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Neutral setting.

No amp/prep time.

Which team wins?

Interesting fight.

Imo, Vitiate > Caedus; Revan & HoT > Plagueis.

Team 1 most likely.

Caedus is superior to Vitiate in every way and Unuthul who can mentally dominate entire nests of Kiliks/spacers, force Luke out from probing individuals minds, mentally control Alema Rar, Jaina Solo, Zekk, and others couldn't control Jacen. He can blitz Vitiate, ragdoll him, or stomp him in a duel.

Team 2. Revan and the HoT can both engage opponents solo while Vitiate pwns them from behind his Jedi shields.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Team 2. Revan and the HoT can both engage opponents solo while Vitiate pwns them from behind his Jedi shields.

Oh yeah, I thought they'd split up but that makes more sense.

Team 2

Yeah, Vitiate could handle Plagueis, and Caedus can't beat the other two on his own.

Eh. It's a team battle. Team 1's strategy has to be sending Caedus after Vitiate for a speed blitz and let Plageuis try to survive the other two.

When was the last time Caedus speedblitzed anybody?

When was the last time Vitiate had unamped speed feats?

Come to think of it, Plageuis may have better speed feats then Caedus does. Caedus beats Plageuis more on technical saber skill.

In which case, let Plageuis blitz Vitiate.

Tbh Vitiate lightningblitzed Leeha Narezz and Warren Sendoru.

Trio.

The proper tactic of the trio is have Revan and HoT each go face-on, and then have Vitiate rain force powers of opportunity on the foes to tilt things.

A speedblitz of V won't happen because it's incredibly obvious to set the melee hogs in front of the blaster.

Vitiate in his way of approaching the jedi strike team has proven that he doesn't need a distance to avoid getting blitzed. He was all the way up in his throne and he jumped down and starting walking towards the strike team, getting closer to the enemy. He was still able to catch the strike team with his force powers without much effort. He himself won't get blitzed by anyone and having 2 warriors tank him will give him all the time he needs to send a charged attack.

The strike team against him weren't the 9.5s Caedus and Plageuis are.

Who the **** cares about 9.5? It's a meaningless number.

Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate in his way of approaching the jedi strike team has proven that he doesn't need a distance to avoid getting blitzed. He was all the way up in his throne and he jumped down and starting walking towards the strike team, getting closer to the enemy. He was still able to catch the strike team with his force powers without much effort. He himself won't get blitzed by anyone and having 2 warriors tank him will give him all the time he needs to send a charged attack.

Even a drastically weakened Vitiate was fast enough to not get blitzed by the HoT, who in turn is fast enough to blitz elite Sith warriors.

And yeah, Vitiate isn't getting blitzed when Revan and the Hero are there to tank for him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who the **** cares about 9.5? It's a meaningless number
I think what he means is that the Jedi stirke team pales in comparison to Plagueis and Caedus. Both of them are Sidious tier combatants.

Team 1 creams it, Plagueis or Caedus comfortably beat any one on team 2 in a direct fight. HoT honestly is irrelevant against characters of this speed.

Team 1 in a good fight.

Speed wank aside Vitiate can't use his Force attacks effectively when two Jedi are in between, he is more likely to take out Hot or Revan by accident, than either of the opponents.

Originally posted by Arhael
Team 1 in a good fight.

Speed wank aside Vitiate can't use his Force attacks effectively when two Jedi are in between, he is more likely to take out Hot or Revan by accident, than either of the opponents.

He has telepathy, TK and sorcery at the least.

Originally posted by Arhael
Team 1 in a good fight.

Speed wank aside Vitiate can't use his Force attacks effectively when two Jedi are in between, he is more likely to take out Hot or Revan by accident, than either of the opponents.
LOL, actually I can see that happening.

Revan = Cadeus....
He is a copy of Anakin skywalker and luke skywalker reunited...
That was the idea behind the character.....
The question is.. Is HoT and Vitiate matching plagueis???


Speed wank aside Vitiate can't use his Force attacks effectively when two Jedi are in between, he is more likely to take out Hot or Revan by accident, than either of the opponents.

+1

But here Revan is controlling Vitiate mind..... he ready to sign a peace treaty with the entire universe... But Plagueis and cadeus don't want.

Originally posted by Stigma
LOL, actually I can see that happening.

Not really. He doesn't have to cast areal attacks. He can just charge a concentrated lightning and unleash it on Plagueis or Caedus at the right moment like he did to Revan.

