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No Prep..
No B.F.R..
Dcnu..



Odinson


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Wonder Woman

Is it just me, or hasn't this been done be"for" Asgard!

Thor could probably still pull it off.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Is it just me, or hasn't this been done be"for" Asgard!



The one your thinking had B.F.R on..
This no B.F.R..

Originally posted by Supermex
The one your thinking had B.F.R on..
This no B.F.R..

I am saddened you didn't like my play on words.

Odinshun

Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman. Nah.

Don't see how you can question that tbh. With Mjolnir I will give him the majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't see how you can question that tbh. With Mjolnir I will give him the majority.
He has her beat physically, as skilled, and still a master of storms.

He wins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He has her beat physically, as skilled, and still a master of storms.

He wins.



Wonder Woman is an elite physically. What has been shown of her to make you believe he is above her? I need to know this. She has been running through Kryptonians better than anyone I've seen so far (Zod, Faora, Supergirl, Kon).

Originally posted by carver9


Wonder Woman is an elite physically. What has been shown of her to make you believe she is above him? I need to know this. She has been running through Kryptonians better than anyone I've seen so far (Zod, Faora, Supergirl, Kon).
Eh?

Lol...I edited it. My bad, was looking at a movie while typing.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I edited it. My bad, was looking at a movie while typing.
You may have edited it, but it still doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You may have edited it, but it still doesn't make sense.

Lol...what part doesn't make sense to you?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...what part doesn't make sense to you?
What has been shown of her to make you believe she is above him?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What has been shown of her to make you believe she is above him?

All the kryptonians she has defeated.

So Thor would handle both Faora and Zod, only with skill?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What has been shown of her to make you believe she is above him?


Never said above. I asked you the same question. I asked "what has been shown of her to make you believe he is above her". I'm basically asking you what she failed at to make you believe Thor is physically above her because her averages are concrete imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Never said above. I asked you the same question. I asked "what has been shown of her to make you believe he is above her". I'm basically asking you what she failed at to make you believe Thor is physically above her because her averages are concrete imo.



Your question did not make sense. I was merely repeating it to answer your question of what wasn't making sense. It would make more sense if I posed that question to you. Foof.

Anyways... It's not a question of her failings. He's flat out stronger and more durable on average. Plus he's still the lord of storms.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
So Thor would handle both Faora and Zod, only with skill?

Not only that, she treated Faora like fodder.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media-full//Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Your question did not make sense. It would make more sense if I posed that question to you. Foof.

Anyways... It's not a question of her failings. He's flat out stronger and more durable on average. Plus he's still the lord of storms.

Thor has taken on more heavier threats than her but I don't think you are taking her showings into acct as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Not only that, she treated Faora like fodder.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media-full//Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html Crazy ft right there.

Originally posted by carver9
Not only that, she treated Faora like fodder.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media-full//Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html
Wait you're using a brief scuffle against someone who literally just gained powers. And I'm not sure how she was treated like fodder.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has taken on more heavier threats than her but I don't think you are taking her showings into acct as well.
Sure I am. I'm not taking anything away from her, but you're overhyping her a bit too much recently.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Crazy ft right there.
Not sure what was so crazy about that scan.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait you're using a brief scuffle against someone who literally just gained powers. And I'm not sure how she was treated like fodder.

Sure I am.

Wait a minute, are you saying she was weak? Zod almost killed Manhunter with a couple of blows and he JUST got his powers.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23309/4096227-0434100135-34975.jpg

After getting hit by Zod, Manhunter said that they should think of a plan before facing Zod up front because he was extremely powerful.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497548-0263766934-super.jpg

All of this happened moments before he even knew how to fly.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497546-5357058373-super.jpg

Crazy thing is, Faora was flying around comfortably blitzing and shooting heat vision before facing Wondy.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media-full//Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-014_zpsfff7f5fd.jpg.html

Also, wasn't it mentioned that Apollo was slowly amping them faster than what they were suppose to be amping at during their time on Earth?

Also, she tossed Faora like she was nothing. That's a sign of strength.

The above scans are out of sequence but I feel you read the comic. Before the scene where MM is getting up telling people how powerful Zod is, this happened.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497547-0833546178-super.jpg

Thats some Carver Ownage.

Almost killed Manjobber? He was fine in the next scene

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Almost killed Manjobber? He was fine in the next scene

"This one got confused and almost KILLED Manhunter".

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497553-1878210501-super.jpg

Right there on panel for ya.

Shouldn't u b using faora scans to argue for Diana?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Shouldn't u b using faora scans to argue for Diana?

I genuinely laughed.

Here is Apollo saying he was powering up the Kryptonians faster than they normally would've powered up.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4124230-superman+%26+wonder+woman+get+armour+-+superman-wonder+woman+006+003.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Shouldn't u b using faora scans to argue for Diana?

Why would I need too when I proved that Zod who didn't show any of the thing Faora showed when she got on Earth was strong enough to almost kill Martian with a few blows? Stop.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I genuinely laughed.

No reason to laugh though. I made my point.

Originally posted by carver9
No reason to laugh though. I made my point.

oh, no, it was still funny, don't you worry.

