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Isn't owen working for doom

Pre Retcon MM? That dude fired off a blast capable of slagging several BILLION dimensions, gathered all the free energy in the multiverse to reinforce a force field he made to keep Beyonder out, was more powerful than all the multiversal powers combined, and was second only to Pre Retcon Beyonder in power.

Nothing Thanos did with the HotU was beyond Pre Retcon MM's power.

Pre Retcon MM ftw.

HOTU wins handily

Originally posted by zopzop
Pre Retcon MM? That dude fired off a blast capable of slagging several BILLION dimensions, gathered all the free energy in the multiverse to reinforce a force field he made to keep Beyonder out, was more powerful than all the multiversal powers combined, and was second only to Pre Retcon Beyonder in power.

Nothing Thanos did with the HotU was beyond Pre Retcon MM's power.

Pre Retcon MM ftw.



Owen wins...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Owen wins...
I just assumed it was Pre Retcon MM because any other version would get murderstomped.

A possible exception being Post Retcon MM Unleashed. He got into a TRANSMULTIVERSAL throwdown with Post Retcon Beyonder. He'd put up a good fight vs Thanos with the HotU.

Originally posted by zopzop
He got into a TRANSMULTIVERSAL throwdown with Post Retcon Beyonder. He'd put up a good fight vs Thanos with the HotU. He'd put up a good fight against a guy who owned LT casually? Um, no.

For ****'s sake

At first I thought Thanos no problem,But Tim Brevoort says H.O.T.U is in no way a part of Marvel continuity!So my money is on Owen!

What would it matter if it weren't canon? It's still Living Tribunal. That's like saying the Beyonders killing Living Tribunal wasn't 616.

But Tom Breevort isn't comics, and Starlin has written like 3 or 4 different scenes pointing back to Marvel: The End as an event that happened. If Breevort can't even control his writers before he let's shit fly on the shelves, then what good is his whining about it? He could have came down and changed everything that has pointed to The End before it came out, but all he's done is whine about it on the internet. If he's so inept at his job, then why should his word count?

Among other reasons why Breevort is retarded to listen to. At least Quesada actually did things. All Tom seems to do is say stupid things and give Bendis way too much exposure.

Swift I know what you are saying,just like I don`t like the fact that Tom Defalco is the one who retconned the Beyonder and Molecule Man as soon as Jim Shooter left.and I really don`t know who did it a second time,making him a mutant inhuman subjected to the terrigen mists?How the hell did M.M get his power now?They better explain all of this in the new Secret Wars!

Beyonder and MM needed to be retconned though. What Breevort is trying to do is erase an event based purely off the title of a book. He thinks all "The End" titles have to be non canon even if Starlin just used the name and not the "genre"

And funny you should bring up Inhuman Beyonder considering what I said about Bendis. Bendis thought it was a good idea for Beyonder to be an Inhuman.
Thus proving my point that Breevort is terrible for giving him work. I think that's the year Breevort took over too.

I agree their needs to be a cosmic hierarchy in the universe.The Beyonder and Owen where like wild cards at first,but you knew they were going down eventually because they messed up the cosmic order.You knew they has to be retconned,every thought the Beyonder had had universal implications.Far worse is the D.C universe where myxy is practically god,but also a cosmic Idiot!I don`t know how the new Secret Wars is going ,but I hope the Beyonder and Owen are treated with respect and are very powerful beings,they deserve it!

Originally posted by zopzop
Pre Retcon MM? That dude fired off a blast capable of slagging several BILLION dimensions, gathered all the free energy in the multiverse to reinforce a force field he made to keep Beyonder out, was more powerful than all the multiversal powers combined, and was second only to Pre Retcon Beyonder in power.

Nothing Thanos did with the HotU was beyond Pre Retcon MM's power.

Pre Retcon MM ftw.

This is a sacracstic joke yes? Then

HOTU wins

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Beyonder and MM needed to be retconned though. What Breevort is trying to do is erase an event based purely off the title of a book. He thinks all "The End" titles have to be non canon even if Starlin just used the name and not the "genre"

And funny you should bring up Inhuman Beyonder considering what I said about Bendis. Bendis thought it was a good idea for Beyonder to be an Inhuman.
Thus proving my point that Breevort is terrible for giving him work. I think that's the year Breevort took over too. Making the Beyonder an inhuman mutant exposed to the terrigon mists,is one of the worst ideas of all time.How did M.M get his powers now?He farted them through a wall at a nuclear power plant?

@Time Immemorial...

zopzop is 100% correct as pertains to Classic Owen; Thanos with the HotU did absolutely nothing that Owen couldnt replicate...

Thanos.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Time Immemorial...

zopzop is 100% correct as pertains to Classic Owen; Thanos with the HotU did absolutely nothing that Owen couldnt replicate...

Oh so he could kill the LT and recreate the universe?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh so he could kill the LT and recreate the universe?
POST Retcon Beyonder's power, in Spiderman's hands, remade ALL creation. And Spiderman only had that power for a BILLIONTH of a SECOND.

MM Unleashed (aka post retcon MM) BEAT Post Retcon Beyonder in a one on one fight that was transmultiversal.

So yeah.......

Originally posted by zopzop
POST Retcon Beyonder's power, in Spiderman's hands, remade ALL creation. And Spiderman only had that power for a BILLIONTH of a SECOND.

MM Unleashed (aka post retcon MM) BEAT Post Retcon Beyonder in a one on one fight that was transmultiversal.

So yeah.......

Thanos was equal to TOAA, so unless PR MM was equal to TOAA, HOTA has superiority.

Originally posted by zopzop
POST Retcon Beyonder's power, in Spiderman's hands, remade ALL creation. And Spiderman only had that power for a BILLIONTH of a SECOND.

MM Unleashed (aka post retcon MM) BEAT Post Retcon Beyonder in a one on one fight that was transmultiversal.

So yeah....... lol , you really depend on the cheese don't you

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thanos was equal to TOAA, so unless PR MM was equal to TOAA, HOTA has superiority.

Thanos with HotU was not equal to TOAA...

Thanos with HotU was not omniscient or omnipresent (two prereqs to be TOAA); Warlock being outside of space/time (thus undetectable by Thanos until he choose to show himself) was evidence enough of this...

If Thanos had truly been TOAA, nothing Warlock could have done would have placed him outside Thanos (and beyond his sphere of awareness)...

So again, no...Thanos with the HotU was not equal to TOAA.


And now to own your argument utterly, where was the HotU when it was found?

Within our reality...right?

Well, Classic Beyonder was stated on panel to be 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...


The HotU aint impressive compared to Owen and the Beyonder...

Originally posted by Insane Titan
lol , you really depend on the cheese don't you

What zopzop stated was 100% fact...

The truth hurts...doesnt it?

I like retroactively placing the Hotu within 616 so we can say Beyonder was greater than it. Even though he got retconned 20 years before the Hotu became a thing.

So Beyonder can be a million times greater than it...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What zopzop stated was 100% fact...

The truth hurts...doesnt it? why would it hurt.

Neither did nothing either couldn't achieve.

The only difference Thanos was stated on panel as been the Supreme Being in Marvel.

If you want to go down your usual bullshit child route, Pre Retcon MM was hurt by Wolverine, Thanos tanked attacks from every abstract in Marvel at once

Originally posted by Insane Titan
why would it hurt.

Neither did nothing either couldn't achieve.

The only difference Thanos was stated on panel as been the Supreme Being in Marvel.

If you want to go down your usual bullshit child route, Pre Retcon MM was hurt by Wolverine, Thanos tanked attacks from every abstract in Marvel at once

Typically Lord boo response; no wonder Quanchi looks down on you!




Anyway, Owen was hurt by Wolvie prior to Doom helping him realize how powerful he truly was...

Peak Owen was capable of standing toe to toe with Classic Beyonder; No version of Thanos has a feat on that level...


Classic Owen wins...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I like retroactively placing the Hotu within 616 so we can say Beyonder was greater than it. Even though he got retconned 20 years before the Hotu became a thing.

So Beyonder can be a million times greater than it...

Well the HotU was present at the time of Secret Wars 1 and 2; Thanos just hadnt obtained it yet!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Typically Lord boo response; no wonder Quanchi looks down on you!




Anyway, Owen was hurt by Wolvie prior to Doom helping him realize how powerful he truly was...

Peak Owen was capable of standing toe to toe with Classic Beyonder; No version of Thanos has a feat on that level...


Classic Owen wins... still no answer to my question troll.

His power didn't increase his durability to the lvl you think.

I think you mean been outclassed by Beyonder.

MM didn't show he could do anything HOTU did.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
still no answer to my question troll.

His power didn't increase his durability to the lvl you think.

I think you mean been outclassed by Beyonder.

MM didn't show he could do anything HOTU did.

Owens durability (when he realized how powerful he truly was) was as great as he willed it to be; he was able to increase it to the point to where he was able to lockup with Classic Beyonder and hold his own for a short while...

Again, given how powerful Classic Beyonder was, this feat is far, far, FAR greater than Thanos tanking attacks from the Abstracts...

