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Who is winning this?

Chains go through Doom's eye holes and mutilate his skull

Doom's body was described as "tougher than carbon steel or titanium" and "harder than diamonds". Said eyeballs and skull were also able to tank sun level temperatures. Mucking up Doom's head is a hell of a lot easier said than done. That being said, I don't see Doom having what it takes to put Spawn down for good.

^True. Maybe I spoke too soon. Now that I'm remembering correctly, Violator was able to impale Spawn on a fence. Doom might win, but IDK if he can get past Spawn's cape/shield.

Spawn rape trains

I just found our this is on movie vs forum where spawn sucks ass

Spawn definitely has more versatile powers as well as more potential, but movie Spawn was pretty much in his power infancy stages. I'm siding with Doom on this one. Too strong too tough, plus those electric bolts are no joke either.

Yeah doom wins spawn haven't even learned all his powers yet

Doom stomps.

Doom wins but Spawn gives a better fight then FF4.

Doom loses because both characters sucked badly

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Doom loses because both characters sucked badly
I'll admit that the spawn movie sucked but the comics are pretty good

Spawn can do the following to any of Doom's vital organs.
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Originally posted by Supermutant
Spawn can do the following to any of Doom's vital organs.
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r1ChkgqA9Vo So are we assuming Doom will just sit there and let him do that, or...?

Originally posted by Mindset
So are we assuming Doom will just sit there and let him do that, or...?

Well he'll probably chat and scream a little bit too.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Well he'll probably chat and scream a little bit too. Or just send a bolt of energy through Spawn's face.

I don't recall movie Spawn being all that impressive.

Doom took a blast from SS that should of vaporized him, and made him heal from his wounds and recover his strength.

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Yeah Doom pwns Spawn.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Spawn can do the following to any of Doom's vital organs.
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So lets see he did that to some helpless cannon fodder.

SS did this to Doom, and he laughed it off came back and took that man's board and electrocuted him

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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So lets see he did that to some helpless cannon fodder.

SS did this to Doom, and he laughed it off came back and took that man's board and electrocuted him

You must have forgot that in these terrible f4 movies Doom along with the f4 got their powers from cosmic energy. So Surfer blasted him with the energy he needed to heal. That's like Thor blasting Iroman with lightning and supercharging him.

Doom was basically fodder, even with Surfer's powers he got owned by super skrull like Johnny and a crane.

Originally posted by Supermutant


You must have forgot that in these terrible f4 movies Doom along with the f4 got their powers from cosmic energy. So Surfer blasted him with the energy he needed to heal. That's like Thor blasting Iroman with lightning and supercharging him.

Doom was basically fodder, even with Surfer's powers he got owned by super skrull like Johnny and a crane.

No what I said,

Surfer's powers were never defined as power cosmic in the movie.

Good job making totally baseless assumptions and claiming them as fact @ Supermutant.

Based on what can you claim that an ability Spawn used on some random human will work on a guy powered by cosmic radiation, and who has a body composed of an unknown organic metal? And who, based on feats, is arguably one of the most durable live action comicbook movie characters to date? The guy has easily tanked multi-storey falls, extremely hard impacts (like hits from the Thing, who can lift hundreds of tons, and getting smashed several hundred yards with a wrecking ball). Even extended exposure to Johnny's hottest temperatures did little more than slow him down. Hell, he was still talking smack with "Is that the best you can do? A little heat?" before they managed to lock his joints into place.

And based on what can you claim that the energy Surfer hit Doom with was what he needed to heal? There is nothing to suggest that those energies would heal someone who was empowered by cosmic radiation. The fact that Doom literally kills the Invisible Woman with the Surfer's powers shows that it isn't some magical healing energy.

You have zero proof to back either of your claims.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Good job making totally baseless assumptions and claiming them as fact @ Supermutant.

Based on what can you claim that an ability Spawn used on some random human will work on a guy powered by cosmic radiation, and who has a body composed of an unknown organic metal? And who, based on feats, is arguably one of the most durable live action comicbook movie characters to date? The guy has easily tanked multi-storey falls, extremely hard impacts (like hits from the Thing, who can lift hundreds of tons, and getting smashed several hundred yards with a wrecking ball). Even extended exposure to Johnny's hottest temperatures did little more than slow him down. Hell, he was still talking smack with "Is that the best you can do? A little heat?" before they managed to lock his joints into place.