Originally posted by carver9
Here is Apollo saying he was powering up the Kryptonians faster than they normally would've powered up.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4124230-superman+%26+wonder+woman+get+armour+-+superman-wonder+woman+006+003.jpg

I'm just not getting your correlation. Maybe your argument is beyond me. Did Diana casually own Zod?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I'm just not getting your correlation. Maybe your argument is beyond me. Did Diana casually own Zod?

Yes.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-017_zps2f7ade38.jpg.html
http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-018_zpsc0831be2.jpg.html

But Zod has a Lil to do with it, my argument circles around Faora. Others get it though, so, I honestly don't know what to tell you.

@Carver
I've read all that you've shown. Yes they may have been powered up by Apollo at a faster rate, but it still doesn't help the fact that she was still getting to grips with her newfound powers. Thor w/o Mjolnir still has her beat in showings.

In the second fight, Diana with the help of an armor could only stalemate Faora. Originally posted by carver9
Yes.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-017_zps2f7ade38.jpg.html
http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-018_zpsc0831be2.jpg.html

But Zod has a Lil to do with it, my argument circles around Faora. Others get it though, so, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
facepalm

Faora has zero feats other than two fights with Diana. Just because she is a kryptonian doesn't mean much about her strength level.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@Carver
I've read all that you've shown. Yes they may have been powered up by Apollo at a faster rate, but it still doesn't help the fact that she was still getting to grips with her newfound powers. Thor w/o Mjolnir still has her beat in showings.

And we see what a newborn in power Kryptonian was able to do and she showed far more potential during her upbringing with her powers than Zod did. She was Kryptonian strong, easily. She was mimicking everything Zod did without a sign of flaw. Heat vision, super speed, flight, super strength. This also applies to Kara. Kara was able to match Superman and she JUST learned how to use her powers and she wasn't even getting the assistance from Apollo like Faora was.

Carver, I see some holes in the arguments against you. Let's see if you can identify them.

#Get'em

What holes did I make?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-017_zps2f7ade38.jpg.html
http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-018_zpsc0831be2.jpg.html

But Zod has a Lil to do with it, my argument circles around Faora. Others get it though, so, I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Not really, you can't use one characters showing as an example of what a diff character is capable of.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Carver, I se some holes in the arguments against you. Let's see if you can identify them.

#Get'em
Originally posted by carver9
What holes did I make?

Stating holes in the argument against you does not mean holes are in your argument unless you are against yourself.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not really, you can't use one characters showing as an example of what a diff character is capable of.

What in the world. Lol. We have one Kryptonian displaying more power than another 'Kryptonian' and it isn't usable. Is there proof that their physiology is different from one another?

Thanks TI. I might have to kill Carv after all.

Lol...I read that wrong. My bad.

Where did she show more power than Zod? Zod was flying before he was tackled by J'onn.

Anyway feats aren't transferable between characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did she show more power than Zod? Zod was flying before he was tackled by J'onn.

Anyway feats aren't transferable between characters.

Flying and falling whereas Faora was flying at super speed, shooting heat vision, the whole 9 yards. I've been ignoring you about this topic, basically anything Wonder Woman related. Leave this to Celey. He can handle this himself.

Carver's stupid.

Also Zod ****ing killed Doomsday. Get out of here with that Faora bullshit. You might as well use Superman's feats for her, not that the thought didn't cross your mind and not that you aren't hinting at it already

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver's stupid.

Also Zod ****ing killed Doomsday. Get out of here with that Faora bullshit. You might as well use Superman's feats for her, not that the thought didn't cross your mind and not that you aren't hinting at it already

Zod didn't even have his Kryptonian powers when he killed Doomsday. He was wearing Kryptonian armor that granted him abilities.

Who said anything about using Superman fts for her? My argument is based primarily on her "beginning" strength.

That was when he first emerged from the zone, not when j'onn attacked him. He blitzed j'onn in the very same fight FFS.

**** off. You are doing nothing but your usual highballing and if you can't handle the truth, shut the **** up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was when he first emerged from the zone, not when j'onn attacked him. He blitzed j'onn in the very same fight FFS.

**** off. You are doing nothing but your usual highballing and if you can't handle the truth, shut the **** up.



Read through the thread. Last post to you in here.

Originally posted by carver9


Read through the thread. Last post to you in here.
Concession accepted. Now shut up.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Is it just me, or hasn't this been done be"for" Asgard!

Originally posted by carver9
And we see what a newborn in power Kryptonian was able to do and she showed far more potential during her upbringing with her powers than Zod did. She was Kryptonian strong, easily. She was mimicking everything Zod did without a sign of flaw. Heat vision, super speed, flight, super strength. This also applies to Kara. Kara was able to match Superman and she JUST learned how to use her powers and she wasn't even getting the assistance from Apollo like Faora was.
Lol..

Jus stick with Wondy and her feats. I'm basically telling you the Faora scene is not that impressive. If you were going to use a Kryptonian, you should have brought up Wondy owning Kara in a straight up fight and not a brief inconclusive scuffle.

See I'm helping you out.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..

Jus stick with Wondy and her feats. I'm basically telling you the Faora scene is not that impressive. If you were going to use a Kryptonian, you should have brought up Wondy owning Kara in a straight up fight and not a brief inconclusive scuffle.