The least he can do is send TP attacks on them to give Revan and HoT an advantage until he is in the right angle to send other force attacks.

Caedus has absorbed turbolaser fire, lmao @ Vitiate's lightning doing anything to him

LMAO @ Caedus being immune to top tier lightning.

Caedus's Tutaminis is up to the task, to be sure, but he'd have to concentrate, kinda like Yoda taking lightning from Sidious. Just cause Yoda can do it doesn't make it easy.

Caedus is probably better off blocking with his saber, but he'll probably be fighting one of the other two at the same time.

Originally posted by Sinious
LMAO @ Caedus being immune to top tier lightning.

His lightning is top tier while amped by a nexus

Originally posted by carthage
His lightning is top tier while amped by a nexus

His lightning against the jedi strike team wasn't.

Character evolution....

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Character evolution.... you really believe in evolution? :/

Can you... not believe in evolution? Isn't is basically a scientific fact?

Technically, you can't believe in a fact. You either acknowledge it or ignore it amirite?

Originally posted by carthage
Caedus has absorbed turbolaser fire, lmao @ Vitiate's lightning doing anything to him
He didn't absorb it but deflected with Force barrier. But yes, Force barrier can be used against lightning just as effectively. Luke actually formed a Force barrier to block lightning but Caedus TKed him into vines instead.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Can you... not believe in evolution? Isn't is basically a scientific fact?
No. Evolution is a scientific theory that is held as the most plausible explanation. Thus, accepted worldwide.

But it's not a 'fact' in the same sense of the word as facts like "water is wet" or "the sun shines".

Hence the phrase theory of evolution, much like theory of the Big Bang.

Originally posted by Sinious
Technically, you can't believe in a fact. You either acknowledge it or ignore it amirite?
Exactly

I said "basically" fact. As in it's "basically" fact about gravity.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I said "basically" fact. As in it's "basically" fact about gravity.
True.

Assuming, that Vitiate is amped the same way, he was when he fought Revan:
Plagueis >= Vitiate, Caedus > Revan, and HoT is a non-factor who will die instantly by the hand of either Plagueis or Caedus.

But without amp? Duo stomps.

Originally posted by McP
Assuming, that Vitiate is amped the same way, he was when he fought Revan:
Plagueis >= Vitiate, Caedus > Revan, and HoT is a non-factor who will die instantly by the hand of either Plagueis or Caedus.

But without amp? Duo stomps.

Mad overhype for Caedus and Plagueis.

To assume, that amped-Vitiate is Plageui's near equal is "mad overhype"? Amped Vitiate is really strong, but without it, he's just above average. And HoT is nowhere near of Plagueis, amped Vitiate or Caedus' level.

Originally posted by McP
To assume, that amped-Vitiate is Plageui's near equal is "mad overhype"? Amped Vitiate is really strong, but without it, he's just above average. And HoT is nowhere near of Plagueis, amped Vitiate or Caedus' level.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Vitiate has non nexus feats.

And how does someone just above average reach Plagueis level with amp?

Originally posted by Sinious
And how does someone just above average reach Plagueis level with amp?
Because amps are now wanked far far more than most actual characters.

I can't believe the trolls' propaganda actually worked in this forum.

Originally posted by McP
To assume, that amped-Vitiate is Plageui's near equal is "mad overhype"? Amped Vitiate is really strong, but without it, he's just above average. And HoT is nowhere near of Plagueis, amped Vitiate or Caedus' level.

Vitiate being just above average is ****ing retarded, man.

It's mad overhype to think that Caedus and Plagueis can stomp this team.

Well, Vitiate is someone that seems to have a heavily divided opinion, with half the posters thinking he's #2 to Sidious and the other half thinking he's no better then Obi Wan unless he's been ritualing up for a couple hours.

The reality is usually between the extremes.

Not in this case. Vitiate is definitely in the top tiers for Sith and is certainly much more potent than some see him as. He's a match for Plagueis or Caedus solo, without a doubt. So suggesting a stomp in their favor is furthest from the truth.

Even the more respectable PT supporters believe that Vitiate is the most likely character to be number 2 sith in the mythos. Only trolls with baseless claims lowball him here.

