supermex
So u want to give WG an upgrade?
It's not an upgrade.

I'm not overly familiar with the new Wonder Girl.

Any feats?

And Angela's costume looks ridiculous.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm not overly familiar with the new Wonder Girl.

Any feats?

And Angela's costume looks ridiculous.
Was going a few rounds with Superboy early in New 52 Titans. Owned Loose Canon who was smacking around Kid Flash and Bunker.

When her "silent armor" started to manifest, she wrecked Bart, Bunker, and Solstice. Was overpowering Superboy..

Not enough tbh.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Was going a few rounds with Superboy early in New 52 Titans. Owned Loose Canon who was smacking around Kid Flash and Bunker.

When her "silent armor" started to manifest, she wrecked Bart, Bunker, and Solstice. Was overpowering Superboy..

Team 1 has to much power, and WW can beat that version Thor any day.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Team 1 has to much power, and WW can beat that version Thor any day.

The female version? What has she done that puts her over current WW?

Originally posted by Golgo13
The female version? What has she done that puts her over current WW?
What are you talking about?

Did you not understand TI's post?

In no way did he imply that female Thor was stronger than WW

Originally posted by krisblaze
What are you talking about?

Did you not understand TI's post?

In no way did he imply that female Thor was stronger than WW

I guess not. I usually skim posts.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I guess not. I usually skim posts.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Team 1 has to much power, and WW can beat that version Thor any day.


Don't be ridiculous. Thor has the same amount of power as her male counterpart did. Angela's first instinct is to cut your face off, and sort out the pieces when the smoke clears. Team 1 does not have more power, it's the other way around.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough tbh.
So you're saying I pulled a prep-man here...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So you're saying I pulled a prep-man here...



Can you list the best Angela feats?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Can you list the best Angela feats?
Wearing a ready for porn costume.

Good enough for me.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Can you list the best Angela feats?

Combat wise, she's out of Cassie's league, and in the big leagues with Wonder Woman, Gamora, Big Barda, Sif and any other physically dominant female character that can actually fight like a Top Tier MA. Cassie isn't in that exclusive club.

I forget the name of those hell warriors, but I believe that the are cursed Valkyries, and are in service to Hela. Angela just made them look like first class wimps, and these girls are feared from here to eternity. Angela isn't the weak link here if you were seeking to exploit her. Cassie remains the weak link.

Originally posted by Stoic
Combat wise, she's out of Cassie's league, and in the big leagues with Wonder Woman, Gamora, Big Barda, Sif and any other physically dominant female character that can actually fight like a Top Tier MA. Cassie isn't in that exclusive club.

I forget the name of those hell warriors, but I believe that the are cursed Valkyries, and are in service to Hela. Angela just made them look like first class wimps, and these girls are feared from here to eternity. Angela isn't the weak link here if you were seeking to exploit her. Cassie remains the weak link.

I don't see Angela in WW league at all. She hasn't proven herself yet. With Silent Armor, it's capable of shrugging off attacks from Trigon himself. At least a young Trigon. That's how powerful she can be.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't see Angela in WW league at all. She hasn't proven herself yet. With Silent Armor, it's capable of shrugging off attacks from Trigon himself. At least a young Trigon. That's how powerful she can be.

Combat wise she is in Diana's league. She has yet to perform any solid lifting feats, but since we know that she can hit very hard we know that she has some level of super strength likely well above the class 50 mark. Being able to contend evenly, and actually dominate Gamora is another very solid point for her. Cassie doesn't have the chops to compete with that. None of the people that she has confronted have moves remotely as skilled as Gamora.

Angela is also wearing mystical armor currently, but I really wouldn't attempt to imply that her armor is the reason behind her deadliness. Power is one thing, the skill to use that power is another. Again Angela isn't the weak link here, Cassie is.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Good enough for me.
But seriously though... She has a few notable ones.

Slapping around Thor(albeit weakened).
Beat Gamora on the moon. Was close to slicing her head off had not the rest of the Guardians showed up.
Was getting the better of the GoTG until Quill blasted her with lightning. Apparently lightning can hurt her.

Supposedly she is the greatest warrior of Heven.
She did a bunch of off panel things like breaking "the moons of Khali-247" and some high adventure stuffs.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But seriously though... She has a few notable ones.