See I'm helping you out.

I already brought that up though. Why isn't the Faora fight impressive?

Also, if anyone is interested, here is the Doomsday vs Zod fight. Zod is wearing the ancient armor of Kryptonians while fighting Doomsday.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-07_zps9e9f295c.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-23_zps1164af99.png.html

Originally posted by carver9
"This one got confused and almost KILLED Manhunter".

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497553-1878210501-super.jpg

Right there on panel for ya. so is Manjobber.... Perfectly fine

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
so is Manjobber.... Perfectly fine

Thats why the word "almost" was used.

Originally posted by carver9
Zod didn't even have his Kryptonian powers when he killed Doomsday. He was wearing Kryptonian armor that granted him abilities.

Who said anything about using Superman fts for her? My argument is based primarily on her "beginning" strength. So what you're saying is that a powerless Zod wore a suit that mimicked his powered up abilities?
Seems quite relevant to point out.

You. You compared her to Kara who was as strong as Superman when she first got power but wasn't getting powered up like Faora. You even mentioned Kryptonian strong like it has a meaning
Originally posted by carver9
And we see what a newborn in power Kryptonian was able to do and she showed far more potential during her upbringing with her powers than Zod did. She was Kryptonian strong, easily. She was mimicking everything Zod did without a sign of flaw. Heat vision, super speed, flight, super strength. This also applies to Kara. Kara was able to match Superman and she JUST learned how to use her powers and she wasn't even getting the assistance from Apollo like Faora was.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So what you're saying is that a powerless Zod wore a suit that mimicked his powered up abilities?
Seems quite relevant to point out.

You. You compared her to Kara who was as strong as Superman when she first got power but wasn't getting powered up like Faora. You even mentioned Kryptonian strong like it has a meaning

Who said anything about mimic? We don't know what that armor granted him. Your guess is as good as mine. The only thing I saw was him oozing blue energy.

Obvious Superman wasn't going all out but her strength was Kryptonian level (Supergirl). Also, Supergirl wasn't even getting the type of amp Faora and Zod was getting. Remember, Apollo was amping them which is the reason both Faora and Zod were that powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
I already brought that up though. Why isn't the Faora fight impressive?

Also, if anyone is interested, here is the Doomsday vs Zod fight. Zod is wearing the ancient armor of Kryptonians while fighting Doomsday.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-07_zps9e9f295c.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-23_zps1164af99.png.html
You did? When did you bring up Wondy beating Kara?

Not sure why you're using these scans...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You did? When did you bring up Wondy beating Kara?

Not sure why you're using these scans...

1st page.

My bad, those scans wasn't for you.

Originally posted by carver9
What in the world. Lol. We have one Kryptonian displaying more power than another 'Kryptonian' and it isn't usable. Is there proof that their physiology is different from one another?

It's not usable. it hasn't been allowed on this forum for years, now. You know this.

Originally posted by carver9
1st page.

My bad, those scans wasn't for you.
Ahh.


Anyways... How do you see her winning btw?

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not usable. it hasn't been allowed on this forum for years, now. You know this.

Question. Do you think Faora was more powerful than Zod when he first appeared?

Originally posted by carver9
Question. Do you think Faora was more powerful than Zod when he first appeared?

I don't know, tbh.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ahh.


Anyways... How do you see her winning btw?

She's just as strong, too fast to the point that even Supergirl was questioning her speed against Diana...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-08-28-17-49-24_zps9a2fba61.png.html

Again...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-08-28-17-48-26_zpsd1dd5305.png.html

I think Thor would pull the majority 'after a good fight' if he had Mjlonir, without, this fight favors her, tremendously. She was also able to subdue both Kon and Mongul.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-09-24-09-55-17_zps30b41fb9.png.html

Thor is good but he isn't beating her without the hammer. I'm not even including her other showings like taking out Cheetah, working Lantern, etc, etc...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know, tbh.

Come on Pr. Zod couldn't fly during the beginning of his appearance as shown on the first page (didn't do any of the thing Faora was doing) but we have Faora flying at Super speed without any issue and shooting heat vision, etc... seems obvious to me. Don't know what the issue is with what I've shown.

Originally posted by carver9
She's just as strong, too fast to the point that even Supergirl was questioning her speed against Diana...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-08-28-17-49-24_zps9a2fba61.png.html

Again...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-08-28-17-48-26_zpsd1dd5305.png.html

I think Thor would pull the majority 'after a good fight' if he had Mjlonir, without, this fight favors her, tremendously. She was also able to subdue both Kon and Mongul.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-09-24-09-55-17_zps30b41fb9.png.html

Thor is good but he isn't beating her without the hammer. I'm not even including her other showings like taking out Cheetah, working Lantern, etc, etc...
No question Thor is stronger. She may have a speed edge, but he has superior ranged abilities. He's also just as skilled.