Plagueis and Caedus are definite equals for Vitiate and considering how woefully outmatched Revan and HoT are in power compared to him. I can't even imagine how they would perform against two equally powerful Sith but both top tier duelists with much greater speed feats.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis and Caedus are definite equals for Vitiate and considering how woefully outmatched Revan and HoT are in power compared to him. I can't even imagine how they would perform against two equally powerful Sith but both top tier duelists with much greater speed feats.

Their speed feats aren't that much better though. Both can compete with them. And both Revan and HoT were able to give Vitiate fights. Plagueis and Caedus are both less inclined to offensively focusing on the Force than Vitiate too, allowing the Jedi to last longer. Caedus had trouble with Jaina who is less powerful than either of these Jedi.

So with Vitiate's support, I really don't see why the team won't pull it off. Like I said, the Jedi hold them off with Vitiate attacks them. They can't defend against him and fight opponents of this caliber at the same time.

Wtf. Plagueis less inclined to use the force? Tell that to the Maladian assassins lmfao, also Hero is nowhere near Caedus's league as a duelist. Tell me when Hero can hold his own against Luke Skywalker or stomp an entire strike team while injured

Jaina has vastly better speed feats than either of them and has the second best dueling skill in the order by FotJ.

Caedus and Plagueis have far superior speed feats than either one of them do.

Plagueis stomps enemies with the Force routinely so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate is definitely in the top tiers for Sith and is certainly much more potent than some see him as. He's a match for Plagueis or Caedus solo, without a doubt.

Yes, agree. Vitiate after all of his rituals and dark side nexus is about equal to Plagueis and a match for Sidious himself. That Version of Vitiate would stomp HoT as well. But without amp, he's not that good.

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Originally posted by AncientPower
Jaina has vastly better speed feats than either of them and has the second best dueling skill in the order by FotJ.

Caedus and Plagueis have far superior speed feats than either one of them do.

Plagueis stomps enemies with the Force routinely so I have no idea what you are talking about.

No, she doesn't.

Do they now?

He obliterated the assassins when his body was heavily damaged and failing him. When he dueled Venamis however he didn't use the Force other than to break a branch. Even when he realised he was outmatched in sabers he didn't attempt to bring out his force powers, he just kept dueling. Surely we should take his fight against an actual force user as more indicative of his tactics. Besides, both the HoT and Revan can defend against Vitiate's standard force abilities and their power isn't so far below what Caedus and Plagueis have shown that they'd be greatly outmatched.

Originally posted by McP
Yes, agree. Vitiate after all of his rituals and dark side nexus is about equal to Plagueis and a match for Sidious himself. That Version of Vitiate would stomp HoT as well. But without amp, he's not that good.

http://img.pandawhale.com/32707-Hell-no-gif-e2AG.jpeg

Vitiate doesn't need an amp to be incredibly powerful!

You can put fingers in your ears and scream 'no' if you wish but that is your perogative. Jaina Solo has speedblitzed a Vong Warlord and Sith Sabers.

Plagueis has moved so fast that he left trails of light across an immense field, he then used that same Force speed to defeat Venamis through sheer speed and Jar'kai skill. Considering Darth Tenebrous specifically trained Venamis to kill Plagueis then it's even more impressive.

The point you are missing however is that whilst they may not be stomped, they don't need to be stomped. As soon as one of them dies team 1 wins and one of them dying early is certain. Infact I'm inclined to think the HoT is even more out of their depth than Revan is. Considering it took HoT, Darth Marr, Satele Shan, and Lana Beniko to fight half of Revan and win with high difficulty.

As Cart said in another thread, nothing suggests HoT is better than Maul, who can't even see the striking speed of a Plagueis level combatant, so I'm not convinced that him and Revan can beat Plagueis, let alone Caedus.

As for Vitiate, he has the most powerful force attacks here. That said, Caedus has ridiculously good force defenses and has dealt with fire power beyond what Vitiate can dish out out, so it'd only be a matter of time before Caedus goes in on him. Vitiate can beat Plagueis with immense difficulty assuming he has enough distance and doesn't attempt to mind dominate him. One successful force push from Plagueis could spell a swift victory for Plagueis, given Plagueis' speed.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well, Vitiate is someone that seems to have a heavily divided opinion, with half the posters thinking he's #2 to Sidious and the other half thinking he's no better then Obi Wan unless he's been ritualing up for a couple hours.

The reality is usually between the extremes.
Agreed.

Vitiate is somewhere between #2 to Sidious and Obi Wan.

EDIT: nvm