Slapping around Thor(albeit weakened).
Beat Gamora on the moon. Was close to slicing her head off had not the rest of the Guardians showed up.
Was getting the better of the GoTG until Quill blasted her with lightning. Apparently lightning can hurt her.

Supposedly she is the gratest warrior of Heven.
She did a bunch of off panel things like breaking "the moons of Khali-247" and some high adventure stuffs.

I'd actually give Cass even grounds with her, with her Silent Armor. She doesn't always use it, but if she did, she has slightly better feats than Angela. I'm sure Angela will probably surpass her at one point, but I'd bet for team 1 for now.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't see Angela in WW league at all. She hasn't proven herself yet. With Silent Armor, it's capable of shrugging off attacks from Trigon himself. At least a young Trigon. That's how powerful she can be.
Yes... Silent armor has crazy potential. It was built to fight Trigon(pretty uber actually). As to how much of it she has mastered, only time will tell.

Not sure if she has better feats though. Probably give the nod to Angela. I made the thread knowing Wondy has the best feats of the lot ,so it kinda mitigates Cassie as being the weak link even though she's not actually weak.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But seriously though... She has a few notable ones.

Slapping around Thor(albeit weakened).
Beat Gamora on the moon. Was close to slicing her head off had not the rest of the Guardians showed up.
Was getting the better of the GoTG until Quill blasted her with lightning. Apparently lightning can hurt her.

Supposedly she is the gratest warrior of Heven.
She did a bunch of off panel things like breaking "the moons of Khali-247" and some high adventure stuffs.

Yep Angela is a very dangerous character. Thor, and Cassie are suspect when it comes to actual combat, but Thor is more powerful than Cassie. I can actually see Angela taking on Diana if this were in a comic, and Thor taking it to Cassie based on personality clashes/combat attraction. I'd place Cassie's skills at around Supergirl's level, or slightly below. We saw how easily Diana who actually has a high level of combat skill dealt with Supergirl.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes... Silent armor has crazy potential. It was built to fight Trigon(pretty uber actually). As to how much of it she has mastered, only time will tell.

Not sure if she has better feats though. Probably give the nod to Angela. I made the thread knowing Wondy has the best feats of the lot ,so it kinda mitigates Cassie as being the weak link even though she's not actually weak.

If she is, it's not by a lot and WW has Thor beat here. Cassie can keep Angela at bay for a while (With Silent Armor) and then they tag team Angela for the solid win.

Originally posted by Golgo13
If she is, it's not by a lot and WW has Thor beat here. Cassie can keep Angela at bay for a while (With Silent Armor) and then they tag team Angela for the solid win.
So Wondy and Cass "tag team Angela".

There's something very appealing in this.. Can't quite put my finger on it. Hmmm?

Originally posted by Golgo13
If she is, it's not by a lot and WW has Thor beat here. Cassie can keep Angela at bay for a while (With Silent Armor) and then they tag team Angela for the solid win.

No she can't. Angela would catch Cassie sleeping, and making critical missteps the moment that they faced off against each other, and then she'd take her head. Power does not equal combat expertise. Cassie is an inexperienced combatant, and if you took away her powers, she'd be less skilled than Angela, Gamora, Sif, Diana, and Barda; all of which have actually had a lifetime of combat training. Cassie would want no part of Angela at the top of her game. Angela would take it to Diana the minute she saw her. Thor would dominate Cassie.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So Wondy and Cass "tag team Angela".

There's something very appealing in this.. Can't quite put my finger on it. Hmmm?

LOL!

Originally posted by Stoic
No she can't. Angela would catch Cassie sleeping, and making critical missteps the moment that they faced off against each other, and then she'd take her head. Power does not equal combat expertise. Cassie is an inexperienced combatant, and if you took away her powers, she'd be less skilled than Angela, Gamora, Sif, Diana, and Barda; all of which have actually had a lifetime of combat training. Cassie would want no part of Angela at the top of her game. Angela would take it to Diana the minute she saw her. Thor would dominate Cassie.

Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Agree to disagree.