If(big if) she doesn't get taken out with lightning, I think it comes down to durability and damage soak. Both have cutting weapons, but Thor is a beast when it comes to powering through damage. He simply can go to another level she can't compete with. Hell he can beat her without Jarnbjorn. He still has a black uru arm he can parry with after all. Plus her little sword won't do much to stop him. He'll just keep going at her till she's put to sleep.

lol Thor without Mjolnir loses this fight, Wonder Woman is on equal if not better standings with Kryptonians physically and Kryptonians physically outmatch Thor in strength and speed especially

Originally posted by relentless1
lol Thor without Mjolnir loses this fight, Wonder Woman is on equal if not better standings with Kryptonians physically and Kryptonians physically outmatch Thor in strength and speed especially
So any Kryptonian is stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He has her beat physically, as skilled, and still a master of storms.

He wins. she's far faster, more skilled, can fly, and has a lasso for the instant win.

Originally posted by h1a8
she's far faster, more skilled, can fly, and has a lasso for the instant win.
How is she more skilled? How is the lasso an instant win?

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Pr. Zod couldn't fly during the beginning of his appearance as shown on the first page (didn't do any of the thing Faora was doing) but we have Faora flying at Super speed without any issue and shooting heat vision, etc... seems obvious to me. Don't know what the issue is with what I've shown.

I don't know because I don't remember.

What I do know, though, is not to trust you.

So because of that, I still don't know.

With Mjolnir Thor would take a majority, without, I don't think so.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So any Kryptonian is stronger than Thor?
The named Kryptonians generally are.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know because I don't remember.

What I do know, though, is not to trust you.

So because of that, I still don't know.



Believe in me Pr.

Originally posted by carver9
What in the world. Lol. We have one Kryptonian displaying more power than another 'Kryptonian' and it isn't usable. Is there proof that their physiology is different from one another?

I see you're turning into a First Class Troll. Quan would be proud.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I see you're turning into a First Class Troll. Quan would be proud.

I see you don't know how to conceive things. My argument is legit. If others could grasp it, I truly don't understand how YOU don't get it or arguing against it. I'm not going to spoon feed you on my point. Maybe someone else could.

Celey, Thor is powerful so I'm not going to quote you. I do have a question though. How many wins would you give Thor with Mjlonir over WW?

Originally posted by carver9
I see you don't know how to conceive things. My argument is legit. If others could grasp it, I truly don't understand how YOU don't get it or arguing against it. I'm not going to spoon feed you on my point. Maybe someone else could.

Celey, Thor is powerful so I'm not going to quote you. I do have a question though. How many wins would you give Thor with Mjlonir over WW?

Spoon feed moi? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're attempting to use one characters feats and pass it off as another. That's blatant trolling no matter how you attempt to dress it up. By that weak ass argument any character with the same physiology as any other character can interchange feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats why the word "almost" was used.



And Hawkman owned him

Carver, in another thread, you kept telling me that we couldn't transfer feats between character (even though I wasn't).

And now, I see you doing the very same thing you were arguing against.

Do you do this on purpose, so that you can do a Hannibal Lecter and gain some insight into the minds of your opponents? To defeat idiocy, you must become idiocy?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Spoon feed moi? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're attempting to use one characters feats and pass it off as another. That's blatant trolling no matter how you attempt to dress it up. By that weak ass argument any character with the same physiology as any other character can interchange feats.

How am I using one character fts as portrayal of another? Let me explain this to you.

Let's say if me aaaaannnnndddd, Teto Jackson were aliens that were powered by the sun and we landed on Earth. Our power source are the same, etc, etc... let's dig deeper into this...let's say as soon as the both of us land on Earth, I start flying around shooting heat vision, showing super strength, blitzing, etc, whereas as soon as teto lands on Earth, he falls straight to the ground, struggle flying, doesn't shoot heat vision, isn't blitzing around as good as me, etc, but the both of us are powered by the sun. Who is more powerful? If Teto is more powerful, why? If I am more powerful, why? This seems like common sense to me.

If there was a female and a male Surfer just receiving their powers and they are empowered by the same freaking source and the female version is showing far more skill and technique than the male, it is obvious who is the more powerful of the two or who has better use of said abilities. The spoon feeding is done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Hawkman owned him

Carver, in another thread, you kept telling me that we couldn't transfer feats between character (even though I wasn't).

And now, I see you doing the very same thing you were arguing against.

Do you do this on purpose, so that you can do a Hannibal Lecter and gain some insight into the minds of your opponents? To defeat idiocy, you must become idiocy?

Which opponent were you using to transfer fts? Was it two Kryptonians?

Originally posted by carver9
Which opponent were you using to transfer fts? Was it two Kryptonians?

Oh, so the self-created rules only apply to others, not to you?

Are all Martians the same?

Humans?

So Prof X has the same strength level as Batman?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so the self-created rules only apply to others, not to you?

I'm asking which characters were you using and the examples that I am using doesn't have thing to do with ALL of their fts, I'm referencing their beginning strength. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so the self-created rules only apply to others, not to you?

Are all Martians the same?

Humans?

So Prof X has the same strength level as Batman?

Ok, I take it back. All Kryptonians aren't powered by the same power source and some of them receive more sunlight than others. Some have an aura around them that prevents sunlight from entering while others are free to absorb in said energy. All stated on panel.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking which characters were you using and the examples that I am using doesn't have thing to do with ALL of their fts, I'm referencing their beginning strength. Nothing more, nothing less.

