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Who wins?

King's got this one. Chastiefol can take out Alucard in a lot of ways such as barraging him multiple times with mini-clone spears, petrification, or blasting him with energy beams.

Not to mention his speed being much greater than Alucard and how destructive Chastiefol is in general.

Faster? Didn't expect to hear that, considering how fast Alucard is.

But I'm still pretty early in the manga, up to the end of the first major arc. What feats does King have that make him faster?

It's mainly based off the speed of Gilthunder's lightning, how Meliodas is able to dodge it and in turn the fact that the other Sins have similar levels of speed. At the very least, King is able to react to such speeds with his telekinesis and what not.

What if this was end of story Alucard with schroedinger's soul?

That one seemed completely unstoppable. There, nowhere, everywhere, something, and nothing all at once.. Basically, a plot device character that can be in any state of existance that he's able to concieve of.

More or less, a true toon forcer. Shoot him in the head, and he's fine the next moment.

Chesire Cat from Alice and Wonderland, essentially. And Alucard inherited his powers..

Don't really know enough about Alucard, but from what I've seen of him, it seems King would take this. His speed, power, and Chastiefol should put him on top here.

He'd have to be willing to kill him millions of times even without Schrodinger though. Can he continue a battle like that for months on end?

This was my response from the Abel vs Alucarf thread, instead of writing the whole this over, I just copied it to this thread.

Fans of Alucard gets a hard-on so bad they equals DBz's.

What people don't know is that ALucard has been killed multiple times in the manga. Every time Alucard loses his head, he's actually dying. The only reason he doesn't stay dead completely is due to his soul count.

Think of it like an rpg. Where as Alucard soul count is his life point. Every time he dies, he loses a life point, or a soul. Once he dies enough times, he's gone.

Alucard is barely a bullet buster, his speed is only bullet time. He durability is shit. The only Alucard that can give Abel a fight is EOS Alucard.

He becomes mummify, and don't say he can't become mummify because of his soul. The beginning of Hellsing proved other wise.

Please, don't bring the whole Alucard is omnipresent bullshit. Why? Because if you're an Omnipresent being, you cannot force yourself to stop exiting since you exist in all time line. That's a paradox. Why? Because the Cat Alucard absorb to gain said powers forgot himself, that's why Alucard was able to win. He barely won, he had to sacrificed all of the other souls to beat the Cat personality from wining.

Also, don't bring the red herring of ALucard claiming only a human can beat him crap. It's like saying if Alucard goes against Darkseid, he'll win since Darkseid is not human.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He'd have to be willing to kill him millions of times even without Schrodinger though. Can he continue a battle like that for months on end?

King can just petrify Alucard. Game over.

Originally posted by SquallX
What people don't know is that ALucard has been killed multiple times in the manga. Every time Alucard loses his head, he's actually dying. The only reason he doesn't stay dead completely is due to his soul count.

Not true; Alexander and Walter both beheaded him more than once after he released level 0, and he survived both fights sequentially. The only way to kill him is to cut his heart out of his chest.



True; he'll die after his 3 million souls runs out. Three million deaths.

Originally posted by SquallX
This was my response from the Abel vs Alucarf thread, instead of writing the whole this over, I just copied it to this thread.

Fans of Alucard gets a hard-on so bad they equals DBz's.

What people don't know is that ALucard has been killed multiple times in the manga. Every time Alucard loses his head, he's actually dying. The only reason he doesn't stay dead completely is due to his soul count.

Think of it like an rpg. Where as Alucard soul count is his life point. Every time he dies, he loses a life point, or a soul. Once he dies enough times, he's gone.

Alucard is barely a bullet buster, his speed is only bullet time. He durability is shit. The only Alucard that can give Abel a fight is EOS Alucard.

He becomes mummify, and don't say he can't become mummify because of his soul. The beginning of Hellsing proved other wise.

Please, don't bring the whole Alucard is omnipresent bullshit. Why? Because if you're an Omnipresent being, you cannot force yourself to stop exiting since you exist in all time line. That's a paradox. Why? Because the Cat Alucard absorb to gain said powers forgot himself, that's why Alucard was able to win. He barely won, he had to sacrificed all of the other souls to beat the Cat personality from wining.

Also, don't bring the red herring of ALucard claiming only a human can beat him crap. It's like saying if Alucard goes against Darkseid, he'll win since Darkseid is not human.

The cat forgot himself, but Alicard having absorbed him essentially became.the cat.

I really hate schroedinger. His powers are ridiculous even by Hellsing standards, they're ill defined, and basically a definition of "plot device".. Kind of lazy writing, to put so much of your plot resolution on a stupid thing like that.

But it is what it is. The cat appeared whereever he wanted, including in dreams, and it was impossible to harm him. It's a wonder he couldn't simply will himself to appear in Alucards blood, instead of being absorbed conventionally..

And Alucard made a statement to the effect that now, he's in the same state of existance as that darn cat.

That should mean he can no longer absord souls. But when you have the "Impossible Man" of souls, it's all you need.

Originally posted by cdtm
The cat forgot himself, but Alicard having absorbed him essentially became.the cat.

I really hate schroedinger. His powers are ridiculous even by Hellsing standards, they're ill defined, and basically a definition of "plot device".. Kind of lazy writing, to put so much of your plot resolution on a stupid thing like that.