And Owen absolutely demostrated more power on panel than the HotU did; his feats performed while directly engaged with the Beyonder are a testament to it...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Owens durability (when he realized how powerful he truly was) was as great as he willed it to be; he was able to increase it to the point to where he was able to lockup with Classic Beyonder and hold his own for a short while...

Again, given how powerful Classic Beyonder was, this feat is far, far, FAR greater than Thanos tanking attacks from the Abstracts...

And Owen absolutely demostrated more power on panel than the HotU did; his feats performed while directly engaged with the Beyonder are a testament to it... so your argument is MM matching up to Beyonder and getting outclassed......is why he wins lol.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I like retroactively placing the Hotu within 616 so we can say Beyonder was greater than it. Even though he got retconned 20 years before the Hotu became a thing.

So Beyonder can be a million times greater than it...

Its no different than Marvel retroactively placing a Celestial killing spell in Odins library prior to the events in Thor 300...

Besides for the HotU to be what it alledgely was, it would have to had been around when Classic Beyonder was a million times more powerful than everything combined...right?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so your argument is MM matching up to Beyonder and being able to hold his own for a limited period of time......is why he wins

You got it!

You're not as dumb as you look Lord boo!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You got it!

You're not as dumb as you look Lord boo!





so another troll response showing how inept you are.

Show me anything MM did that Thanos couldn't feat wise.

Simple facts MM wasn't a real match for Beyonder so using that as a measuring stick is pure fail

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so another troll response showing how inept you are.

Show me anything MM did that Thanos couldn't feat wise.

Simple facts MM wasn't a real match for Beyonder so using that as a measuring stick is pure fail

The following is a feat of power infinitely beyond HotU's best:

^^ I'd have to bet on Beyonder's creation of the Beyond Realm as something outshining Thanos, not his battle with Owen,
although I'm not really saying Beyonder beats the HOTI or vice versa.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Thanos with HotU was not equal to TOAA...
Thanos didn't become "TOAA" literally, because that's impossible.
Thanos did become the most powerful thing ever, (canonically speaking) that TOAA created.

"TOAA" can't be categorized because from what we know until now, "TOAA" is not even really a character,
it's always been depicted in one form or another as the representative avatars of the actual writers/artists of stories.

So imo, inconsequential concerning hierarchies and vs forums.

The next best thing, in Marvel, imo, THOTI! (canonically speaking)
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Thanos with HotU was not omniscient or omnipresent (two prereqs to be TOAA); Warlock being outside of space/time (thus undetectable by Thanos until he choose to show himself) was evidence enough of this...

If Thanos had truly been TOAA, nothing Warlock could have done would have placed him outside Thanos (and beyond his sphere of awareness)...

I wouldn't say this is the reason why you're right about Thanos not being literally "toaa."
Thanos knew exactly where Warlock was and what he was doing with Gamora.

Thanos' awareness became omniversal:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/22693119_Thanos_Omni.jpg

Warlock had his special plot induced reasons for surviving, as did Miss D.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The following is a feat of power infinitely beyond HotU's best: so using a joint fest is your proof for MM

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so using a joint fest is your proof for MM

Joint feat!?

Dude, either you are profoundly retarded (as Quanchi believes) or you are trolling ...

If you cant grasp the maginitude of what Owen accomplished in standing up to Classic Beyonder like that then Quanchi's stance on you may very well be accurate...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Joint feat!?

Dude, either you are profoundly retarded (as Quanchi believes) or you are trolling ...

If you cant grasp the maginitude of what Owen accomplished in standing up to Classic Beyonder like that then Quanchi's stance on you may very well be accurate... you don't even understand your own scan , they are fighting each other.

You sucking Quans cock only weakens your point.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you don't even understand your own scan , they are fighting each other.

You sucking Quans cock only weakens your point.

I fully undertstand my scan; Owen was able to temporarily match power with a being a million times stronger than Thanos with the HotU...

But things must be explained to one who's IQ is below 20...

When Thanos had the H.O T U. I thought he was more powerful than the gauntlet,and he most likely was.But even though he beat the abstracts,he only beat a sliver of the Tribunal.Making him Master of one universe,not the multi-verse like the Beyonders did!Korvac did the same thing in a what if from 1982(And the Tribunal was there,so it makes it canon.)Beat a sliver of the tribunal I mean one reality!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I fully undertstand my scan; Owen was able to temporarily match power with a being a million times stronger than Thanos with the HotU...

But things must be explained to one who's IQ is below 20... he was still outclassed in the end.

And you have zero proof of the millions more times powerful than the HOTU.

That prolly why you don't understand your own scan then

Originally posted by Insane Titan
he was still outclassed in the end.

And you have zero proof of the millions more times powerful than the HOTU.

That prolly why you don't understand your own scan then

Oh I have proof, but your brain is just too slow to process it; here, I'll assist you:

1) HotU was located within our reality...fact.
2) Classic Beyonder stated on panel to be 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...fact.
3) Classic Owen was able to match powers with this beast temporarily...fact.


See Lord boo, that wasnt that hard...

Maybe for you it was!




Anyway, Classic Owen wins...

Wait, so the Beyonders were taking their time with Celestials, other abstracts etc etc. Needing to gang up on them in some cases, but working for their victories.

And Doom has, in his basement, a single guy who is 1 million times stronger than ALL of them, combined?

This upcoming showdown between Doom and the Ivory Kings is gonna be super short, lol.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh I have proof, but your brain is just too slow to process it; here, I'll assist you:

1) HotU was located within our reality...fact.
2) Classic Beyonder stated on panel to be 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...fact.
3) Classic Owen was able to match powers with this beast temporarily...fact.


See Lord boo, that wasnt that hard...

Maybe for you it was!




Anyway, Classic Owen wins... HOTU wasnt located at all when Beyonder was around.
So again all you've done is show how stupid you are.

Originally posted by zom1967

When Thanos had the H.O T U.

he only beat a sliver of the Tribunal.

Making him Master of one universe
Scans of this depiction/portrayal on panel, or scans of this claim/affirmation on panel or handbooks.

I guarantee you'll find none.

Thanos absorbed the Living Tribunal, in full. Simple.
Thanos absorbed all of space-time (& everyone connected to it) across Marvel. (only realms outside of space-time remained)
Originally posted by zom1967

Korvac did the same thing in a what if from 1982
Korvac never confronted the LT, heck, he never met or even saw the LT.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
HOTU wasnt located at all when Beyonder was around.
So again all you've done is show how stupid you are.

No, you are proving Quanchi right with your profound level of stupidity...

The HotU had to have been around during the time of Classic Beyonder/Owen for it to be what it alledgedly was...

Thats simple logic; sadly, you are too dumb to grasp such a simple thing...

Pity...I'm glad I'm smarter than you!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No, you are proving Quanchi right with your profound level of stupidity...

The HotU had to have been around during the time of Classic Beyonder/Owen for it to be what it alledgedly was...

Thats simple logic; sadly, you are too dumb to grasp such a simple thing...

Pity...I'm glad I'm smarter than you!

let's see you back up your claim the HOTU was around at thst time.

Il wait to see the proof or more like you been a troll that's wrong again

Originally posted by Insane Titan
let's see you back up your claim the HOTU was around at thst time.

Il wait to see the proof or more like you been a troll that's wrong again

Oh, you dont know what the HotU is...explains alot.

Concession accepted!

:-)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh, you dont know what the HotU is...explains alot.

Concession accepted!

:-) so no proof just a troll answer.

Clear for everyone to see how wrong you are AGAIN.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh, you dont know what the HotU is...explains alot.

Concession accepted!

:-)



Tell me what it is then...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Tell me what it is then... you made the claim and statement , you back it up.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you made the claim and statement , you back it up.

I already have; you just refuse to accept it...

Owen wins and you cant stand it!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos with HotU was not equal to TOAA...

Thanos with HotU was not omniscient or omnipresent (two prereqs to be TOAA); Warlock being outside of space/time (thus undetectable by Thanos until he choose to show himself) was evidence enough of this...

If Thanos had truly been TOAA, nothing Warlock could have done would have placed him outside Thanos (and beyond his sphere of awareness)...

So again, no...Thanos with the HotU was not equal to TOAA.


And now to own your argument utterly, where was the HotU when it was found?

Within our reality...right?

Well, Classic Beyonder was stated on panel to be 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...


The HotU aint impressive compared to Owen and the Beyonder...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I already have; you just refuse to accept it...

Owen wins and you cant stand it!

stop lying and actually prove it with a scan child

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos with HotU was not equal to TOAA...

Thanos with HotU was not omniscient or omnipresent (two prereqs to be TOAA); Warlock being outside of space/time (thus undetectable by Thanos until he choose to show himself) was evidence enough of this...

If Thanos had truly been TOAA, nothing Warlock could have done would have placed him outside Thanos (and beyond his sphere of awareness)...

So again, no...Thanos with the HotU was not equal to TOAA.


And now to own your argument utterly, where was the HotU when it was found?

Within our reality...right?

Well, Classic Beyonder was stated on panel to be 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...