I WASN'T transferring feats; how do you still not grasp this?

I was transferring characteristics. Two Kryptonians, side-by-side, can both absorb sunlight, and channel that into superpowers. THAT is a characteristic of a Kryptonian. If I was to pluck at random a Kryptonian, chances are 99% (it being comics after all) that that character can absorb sunlight and display powers.

If two humans eat some food, they will both get energy. Not arguing that.

In THIS thread, YOU are transferring feats. So if you and I both eat some food, we will be at the same strength level. Which is a weird way of thinking. I am obviously the superior specimen.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I WASN'T transferring feats; how do you still not grasp this?

I was transferring characteristics. Two Kryptonians, side-by-side, can both absorb sunlight, and channel that into superpowers. THAT is a characteristic of a Kryptonian. If I was to pluck at random a Kryptonian, chances are 99% (it being comics after all) that that character can absorb sunlight and display powers.

If two humans eat some food, they will both get energy. Not arguing that.

In THIS thread, YOU are transferring feats. So if you and I both eat some food, we will be at the same strength level. Which is a weird way of thinking. I am obviously the superior specimen.

Wait a minute, lol, you were transferring Ares fts over to Thor because the both of them are gods. Lol, do you not see the flaw in that?

I agree though...even though Faora showed more power when she first arrived than what Zod did when he first arrived, Zod is more powerful.



Thanks for helping me.

Originally posted by carver9
How am I using one character fts as portrayal of another? Let me explain this to you.

Let's say if me aaaaannnnndddd, Teto Jackson were aliens that were powered by the sun and we landed on Earth. Our power source are the same, etc, etc... let's dig deeper into this...let's say as soon as the both of us land on Earth, I start flying around shooting heat vision, showing super strength, blitzing, etc, whereas as soon as teto lands on Earth, he falls straight to the ground, struggle flying, doesn't shoot heat vision, isn't blitzing around as good as me, etc, but the both of us are powered by the sun. Who is more powerful? If Teto is more powerful, why? If I am more powerful, why? This seems like common sense to me.

If there was a female and a male Surfer just receiving their powers and they are empowered by the same freaking source and the female version is showing far more skill and technique than the male, it is obvious who is the more powerful of the two or who has better use of said abilities. The spoon feeding is done.

Lol at your attempt to own me. Regardless of your half ass attempts you're still interchanging feats which is strictly against rules. So come up with another argument and quit trolling and high balling crap "feats"

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute, lol, you were transferring Ares fts over to Thor. Lol, do you not see the flaw in that?

I agree though...even though Faora showed more power when she first arrived than what Zod did when he first arrived, Zod is more powerful.



Thanks for helping me.

I WASN'T TRANSFERRING FEATS, NO. Why can't you understand this?

I was transferring characteristics. By their divine nature, they are different from normal non-divine characters. Just like mutants, by their nature, are different (they have an X-gene).

Kryptonians soak up sun, and get powers.

The rate at which they soak up sunlight and metabolise it is different, however. And you cannot transfer feats between characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I WASN'T TRANSFERRING FEATS, NO. Why can't you understand this?

I was transferring characteristics. By their divine nature, they are different from normal non-divine characters. Just like mutants, by their nature, are different (they have an X-gene).

Kryptonians soak up sun, and get powers.

The rate at which they soak up sunlight and metabolise it is different, however. And you cannot transfer feats between characters.


So you passed Ares showing/Devine power to Thor saying he could probably mimic what Ares did.

Why are we still debating this? I agreed with you. I said non flying, non shooting heat vision, non speed blitzing Zod was more powerful than flying, speed blitzing, shooting heat vision Faora.

Since we are in agreement, who would you give the majority too?

Originally posted by carver9
I see you don't know how to conceive things. My argument is legit. If others could grasp it, I truly don't understand how YOU don't get it or arguing against it. I'm not going to spoon feed you on my point. Maybe someone else could.

Celey, Thor is powerful so I'm not going to quote you. I do have a question though. How many wins would you give Thor with Mjlonir over WW? She makes him work for each one.

At least
8/10

Originally posted by carver9
So you passed Ares showing/Devine power to Thor saying he could probably mimic what Ares did.

Why are we still debating this? I agreed with you. I said non flying, non shooting heat vision, non speed blitzing Zod was more powerful than flying, speed blitzing, shooting heat vision Faora.

Since we are in agreement, who would you give the majority too?

And yet, Zod was then slammed by Hawkman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23309/4096227-0434100135-34975.jpg
who didn't see him as that much of a threat, sarcastically saying 'who isn't?' to MM:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497548-0263766934-super.jpg

As for the others:
Originally posted by carver9
Thor is good but he isn't beating her without the hammer. I'm not even including her other showings like taking out Cheetah,
Didn't Cheetah WANT to get caught?


So.....Batman level?

You've convinced me. Thor wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, Zod was then slammed by Hawkman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23309/4096227-0434100135-34975.jpg
who didn't see him as that much of a threat, sarcastically saying 'who isn't?' to MM:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497548-0263766934-super.jpg

As for the others:

Didn't Cheetah WANT to get caught?


So.....Batman level?

