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Who would that be?

Freeza with certainty. Anyone much stronger, and it's impossible to say.

Kibito and Kaio Shin never really fight. We know Kaio Shin can kill Freeza in a single attack because we're told so, and have no reason to believe he's lying. And Kibito paralyzed a SSJ2 Gohan long enough for two relatively low powered characters to energy leech him.

Outside of that, there's no telling how strong they are as individuals against anyone at the SSJ+ level, and so no real way of telling how strong their fused selves would be.

Wasn't Kamiccolo scared shitless of Supreme Kai?

Piccolo forfeited his fight. Whether it's because his kami half recognized him and refused to fight out of respect (Since a kami technically works for the supreme kai's), or because he knew he couldn't win is anybody's guess.

Don't see him beating anyone above Semi-perfect Cell

Originally posted by cdtm
Piccolo forfeited his fight. Whether it's because his kami half recognized him and refused to fight out of respect (Since a kami technically works for the supreme kai's), or because he knew he couldn't win is anybody's guess.

"Unbelievable power."

"Dimensions apart."

Or something like that For some reason you count the ability to one-shot Frieza (which we never actually see, it's just stated), but choose not to count Piccolo changing his pants.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Unbelievable power."

"Dimensions apart."

Or something like that For some reason you count the ability to one-shot Frieza (which we never actually see, it's just stated), but choose not to count Piccolo changing his pants.

But didn't supreme kai also claim the lower beings had surpassed him?

Forget if it was before or after seeing Gohan go SSJ2. Regardless, we know he's beneath SSJ2, because he claimed as much, and well above Freeza because he also claimed it.

So, I don't know, maybe he's about at full power stage 1 Cell's level? That seemed like it was leagues above supernamek Piccolo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Freeza with certainty. Anyone much stronger, and it's impossible to say.

Kibito and Kaio Shin never really fight. We know Kaio Shin can kill Freeza in a single attack because we're told so, and have no reason to believe he's lying. And Kibito paralyzed a SSJ2 Gohan long enough for two relatively low powered characters to energy leech him.

Outside of that, there's no telling how strong they are as individuals against anyone at the SSJ+ level, and so no real way of telling how strong their fused selves would be.

It was Shin that paralyzed SSJ2 Gohan, not Kibito.

Also don't forget, that Supreme Kai held his own against Buu. Better than SSJ2 Gohan did.

Originally posted by cdtm
But didn't supreme kai also claim the lower beings had surpassed him?

Forget if it was before or after seeing Gohan go SSJ2. Regardless, we know he's beneath SSJ2, because he claimed as much, and well above Freeza because he also claimed it.

So, I don't know, maybe he's about at full power stage 1 Cell's level? That seemed like it was leagues above supernamek Piccolo.

Yeah, but that was only after he saw Gohan go SSJ2, fight Dabura, after he saw Goku and Vegeta go SSJ2/Majin and fight, and after a bunch of other crap. It's safe to assume, with the way Supreme Kai acted about SSJ2's level of strength, that he could probably fight on par with, a SSJ1. He also managed to hold off fat Buu for a bit, and take a couple of hits without dying.

Kibito was clearly weaker than him, but was still around Gohan's base form, in terms of strength.

In theory, the fusion of the two should have made a warrior even STRONGER than Vegetto was in base form. Still weaker than Super Vegetto though, by a long shot.

However, Kibitoshin was confident that he could have helped against Buu, but Elder Kai said that Buutenks would have sharted on him(not in those words, obviously). I'd say though, that it's safe to pit Kibitoshin at around fat Buu's level, or maybe Mr. Buu. Even if he'd have no chance of beating him in a fight.

IF it wasn't for the fact that Vegeta and Goku got a rival's boost when they fused. Elder Kai said this gave them "another massive boost". Which is why they were so strong in the first place, as Vegetto. So, taking this into account, I'd say it's safe to scale Kibitoshin down to high-SSJ2 tier, like teen Gohan. I wouldn't say Super Perfect Cell level though. So I think it'd be safe to put Kibitoshin at SSJ2 teen gohan tier. Meaning he could probably beat... I dunno, pre-ROSAT SSJ1 Gotenks, at the most. And that's taking a lot of assumption into account, since we don't even know if that Gotenks could have done anything to fat Buu, or not. But I don't think he would have stood a chance, given that even after the ROSAT, he still couldn't even touch Super Buu in SSJ1.