And based on what can you claim that the energy Surfer hit Doom with was what he needed to heal? There is nothing to suggest that those energies would heal someone who was empowered by cosmic radiation. The fact that Doom literally kills the Invisible Woman with the Surfer's powers shows that it isn't some magical healing energy.

You have zero proof to back either of your claims.

This is too easy below Surfer's powers heals the very person you named that Doom killed, who is also powered by cosmic radiation.

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Also, Doom almost killed Sue with a projectile not a cosmic blast.

And when did being durable means someone can resist a phasing attack. Specifically a phasing attack powered by demonic necroplasm.

So you have zreo proof to back either of your claims. See what I did there.

Also what proof is there that Doom's lightning would even hurt Spawn. Spawn has magical necroplasm armor and and a transforming cape that can shield him. Plus being from hell and all that the heat definitely isn't a problem.

Except Surfer tried to kill Doom, and he brought Sue back to life. Are you really suggesting his cosmic blasts only heal people. I guess he was trying to heal Doom after he electrocuted him.

You failed again.

We should remind everyone this is movie spawn so spawn suck major ass

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Except Surfer tried to kill Doom, and he brought Sue back to life. Are you really suggesting his cosmic blasts only heal people. I guess he was trying to heal Doom after he electrocuted him.

You failed again.

Did Surfer kill any humans in the entire movie? Did he even try? Even when the military was shooting missiles at him he was very passive and restrained. What would lightning do to Surfer anyway but annoy him. Are you suggesting that Surfer wanted to kill Doom with that blast when he didn't kill any other humans who where attacking him? He could have easily killed Torch instead of giving him an opportunity to recover.

There is no evidence that Doom could do any major damage to Spawn.

What Surfer intended doesn't even matter, its the result that matter. I could intend to kill Superman with a massive blast of solar energy, but what would be the result?


I understand your problem now, you mistake failure for winning.

Ah so IOW, the blast he hit with doom was to cure him.

What a retarded view point.

I accept your concession.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah so IOW, the blast he hit with doom was to cure him.

What a retarded view point.

I accept your concession.

No, the cosmic blast he hit Doom went cured him b/c Doom got his powers from cosmic energy.

Its really not the hard to understand, well for most people.

Still the main point exist that Doom can't do any major damage to Spawn.

So now you have mistaken failure for winning and victory for concession.

Looking forward to what's next.

Originally posted by Supermutant
No, the cosmic blast he hit doom went cure him b/c Doom got his powers from cosmic energy.

Its really not the hard to understand, well for most people.

Still the main point exist that Doom can do any major damage to Spawn.

So now you have mistake failure for winning and victory for concession.

Looking forward to what's next.

Like I said before, it was never said/stated or proven that SS has cosmic power.

I can ask Imp to come in here and rule on wether its accepted or not accepted that he had power cosmic.

And Doom can punch the living crap of him..unless you want to say he is immune to all damage now.

The MVF Golden Rule states that if it didn't happen on screen, then it's non-canon and doesn't hold water.

In both shitty FF films, the cosmic radiation that empowered the FF was not referenced as the Power Cosmic, neither was the source of the power of the Silver Surfer or "Galactus".

Any comic book reader/fan knows that Galactus is capable of granting his heralds with the Power Cosmic, however we must adhere to canonical movie feats since films greatly differs from the medium of comic books. For all we know, the writer(s) of the FF films have no f*cking clue what Power Cosmic is.

Originally posted by Supermutant
This is too easy below Surfer's powers heals the very person you named that Doom killed, who is also powered by cosmic radiation.

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We both know that those two situations are not even remotely the same. Surfer attacked Doom after Doom attacked Surfer from behind. It is made pretty clear from the interaction and the Surfer's expression after Doom attacks him that he was not looking to help Doom. Surfer specifically healed Sue, the woman who showed him kindness, and then helped him escape and regain his powers. Unless you are suggesting Doom, who was a noob with the power, can hurt people powered by cosmic radiation but the Surfer can't.

Originally posted by Supermutant

Also, Doom almost killed Sue with a projectile not a cosmic blast.


The power was used offensively against the FF multiple times as well. The Surfer's blast initially blew Doom apart before his body reformed. His intention was clearly to harm. So was Doom's. If it was naturally healing to people powered by cosmic radiation, it shouldn't have caused lasting harm to Sue. Like I said, unless you are suggesting that the Surfer isn't able to do something Doom is.

Originally posted by Supermutant

And when did being durable means someone can resist a phasing attack. Specifically a phasing attack powered by demonic necroplasm.