But it is what it is. The cat appeared whereever he wanted, including in dreams, and it was impossible to harm him. It's a wonder he couldn't simply will himself to appear in Alucards blood, instead of being absorbed conventionally..

And Alucard made a statement to the effect that now, he's in the same state of existance as that darn cat.

That should mean he can no longer absord souls. But when you have the "Impossible Man" of souls, it's all you need.

Again people uses that power out of context.

An omnipresent being cannot forget himself just because he/she wants too, here lies the Paradox. That means he/she's not a real omnipresent being.

Case and fact, the Cat forgot himself, that right there shows he's not a true omnipresent being.

Powerful beings have being able to enters others dreams, that doens't make them that powerful.

Constantine is able to enter people's dreams, those that make him omni of any sense?

Look at it this way, a true Omnipresent being lives outside of time and space, that being exist both in the past, present and future. That being knows everything about it self.

So if the cat was truly Omnipresent, how come it didn't know he would lose to Alucard?

No, to exist outside of time is to be omniscient, it's not inherent in omnipresence.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, to exist outside of time is to be omniscient, it's not inherent in omnipresence.

You have it wrong.

There are three level of omni.

omniscient Is the knowledge of knowing everything in the Universe.

Omnipresent is the ability to exist in all form, past present and future.

Omnipotent to truly have no peer, there is nothing you can't do.

You can be one of the first two, but you can't be the third one without having the first two.

Originally posted by SquallX
Again people uses that power out of context.

An omnipresent being cannot forget himself just because he/she wants too, here lies the Paradox. That means he/she's not a real omnipresent being.

Case and fact, the Cat forgot himself, that right there shows he's not a true omnipresent being.

Powerful beings have being able to enters others dreams, that doens't make them that powerful.

Constantine is able to enter people's dreams, those that make him omni of any sense?

Look at it this way, a true Omnipresent being lives outside of time and space, that being exist both in the past, present and future. That being knows everything about it self.

So if the cat was truly Omnipresent, how come it didn't know he would lose to Alucard?

it's a reverse schroader's cat.

Basically, his state is dependant on his perception, instead of the perception an outside observer. As far as the cat is concerned, he both exists and doesn't exist, all at once.

As far as losing his consciousness to Alucard... I have no idea. We've seen the cat take a bullet to the head, and the next moment be fine (with no sign of conventional healing factors). But Alucard's powers are about as ill defined at schroadingers... For all we know, the cat still exists as himself, and Alucard at the same time. Without knowing how his power actually works, there's know telling..

But that's the point. For all intents and purposes, you may as well be pitting King against Bugs Bunny here, for all the rules cat follows.m

Originally posted by Markness
King can just petrify Alucard. Game over.

Adding to this, King has faced and defeated Helbram who is stronger than anything featwise Hellsing can bring to the table here.

Yeah, can't King just petrify him, and be done with it? Or has Hellsing been turned to stone and broken out or something, before? Because if not, it seems like King has this in the bag, coupled with his superior feats.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, to exist outside of time is to be omniscient, it's not inherent in omnipresence.

Yeah, Squall is right on this. Omniscience is infinite knowledge, Omnipotence is infinite power, and Omnipresence is pretty much... infinite existence?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah, can't King just petrify him, and be done with it? Or has Hellsing been turned to stone and broken out or something, before? Because if not, it seems like King has this in the bag, coupled with his superior feats.



Yeah, Squall is right on this. Omniscience is infinite knowledge, Omnipotence is infinite power, and Omnipresence is pretty much... infinite existence?

I don't believe that applies to time, though, otherwise omniscience would be inherent in omnipresence.

At least it's not OnePunch King. Now there's someone to fear!

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't believe that applies to time, though, otherwise omniscience would be inherent in omnipresence.

Well yeah, most characters with omnipresence also have at least nigh-omnsicience. But no, omnipresence is simply existing everywhere at the same time, and existing before, during and after time. Basically, nothing can stop them from existing.

I can't really think of any characters with omnipresence that aren't also omniscient, or at least nigh-omniscient, but you can have one without the other.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah, can't King just petrify him, and be done with it? Or has Hellsing been turned to stone and broken out or something, before? Because if not, it seems like King has this in the bag, coupled with his superior feats.


Alucard's never been petrified but that doesn't men he's immune to it. Not to mention, his flesh is like enchiladas when struck by significantly powerful characters so he's definitely getting skewered by Chastiefol.

We dont know is Alucard is truly "Omnipresent" and its just speculation from the fans but Alucard wins.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
We dont know is Alucard is truly "Omnipresent" and its just speculation from the fans but Alucard wins.

Not unless it's just regular Alucard. King's arsenal gives him quite a bit of ways to handle him.

Originally posted by Markness
Not unless it's just regular Alucard. King's arsenal gives him quite a bit of ways to handle him.
Pretty sure he has to be Killed in a 12 way step unless King has a atomic level attack.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Pretty sure he has to be Killed in a 12 way step unless King has a atomic level attack.

True Spirit Spear Chastiefol is city level in destructive power but that's uneccesary since King can just petrify him.

I don't think that would work on Alucard I mean alucard has a similar type power.