So, in regards to the thread, Kibitoshin could probably beat Perfect Cell, or MAYBE SSJ2 Adult Gohan. At the most.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It was Shin that paralyzed SSJ2 Gohan, not Kibito.

Also don't forget, that Supreme Kai held his own against Buu. Better than SSJ2 Gohan did.



Yeah, but that was only after he saw Gohan go SSJ2, fight Dabura, after he saw Goku and Vegeta go SSJ2/Majin and fight, and after a bunch of other crap. It's safe to assume, with the way Supreme Kai acted about SSJ2's level of strength, that he could probably fight on par with, a SSJ1. He also managed to hold off fat Buu for a bit, and take a couple of hits without dying.

Kibito was clearly weaker than him, but was still around Gohan's base form, in terms of strength.

In theory, the fusion of the two should have made a warrior even STRONGER than Vegetto was in base form. Still weaker than Super Vegetto though, by a long shot.

However, Kibitoshin was confident that he could have helped against Buu, but Elder Kai said that Buutenks would have sharted on him(not in those words, obviously). I'd say though, that it's safe to pit Kibitoshin at around fat Buu's level, or maybe Mr. Buu. Even if he'd have no chance of beating him in a fight.

IF it wasn't for the fact that Vegeta and Goku got a rival's boost when they fused. Elder Kai said this gave them "another massive boost". Which is why they were so strong in the first place, as Vegetto. So, taking this into account, I'd say it's safe to scale Kibitoshin down to high-SSJ2 tier, like teen Gohan. I wouldn't say Super Perfect Cell level though. So I think it'd be safe to put Kibitoshin at SSJ2 teen gohan tier. Meaning he could probably beat... I dunno, pre-ROSAT SSJ1 Gotenks, at the most. And that's taking a lot of assumption into account, since we don't even know if that Gotenks could have done anything to fat Buu, or not. But I don't think he would have stood a chance, given that even after the ROSAT, he still couldn't even touch Super Buu in SSJ1.

So, in regards to the thread, Kibitoshin could probably beat Perfect Cell, or MAYBE SSJ2 Adult Gohan. At the most.

gohan never went ssj2 against buu

Originally posted by yungz22
gohan never went ssj2 against buu

Yes, he did. If you think he didn't, you're stupid. That would be like saying Vegeta was a SSJ1 against Buu.

Gohan went SSJ2 when he tried to destroy the egg thing. He was full power before that.

Also Kibito Kai's fusion wasn't as strong
Vegetto's fusion because Supreme Kai was much stronger than Kibito and their personalities didn't compliment each other like Vegetto. Even notice that Kibito Kai is mostly Supreme Kai.

Stronger than Freeza, weaker than SPC.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, he did. If you think he didn't, you're stupid. That would be like saying Vegeta was a SSJ1 against Buu.


there was no electrical aura nor was hid hair as sharp

yall forget how long it takes adult gohan to go ssj2 as well

Originally posted by yungz22
there was no electrical aura nor was hid hair as sharp

yall forget how long it takes adult gohan to go ssj2 as well

Um, when he's being theatrical, it can take as long as he wants. He went SSJ2 in an instant against the ball of Buu. Just like Goku went from base to SSJ3 in an instant, against Buutenks.

And his hair is always sharp, genius. And there are plenty of times when SSJ2's don't have electrical aura's. That even happened in the Cell saga.

http://i19.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/410/dragon-ball-71075.jpg

There are plenty of other examples too, genius.

I think YOU forgot that Gohan had SSJ2 in the first place. To assume that he was SSJ1, in a life or death situation when he could have been SSJ2, is completely retarded.

Agreed.

Aside from that, the time it took for Gohan to initially transform into a SSJ2 against Kibito is entirely irrelevant. Remember when Goku first transformed into a SSJ3 against Fat Buu? It took him multiple pages to do so in the manga, and a few minutes in the anime--he even apologized to Buu for the transformation taking so long, ffs... And that was with an undead body, to boot.

But later that very same day(in-universe time) when he briefly went SSJ3 against Buutenks, Goku transformed in the space of a single panel in the manga *clap on*. He also went SSJ3 in the space of a single panel in the manga just before fighting Pure Buu *clap on*. Clearly SSJ3 became much easier for him to attain with each subsequent transformation... And again: that was SSJ3; the most rigorous/taxing transformation shown in the manga by an astronomical margin.

