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Who wins?
No Prep..
No B.F.R..
Dcnu..




Constantine


Vs


Supermam

Ah yes, a planet-busting super god vs. a regular dude who needs prep for pretty much everything. What's that, you say OP?

Originally posted by Supermex
No Prep..

Well then.

I dunno. Maybe Constantine is even more uber than I realize. Someone more familiar with him will have to chime in. This reeks of a stomp to me, though.

Kal

Originally posted by Digi
Ah yes, a planet-busting super god vs. a regular dude who needs prep for pretty much everything. What's that, you say OP?



Well then.

I dunno. Maybe Constantine is even more uber than I realize. Someone more familiar with him will have to chime in. This reeks of a stomp to me, though. If superman uses his ftl movement speed he wins this. If he doesn't and fights him like this is a joke, constantine has a pretty good chance against him. Go to Constantine's respect thread if you really want to see his crazier feats.

Originally posted by deathslash
If superman uses his ftl movement speed he wins this. If he doesn't constantine has a pretty good chance against him. Go to Constantines respect thread if you really want to see his crazier feats.

I've been there, it's really good. But a lot of times it's hard to know exactly how much (if any) prep went into a feat, when it's removed of its context. I don't want to overstep my bounds of knowledge.

Constnatine Wins.

Originally posted by Digi
I've been there, it's really good. But a lot of times it's hard to know exactly how much (if any) prep went into a feat, when it's removed of its context. I don't want to overstep my bounds of knowledge. Then ask golgo or galan. They know the absolute most about constantine.

Originally posted by deathslash
Then ask golgo or galan. They know the absolute most about constantine. The most those dweebs know about Constantine is how to spell his name.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
The most those dweebs know about Constantine is how to spell his name.






lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins.

One of those rare occasions we agree. Without Prep (at least a little) con John is screwed. If he didn't have a chance to at least put a mystic spell of protection around him what is stopping Supe's from tearing him a new one??

Originally posted by deathslash
If superman uses his ftl movement speed he wins this. If he doesn't and fights him like this is a joke, constantine has a pretty good chance against him. Go to Constantine's respect thread if you really want to see his crazier feats.

Why does he need to use his speed here? He could clap his hands in John's general direction and KO him.

Originally posted by beatboks
One of those rare occasions we agree. Without Prep (at least a little) con John is screwed. If he didn't have a chance to at least put a mystic spell of protection around him what is stopping Supe's from tearing him a new one??

My question would be..has John ever even been shown to put a mystic spell of protection on himself that is strong enough to protect him from someone strong enough to bench press a planet?

Superman wins.

If Superman speedblitzes immediately, he wins. If Constantine has enough time to utter even a single word, he wins.

What scenario can you see happening?

Originally posted by Galan007
If Superman speedblitzes immediately, he wins. If Constantine has enough time to utter even a single word, he wins.

I'd say the latter is the most likely of the two.

Originally posted by carver9
What scenario can you see happening? Imo, it is entirely dependent on whether or not Superman knows he's going to be fighting Constantine prior to entering the battle. If so, he's much more likely to speedblitz right away, as he knows that John can put him down with a single word/gesture.

Originally posted by Reflassshh


I'd say the latter is the most likely of the two.
Constantine dropping superman that easily? Never gonna happen in a comic.

The versus forum isn't a comic.

In a Forum fight Superman would go for the speedblitz. 10/10

CIS still applies, so no, he wouldn't.

...Unless you can provide scans of Superman speedblitzing his opponents in 100% of the battles he's been in, of course.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Constantine dropping superman that easily? Never gonna happen in a comic. Why not? He's just a bad match up for Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
The versus forum isn't a comic.
So speedblitz it is. Whatever makes you happy.

Originally posted by Galan007
CIS still applies, so no, he wouldn't.

...Unless you can provide scans of Superman speedblitzing his opponents in 100% of the battles he's been in, of course.

CIS still applies so Constantine dropping Supes with one word is as legit as Superman blitzing someone he knows from the start, unless you can provide Constatine dropping his opponents in 100% of the battls he's been in, of course.

Superman wins 10/10. Galan exposed as another Fanboy 10/10. Today is my day.

Originally posted by Galan007
CIS still applies, so no, he wouldn't.

...Unless you can provide scans of Superman speedblitzing his opponents in 100% of the battles he's been in, of course.
Or Constantine dropping Superman level beings all the time with a single word.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
CIS still applies so Constantine dropping Supes with one word is as legit as Superman blitzing someone he knows from the start, unless you can provide Constatine dropping his opponents in 100% of the battls he's been in, of course.

Superman wins 10/10. Galan exposed as another Fanboy 10/10. Today is my day. I never said Constantine would win at all... Much less that he would win 10/10.

Good job making yourself look like a complete idiot, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or Constantine dropping Superman level beings all the time with a single word. Apparently I missed the part where I said that that Constantine 'drops' Superman-level beings 'all the time'..? mmm

You certainly said that Constantine can and will drop superman with a single word.

uhuh

It's possible. Just like it's possible that Superman can drop Constantine with a blitz.