The HotU aint impressive compared to Owen and the Beyonder...

Logic for the win!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Time Immemorial...

zopzop is 100% correct as pertains to Classic Owen; Thanos with the HotU did absolutely nothing that Owen couldnt replicate...

You mean besides being his clear superior in the hierarchy of marvel? Thanos was literally stated to have TOAA power, and having that power means this is a non fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You mean besides being his clear superior in the hierarchy of marvel? Thanos was literally stated to have TOAA power, and having that power means this is a non fight.


Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Statements

Classic Owen has better feats than Thanos with HotU...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Statements

Classic Owen has better feats than Thanos with HotU... lol

Beyonder was only as powerful as he was because of statements. Nothing he actually did put him above Living Tribunal.

Strange...

I vividly recall Classic Beyonder punking all the abstracts (Tribunal included) when he killed Multiversial Death right infront of them and they couldnt do anything about it...

They begged him not to do it...

I'd say he demonstrated that he was well beyond the Tribunal in that instance...

Originally posted by zom1967
When Thanos had the H.O T U. I thought he was more powerful than the gauntlet,and he most likely was.But even though he beat the abstracts,he only beat a sliver of the Tribunal.Making him Master of one universe,not the multi-verse like the Beyonders did!Korvac did the same thing in a what if from 1982(And the Tribunal was there,so it makes it canon.)Beat a sliver of the tribunal I mean one reality! http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/not-bad-agreement/picgifs-not-bad-agreement-002033.gif

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Strange...

I vividly recall Classic Beyonder punking all the abstracts (Tribunal included) when he killed Multiversial Death right infront of them and they couldnt do anything about it...

They begged him not to do it...

I'd say he demonstrated that he was well beyond the Tribunal in that instance...


When Swift tells you that you're wrong.

It's canon.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Strange...

I vividly recall Classic Beyonder punking all the abstracts (Tribunal included) when he killed Multiversial Death right infront of them and they couldnt do anything about it...

They begged him not to do it...

I'd say he demonstrated that he was well beyond the Tribunal in that instance... Not doing anything isn't a feat though. If Hulk doesn't punch Thor in the face, that isn't a quantifiable feat of power.

Begging is talking. That is not his power.

His feat was erasing Death. That is a feat. Living Tribunal could have stated that Beyonder could erase him with the flick of his finger and that still would be a statement.

Everything Beyonder did approaching Tribunal level was a statement. Him being millions of times greater than the multiverse is a statement.
If you're arguing statements don't matter with HOTU then why are you arguing for Beyonder/Molecule Man when that's all they have to even begin to compare to what the HOTU did?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not doing anything isn't a feat though. If Hulk doesn't punch Thor in the face, that isn't a quantifiable feat of power.

Begging is talking. That is not his power.

His feat was erasing Death. That is a feat. Living Tribunal could have stated that Beyonder could erase him with the flick of his finger and that still would be a statement.

Everything Beyonder did approaching Tribunal level was a statement. Him being millions of times greater than the multiverse is a statement.
If you're arguing statements don't matter with HOTU then why are you arguing for Beyonder/Molecule Man when that's all they have to even begin to compare to what the HOTU did?

Ok, 1st off, I see I need to point out a flawed arguing strategy that you use over and over again that will get you crushed in debates: you put words into peoples mouth...

You've done this before when debating me (which lead to me beating you) and now you are doing it again; it doesnt work...stop doing it.


I never said that statements dont matter...

Not once, so your whole "counter" falls apart as result; you are completely and utterly wrong on what you are saying...your whole "counter" is invalid.


Now to clear the air, statements absolutely matter, especially as pertains to being abstract level and above...but statements dont matter as much as feats; you need both, but feats are more important.

Classic Owen, Thanos with HotU, Classic Beyonder all have statements proclaiming how badass they are...so (IMHO) what sets them apart are feats...

From what I have seen Thanos with HotU best feat is owning Tribunal and all the abstracts; that is a dam good feat, but it falls short of Owens feat of temporarily matching power with a being 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...

And that is especially true since the HotU was present in our reality at the time of Secret Wars 2 issue 9 (as Insane Titan ignorantly ignores, logic dictates that for the HotU to be what it is, there is no way it could not have been around when Classic Beyonder/Owen fought, just like the Infinity Gems were around as well)...


So inconclusion, the mixture of statements and feats points to Classic Owen (and especially Classic Beyonder) being greater than Thanos with HotU...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I never said that statements dont matter...


Now to clear the air, statements absolutely matter, especially as pertains to being abstract level and above...but statements dont matter as much as feats; you need both, but feats are more important.

Classic Owen, Thanos with HotU, Classic Beyonder all have statements proclaiming how badass they are...so (IMHO) what sets them apart are feats...

From what I have seen Thanos with HotU best feat is owning Tribunal and all the abstracts; that is a dam good feat, but it falls short of Owens feat of temporarily matching power with a being 1 million times stronger than everything in our reality combined...

And that is especially true since the HotU was present in our reality at the time of Secret Wars 2 issue 9 (as Insane Titan ignorantly ignores, logic dictates that for the HotU to be what it is, there is no way it could not have been around when Classic Beyonder/Owen fought, just like the Infinity Gems were around as well)...


So inconclusion, the mixture of statements and feats points to Classic Owen (and especially Classic Beyonder) being greater than Thanos with HotU... Here's without the posturing and lies.

Anyway, HOTU was literally God's power. Let's look what happens when a statement gets used against you:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You mean besides being his clear superior in the hierarchy of marvel? Thanos was literally stated to have TOAA power, and having that power means this is a non fight. Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Statements

Classic Owen has better feats than Thanos with HotU...

You tried to marginalize that into only a statement. Acting like it's completely unimportant. Look at the arrows for indication.

And then here you are now stating how important statements are. What was your point with your prior post then? What was the point of stating how feats are more important?
Your backtracking though because you realize Beyonder is all statements is cute though.

"Statements about God's power, well that isn't very good because his feats of effortlessly killing the entire universe at the same time weren't great."

"Oh ****, that's right, Beyonder was all statements...

Well, statements are super important. Look at me get angry for you responding to my post and taking it in the way it's laid out."

Like I don't even get how your first post was even supposed to get taken seriously. You said feats>>>>>>>statements, and then based Molecule Man's feats off of statements.

Also, Beyonder was supposed to be a million times greater than Molecule Man too.
And that statement came an issue after he got rocked by Molecule Man and taken by surprise by the Hulk. Which leaves us at hyperbole. He can't be millions of times greater than a being who's able to match him. Quite simple really. You taking that literally is hilarious btw.
And yes, it's millions. Not 1 million. You can't even get your facts straight.

The HOTU was not. The HOTU wasn't a thing. It did not exist. The IG was not a thing, or at least, it being put together wasn't a thing. You can't retroactively add things in to apply a statement to something that came later. You taking that literally means you think Beyonder was millions of times greater than God too... which judging by how quickly you tried to rule that out without addressing it, I'm not sure you believe it.

What you're doing is taking hyperbole like "most powerful on the planet" and you're taking that literally. And that's bad enough, but then you're retroactively applying that to anything that gets added into canon at a later date. How can you believe this is good logic? What if a being was created that was billions of times greater than the rest of the multiverse? Would Beyonder still somehow be millions of times greater? Like, such terrible logic, I can't believe I'm replying to this.

Here's a very simple example.
It can be argued that TaaII is perhaps a greater power source than the HOTU:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/012SecretWars10.jpg

Galactus is the only being capable of facing Sphinx. Which put Galactus at number 1 and Sphinx at 2 in the universe and maybe beyond. That goes for every being ever apparently. Sphinx >>> Beyonder?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/FF212_05.jpg

Mjolnir striking Mjolnir is the most powerful energy source since the big bang. This happened after Secret Wars 2 too. So it's not even retroactive that Mjolnir/Mjolnir >>> Beyonder/Molecule Man. Direct.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir165-StrikingPower439.jpg

Nothing could stand against Hulk and Loki teamed up together. If only they stood side by side against the HOTU would they have won the fight. The crazy thing is if this counts as Beyonder being millions of times greater since this is only accomplishable if Loki/Hulk team up... nah, nothing could stand against them, so it must not have been counting them as a team up.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk/HulkRespect10TTA1.jpg

Odin is the mightiest of the mightiest. If only he was alive when the The End happened.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/3817425-2295317726-odin%2B.jpg

I don't really care to look more than that. There's hundreds of dumb statements that can be taken literally to include many beings being above the HOTU and other things they clearly aren't even when those things exist. It's even worse when you get retroactive about it. Hell, the first time Namor appeared he was the strongest being ever. Naturally we should include every being that came later. Everything contradicts Namor's first appearance. Doesn't count.

But you think you're safe because your character hides behind a retcon. Even though that says it all right there. But even in the context of the storyline, he got rocked by Dr Doom. He got held up by Galactus Doom and got his powers stolen, he got matched by Molecule Man. He got wrassled by Hulk. The Molecule Man example is cute to me considering he was supposed to be millions of times greater than him along with the rest of Marvel... and you're using both the statement and him matching Beyonder to try and prove your point. Do you not see how badly that conflicts each other?
Beyonder gets matched by a being millions of times less than him and we're supposed to take that seriously? One of those has to be false. Either Molecule Man matching him was as pis as Doom rocking him, or Beyonder is clearly not millions of times greater.