So yeah, clearly we saw the same thing with Gohan/SSJ2--it became much easier for him to transform each time he did so. After all, he's obviously not going to hold back an entire transformation against a Buu-level threat... Especially given that he was MUCH weaker at the beginning of the Buu-saga then he was at the end of the Cell-saga. He was certainly in no position to pull his punches.

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed.

Aside from that, the time it took for Gohan to initially transform into a SSJ2 against Kibito is entirely irrelevant. Remember when Goku first transformed into a SSJ3 against Fat Buu? It took him multiple pages to do so in the manga, and a few minutes in the anime--he even apologized to Buu for the transformation taking so long, ffs... And that was with an undead body, to boot.

But later that very same day(in-universe time) when he briefly went SSJ3 against Buutenks, Goku transformed in the space of a single panel in the manga *clap on*. He also went SSJ3 in the space of a single panel in the manga just before fighting Pure Buu *clap on*. Clearly SSJ3 became much easier for him to attain with each subsequent transformation... And again: that was SSJ3; the most rigorous/taxing transformation shown in the manga by an astronomical margin.

So yeah, clearly we saw the same thing with Gohan/SSJ2--it became much easier for him to transform each time he did so. After all, he's obviously not going to hold back an entire transformation against a Buu-level threat... Especially given that he was MUCH weaker at the beginning of the Buu-saga then he was at the end of the Cell-saga. He was certainly in no position to pull his punches.



Glad someone here, other than me, has a brain.

all that is cool but the fact still remains that he had zero electrical aura and his hair wasnt as sharp..... also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor... gohan is the only character who digressed after the buu saga so it would make sense that he couldbt bring out his body's full potential at that time...... he even said it himself before he shot the kamehameha at the buu egg that he couldnt use full power

Originally posted by yungz22
all that is cool but the fact still remains that he had zero electrical aura and his hair wasnt as sharp..... also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor... gohan is the only character who digressed after the buu saga so it would make sense that he couldbt bring out his body's full potential at that time...... he even said it himself before he shot the kamehameha at the buu egg that he couldnt use full power

1. http://i19.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/410/dragon-ball-71075.jpg

There are plenty of other examples too, genius.

2. All that is... cool? I've literally just destroyed your entire argument, by throwing your idiotic assumptions out the window.

3. Are you retarded? Goku was IN the Buu saga when he went SSJ3 the FIRST time, as WELL as the second, third, and fourth times. Meaning that every time was AFTER the timeskip, genius. And Goku being in a living body is what made SSJ3 harder for him in the first place, as per his own statement.

4. Yeah, that would make sense. WHICH IS WHY HE WAS STILL BARELY HALF AS STRONG AS HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS 11. Not to mention that he OBVIOUSLY COULD go SSJ2, as he even SAID he did so against Kibito.

5. No, he didn't say that, you liar.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. http://i19.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/410/dragon-ball-71075.jpg

There are plenty of other examples too, genius.

2. All that is... cool? I've literally just destroyed your entire argument, by throwing your idiotic assumptions out the window.

3. Are you retarded? Goku was IN the Buu saga when he went SSJ3 the FIRST time, as WELL as the second, third, and fourth times. Meaning that every time was AFTER the timeskip, genius. And Goku being in a living body is what made SSJ3 harder for him in the first place, as per his own statement.

4. Yeah, that would make sense. WHICH IS WHY HE WAS STILL BARELY HALF AS STRONG AS HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS 11. Not to mention that he OBVIOUSLY COULD go SSJ2, as he even SAID he did so against Kibito.

5. No, he didn't say that, you liar.


where did i say goku didnt go ssj 3 in the buu saga?

Originally posted by yungz22
where did i say goku didnt go ssj 3 in the buu saga?

Where did I say that you said that?

You implied that Goku's training after the Cell saga made him able to use SSJ3 better than he did against Buu. EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER USED SSJ3 UNTIL AFTER THE TRAINING.

"also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor"

smfh

I'll make this even easier: Dabura=Perfect Cell>SSJ1 Gohan(Cell-era)>>SSJ1 Gohan(Buu-era.)

Even during the Cell Games, when Gohan was FAR more powerful, he still HAD TO become a SSJ2 to become more powerful than Cell... When he was merely a SSJ1, Cell stomped him rather easily. That said, Gohan couldn't have possibly stalemated a Cell-level opponent(ie. Dabura) as a SSJ1 during the Buu-era, given his VAST reduction in power at the time.

In short: Gohan literally MUST HAVE been a SSJ2 against Dabura. Anything less would have been stomped... And effortlessly so.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Where did I say that you said that?