You've convinced me. Thor wins.

So that hit took Zod out? If not, why are you bringing it up?

Lol...proof that Hawkman can read power levels. Does he have a scouter?

Wrong Cheetah fight.

Originally posted by carver9
So that hit took Zod out? If not, why are you bringing it up?

Lol...proof that Hawkman can read power levels. Does he have a scouter?

Wrong Cheetah fight.

It proves Zod can be affected by strength levels which aren't exactly herald level.

Glad you asked:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3206995-savagehawkman_9_thegroup_020.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It proves Zod can be affected by strength levels which aren't exactly herald level.

Glad you asked:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3206995-savagehawkman_9_thegroup_020.jpg

Here is the next scan after the mallet hit...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497552-3514480822-super.jpg

Where was he affected? Nice try though.

Don't see the point of your Hawkman scan. Then, it's obvious the Hawk would probably get annihilated in 2 panels. This is a guy that almost killed MM in a few hits after gaining his powers.

MM was almost killed?

This is how I can tell you didn't read any or my posts. I just dont get it, I truly don't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Hawkman owned him
Hawkman treated Zod like fodder.

Hawkman would definitely beat Thor. mmm

Originally posted by carver9
Zod almost killed Manhunter

I read it. What i was asking was where did u get that he was almost killed?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I read it. What i was asking was where did u get that he was almost killed?
A comment Steve Trevor made a couple pages after. How accurate the comment was is up for interpretation. For me it was more a passing comment indicating that Zod is dangerous. J'onn seemed perfectly fine on the same page.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
A comment Steve Trevor made a couple pages after. How accurate the comment was is up for interpretation. For me it was more a passing comment indicating that Zod is dangerous. J'onn seemed perfectly fine on the same page.

Are you sure he was ok on the same page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497552-3514480822-super.jpg

Look koed to me. Sin, stop commenting on my posts if you are not reading them.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you sure he was ok on the same page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497552-3514480822-super.jpg

Look koed to me. Sin, stop commenting on my posts if you are not reading them.
Same page as in same page as Trevor's comment.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
A comment Steve Trevor made a couple pages after. How accurate the comment was is up for interpretation. For me it was more a passing comment indicating that Zod is dangerous. J'onn seemed perfectly fine on the same page.

That's what i was thinking.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you sure he was ok on the same page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3497552-3514480822-super.jpg

Look koed to me. Sin, stop commenting on my posts if you are not reading them.

Oh ok sorta like how hulk got koed. "Almost" killed is kinda strong use, i mean yea he got blind sided. But almost killed is stretching it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's what i was thinking.



Oh ok sorta like how hulk got koed. "Almost" killed is kinda strong use, i mean yea he got blind sided. But almost killed is stretching it.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's what i was thinking.



Oh ok sorta like how hulk got koed. "Almost" killed is kinda strong use, i mean yea he got blind sided. But almost killed is stretching it.
I do acknowledge that Zod phukked him up. It was impressive. Too bad it's not Faora.

Really?

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about?

He got flash koed (sorta like what happened to nul) from a sneak attack (kinda like what happened to wonder man)..not really a low showing for jonn since he was fine afterwards. "Almost" killed is a stretch.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I do acknowledge that Zod phukked him up. It was impressive. Too bad it's not Faora.

Yea, makes me wonder tho how it'd pan out if it was a straight up match. He could've just phased lol. MM is such a jobber.

Oh i just caught that Faora reference lol, yea too bad.

Originally posted by carver9
Really?
Anyways.. New 52 Wondy still has a ways to go before she can take a majority vs Thor even w/o Mjolnir. He has too many showings of him beating down top tiers with his fists and innate powers alone.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Anyways.. New 52 Wondy still has a ways to go before she can take a majority vs Thor even w/o Mjolnir. He has too many showings of him beating down top tiers with his fists and innate powers alone.

I don't know what else you expect for her to do since she has done some amazing stuff so far. Things that made me give her the majority over Thor of all people. I can not see Thor 'without Mjlonir' replicating her fts. Sorry.

Personally i think Diana wins as well, although its for different reasons

It should be for the same reasons though

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know what else you expect for her to do since she has done some amazing stuff so far. Things that made me give her the majority over Thor of all people. I can not see Thor 'without Mjlonir' replicating her fts. Sorry.
Wait so that Faora and Zod showing is the only reason she wins here? That's it? That's what you're going to hang your hat on?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait so that Faora and Zod showing is the only reason she wins here? That's it? That's what you're going to hang your hat on? His reason WW has better feats than Beta Ray Bill was based entirely on her pushing Amazo.

So if we combine them, he has two reasons. Pushing Amazo and throwing Faora like fodder

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His reason WW has better feats than Beta Ray Bill was based entirely on her pushing Amazo.

So if we combine them, he has two reasons. Pushing Amazo and throwing Faora like fodder
Take away Clark's flight and freeze breath he'd still take a majority over her.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait so that Faora and Zod showing is the only reason she wins here? That's it? That's what you're going to hang your hat on?

Lantern ownage, owning Mongul and Kon at the same time, punch rocking Orion, beating the breaks off of Kara. I know I'm forgetting something but she has been solid. I didn't see her fight against Ares.