Or we use common sense.

Anyway, HOTU was God's power and it effortlessly destroyed all the abstracts. That's the part you're leaving out. God's power.



Basically retroactively adding the HOTU into a ****ing hyperbole statement made almost two decades before the HOTU existed is retarded as shit. But that's your only "proof". A statement, and twisting and squirming.
If Beyonder is greater than the HOTU it's because of what he did. Not because the HOTU magically existed before Jim Starlin even wrote Infinity Gauntlet and the statement also applies to it.



This argument makes me feel stupid. Sinking to your levels and shit. Now all I need to do is bump this thread every couple hours with a dancing smiley even if you reply.
I can't even find the words to describe how stupid this is. I can't even put forth a good argument because it's dumbfounding how dumb this is to even try and argue. How do you function at these levels?


You should create a thread asking if the HOTU applies to a statement made about Beyonder's power though. That'd turn out swimmingly I'd imagine.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scans of this depiction/portrayal on panel, or scans of this claim/affirmation on panel or handbooks.

I guarantee you'll find none.

Thanos absorbed the Living Tribunal, in full. Simple.
Thanos absorbed all of space-time (& everyone connected to it) across Marvel. (only realms outside of space-time remained)

Korvac never confronted the LT, heck, he never met or even saw the LT. Dont assume,just ask me where I saw it and I will tell you!Korvac had alredy absorbed the powers of 6 or 7 of the mightiest cosmics and the whole Celestial host on earth.when the Tribunal met out punishment,Korvac was as huge as a planet and resisted him.The Tribunal gave up this universe for dead and sealed it off.Korvac than used the nullifier to destroy it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here's without the posturing and lies.

Anyway, HOTU was literally God's power. Let's look what happens when a statement gets used against you:


You tried to marginalize that into only a statement. Acting like it's completely unimportant. Look at the arrows for indication.

And then here you are now stating how important statements are. What was your point with your prior post then? What was the point of stating how feats are more important?
Your backtracking though because you realize Beyonder is all statements is cute though.

"Statements about God's power, well that isn't very good because his feats of effortlessly killing the entire universe at the same time weren't great."

"Oh ****, that's right, Beyonder was all statements...

Well, statements are super important. Look at me get angry for you responding to my post and taking it in the way it's laid out."

Like I don't even get how your first post was even supposed to get taken seriously. You said feats>>>>>>>statements, and then based Molecule Man's feats off of statements.

Also, Beyonder was supposed to be a million times greater than Molecule Man too.
And that statement came an issue after he got rocked by Molecule Man and taken by surprise by the Hulk. Which leaves us at hyperbole. He can't be millions of times greater than a being who's able to match him. Quite simple really. You taking that literally is hilarious btw.
And yes, it's millions. Not 1 million. You can't even get your facts straight.

The HOTU was not. The HOTU wasn't a thing. It did not exist. The IG was not a thing, or at least, it being put together wasn't a thing. You can't retroactively add things in to apply a statement to something that came later. You taking that literally means you think Beyonder was millions of times greater than God too... which judging by how quickly you tried to rule that out without addressing it, I'm not sure you believe it.

What you're doing is taking hyperbole like "most powerful on the planet" and you're taking that literally. And that's bad enough, but then you're retroactively applying that to anything that gets added into canon at a later date. How can you believe this is good logic? What if a being was created that was billions of times greater than the rest of the multiverse? Would Beyonder still somehow be millions of times greater? Like, such terrible logic, I can't believe I'm replying to this.

Here's a very simple example.
It can be argued that TaaII is perhaps a greater power source than the HOTU:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/012SecretWars10.jpg

Galactus is the only being capable of facing Sphinx. Which put Galactus at number 1 and Sphinx at 2 in the universe and maybe beyond. That goes for every being ever apparently. Sphinx >>> Beyonder?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/FF212_05.jpg

Mjolnir striking Mjolnir is the most powerful energy source since the big bang. This happened after Secret Wars 2 too. So it's not even retroactive that Mjolnir/Mjolnir >>> Beyonder/Molecule Man. Direct.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir165-StrikingPower439.jpg

Nothing could stand against Hulk and Loki teamed up together. If only they stood side by side against the HOTU would they have won the fight. The crazy thing is if this counts as Beyonder being millions of times greater since this is only accomplishable if Loki/Hulk team up... nah, nothing could stand against them, so it must not have been counting them as a team up.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk/HulkRespect10TTA1.jpg

Odin is the mightiest of the mightiest. If only he was alive when the The End happened.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/3817425-2295317726-odin%2B.jpg

I don't really care to look more than that. There's hundreds of dumb statements that can be taken literally to include many beings being above the HOTU and other things they clearly aren't even when those things exist. It's even worse when you get retroactive about it. Hell, the first time Namor appeared he was the strongest being ever. Naturally we should include every being that came later. Everything contradicts Namor's first appearance. Doesn't count.

But you think you're safe because your character hides behind a retcon. Even though that says it all right there. But even in the context of the storyline, he got rocked by Dr Doom. He got held up by Galactus Doom and got his powers stolen, he got matched by Molecule Man. He got wrassled by Hulk. The Molecule Man example is cute to me considering he was supposed to be millions of times greater than him along with the rest of Marvel... and you're using both the statement and him matching Beyonder to try and prove your point. Do you not see how badly that conflicts each other?
Beyonder gets matched by a being millions of times less than him and we're supposed to take that seriously? One of those has to be false. Either Molecule Man matching him was as pis as Doom rocking him, or Beyonder is clearly not millions of times greater.

Or we use common sense.

Anyway, HOTU was God's power and it effortlessly destroyed all the abstracts. That's the part you're leaving out. God's power.



Basically retroactively adding the HOTU into a ****ing hyperbole statement made almost two decades before the HOTU existed is retarded as shit. But that's your only "proof". A statement, and twisting and squirming.
If Beyonder is greater than the HOTU it's because of what he did. Not because the HOTU magically existed before Jim Starlin even wrote Infinity Gauntlet and the statement also applies to it.



This argument makes me feel stupid. Sinking to your levels and shit. Now all I need to do is bump this thread every couple hours with a dancing smiley even if you reply.
I can't even find the words to describe how stupid this is. I can't even put forth a good argument because it's dumbfounding how dumb this is to even try and argue. How do you function at these levels?


You should create a thread asking if the HOTU applies to a statement made about Beyonder's power though. That'd turn out swimmingly I'd imagine. I didn't want to be a part of this..but the amount of ridiculousness in this post man

@Branlor

I didnt lie at all; my post is 100% truth...

You cant hide the fact that you put words in my mouth and accused me of saying something that I didnt say; you invalidated your argument and no amount of scans or text can change that...


Just give up...

You lost the fight without even getting out of the 1st round; even Insane Titan put up more resistance than you did...


FYI, Owens power originated beyond our reality, so its not included in that 1 million times statement...

Also, Classic Beyonders power has been referred to as GODS power on several occasions as well...

And when you add to the equation that the HotU didnt provide Thanos with true omnipresence (which I point out in a previous post), then its not truly allpowerful regardless of what the text says...

If we go by the statement that someone has the power of god, then we have a lot of supreme beings, just m2c.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If we go by the statement that someone has the power of god, then we have a lot of supreme beings, just m2c.

Agreed, so now we have to use feats to set them apart...right?

Owen temporarily matching power with a being a million times stronger than everything in our reality combined trumps beating all the abstracts...wouldnt you agree?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Agreed, so now we have to use feats to set them apart...right?

Owen temporarily matching power with a being a million times stronger than everything in our reality combined trumps beating all the abstracts...wouldnt you agree?

No i wouldn't tbh. Secret Wars or what the beyonder did was an illusion, the LT from back then, even if you divide it into pre-rec and rec, was either Multiversal back during the pre-rec times and was omniversal in the post rec times. Iow the Marvel verse became bigger over the time and LT more powerful.

If you say there is a pre-rec beyonder that was powerful than a Multiversal LT, fine but I would say that later LT became Omniversal and hence more powerful than a single beyonder.

If we go by what is canon, than LT was always more powerful.

As for the HOTU, I still believe it is Universal not Omniversal, and it makes you the god of the Universe you are in, and each reality has it's share of subrealities/dimensions or whatever as we know. It is not different from the IG in that regard just a bit more powerful. People told me here that an IG, although Universal, can beat Multiversal powers if they are within the Universe, this can be applied to the HOTU as well, if someone comes inside the Universe the one having those powers would prevail most likely as he is the "God" of that Universe.

Maybe it is like with the Helllords, they are maybe just trans beings outside of their realm but inside their power is much much greater.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Branlor

I didnt lie at all; my post is 100% truth...

You cant hide the fact that you put words in my mouth and accused me of saying something that I didnt say; you invalidated your argument and no amount of scans or text can change that...