I certainly never said that one scenario was more likely than the other, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
I never said Constantine would win at all... Much less that he would win 10/10.

Good job making yourselves look like complete idiots, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Superman speedblitzes immediately, he wins. If Constantine has enough time to utter even a single word, he wins.

Going with you CIS argument that Supes won't blitz from the go, it leaves only one conclusion.

Why so offensive? You went full retard with your 100% statement, being made fun because of it shouldn't be something new to you. You are well known for you phucking double standard and blind fanboyism. Accept it.

You still get a dur for the retardness of your posts here. ^^

Originally posted by Galan007
It's possible. Just like it's possible that Superman can drop Constantine with a blitz.

I certainly never said that one scenario was more likely than the other, though.
But what about John's CIS? Is he going to start using that level of powerful spells right from the start against Superman of all beings?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Going with you CIS argument that Supes won't blitz from the go, it leaves only one conclusion.

Why so offensive? You went full retard with your 100% statement, being made fun because of it shouldn't be something new to you. You are well known for you phucking double standard and blind fanboyism. Accept it.

You still get a dur for the retardness of your posts here. ^^ You said that in a forum fight, Superman would blitz Constantine 10/10. I felt the need to correct this laughably faulty logic, because CIS still applies--and anyone who is familiar with Superman on even a remedial level knows that it is absolutely not in character for him to run around speedblitzing every opponent he ever faces... Just like Constantine doesn't run around killing all of his opponents with a single word 10/10... They just don't. However, this certainly doesn't imply that I think Constantine wins "10/10", like you egregiously tried saying.

It is amazing that you cannot simply admit that you were wrong with your presumptions, and move on. Instead, you continue to make yourself look like a childish idiot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But what about John's CIS? Is he going to start using that level of powerful spells right from the start against Superman of all beings? Imo, it really comes down to whether or not they know who they'll be facing prior to the battle commencing. If they have this preexisting knowledge, then Superman is more likely to attempt a blitz right away. If they don't have this knowledge and go into the battle 'blind', then the circumstances would favor John moreso.

Dunno who wins. I certainly don't think it's a cut-and-dry battle either way, though. /shrug

You didn't answer my question though. Is it really in character for John to throw such powerful spells against heroes right from the start? Because from what I've read, he isn't that much of a bastard.

Originally posted by Galan007
It is amazing that you cannot simply admit that you were wrong with your presumptions, and move on. Instead, you continue to make yourself look like a childish idiot.

dur stop backtracking mofo. You posted first this retarded post of yours:

Originally posted by Galan007
If Superman speedblitzes immediately, he wins. If Constantine has enough time to utter even a single word, he wins.

After which I mocked you, though you couldn't even grasp this simple little thing in your full retard mode.

But honestly, I can't resist to mock reatards if they write something retarded :/. I think I expected to much from you. But heed your own advice and "admit that you were wrong with your presumptions, and move on".

Originally posted by abhilegend
You didn't answer my question though. Is it really in character for John to throw such powerful spells against heroes right from the start? Because from what I've read, he isn't that much of a bastard. His fight against the JLD, for starters. He walked in and just started wrecking them(poor Frank .)

So yeah, he's done it.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
dur stop backtracking mofo. You posted first this retarded post of yours:

After which I mocked you, though you couldn't even grasp this simple little thing in your full retard mode.

But honestly, I can't resist to mock reatards if they write something retarded :/. I think I expected to much from you. But heed your own advice and "admit that you were wrong with your presumptions, and move on". Yes, keep back-peddling. A post of yours was inaccurate, you were called on it, you retaliated with a bash-fueled rant that had absolutely nothing to do with anything I had said, you were then called on that BS and responded with the same level of intransigence yet again. It is unreal that you still cannot admit your presumptions about my stance were glaringly wrong, and continue with your childish idiocy.

I'm done with you. You can have the last word that you crave so desperately. Addressing your type isn't my thing.

Originally posted by Galan007
His fight against the JLD, for starters. He walked in and just started wrecking them(poor Frank .)

So yeah, he's done it.

Yes, keep back-peddling. A post of yours was inaccurate, you were called on it, you retaliated with a bash-fueled rant that had absolutely nothing to do with anything I had said, you were then called on that BS and responded with the same level of intransigence yet again. It is unreal that you still cannot admit your presumptions about my stance were glaringly wrong, and continue with your childish idiocy.

I'm done with you. You can have the last word that you crave so desperately. Addressing your type isn't my thing.

Yes, keep back-peddling. A post of yours was inaccurate, you were called on it, you retaliated with a bash-fueled rant that had absolutely nothing to do with anything I had said, you were then called on that BS and responded with the same level of intransigence yet again. It is unreal that you still cannot admit your presumptions were glaringly wrong, and continue with your Retardness.

You should keep on analysing yourself, actuall that was spot on, safed me some time explaining why you behave like a retard. ^^

Yeah, I take the last word, as suits the winner and now run to retardville.