Based on what? Cassie does not actually have the skill to compete with Angela, and she is less powerful that Thor who actually has the ability to keep Diana's team on their heels with planetary level winds, and storms. You can't just say that Cassie has the skill to keep up with an elite MA, when she has had no prior hardcore training.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what? Cassie does not actually have the skill to compete with Angela, and she is less powerful that Thor who actually has the ability to keep Diana's team on their heels with planetary level winds, and storms. You can't just say that Cassie has the skill to keep up with an elite MA, when she has had no prior hardcore training.

I agree that she is more skilled, but with the combo of her armor and lasso, I see Cass getting a small majority.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I agree that she is more skilled, but with the combo of her armor and lasso, I see Cass getting a small majority.

Her armor, and lasso do not, and will not make up for the huge lack in skill, and combat expertise. Cassie has never had to fight someone of this skill level. Cassie wouldn't actually be fighting Angela either, because Angela would immediately know that Diana was the more skilled of the two, and engage Diana. Cassie would be up against Thor from the start. This is based on character. Angela loves a challenge, Diana also loves a challenge. Those two are tailor made for each other. What would end up happening is that Thor would defeat Cassie handily in terms of power, and gang up on Diana. This isn't a stomp but the Marvel team has the advantage.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But seriously though... She has a few notable ones.

Slapping around Thor(albeit weakened).
Beat Gamora on the moon. Was close to slicing her head off had not the rest of the Guardians showed up.
Was getting the better of the GoTG until Quill blasted her with lightning. Apparently lightning can hurt her.

Supposedly she is the greatest warrior of Heven.
She did a bunch of off panel things like breaking "the moons of Khali-247" and some high adventure stuffs.

And she's currently amped.

Originally posted by Stoic
Her armor, and lasso do not, and will not make up for the huge lack in skill, and combat expertise. Cassie has never had to fight someone of this skill level. Cassie wouldn't actually be fighting Angela either, because Angela would immediately know that Diana was the more skilled of the two, and engage Diana. Cassie would be up against Thor from the start. This is based on character. Angela loves a challenge, Diana also loves a challenge. Those two are tailor made for each other. What would end up happening is that Thor would defeat Cassie handily in terms of power, and gang up on Diana. This isn't a stomp but the Marvel team has the advantage.

That's one possible scenario. With silent armor, I can see Cass hollering her own against female Thor while Diana takes out Angela. Not very smart of Angela to go straight to WW. still give the small edge to team 1.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That's one possible scenario. With silent armor, I can see Cass hollering her own against female Thor while Diana takes out Angela. Not very smart of Angela to go straight to WW. still give the small edge to team 1.

Diana isn't walking all over Angela. I don't know who you imagine Diana to be, but she isn't a trans level character. A battle between Angela and Diana would last for hours or days. Cassie isn't holding Thor for that long. Angela is most certainly an Elite Top Tier MA, just like Diana, and she fast enough to dodge Mjolnir being thrown at her with ease.

In terms of it being smart of Angela or not, she will engage with Diana more times than not, and she would also be her teams leader, because Thor would not be the shot caller for her team. not logically anyways. Diana's character would probably also have her challenge Angela without trickery. I'm almost betting on them both fighting with only swords, or H2H, to determine which one of them was the best. Angela and Diana are pretty much the same character in terms of mentality. Diana beats Angela at this point due to feats, but not to the point that she could do away with her, before Thor got rid of Cassie.

What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?
Nothing really.

She was beating Gamora and the guardians.

She beat a weakened Thor

Originally posted by krisblaze
Nothing really.

She was beating Gamora and the guardians.

She beat a weakened Thor

That's what I'm saying. She hasn't done enough for me to say she is on WW's level. Maybe one day, though. One day.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?

She just beat the hell out of Hela's Valkyries, and made them use kamikaze tactics to keep her at bay. This worked for about 10 seconds, and she lopped their heads off. Gamora is an incredibly adept combatant, and Angela got the best of her in their fight. It wasn't a stomp, but it was evident that Gamora was trying her best. I respect the Wonder Woman character as an incredibly strong combatant, and i wouldn't say it if it weren't true, but Angela would have the ability of hanging with her for quite a while in a fight. You should try reading the Angela series. it's pretty decent. it's sure to change your perspective if anything.