Just give up...

You lost the fight without even getting out of the 1st round; even Insane Titan put up more resistance than you did...


FYI, Owens power originated beyond our reality, so its not included in that 1 million times statement...

Also, Classic Beyonders power has been referred to as GODS power on several occasions as well...

And when you add to the equation that the HotU didnt provide Thanos with true omnipresence (which I point out in a previous post), then its not truly allpowerful regardless of what the text says... more bullshit bravado.

You didn't post any scan proving what you claimed.

I feel sorry for your after the way Bran just abused you

Originally posted by Insane Titan
more bullshit bravado.

You didn't post any scan proving what you claimed.

I feel sorry for your after the way Bran just abused you

Who are you to talk?

How many times have you had to change your screen name on here!? Atleast twice...

Lol...you personify ignorance on here and everyone knows it.

Leave the debating to the grown-ups...ok?

:-)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Who are you to talk?

How many times have you had to change your screen name on here!? Atleast twice...

Lol...you personify ignorance on here and everyone knows it.

Leave the debating to the grown-ups...ok?

:-) had too? Lol I changed it by choice numb nuts.

Let's see you back up what you actually claimed , cmon surely you can ?

So youre not including yourself here then? As all you've ever done is this baby troll routine when proven wrong

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Who are you to talk?

How many times have you had to change your screen name on here!? Atleast twice...

Lol...you personify ignorance on here and everyone knows it.

Leave the debating to the grown-ups...ok?

:-)

Ignore him. He is an angry and pitiful creature that struggles too much with life and just tries to piss people of in order to let some steam off.

Iow don't feed the troll.

Haha irony from the passive aggressive tough guy, who cries at posters bias yet tries to justify his own hiding behind his fake persona.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If we go by the statement that someone has the power of god, then we have a lot of supreme beings, just m2c. Isn't it also how we define god?

@T C McAbe

You are correct, ultimately it was all illusion, but at the time of the writing the events of Secret Wars 2 was not illusion; thus the usage of Classic Owen (who's power level had not yet been retconned)...

As originally written, temporarily matching power with Classic Beyonder beats defeating the abstracts imo...

I fully agree with you about the Infinity Gauntlet btw; the comparison to Hell Lords seems to be accurate...

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Haha irony from the passive aggressive tough guy, who cries at posters bias yet tries to justify his own hiding behind his fake persona.

You are incapable of rational debate...arent you?

Why are you always so angry?

You anger is what got your previous persona, Nihilist, banned...

Dont you learn from your mistakes?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ignore him. He is an angry and pitiful creature that struggles too much with life and just tries to piss people of in order to let some steam off.

Iow don't feed the troll.

Lol!

I think where the confusion comes in is that,the H.O.T.U,and the gauntlet make you god of that respective reality.But not the multi-verse,like they said in new avengers #30 the Beyonder`s beat the entire living tribunal,not a sliver from each universe.The strange thing about that is I.M.O. It makes the ultiamate nullifier stronger than both because it can reset the entire multi-verse!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are incapable of rational debate...arent you?

Why are you always so angry?

You anger is what got your previous persona, Nihilist, banned...

Dont you learn from your mistakes? who's angry ? I'm not the one acting like a child.

My old account wasn't banned you've been corrected several times and still you don't understand.

All you have to do is prove your point you've been saying, so let's see the scans

Originally posted by zom1967

Dont assume,just ask me where I saw it and I will tell you!
I'm not "assuming" friend. I was asking rhetorically since I know no such evidence exists.
Originally posted by zom1967

Korvac had alredy absorbed the powers of 6 or 7 of the mightiest cosmics and the whole Celestial host on earth.

when the Tribunal met out punishment,

Korvac was as huge as a planet and resisted him.

The Tribunal gave up this universe for dead and sealed it off.
Korvac never met, or even saw the LT, so how did he resist him? Actually that's more sarcasm.

No, what really happened is that the LT for whatever "What If" retarded reasons,
decided to use the local puny sun to attack Korvac.
LT, instead of his own power which can at-least encase an entire universe in the story,
used a single star against a guy who had absorbed a celestial host, 7 cosmics, and all on Earth

If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.

So again, Korvac never met, saw, confronted or resisted the LT directly.

Molecule Man did not stalemate the Beyonder, Owen was overwhelmed quickly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would love to see scans of this horse shit fallacy ...

Beware LoM of the ill-info spread by intransigent bias.

Wasnt it all (canon wise) a ruse set up by the cosmics?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Wasnt it all (canon wise) a ruse set up by the cosmics?
No good friend.

Everything happened with the exception of Beyonder being "millionS of times" greater, and the Celestial beat down.

But everything else, occurred, including killing Death, & threatening Eternity's life,
even Eternity mooching some of Beyonder's power to attack him via the Beyonderbane machine.

Heck, even post retcon Owen and Beyonder contributed in a beyond-Multiversal feat.

... meh, Beyonder's power alone became/remade all creation (past-present-future) in 2010.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No good friend.

Everything happened with the exception of Beyonder being "millionS of times" greater, and the Celestial beat down.

But everything else, occurred, including killing Death, & threatening Eternity's life,
even Eternity mooching some of Beyonder's power to attack him via the Beyonderbane machine.

Heck, even post retcon Owen and Beyonder contributed in a beyond-Multiversal feat.

... meh, Beyonder's power alone became/remade all creation (past-present-future) in 2010.

I am aware of the Death event still remaining canon, the fight Post Retcon Owen/Beyonder had, and the remaking of all reality...I've spoken on those things previously.

It was the Celestial event that I was confused on; so what you are saying is that that fight (between Classic Beyonder and the Celestials) was ultimately an illusion cast by the Celestials to fool the Beyonder?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

It was the Celestial event that I was confused on; so what you are saying is that that fight (between Classic Beyonder and the Celestials) was ultimately an illusion cast by the Celestials to fool the Beyonder?
Yes. Although that's senseless. It was never portrayed on panel. It's based on a single statement.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Branlor

I didnt lie at all; my post is 100% truth... Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
(which lead to me beating you)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You cant hide the fact that you put words in my mouth and accused me of saying something that I didnt say; you invalidated your argument and no amount of scans or text can change that...


Just give up...

You lost the fight without even getting out of the 1st round; even Insane Titan put up more resistance than you did...



So me putting words in your mouth means that a completely other unrelated note doesn't count? Desperation 101.

"You scorned me, your argument doesn't count"

Also, you tried to invalidate the HOTU's statement, followed along, and then realized how many statements Beyonder's power is based on and then backtracked to hell.
Even if I did put those words in your mouth, it isn't unfounded.

And here's an important part as well:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you're arguing statements don't matter with HOTU


Not that I care about putting words in your mouth since you're seriously backtracking, and the words I jammed in your mouth have nothing to do with the actual meat of the "argument" in the first place. I could have said that you were saying the HOTU is weaker than Silver Surfer, and that would still have no effect on the actual important details.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
FYI, Owens power originated beyond our reality, so its not included in that 1 million times statement...

Also, Classic Beyonders power has been referred to as GODS power on several occasions as well...

And when you add to the equation that the HotU didnt provide Thanos with true omnipresence (which I point out in a previous post), then its not truly allpowerful regardless of what the text says... It doesn't matter where Molecule Man's power came from, that statement doesn't exclude.
And it outright says in the multiverse. Molecule Man has never been outside the multiverse to my recollection at that point.
Here, this outright states that Molecule Man is part of the powers in the multiverse:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/13_1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/14_1.jpg

Thanos was everything.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-03.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-04.jpg

And when he wasn't, he was distracted by acclimating to the powers. Everything in the comic is blatantly spelled out. He missed Warlock because he was in a blind rage. He missed the abstracts plotting because he was distracted by his newfound senses. He also flawlessly told everything that happened immediately after he did it to Warlock and he didn't miss a single detail. So uh, yeah.

Not that I understand how omnipresence has anything to do with a forum battle. This is about power, not Thanos becoming a sun and shining some sunshine rays on Molecule Man.

However, in addition to the above two scans, Thanos was referred to as God's power or the supreme power, or divine power, or almight in at least 21 different pages. And that's ignoring terms like "omnipotent, limitless, or infinite". With them it becomes double... maybe even triple.
That's basically an entire comic worth of pages reaffirming that he indeed has God's power. You want to talk about ultimate statements?
And I'm just counting the pages. The pages within contain way more references that keep on confirming it over and over again.

But you still doubt it, no?
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-01.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-14.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-22.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-02.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-08.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend67.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend610.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend62.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend315.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend64.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend614.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/theend312.jpg

And in three separate issues outside the actual event too:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos08.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos09.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos10.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos01.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Revelation-038.jpg




Also, Beyonder wasn't completely omnipresent either, nor was his omniscient. I don't see you doubting his power. The difference was however, that Thanos was those things.
The double standards here are ridiculous on your behalf.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not "assuming" friend. I was asking rhetorically since I know no such evidence exists.

Korvac never met, or even saw the LT, so how did he resist him? Actually that's more sarcasm.