So you have no proof to back your claims that the power will work on Doom? And as someone pointed out, Doom is just going to lie there and even let him try? Guy who can physically got toe to toe with the Thing, ignoring the fact that he can discharge electrical blasts from his body? Blasts which can easily blow up cars and knock around people who can tank getting rammed by trucks, even if they don't cause serious injury? LOL

Originally posted by Supermutant

So you have zero proof to back either of your claims. See what I did there.


I see what you tried to do, but there is a problem. I made no claims whatsoever. I called you out on the claims you made and asked you to provide actual proof. You made the claim that he could do that other attack to any of Doom's organs, because he could do it to a normal human with a totally different physiology and no way whatsoever to fight back. And then you made the claim that the Surfer's energies were naturally healing to someone powered by cosmic radiation, even though there isn't any proof to confirm this.

Originally posted by Supermutant

Also what proof is there that Doom's lightning would even hurt Spawn. Spawn has magical necroplasm armor and and a transforming cape that can shield him. Plus being from hell and all that the heat definitely isn't a problem.

I personally would still rate Doom's overall durability feats above Spawn's. People can argue Spawn's best durability feats if they want to counter. I can list Doom's.

The funny thing is that you are acting as though I said Spawn would lose. If you read my initial post, you would see that I merely said that Doom is extremely hard to injure. Literally the only thing to have had a genuine visible effect on him is Sun temperature heat, and that only slowed him down. But I also said that I didn't know if Doom would have what it takes to put Spawn down either.

Also, as TI and Imp pointed out, there is no mention of the Power Cosmic or any of that in the films. So you trying to base your argument on that there was some kind of cosmic energy connection that cured him is reaching at best, and against MvF rules.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Did Surfer kill any humans in the entire movie? Did he even try? Even when the military was shooting missiles at him he was very passive and restrained.

Look at 0:38. Passive and restrained? lol

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Originally posted by Supermutant
Did Surfer kill any humans in the entire movie? Did he even try? Even when the military was shooting missiles at him he was very passive and restrained. What would lightning do to Surfer anyway but annoy him. Are you suggesting that Surfer wanted to kill Doom with that blast when he didn't kill any other humans who where attacking him? He could have easily killed Torch instead of giving him an opportunity to recover.


As the clip above shows, Surfer had no qualms whatsoever about wiping out the entire army unit who attacked him. He also didn't give a damn when his actions were going to cause the London Eye to collapse, potentially killing hundreds of innocent people. So your post is basically a lie. Johnny made no physical threats, so he had no reason to hurt him. Doom attacked him, just like the army did. The army was wiped out. Doom wasn't. And there is nothing in the FF filmverse to suggest that the energies that power Doom and the FF and the energies that power the SS are connected in a way that would cause Surfer's powers to heal Doom when trying to hurt him.

His argument fell to shit once he had the Golden Rule of MVF read to him.

Also the one he used was pretty horrid.

i am thinking doom did infact heal from the surfers blast. im not sure but in the 1st FF movie when he was conducting with the electricity in the building. was that used as a source to produce his organic metal armour?

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
i am thinking doom did infact heal from the surfers blast. im not sure but in the 1st FF movie when he was conducting with the electricity in the building. was that used as a source to produce his organic metal armour?

He did heal from it. Thats how bad ass he is.

Originally posted by Impediment
The MVF Golden Rule states that if it didn't happen on screen, then it's non-canon and doesn't hold water.

It did happen on screen. Surfer healed Doom with whatever type of blast people claim it was. Which is my point, it doesn't matter what Surfer intention was his blast indeed healed Doom. lol They even showed a close up of Doom's hand immediately after so it was very clear.

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Vault Dweller that clip you showed furthers my point b/c Surfer didn't obliterate those soldiers all he did was destroy their vehicles and equipment. That General for one is the same one that Doom vaporized after stealing Surfer's power. At worst Surfer was indifferent to collateral damage until a little convincing from Sue.

I almost hate some of you for almost making me want to watch these crappy films over.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He did heal from it. Thats how bad ass he is.

Lol you don't even know what you are arguing.


Getting owned by superskrull lite Johnny and a crane is far from badassery.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Lol you don't even know what you are arguing.


Getting owned by superskrull lite Johnny and a crane is far from badassery.

Massive PIS, but in forum fights PIS/CIS is off.

The reason you can't win your argument is Doom used Surfers powers against the military and vaporized them in the bunker, same way Surfer tried to do to Doom and he resisted.

Point is Doom pulled through and healed from it, he can absorb power and use it.