Did you not see her throw Faora like fodder though? And Faora was stronger than Zod because she learned her flight fast. So we can attribute a feat to her she doesn't have anything near like beating MM TO DEATH almost

Faora beat MM to death because she was stronger and he would have died.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Take away Clark's flight and freeze breath he'd still take a majority over her.
She'd beat him senseless.

Clark can't fight for shit.

Originally posted by carver9
Lantern ownage, owning Mongul and Kon at the same time, punch rocking Orion, beating the breaks off of Kara. I know I'm forgetting something but she has been solid. I didn't see her fight against Ares. It's Non. That's the second time you called him Kon. The only thing he has to his name is his name and you can't even get that right. Why is he a feat? He was nigh powerless.
Mongul gets ko'ed by being dragged along the floor though. Your words.

Hal isn't a feat when he's written seriously low. He might as well have been a rookie.

Rocking Orion... Mjolnir-less Thor beat Gorr.

Kara is decent but that's her only real decent win. One decent win beats years and years of better wins?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's Non. That's the second time you called him Kon. The only thing he has to his name is his name and you can't even get that right. Why is he a feat? He was nigh powerless.
Mongul gets ko'ed by being dragged along the floor though. Your words.

Hal isn't a feat when he's written seriously low. He might as well have been a rookie.

Rocking Orion... Mjolnir-less Thor beat Gorr.

Kara is decent but that's her only real decent win. One decent win beats years and years of better wins?

I like calling him Kon though. That's one of Mongul lowest showings. Wouldn't suggest he was performing at those levels during that time, especially with all the lip service he was getting while being in the zone.

Why isn't Hal a ft? She was working him and he IS Herald level.

True about Gor. Orion has some good fts as well though. He just killed off an amped planet.

The rest I said were real wins.

Originally posted by carver9
It should be for the same reasons though

Naw your reasons suck. I think she wins cuz Thor has been selling himself short lately. And Di has gotten a little push. In his right mind he'd stomp

Originally posted by carver9
I like calling him Kon though. That's one of Mongul lowest showings. Wouldn't suggest he was performing at those levels during that time, especially with all the lip service he was getting while being in the zone.

Why isn't Hal a ft? She was working him and he IS Herald level.

True about Gor. Orion has some good fts as well though. He just killed off an amped planet.

The rest I said were real wins. You don't even know his name more like it.
He got beaten off panel with Non in who you think is worthy of praise. You have no room to call any other feat one of his lowest.

Because Hal isn't operating anywhere near Thor when Wonder Woman casually breaks all his constructs.
And no she wasn't working him. They each landed 3 attacks on each other. Hal landed the last two before they were broken up. It was an actual fight not an "owning". Plus her first attack was basically a sneak attack when he entrapped her inside the bubble with him.

I don't care what Orion's feats are when he is still in the same tier as her. When all you can say is she rocked him to speak of her great feats then you know you're reaching. Peers rocking each other aren't exactly great to bring up.

The only two wins you brought up were Mongul and Supergirl.
Orion wasn't a win. Stalemating Hal wasn't a win. Tossing Faora wasn't a win. Even your previous best feat of her pushing Amazo wasn't a win.

And it's not like they were so close that they might as well be wins, they weren't even close to being counted wins in any way. Two wins carver. Your entire judgement of Wonder Woman is based on two of her wins according to two different threads.

Originally posted by krisblaze
She'd beat him senseless.

Clark can't fight for shit.
Just like doomsday, eh?

Originally posted by carver9
Lantern ownage, owning Mongul and Kon at the same time, punch rocking Orion, beating the breaks off of Kara. I know I'm forgetting something but she has been solid. I didn't see her fight against Ares.
Rocking Orion? Smh...

Originally posted by krisblaze
She'd beat him senseless.

Clark can't fight for shit.
Until he stops messing around.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How is she more skilled? How is the lasso an instant win? She has displayed better MA skill. I know MA and I can tell if a character is more skilled. She's faster. If she stuns Thor and wraps him with the lasso then she can control him. Or just ko him while he is immobilized.

Originally posted by h1a8
She has displayed better MA skill. I know MA and I can tell if a character is more skilled. She's faster. If she stuns Thor and wraps him with the lasso then she can control him. Or just ko him while he is immobilized.
"I know MA"...

hysterical

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Until he stops messing around.
Still can't hit her though.

Thor's got a better shot in that sense.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Still can't hit her though.

Thor's got a better shot in that sense.
She can hit him a bunch of tomes, but when he connects it's gonna hurt more.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
She can hit him a bunch of tomes, but when he connects it's gonna hurt more.
No, because she'll land full hits and he'll only get glancing blows in.

This is a discussion for a different thread though.

This is a loss for Thor.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Still can't hit her though.

Thor's got a better shot in that sense. Originally posted by krisblaze
No, because she'll land full hits and he'll only get glancing blows in.

This is a discussion for a different thread though.

This is a loss for Thor.
He can beat the shit out of Wraith in a no hold barred fight, bring Hel to his knees in two hits, rip doomsday apart with his bare hands but can't hit wonder woman? Wut?