No, what really happened is that the LT for whatever "What If" retarded reasons,
decided to use the local puny sun to attack Korvac.
LT, instead of his own power which can at-least encase an entire universe in the story,
used a single star against a guy who had absorbed a celestial host, 7 cosmics, and all on Earth

If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.

So again, Korvac never met, saw, confronted or resisted the LT directly. I can agree they never directly met,but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.So the tribunal sealed off this universe and left.I know after that korvac uses the nullifier and destroys the universe,what death has to do with it I forgot have the book but haven`t read it in like 20years,so you could be right about that too!

Thanos would absolutely dominate Owen, even at his best. You could probably give Owen the LT, Beyonder, and several other Abstract's, and I bet that they would still be trashed.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos would absolutely dominate Owen, even at his best. You could probably give Owen the LT, Beyonder, and several other Abstract's, and I bet that they would still be trashed. The problem here is the H.O.T.U A multi-versal weapon.I don`t think so I.M.O,Owen had Multi-versal power`s in S.W 1 and 2.(at least when Doom helped him out)So I can see him or the Beyonder taking out Thanos,no matter how much universal power he gained.That sounds logical to me!

^^ By the time Thanos absorbed the LT,

the LT had already manipulated the power of Two Comic book companies in one hand.

Originally posted by zom1967

but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.
No my friend. Korvac did not resist the LT's power.

Korvac resisted the local sun going nova which the LT initiated.

When the LT exercised his power directly against Korvac he displayed absolute universal influence over that reality.

There are billionS of stars in a single galaxy, one can only imagine what a universe contains,
yet the LT decided to use a single star against Korvac.
Mind you, and LT knew about Korvac absorbing the Celestial host and others. Dumb shit.

Gruenwald should've never included the LT in that story.
Because evidently he didn't know what to do with him and ended up cissing/pissing all over em.

Anyway, the story called for Korvac to end the universe, which is why Griuenwald wasn't able to use the LT to stomp em.
Which again leads to my point, the LT had no business there.

Yet krvac resisted LTs ultimate judgement, canon if peeps like it or not.

Originally posted by zom1967

but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.
So yea, perhaps his "ultimate judgement" had nothing to do with his power exercised directly.

.. cause there's like an infinite gap between a solar power and universal power:

Making a sun go nova = solar level

Separating an entire universe in a barrier = universal level

Actually ... ...

Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?

Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ By the time Thanos absorbed the LT,

the LT had already manipulated the power of Two Comic book companies in one hand.


No my friend. Korvac did not resist the LT's power.

Korvac resisted the local sun going nova which the LT initiated.

When the LT exercised his power directly against Korvac he displayed absolute universal influence over that reality.

There are billionS of stars in a single galaxy, one can only imagine what a universe contains,
yet the LT decided to use a single star against Korvac.
Mind you, and LT knew about Korvac absorbing the Celestial host and others. Dumb shit.

Gruenwald should've never included the LT in that story.
Because evidently he didn't know what to do with him and ended up cissing/pissing all over em.

Anyway, the story called for Korvac to end the universe, which is why Griuenwald wasn't able to use the LT to stomp em.
Which again leads to my point, the LT had no business there. your right,but I am not really sure the Tribunal was no.2 then,and if you want to split hairs about his power your right again.But you have to admit Korvac was such a bad ass in this universe the Tribunal almost shit himself.I don`t no if they have depends for cosmic beings,but I may have cornered the market!

^^ The only problem with that story is Gruenwald including the LT.

There are also several inconsistencies.

Like why would Miss Death need to help Korvac survive a silly sun going nova? (amongst other senseless shit)

btw. The only one who shitted his pants was Korvac himself, at the sight of that universal armada coming for em.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?
Well, one is actually legitimately ill-informed, the other is just the gum that trails my foot steps.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?

Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?

In that Universe he didn't had much more he could do it seems, another supreme being was in that Universe above him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ The only problem with that story is Gruenwald including the LT.

There are also several inconsistencies.

Like why would Miss Death need to help Korvac survive a silly sun going nova? (amongst other senseless shit)

btw. The only one who shitted his pants was Korvac himself, at the sight of that universal armada coming for em.



Well, one is actually legitimately ill-informed, the other is just the gum that trails my foot steps. And don`t care if you have a problem with me(never said a bad word about you,just like arguing comics)And don`t know if Death helped Korvac survive,He had the power to tank a sun going nova at that point.The tribunal actually seemed like a bit of a coward in that issue(By the way it is a great what if ,if you like cosmics i think it was around issue 27 to 30.If anyone knows please post it,it`s worth buying!).Anyway the Tribunal seemed eager to skip town after the sun going nova had no effect on Korvac,and even told that version`s universe of Chaos And Order to skip town if they could.

Originally posted by Stoic

Thanos

Beyonder would still be trashed.
Imo, ultimately classic Beyonder stalemates the HOTI. (but I've argued on Beyonder's behalf to win)

Originally posted by zom1967

And don`t care if you have a problem with me (never said a bad word about you, just like arguing comics)
That's cool brother, I luv comics too and our discussion has been respectful, so I have no problem either.
Originally posted by zom1967

And don`t know if Death helped Korvac survive, He had the power to tank a sun going nova at that point.
I'm sure he had the power to do so, but he did nothing to protect himself/Earth when that sun went nova.

When the Stranger decided to use a moon against Earth/Korvac, Korvac actively stopped it:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706851_K3.jpg

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When the LT makes the sun go nova, we see no defenses from Korvac, in fact, it's as if Korvac never knew what even happened:




No Korvac anywhere, all of a sudden, next page, we see Miss Death stating the universe shall be hers:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706864_K6.jpg

Notice Korvac was too busy relishing his new power to ever had notice the sun going nova.

The story gives no indication that he consciously protected the Earth from that nova.

Miss Death probably knowing where Korvac was headed with all this (universal death) ensured his survival. (an opinion)

This idea is further strengthened when we learn Korvac was playing into Miss Death's hands:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706906_K8.jpg

"Death - Korvac's unbidden ally ... unwanted master ... the usher of oblivion"

------------------------

In another arc, we learn that after Korvac nullified himself, he ends up in Miss Death's realm as one of her toys:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706865_K7.jpg

So ... it all fits quite nicely.
Originally posted by zom1967

The tribunal actually seemed like a bit of a coward in that issue(By the way it is a great what if ,if you like cosmics i think it was around issue 27 to 30.If anyone knows please post it,it`s worth buying!).Anyway the Tribunal seemed eager to skip town after the sun going nova had no effect on Korvac,and even told that version`s universe of Chaos And Order to skip town if they could.
It's actually V1 #32. It is a good read, with the exception of a few wtfs.

As for LT being a coward,
well, it's not his fault his master had em using a sun as a weapon of choice, instead of his at-least universal manipulating powers.

But that silly cis/pis aside: Korvac was also afraid of an inter-galactic armada,
and he concedes he's not more powerful than everyone in that universe combined:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706849_K1.jpg

Can`t argue with anything you said my friend.Thanks for all the scans so people kind of know what was going on,and the issue # 32 as well,excellent thank you!

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's cool brother, I luv comics too and our discussion has been respectful, so I have no problem either.

I'm sure he had the power to do so, but he did nothing to protect himself/Earth when that sun went nova.

When the Stranger decided to use a moon against Earth/Korvac, Korvac actively stopped it:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706851_K3.jpg

------------------------

When the LT makes the sun go nova, we see no defenses from Korvac, in fact, it's as if Korvac never knew what even happened:




No Korvac anywhere, all of a sudden, next page, we see Miss Death stating the universe shall be hers:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706864_K6.jpg

Notice Korvac was too busy relishing his new power to ever had notice the sun going nova.

The story gives no indication that he consciously protected the Earth from that nova.

Miss Death probably knowing where Korvac was headed with all this (universal death) ensured his survival. (an opinion)

This idea is further strengthened when we learn Korvac was playing into Miss Death's hands:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706906_K8.jpg

"Death - Korvac's unbidden ally ... unwanted master ... the usher of oblivion"

------------------------

In another arc, we learn that after Korvac nullified himself, he ends up in Miss Death's realm as one of her toys:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706865_K7.jpg

So ... it all fits quite nicely.

It's actually V1 #32. It is a good read, with the exception of a few wtfs.

As for LT being a coward,
well, it's not his fault his master had em using a sun as a weapon of choice, instead of his at-least universal manipulating powers.

But that silly cis/pis aside: Korvac was also afraid of an inter-galactic armada,
and he concedes he's not more powerful than everyone in that universe combined:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706849_K1.jpg

Mr Masters how many spatial dimensions does marvel have?

Originally posted by Mr Master
If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.
Mr. M, do you have this What If issue handy? Can you post a scan of the page where Korvac began absorbing the Celestial Host/Carina/Humanity? On that page, there's a hidden image of Korvac's "secret friend."

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

Mr Masters how many spatial dimensions does marvel have?
616, and all alternate realities deriving from 616 (from past-future Timelines to diverged Parallel worlds) have 3 spatial dimensions.
There are many universes not necessarily "alternates of 616" which have 3 as well, but natural laws are different, like the Negative Zone.