Now for the record. Diana is the most dominant character on the field, but Cassie wouldn't beat either Thor or Angela. This is why team 2 wins a slight majority. It's not a stomp, unless you place Cassie up against Angela. She'd school her something fierce. Since they all would have basic knowledge of each other, there is greater than an 85% chance, that Diana's target would be Angela. She wouldn't dare allow Cassie to take on an opponent as deadly as Angela, and the same goes for Angela in concerns to the unproven yet very powerful Thor.

This would actually make for a very decent story IMO.

Originally posted by Stoic
She just beat the hell out of Hela's Valkyries, and made them use kamikaze tactics to keep her at bay. This worked for about 10 seconds, and she lopped their heads off. Gamora is an incredibly adept combatant, and Angela got the best of her in their fight. It wasn't a stomp, but it was evident that Gamora was trying her best. I respect the Wonder Woman character as an incredibly strong combatant, and i wouldn't say it if it weren't true, but Angela would have the ability of hanging with her for quite a while in a fight. You should try reading the Angela series. it's pretty decent. it's sure to change your perspective if anything.

Now for the record. Diana is the most dominant character on the field, but Cassie wouldn't beat either Thor or Angela. This is why team 2 wins a slight majority. It's not a stomp, unless you pace Cassie up against Angela. She'd school her something fierce. Since they all would have basic knowledge of each other, there is greater than an 85% chance, that Diana's target would be Angela. She wouldn't dare allow Cassie to take on an opponent as deadly as Angela, and the same goes for Angela in concerns to the unproven yet very powerful Thor.

This would actually make for a very decent story IMO.

That doesn't make her close to WW.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That doesn't make her close to WW.
Mind you, the Disir were powerful but Loki also beat the living phuck out of them.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That doesn't make her close to WW.

It doesn't make WW a trans level character either, nor should it allow anyone to believe that she'd roll on Angela. Do we know just how weak Thor was? I've seen a weaker, and battered Thor defeat Mangog. I mean if we really want to go the route of lessening the feat.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Mind you, the Disir were powerful but Loki also beat the living phuck out of them.

WW just has more options with removing her bracers and being the God of War. WW would take a solid majority over Angela, IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
WW just has more options with removing her bracers and being the God of War. WW would take a solid majority over Angela, IMO.

Do you think that Diana would resort to that sort of tactic when she craves challenge? Thor has the power in that hammer, and the skill at using it above anything that the Odinson ever saw in his entire life. She could literally beat the hell out of them by making the hammer repeatedly blitz the hell out of them. She appears to have mental control over the hammer. She also has full control over the weather, and winds. Will she do all of that though? In character Diana isn't going to take off the bracers. She's also not beating Thor, and Angela combined, because let's face it, Cassie isn't hanging with either of them for very long.

I would give Diana the majority over Thor girl as well. Thor girl hasn't done much yet, well, not on the level of WW.

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Diana the majority over Thor girl as well. Thor girl hasn't done much yet, well, not on the level of WW.

But Diana isn't beating the both of them. She isn't taking one out before Angela's team takes out Cass.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do you think that Diana would resort to that sort of tactic when she craves challenge? Thor has the power in that hammer, and the skill at using it above anything that the Odinson ever saw in his entire life. She could literally beat the hell out of them by making the hammer repeatedly blitz the hell out of them. She appears to have mental control over the hammer. She also has full control over the weather, and winds. Will she do all of that though? In character Diana isn't going to take off the bracers. She's also not beating Thor, and Angela combined, because let's face it, Cassie isn't hanging with either of them for very long.


Yes. Diana holds the clear edge.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yes. Diana holds the clear edge.

How often has Diana removed the bracers? She would not resort to that tactic, and even if she did, she isn't one shot beating Angela. For now she has more feats, but trying to inflate her to places that she does not belong is wrong on every level. Angela after all was said to have torn moons apart. it was off panel, but it's still canon to the character, and just how powerful she actually is. A statement like that clearly places her in the class 100 tier, and she has Top tier MA skills.

Diana isn't taking out Thor, or Angela, before one of them takes out Cass. Thor at least has Shield MA training. What former training does Cass have? Again Diana isn't beating them both. Anyway have to get moving.

Originally posted by Stoic
But Diana isn't beating the both of them. She isn't taking one out before Angela's team takes out Cass.

True. I would give Thor crew the win because of that. Wondergirl is a weak link. Celey didn't have many choice from DC tbh. If he would've chosen any other female powerhouse from DC, it would've been too powerful.