Just because Soule had to make him look like an idiot when he was tag teamed by two kryptonians suddenly overshadow all his feats? Doomsday thrashed her like a two dollar *****, look what happened to him when he went against Superman.

Wraith, she probably could due to the context.

She was fighting Doomsday beforehand and was holding her own, she was actually winning. The only thing that was hindering her was the poison.

I agree with Kris.

Originally posted by krisblaze
She'd beat him senseless.

Clark can't fight for shit.

Only in the book with Diana. outside of it, he's fine.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith, she probably could due to the context.

She was fighting Doomsday beforehand and was holding her own, she was actually winning. The only thing that was hindering her was the poison.

I agree with Kris.
Shut the **** up. Seriously.

When the **** was any context involved in Wraith fight? In fact before Superman showed up and took Wraith away, he was casually kicking her ass. Superman then beat the shit out of him before he used kryptonite on him.

Haha, GTFO. When was she winning against doomsday? When will you ever accept Doomsday crippling her in a single punch?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut the **** up. Seriously.

When the **** was any context involved in Wraith fight? In fact before Superman showed up and took Wraith away, he was casually kicking her ass. Superman then beat the shit out of him before he used kryptonite on him.

Haha, GTFO. When was she winning against doomsday? When will you ever accept Doomsday crippling her in a single punch?




No context?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut the **** up. Seriously.

When the **** was any context involved in Wraith fight? In fact before Superman showed up and took Wraith away, he was casually kicking her ass. Superman then beat the shit out of him before he used kryptonite on him.

Haha, GTFO. When was she winning against doomsday? When will you ever accept Doomsday crippling her in a single punch?

I think he means where they were near the Earths core and all of Wraith's powers were disabled. So all they had to fight with was speed, strength and skill. Because as we see on the surface of Earth the fight is much different due to the powers not being restricted.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Anyways.. New 52 Wondy still has a ways to go before she can take a majority vs Thor even w/o Mjolnir. He has too many showings of him beating down top tiers with his fists and innate powers alone. You are crazy. WW can match him in strength, is a better fighter, has flight, is much faster (this is the only reason needed really), and has a lasso that can end the fight quickly. There is no way Thor w/o Mjolnir can beat WW. She would severely stomp him mainly because of the speed and skill advantages. The lasso is added unfairness.

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No Prep..
No B.F.R..
Dcnu..



Odinson


Vs


Wonder Woman

Diana finally gets some rest from the kitchen work.

I'm just so amazed at people actually giving this win to Thor.

With Mjolnir I think it's a close fight where Thor takes a majority.

I mean, how do to people consider worthy Thor's abilities in relation to Odinson? Do they think there's no shift in abilities?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Only in the book with Diana. outside of it, he's fine.

Outside of it he flies though, that was part of Cely's stipulation

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I think he means where they were near the Earths core and all of Wraith's powers were disabled. So all they had to fight with was speed, strength and skill. Because as we see on the surface of Earth the fight is much different due to the powers not being restricted.

Then Superman during the end of the fight had Wraith weakness on his hand and to top it off, he threw it in his mouth to finish him. ABHI would go crazy if someone brought up Superman losses with Kryptonite being on board.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are crazy. WW can match him in strength, is a better fighter, has flight, is much faster (this is the only reason needed really), and has a lasso that can end the fight quickly. There is no way Thor w/o Mjolnir can beat WW. She would severely stomp him mainly because of the speed and skill advantages. The lasso is added unfairness.
Much stronger, far more durable, just as skilled, and superior ranged powers. Sorry she goes down here.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
and superior ranged powers.

Jizz blast from wanking his father's cock certainly doesn't count here...

Is Thor going to use plot-lightning as Diana's choking him out?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Is Thor going to use plot-lightning as Diana's choking him out?
He'll use lightning amped punches or blasts. He won't even need Jarnbjorn. That shiet will be on his back the whole time. He'll break her little toy sword, or just straight up overpower her. Only thing she'll end up choking is his chicken. After he's beaten her down of course.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm just so amazed at people actually giving this win to Thor.

With Mjolnir I think it's a close fight where Thor takes a majority.

I mean, how do to people consider worthy Thor's abilities in relation to Odinson? Do they think there's no shift in abilities?



Outside of it he flies though, that was part of Cely's stipulation



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lol @ carver trying to rewrite history. He's worse than Vince McMahon.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He'll use lightning amped punches or blasts. He won't even need Jarnbjorn. That shiet will be on his back the whole time. He'll break her little toy sword, or just straight up overpower her. Only thing she'll end up choking is his chicken. After he's beaten her down of course.
We disagree on where these characters stand in relation to eachother, power-wise.

Yours sounds like a matchup between Thor and Mr.Hyde.

Not Thor and someone who is roughly his equal when he has Mjolnir.

I kinda like Diana in this. I mean yea he's stronger and yea she's faster. Fighting skills are a wash but i think it will come down to that ax, the lass and the sword. What's her lasso and sword best feats? Im only aware of a few feats from new ww

Originally posted by -Pr-


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lol @ carver trying to rewrite history. He's worse than Vince McMahon.

Lol...what did I say wrong?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...what did I say wrong?

We both know the answer to that.