You implied that Goku's training after the Cell saga made him able to use SSJ3 better than he did against Buu. EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER USED SSJ3 UNTIL AFTER THE TRAINING.

"also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor"

smfh

i never implied any of this.... read my post again

Originally posted by yungz22
i never implied any of this.... read my post again

I just reposted from it.

Read your own post again, you clearly did imply that.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I just reposted from it.

Read your own post again, you clearly did imply that.


i clearly said goku was dead when he first turned ssj 3 and alive when he fought buutenk which may be why he took longer to transform


idk how you got all that other shit from that

Originally posted by yungz22
i clearly said goku was dead when he first turned ssj 3 and alive when he fought buutenk which may be why he took longer to transform


idk how you got all that other shit from that

And I told you that being dead made SSJ3 easier for Goku, as he stated blatantly.

I got all that other shit from the only two possible points you could have been making.

Both of which were retarded, and completely absurd.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And I told you that being dead made SSJ3 easier for Goku, as he stated blatantly.

I got all that other shit from the only two possible points you could have been making.

Both of which were retarded, and completely absurd.

he said its easier for him to transormf in other world not on earth from what i remember

Originally posted by yungz22
he said its easier for him to transormf in other world not on earth from what i remember

Okay...

To prove the kind of stress I am going through, to everyone else watching this train-wreck, I'm going to post from your earlier posts, as well as mine...

This is what you said.

"also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor"

This is what I said, in response.

"And Goku being in a living body is what made SSJ3 harder for him in the first place, as per his own statement."

Do you not realize, that you just made a 180 in your argument to mirror what I said, acting like your first idiotic posts didn't exist? You LITERALLY just switched your side of the argument, to my side, and tried to continue arguing.

Why are you still allowed on here???

I mean... Am I the only one who notices a problem here?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Okay...

To prove the kind of stress I am going through, to everyone else watching this train-wreck, I'm going to post from your earlier posts, as well as mine...

This is what you said.

"also goku was alive when he fought buutenks so that may be why it was faster then in addition to the continous amount of training he did in other world after the cell saga could be a factor"

This is what I said, in response.

"And Goku being in a living body is what made SSJ3 harder for him in the first place, as per his own statement."

Do you not realize, that you just made a 180 in your argument to mirror what I said, acting like your first idiotic posts didn't exist? You LITERALLY just switched your side of the argument, to my side, and tried to continue arguing.

Why are you still allowed on here???

I mean... Am I the only one who notices a problem here?


goku was alive when he fought buutenks and dead when he fought majin buu that is what i was talking about in terms of transformation speed if you could comprehend things you would understand

btw both of those times he was on earth what he does in otherworld is irrelevant i ws just correcting you about what he said


im talking about when he transformed on earth

It's still a transformation though...even if it's done in other world. It's not like that realm add some type of special ingredient to aid in Goku's transformation.

Originally posted by carver9
It's still a transformation though...even if it's done in other world. It's not like that realm add some type of special ingredient to aid in Goku's transformation.


my point has nothing to do about where they i specificallly noted that at ome point goku was dead and at another he wasnt which may be why the transformation speed was different

against fat buu dead

against buutenks and kid buu alive

So you have two accts? One is chasedown and the other is yungz?

Damn, you got busted by Carver of all people.

Carver, do you accept his concession?

Originally posted by yungz22
goku was alive when he fought buutenks and dead when he fought majin buu that is what i was talking about in terms of transformation speed if you could comprehend things you would understand

1. You pointed out that Goku being alive against Buutenks could have helped his transformation.

2. I pointed out that Goku explicitly stated that it was easier to go SSJ3 as a dead body, as apposed to a living one.

You. ARE. not. SLICK.

Originally posted by carver9
So you have two accts? One is chasedown and the other is yungz?





YOU GOT HIM TO FINALLY ADMIT IT!!!

Great job, Carver!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Damn, you got busted by Carver of all people.

I know, right?

How ironic, lol.

i think its hilarious that you guys actually believe this

i can give you guys my facebook information and show you guys who i am in person. alot of yall wouldnt even do that.

i wish there was a way for yall to see a profile's ip address

but whatever

Originally posted by chasedown
i think its hilarious that you guys actually believe this

i can give you guys my facebook information and show you guys who i am in person. alot of yall wouldnt even do that.

i wish there was a way for yall to see a profile's ip address

but whatever

lol, you clearly were just caught.