But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)

So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.
Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, do you have this What If issue handy? Can you post a scan of the page where Korvac began absorbing the Celestial Host/Carina/Humanity? On that page, there's a hidden image of Korvac's "secret friend."
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707890_Death_in_Korvac.jpg

Here's the full page:

Originally posted by Mr Master
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707890_Death_in_Korvac.jpg

Here's the full page:


Thanks.

Originally posted by Mr Master
616, and all alternate realities deriving from 616 (from past-future Timelines to diverged Parallel worlds) have 3 spatial dimensions.
There are many universes not necessarily "alternates of 616" which have 3 as well, but natural laws are different, like the Negative Zone.

But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)

So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707890_Death_in_Korvac.jpg

Here's the full page:



How about if we're speaking overall in terms of the highest spatial dimension, or even an infinite spatial dimension? whats the highest marvel has ever gone up to on panel?

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man=Win
Post-Retcon Molecule Man (Cosmic Cube)=Lose
Post-Retcon Molecule Man (Kosmos Origins)=Wins
Current Molecule Man=Lose

Originally posted by Mr Master
But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)
Is it this page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3187164-2.jpg

I think that from this scan, Marvel has transfinite number of universe(X-Axis) and transfinite number of spatial Dimension(Y-Axis,0 to infinite dimension).
But in other site, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Dimension because there is scan that Living Tribunal oversee multiverse from 16th Dimension.
What do you think?

Originally posted by CatL18
Is it this page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3187164-2.jpg

I think that from this scan, Marvel has transfinite number of universe(X-Axis) and transfinite number of spatial Dimension(Y-Axis,0 to infinite dimension).
But in other site, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Dimension because there is scan that Living Tribunal oversee multiverse from 16th Dimension.
What do you think?

That scan claims that a universe=dimensions, we dont know what the scan meant by dimensions, is it spatial dimensions or just another term for universe?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

How about if we're speaking overall in terms of the highest spatial dimension, or even an infinite spatial dimension?

whats the highest marvel has ever gone up to on panel?
I honestly don't know if that detail has ever been established.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234

is it spatial dimensions or just another term for universe?
Yes, just another term.

That scan is from the Strange account I was talking about but,
Strange never gave an estimate as to how many "spatial" dimensions there are in total.

Here's the full concept according to Strange:





As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I honestly don't know if that detail has ever been established.

Yes, just another term.

That scan is from the Strange account I was talking about but,
Strange never gave an estimate as to how many "spatial" dimensions there are in total.

Here's the full concept according to Strange:





As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.

That pretty much confirms that marvel has infinite spatial dimensions, strange used pi as an example of transfinity, to explain that the spatial dimensions also reach out to infinity

i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!

Originally posted by zom1967
i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!
In other forum, Some said that because of that feat, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Diension, and LT is inferior to other fictional character in higher Dimension like 18th,20th,22th so on.
What do you think?
For me, Every fiction has different physics and cosmology. So The statement that A is superior to B because A has higher dimension, is meaningless.

Well I can tell you this,I read dummied down physics books.One is by Miccio Kaku he is one of the leaders of string theory.and people involved with this theory claim there are either 11 or 26 dimensions.How they came up with these equations I have no Idea,but the higher up you are the easier you can influence the lower dimensions.Just like we as 3 dimensional beings would be like gods to two dimensional beings.Not because of our power,but because of our superier perspective.Read a book called flat land if you don`t know what I mean,great book!

Originally posted by zom1967
Well I can tell you this,I read dummied down physics books.One is by Miccio Kaku he is one of the leaders of string theory.and people involved with this theory claim there are either 11 or 26 dimensions.How they came up with these equations I have no Idea,but the higher up you are the easier you can influence the lower dimensions.Just like we as 3 dimensional beings would be like gods to two dimensional beings.Not because of our power,but because of our superier perspective.Read a book called flat land if you don`t know what I mean,great book!
Thanks, I will.
But Cosmology is theory about how we interpret the law of universe. And Each theory have different physics.
So I think that Infinite Dimension of some cosmology does not necessarily overwhelm 11th Dimension of M theory.

For example, DC has referd to 52nd Dimension. So DC is superior to Marvel because DC is at least 52nd Dimension, Marvel is only 16th Dimension Despite of that They have different cosmology and physics.
Do you agree with such a logic? At least I can't.
What do you think about it?

Originally posted by zom1967
i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!

Super space? super? super space is beyond ordinary higher spatial dimensions, hyperspace is considered a super space...do you have that scan?

Originally posted by CatL18
In other forum, Some said that because of that feat, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Diension, and LT is inferior to other fictional character in higher Dimension like 18th,20th,22th so on.
What do you think?
For me, Every fiction has different physics and cosmology. So The statement that A is superior to B because A has higher dimension, is meaningless.

Are you talking about spacebattles? cause there was a similar thread on spacebattles regarding that whole discussion....because marvel hasnt specified its highest dimension past the 16th dimension, that fictional characters in higher dimensions are more powerful than all of marvel combined...........thats a complete and utter Bulls***, that thinking never lead anywhere.

Ben10 has a 26 dimensional character who possesses no special feats or power in comparison to other more frequent aliens. Also DC has immeasurable number of spatial dimensions, and mxy or any 5th dimensional being can destroy all numbered dimensions easily.

If you read Briane Greenes book on string theory, briane greene explains that the 3rd dimension>>>>>every other dimension, as they are too small to be on our dimensional scale. Briane Greene is one fo the best on the field as well.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Super space? super? super space is beyond ordinary higher spatial dimensions, hyperspace is considered a super space...do you have that scan? http://i.imgur.com/c98FBgp.png

Whole scan:
http://i.imgur.com/Ws6GAvN.jpg
-F4 Annual #27

I should have said ,some info I got from Marvel and some I got from actual physics books.The 16th dimensional super space where the cosmics met was from marvel.The 11 to 26 dimensions came from string theory.And more is not always better,a knot can only be tied in 3 dimensional space.Any more than that and there is to much room to ever tie a not.I said we could beat flat landers(2D people) because of our better perspective.If you go far up the dimensional chart this may become a weakness,so I can`t say a being from the 26th D could beat one from the 5th D,so myxy could well beat this being.I am not trying to say the higher the better,physical laws change with each spatial D.Just saying we do (us in the 3rd D)have clear advantage over 2 D beings like flat landers.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/c98FBgp.png

Whole scan:
http://i.imgur.com/Ws6GAvN.jpg
-F4 Annual #27 I am considerd a senior citizen here.And don`t know how to post scans.(I am 47 very old to some of you young posters!)LOL

Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/c98FBgp.png

Whole scan:
http://i.imgur.com/Ws6GAvN.jpg
-F4 Annual #27

Thanks for the scan Galan.

Originally posted by zom1967
I should have said ,some info I got from Marvel and some I got from actual physics books.The 16th dimensional super space where the cosmics met was from marvel.The 11 to 26 dimensions came from string theory.And more is not always better,a knot can only be tied in 3 dimensional space.Any more than that and there is to much room to ever tie a not.I said we could beat flat landers(2D people) because of our better perspective.If you go far up the dimensional chart this may become a weakness,so I can`t say a being from the 26th D could beat one from the 5th D,so myxy could well beat this being.I am not trying to say the higher the better,physical laws change with each spatial D.Just saying we do (us in the 3rd D)have clear advantage over 2 D beings like flat landers.

So its essentially inconsistent?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Thanks for the scan Galan.



So its essentially inconsistent? My friend,but i do know that people from the 3rd D have a big advantage to two D people.And beings from the forth spacial D have a big advantage on us,because of their perspective.By the way it is really the 5th D because Einstein included time as a D,so this is where myxy really comes from.Thats why he has these god like powers.But after that it gets foggy,I have never read a physics book that clearly defines the 6th and 7th D.But I will dive back into it as this thread has rekindled my interest and get back to you!

Originally posted by zom1967
My friend,but i do know that people from the 3rd D have a big advantage to two D people.And beings from the forth spacial D have a big advantage on us,because of their perspective.By the way it is really the 5th D because Einstein included time as a D,so this is where myxy really comes from.Thats why he has these god like powers.But after that it gets foggy,I have never read a physics book that clearly defines the 6th and 7th D.But I will dive back into it as this thread has rekindled my interest and get back to you!

Ive read Greenes book on string theory, so i have a general understanding on the perspective changes per spatial dimension.

3rd dimension: the 3rd dimension is essentially depth, z axis, hence the second dimension lacking depth becomes essentially a paper like dimension to us, so we can do anything we want to the second dimension, but in paper fashion, so we can tear the second dimension up like paper, erase it with an eraser, re-draw it etc etc.

4th dimension: the 4th dimension is time, from the 4th dimension, all points of time is occurring simultaneously. From the 4th dimension, the 3rd dimensions time is like a long string, where the past, present and the future is occurring simultaneously, so 4 dimensional beings would see all point of time at once, its essentially pseudo-omnipresence.......4 dimensional beings are like us, but the difference is that they'll exist in all points in time altogether at once.