Originally posted by Stoic
How often has Diana removed the bracers? She would not resort to that tactic, and even if she did, she isn't one shot beating Angela. For now she has more feats, but trying to inflate her to places that she does not belong is wrong on every level. Angela after all was said to have torn moons apart. it was off panel, but it's still canon to the character, and just how powerful she actually is. A statement like that clearly places her in the class 100 tier, and she has Top tier MA skills.

Diana isn't taking out Thor, or Angela, before one of them takes out Cass. Thor at least has Shield MA training. What former training does Cass have? Again Diana isn't beating them both. Anyway have to get moving.

She's done it a few times. If she did, it would be over for team 2.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hmm. Do you mean the part about Thor being the only one that could run up the boulevard without having a major wardrobe malfunction? Basically. Angela has no armor covering her actual vital parts. Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl are wearing swimsuits. Considering their "warrior heritages"... it's just ludicrous.

Originally posted by ODG
Basically. Angela has no armor covering her actual vital parts. Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl are wearing swimsuits. Considering their "warrior heritages"... it's just ludicrous.


Ohhh, I was thinking about the T it's. (imagine me saying that with a southern accent). The T it's.

Originally posted by Golgo13
She's done it a few times. If she did, it would be over for team 2.

Your problem is that you have a very low opinion of marvel characters. This does not somehow translate into Diana cuffed or uncuffed taking out two heavy weights alone.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your problem is that you have a very low opinion of marvel characters. This does not somehow translate into Diana cuffed or uncuffed taking out two heavy weights alone.

She hasn't done enough for me to put her in that tier. Maybe one day.

Originally posted by ODG
Basically. Angela has no armor covering her actual vital parts. Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl are wearing swimsuits. Considering their "warrior heritages"... it's just ludicrous.

You're going gay on me.

Originally posted by Stoic
How often has Diana removed the bracers? She would not resort to that tactic, and even if she did, she isn't one shot beating Angela. For now she has more feats, but trying to inflate her to places that she does not belong is wrong on every level. Angela after all was said to have torn moons apart. it was off panel, but it's still canon to the character, and just how powerful she actually is. A statement like that clearly places her in the class 100 tier, and she has Top tier MA skills.

Diana isn't taking out Thor, or Angela, before one of them takes out Cass. Thor at least has Shield MA training. What former training does Cass have? Again Diana isn't beating them both. Anyway have to get moving. Whoah.. Hold your horses there. She "broke" the moons, but I wouldn't interpret that as tearing them apart. You may be overhyping something that happened off-panel. For all we know she used some kind of super duper weapon. After all the statement "broke the moons of Khali-247" is pretty open for interpretation.

Originally posted by Golgo13
She hasn't done enough for me to put her in that tier. Maybe one day.

Diana hasn't done enough to say that she's going to beat Thor and Angela after one of them takes Cass out either.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Whoah.. Hold your horses there. She "broke" the moons, but I wouldn't interpret that as tearing them apart. You may be overhyping something that happened off-panel. For all we know she used some kind of super duper weapon. After all the statement "broke the moons of Khali-247" is pretty open for interpretation.

Tore apart, and broke is nearly the same thing. Why don't you take a sword, and try to cut NYC in two with it. My point is that it would still take a considerable amount of strength to even make a crater. She was said to have broken moons. Also why would they write if, if it didn't happen? if you read a novel without pictures, and in that novel it said that she broke the moons of whatever, your first thought is whooa this chick is a power house. or, at least it should be your first thought. Right or wrong?

Originally posted by Stoic
Diana hasn't done enough to say that she's going to beat Thor and Angela after one of them takes Cass out either.



Tore apart, and broke is nearly the same thing. Why don't you take a sword, and try to cut NYC in two with it. My point is that it would still take a considerable amount of strength to even make a crater. She was said to have broken moons. Also why would they write if, if it didn't happen? if you read a novel without pictures, and in that novel it said that she broke the moons of whatever, your first thought is whooa this chick is a power house. or, at least it should be your first thought. Right or wrong?
Sorta...

Bump

Wonder girl is the weak link but Wonder Woman is taking down one of these people.

Trade Cassie for Donna and then we can talk.