You continued Yungz's post, from YOUR account. This should prove, undoubtedly, after all our past suspicions, that you two are the same person.

"Brothers", lol.

i said "my point" that doesnt mean anything its myyyyyyy point not his


you got insta or snap chat ill prove it right now

Showing us your Facebook doesn't mean that it's not the other person's Facebook as well. Proving that it is your Facebook is another thing entirely. None of that matters though.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Showing us your Facebook doesn't mean that it's not the other person's Facebook as well. Proving that it is your Facebook is another thing entirely. None of that matters though.

lol what would you like a vid of me logging in?

A vid of you logging in and a vid of you not logging in as the other person doesn't prove anything either. Though, you two do type alike and make the same mistakes.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
A vid of you logging in and a vid of you not logging in as the other person doesn't prove anything either. Though, you two do type alike and make the same mistakes.

fyi not everything that looks the same is the same.


plus idgaf about grammer this is a forum i go through enough scrutiny in college idgaf about it here.

Yeah you kinda got caught here. "chasedown" didn't post in this thread at all but when carver questioned "yungz22", "chasedown" replied like carv was calling him out. Sucks bro but you got busted

Originally posted by yungz22
btw both of those times he was on earth what he does in otherworld is irrelevant i ws just correcting you about what he said


im talking about when he transformed on earth

Originally posted by carver9
It's still a transformation though...even if it's done in other world. It's not like that realm add some type of special ingredient to aid in Goku's transformation.

Originally posted by chasedown
my point has nothing to do about where they i specificallly noted that at ome point goku was dead and at another he wasnt which may be why the transformation speed was different

against fat buu dead

against buutenks and kid buu alive

Time to fess up

confirmed4sock.

Called it.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah you kinda got caught here. "chasedown" didn't post in this thread at all but when carver questioned "yungz22", "chasedown" replied like carv was calling him out. Sucks bro but you got busted







Time to fess up

Detective Carver solves another case. He almost makes it look easy.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Detective Carver solves another case. He almost makes it look easy.



No kidding, lol.

It was only a matter of time though. I knew I'd drive him to the point of insanity, that he'd forget to use the right account.

detective

jerry

thats not even me -_-

Originally posted by yungz22
thats not even me -_-

Uso!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Detective Carver solves another case.



Only Detective Gargan can match his skills.

snapchat, insta, facebook or vids anyone?

You know, the more you try to defend yourself at this point, the worse it looks. It's a rule.

Pretending you don't give a sh*t would be a much better strategy.

Not to mention that Yungz doesn't even know about the context of this argument, yet just posted a reply that chasedown would have posted as well.

Face it, the fact that you, whoever you are, types like this big of a retard, on BOTH of your accounts, was proof enough for most of us. Now you've been caught, because you're an idiot. Good job.

It' funny how the people willing to reveal their identities are being questioned about those same identities you all refuse to see. But I digress

Originally posted by chasedown
It' funny how the people willing to reveal their identities are being questioned about those same identities you all refuse to see. But I digress

How does revealing yourself show you don't have two accounts? I could post a vid of me logging in as carver9. Doesn't mean I'm not still juggerman too

Originally posted by chasedown
It' funny how the people willing to reveal their identities are being questioned about those same identities you all refuse to see. But I digress

No, "It'" funny how you are trying to play this off, by saying you'll show us yourself. But unless we saw you, AND Yungz, who was definitely a different person, then our suspicions will remain.

Knew that yungz and chasedown were the same person

Mods, why is yungz still here?

Originally posted by chasedown
It' funny how the people willing to reveal their identities are being questioned about those same identities you all refuse to see. But I digress

The people? You're the only one who has offered to link your Facebook or snapchat with someone. Yung hasn't offered to do that at all so once again you group him with yourself out of nowhere.

EDIT: I peeped the little micro-changes you guys made. Yung changes his avatar and sig, while also changing his gender to male from unspecified like you both had. Just saying, it's kind of funny to make those changes all of a sudden.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The people? You're the only one who has offered to link your Facebook or snapchat with someone. Yung hasn't offered to do that at all so once again you group him with yourself out of nowhere.

EDIT: I peeped the little micro-changes you guys made. Yung changes his avatar and sig, while also changing his gender to male from unspecified like you both had. Just saying, it's kind of funny to make those changes all of a sudden.

I don't know why this guys thinks he's so slick.

It's like a child, caught with his hand in the cookie jar, lol.