5th dimension: this is where time is perceived as a dimension, because time is perceived as a dimension (time is 4 dimensional btw), its perceived in a way we perceive the 2nd dimension, something that can be manipulated.

6th dimension: theres essentially no difference between the 6th and 5th dimension, they are essentially equals.

7th dimension: Heres another big jump, the 7th dimension is a completely separate set of infinite universes, the difference is that these infinite universes have different start conditions (they didnt begin the same, such as the big bang)........however powerwise, theres no difference, they are the same as the 5th and the 6th dimensional beings.

8th dimension: Not much of a difference, the 8th dimension is the point where each of the universes in the 7th dimension, branch out their own infinite universes, powerwise, they are equals to the 7th, 6th and the 5th dimension.

9th dimension: This is where powerlevels increase, the 9th dimension is another set of infinite universes, but all with different starting conditions AND different laws of physics, this is a tricky one as some of the universes can possess laws of physics which can own any lower dimension, while other dimensions physics will be weaker.

10th dimension: anything and everything exists.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Ive read Greenes book on string theory, so i have a general understanding on the perspective changes per spatial dimension.

3rd dimension: the 3rd dimension is essentially depth, z axis, hence the second dimension lacking depth becomes essentially a paper like dimension to us, so we can do anything we want to the second dimension, but in paper fashion, so we can tear the second dimension up like paper, erase it with an eraser, re-draw it etc etc.

4th dimension: the 4th dimension is time, from the 4th dimension, all points of time is occurring simultaneously. From the 4th dimension, the 3rd dimensions time is like a long string, where the past, present and the future is occurring simultaneously, so 4 dimensional beings would see all point of time at once, its essentially pseudo-omnipresence.......4 dimensional beings are like us, but the difference is that they'll exist in all points in time altogether at once.

5th dimension: this is where time is perceived as a dimension, because time is perceived as a dimension (time is 4 dimensional btw), its perceived in a way we perceive the 2nd dimension, something that can be manipulated.

6th dimension: theres essentially no difference between the 6th and 5th dimension, they are essentially equals.

7th dimension: Heres another big jump, the 7th dimension is a completely separate set of infinite universes, the difference is that these infinite universes have different start conditions (they didnt begin the same, such as the big bang)........however powerwise, theres no difference, they are the same as the 5th and the 6th dimensional beings.

8th dimension: Not much of a difference, the 8th dimension is the point where each of the universes in the 7th dimension, branch out their own infinite universes, powerwise, they are equals to the 7th, 6th and the 5th dimension.

9th dimension: This is where powerlevels increase, the 9th dimension is another set of infinite universes, but all with different starting conditions AND different laws of physics, this is a tricky one as some of the universes can possess laws of physics which can own any lower dimension, while other dimensions physics will be weaker.

10th dimension: anything and everything exists.
This is wrong.

If it is wrong don`t just say it explain why?Vasto lord 1234 sounds like he knows his shit!And i am going to buy this Brian Green`s book,also check out Kip Thorn and of course Steven Hawkings books!

Originally posted by zom1967
If it is wrong don`t just say it explain why?
Because it doesn't have anything to do with string theory. String theories are built to solve problems in the standard model, and their dimensionality are determined by the elimination of the anomalies associated with those problems; and they are not limited by ten dimensions either. Bosonic string theory comes together at 26 dimensions, and the most popular model, M-theory, that unifies I, IIA, IIB, HO and HE comes together at eleven dimensions.

Futhermore, there is nothing in string theory that says anything about what these dimensions represent. It's just mathematical models that would solve problems in the standard model.

That`s a great answer and proves you know your shit,but I just wanted to know why you felt that way,not trying to bait you!And thats why I said 10-to 26 dimensions.Kaku has always said string theory is 22nd century physics that got dropped into 21st century physics.And they are not even close to the theory of everything.Although he thinks string theory will eventually get us their!And Mathematical theroies are all we have to go with now

Originally posted by Astner
Because it doesn't have anything to do with string theory. String theories are built to solve problems in the standard model, and their dimensionality are determined by the elimination of the anomalies associated with those problems; and they are not limited by ten dimensions either. Bosonic string theory comes together at 26 dimensions, and the most popular model, M-theory, that unifies I, IIA, IIB, HO and HE comes together at eleven dimensions.

Futhermore, there is nothing in string theory that says anything about what these dimensions represent. It's just mathematical models that would solve problems in the standard model.

http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/12/16/heres-visual-guide-10-dimensions-reality/

My bad, i was citing superstring theory, According to superstring theory, there are at least ten dimensions in the universe (M-theory actually suggests that there are 11 dimensions to spacetime; bosonic string theories suggest 26 dimensions).

And im sure you pulled your information from some forum site, ive read some of briane greenes books, im upto date with the stance of string theory, heck theres even discussions in the science community to completely eradicate string theory as its failed as a model, but they arent due to lack of knowledge on the grand scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0hk0mVjOs

Briane Greene here provides a completely different explanation of dimensions, according to BG dimensions are data for 3 dimensions, specifically data for direction. The 3rd dimension is the greatest and the largest dimension in that respect.

So yeah, im not wrong, im actually right for the most part, as to how dimensions might work according to standard beliefs (thats merging two physicists beliefs, michi kaku and briane greenes). If we accept dimensions in relation to the many worlds theory, multiverse theory etc etc, then my above description is spot on, my description was based on super string theory, which nails the basics for spatial dimensions.

Look don`t be enemies over this,you are both smart guys.I am not going to comment till I read Brian Greene`s book!but kudos to you both for knowing so much about physics.I hope all the young people in the u.s.a get interested in this subject,thanks guys!

I've watched enough Discovery Channel to know that everything Assnerd just said is wrong.

It's like watching a guy with a stick fight someone in a tank.....

Originally posted by Galan007
I've watched enough Discovery Channel to know that everything Assnerd just said is wrong.

Ouch....

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ By the time Thanos absorbed the LT,

the LT had already manipulated the power of Two Comic book companies in one hand. Still peddling the same lie I see.

It was explicitly a single universe which Thanos destroyed.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag191/theauteur56/Thanos-TheInfinityRevelation-040.jpg

Not omni-whatever shit Master is trying to peddle for all these years.

THOTU means Heart of the Universe.

Its not THOTOV,

And how he tries to sneak in this two companies bs to provoke .
So this other company, since it doesn't exist in reality is a fictional company in the Marvel verse and hence as a part of Marvels property still marvel? So he held just one company? Impressive! dur

It wasn't even marvel universe. He was holding the architects of two metaverses, not actual metaverses.

But anything to wank LT I guess.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/12/16/heres-visual-guide-10-dimensions-reality/

My bad, i was citing superstring theory, According to superstring theory, there are at least ten dimensions in the universe (M-theory actually suggests that there are 11 dimensions to spacetime; bosonic string theories suggest 26 dimensions).

And im sure you pulled your information from some forum site, ive read some of briane greenes books, im upto date with the stance of string theory, heck theres even discussions in the science community to completely eradicate string theory as its failed as a model, but they arent due to lack of knowledge on the grand scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0hk0mVjOs

Briane Greene here provides a completely different explanation of dimensions, according to BG dimensions are data for 3 dimensions, specifically data for direction. The 3rd dimension is the greatest and the largest dimension in that respect.

So yeah, im not wrong, im actually right for the most part, as to how dimensions might work according to standard beliefs (thats merging two physicists beliefs, michi kaku and briane greenes). If we accept dimensions in relation to the many worlds theory, multiverse theory etc etc, then my above description is spot on, my description was based on super string theory, which nails the basics for spatial dimensions.

You are 100% correct, don't listen to the other guys, they lack the necessary imagination and will never have a real "thought". You on the other hand will discover the missing two dimensions!!!!!!!! Go for it!!!!! **** the brain dead idea digester!!!!

uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
I've watched enough Discovery Channel to know that everything Assnerd just said is wrong.



Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You are 100% correct, don't listen to the other guys, they lack the necessary imagination and will never have a real "thought". You on the other hand will discover the missing two dimensions!!!!!!!! Go for it!!!!! **** the brain dead idea digester!!!!

uhuh

Thanks for the support, Ive also posted more proof as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't even marvel universe. He was holding the architects of two metaverses, not actual metaverses.


Reported for going off-topic. At least you're not trying to peddle half-truths and snakeoil physics like Astner.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reported for going off-topic. At least you're not trying to peddle half-truths and snakeoil physics like Astner.

What happens when someone is reported?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial

THOTU means Heart of the Universe.

Its not THOTOV
Hey there friend, ... but it's actually called "the Heart of the Infinite."

It was Thanos that nicknamed it the HOTU:

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22735596_HOTI.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there friend, ... but it's actually called "the Heart of the Infinite."

It was Thanos that nicknamed it the HOTU:

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22735596_HOTI.jpg

Spot on

Originally posted by zom1967
But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?

Originally posted by zom1967

But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?
This isn't the thread for this discussion friends.

According to Dr Strange, it seems there are universes who's spatial dimensions are infinitely more or less than 3.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
What happens when someone is reported?

Carver gets his wings.