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Darth Vader as of Revenge of the Sith (pre-Mustafar) runs a lightsaber only guantlet.

Rules:
Darth Vader gets full rest and health after each round, both Vader and his opponents get one day of preparation for each round. Only lightsaber, physical and Force augmentation feats apply.

Boss Round Rules: Darth Vader gets three day preparation, his opponents do not.
Full health and rest between rounds.

Final boss: Same as previous rules, but Darth Vader gets 25% amp to speed.

Setting: Wide-open field.

1.Adi Gallia.
2.Barris Offee.
3.Savage Opress.
4.Depa Billaba.
5.Shaak Ti.
6.Plo Koon.
7.Kit Fisto.
8.General Grievous.
9.Asajj Ventress.
10.Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Boss Round: Darth Maul.
Boss Round 2: Mace Windu.
Boss Round 3: Darth Tyranus.
Boss Round 4: Darth Vader (ROTJ).

Final Boss: Darth Sidious.

ROTS Vader dies to Sidious

Even with three day prep and 25% faster speed? Remember Anakin alone is said by Windu to be greater than himself in dueling ability due to his killing Tyranus.

^ I've never bought the whole "if you can't see them clearly then they'll blitz you." After all Ben Kenobi taught Luke to fight with his eyes shut anyway.

The blitzing Fisto/Tiin/Kolar thing is fair enough. But then Sidious never blitzed Windu, and Windu never blitz Maul or Dooku. And neither Maul or Dooku were faster than Skywalker nor was Windu considerably faster than any of them as far as I'm aware.

A 25% speed amp is actually a lot (especially for a Powerhouse like Skywalker), but also leads to way too much speculation for my taste.

Clears, apart from his fight with Sidious. I simply don't know how it will play out with the OP rules.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A 25% speed amp is actually a lot (especially for a Powerhouse like Skywalker), but also leads to way too much speculation for my taste.

Could clear.

A Force user won't necessarily be blitzed by an opponent like Sidious just because they can't see them with their eyes, but, given that Force Users have superhuman perception speed, and usually have no issues with seeing each other when they fight, the fact that Sidious can move faster than some Force users can see clearly, or at all, suggests a large speed disparity.

Having said that, Force users have a degree or supernatural clairvoyance - the Force guides them, they can see through the Force like a large sphere of vision, they can see things before they happen - which is why despite the fact Sidious has moved uncomfortably fast for the perceptions of Maul, Windu, Fisto etc, they've all still managed to react to him and put up some level of a fight (Maul's can be partly attributed to his rage enhancement from Savage's death, which Fisto lacked, which is why Fisto basically got destroyed and Maul faired better.. because Maul isn't leagues ahead of Fisto usually). Windu sinking into Vaapad let him ramp his speed up to Sidious' level in the RotS novel, which explains why in that fight he went from being his usual self - someone who would have his hands full with Maul in a fight - to being the second person to date capable of matching Sidious in a fight. Then there's the business with Sidious throwing the fight, the false shatterpoint etc, but that's not really important. As for Kolar and Tiin, the RotS novel indicates that Sidious had a certain level of surprise on his side. People often overlook that, which is why they, and Fisto to a degree, are considered worthless by most people. In all reality they are very high calibre fighters, and are noted as such, they just got caught cold by the most powerful Sith in history, the same way plenty of fighters would have.

But yeah.. having said all of that, Operation Knightfall Vader with three days to prepare for Sidious - to focus himself, come to terms with his potential, learn to direct it in a way he hasn't done before - would do just fine against him. The guy is a complete monster who improves by the day, and with enough motivation can become substantially more powerful than he's ever been before. Like when he curbstomped Dooku with the right motivation. It's speculative as to whether or not he would win against Sidious, but he'd give him a hell of a fight.

ROTJ Vader is too high. Otherwise, agreed with Carthage.

With a 25% speed amp you could bet your ass he could take Palps in sabers, tbh. He'd still get dominated via Force, though.

Honestly, if DE Luke can take Sidious in sabers, I don't have any idea why nearly everyone in this thread thinks RoTS Vader with a 25% speed amp can't.

Yep just rethought it, he clears. Logistical bipolar disorder.

Fine then! I'm taking my ball and going home..................






EMOKIN WANKERS!!!

grumble grumble

Huh. So people think that if they're the same speed, Vader can beat Sidious? So he's more skilled and effective in sabers than him?

Yeah, he loses to Sidious.

ROTJ Vader is not above Mace and Dooku in sabers. Aside from that he dies at Sidious.

Probably is above Mace, not Dooku.

He clears everyone but Sidious. Even with 25% speed amp, I don't consider RotS Vader to be Sidious's equal in sabers, much less Force power.

Mace and Dooku are equally skilled as duelists, and Mace wouldn't have as much of a strength/form disadvantage versus Vader than Dooku would.

I agree though, they're both better duelists than ROTJ Vader.

Originally posted by Trocity
Fine then! I'm taking my ball and going home..................






EMOKIN WANKERS!!!

grumble grumble
All of which is better than the stupidity that puts Luke above not just a RotS Vader, but a RotS Vader with three days of prep and a 25% speed amp, as of DE. That amount of retardation is just gross.

Originally posted by Trocity
Mace and Dooku are equally skilled as duelists, and Mace wouldn't have as much of a strength/form disadvantage versus Vader than Dooku would.

I agree though, they're both better duelists than ROTJ Vader.

I'd place Dooku slightly above Mace in terms of skill. But yeah, they're pretty much equals. I forgot about Vaapad. That would most definitely be helpful against enraged RotS Vader.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
All of which is better than the stupidity that puts Luke above not just a RotS Vader, but a RotS Vader with three days of prep and a 25% speed amp, as of DE. That amount of retardation is just gross.

All of what? Sarcasm?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I'd place Dooku slightly above Mace in terms of skill.

I probably would too but yeah, very close.

Originally posted by Trocity
All of what? Sarcasm?
No, wanking. I prefer it to shitting on characters, tbh. Even Bane jokes get old eventually. You being sarcastic or not is irrelevant. Stop pretending you matter.

Originally posted by Trocity
I probably would too but yeah, very close.

I'd say Dooku is more skilled but with Shatterpoint Mace is at least his equal.

Maybe. I don't know, Mace underperforms a lot.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, wanking. I prefer it to shitting on characters, tbh. Even Bane jokes get old eventually. You being sarcastic or not is irrelevant. Stop pretending you matter.

Ahhh, gotcha



Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't know, Mace underperforms a lot.

He really does