John dead fished Frankenstein with a few syllables, and Frank is a lot more resilient to magic than Kal. Like others have said, this type of thing basically makes this fight a quick draw.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why does he need to use his speed here? He could clap his hands in John's general direction and KO him.



My question would be..has John ever even been shown to put a mystic spell of protection on himself that is strong enough to protect him from someone strong enough to bench press a planet?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/113883/3036394-2817509456-26217.jpg

Ah yes, this is what prep would do for the fight.

Originally posted by beatboks
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/113883/3036394-2817509456-26217.jpg

Ah yes, this is what prep would do for the fight.

What if Superman would've punched him instead of grabbing him?

Originally posted by carver9
What if Superman would've punched him instead of grabbing him? Constantine would have gotten up and killed him dead.

Originally posted by carver9
What if Superman would've punched him instead of grabbing him? it wouldnt really be much of a protection spell if it allowed one to punch through it. the way I see it, the only reason Supes could grab him was because until he put the "sqeeze" on it wasn'tn't percieved by the spell as an attack.

Also on the whole "depends on if Superman knows who he's facing" argument. Has something happened to relieve Suoes of his suoer senses? Doesnt he have super visiin, super hearing? Doesnt he know John constsntine and what he's capable of? Can someone tell me how Suoes would not sense John tense etc when he sees him and know that hes planning to face him. Not hear him start to speak. What likelihood is there in a forum fight that he would allow him to finish that word??

Just out of curiosity, who did John Constantine drop, with a single word, that was on the level of Superman?

Originally posted by beatboks
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/113883/3036394-2817509456-26217.jpg

Ah yes, this is what prep would do for the fight.

Yeah, that's a protection spell, but not exactly of the nature I was asking. In other words, that tells us nothing of the amount of damage John could soak up with a spell.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just out of curiosity, who did John Constantine drop, with a single word, that was on the level of Superman? Frankenstein:
http://i.imgur.com/6EBKNPV.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Frankenstein:
http://i.imgur.com/6EBKNPV.jpg

What has Nu Frankenstein done on the level of Nu Supes?

Shown that he is strong enough to contend with, and/or beat, the likes of:
OMAC
Shazam
Dianna

He's also demonstrated immunity to high-level magics. So yeah.

Originally posted by Galan007
Shown that he is strong enough to contend with, and/or beat, the likes of:
OMAC
Shazam
Dianna

No idea how powerful Omac is, but did Shazam or Diana actually fight..well, intelligently? As in, not forgetting their powers?



If he's immune to high level magics how is John Constantine doing anything to him? Why'd they make him into Dr. Fate for no reason? Wait is Dr. Fate dead?

Originally posted by Surtur
No idea how powerful Omac is, but did Shazam or Diana actually fight..well, intelligently? As in, not forgetting their powers?



If he's immune to high level magics how is John Constantine doing anything to him? Why'd they make him into Dr. Fate for no reason? Wait is Dr. Fate dead? OMAC is a herald-level team-wrecker. The others fought and were overpowered. Strength-wise Frank is an elite.

Because Constantine's magic>the high-level magics Frank demonstrated immunity to?

Don't forget immunity to fundamental forces of the universe, I.e The Rot.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Don't forget immunity to fundamental forces of the universe, I.e The Rot. Not immune to a Batkick.

No prep
No B.F.R

Constantine

Vs

Superman


Just a reminder

Originally posted by Surtur
Just out of curiosity, who did John Constantine drop, with a single word, that was on the level of Superman?



Yeah, that's a protection spell, but not exactly of the nature I was asking. In other words, that tells us nothing of the amount of damage John could soak up with a spell. Owns Blight with a spell, and prepares yet another spell that could have killed Blight outright had Swamp Thing and Nightmare Nurse been able to hold him/it a little longer:
http://imgur.com/NSeePEC
http://imgur.com/T8wVGoo
http://imgur.com/eElxkel
http://imgur.com/2FXDbkg
http://imgur.com/lzJNGgl

Owns one of the Seven Deadly Sins:
http://imgur.com/rnDKemU

After traveling to Heaven, John avoids a physical punch from Spectre with a teleportation spell:
http://imgur.com/X2PTphI
http://imgur.com/WSeQwJ9
http://imgur.com/IbvwXGT
http://imgur.com/o826j6R

Teleports out of Heaven, and is able to outrun Zauriel long enough to reach the House of Mystery and invoke a 'Celestial Circle' imprisonment spell that is strong enough to trap Zauriel in the material world:
http://imgur.com/0wo8zRu
http://imgur.com/6bGJjy3
http://imgur.com/1wZJdho
http://imgur.com/EZ6u7ki

John and Nightmare Nurse invoke a 'Blackmare Curse'--one of the more complex spells in existence. It transforms its user into a literal demon and releases all of their inner darkness. After this curse was activated, the duo did extremely well against Blight, but NN pulled John away and negated the spell before he killed Blight's innocent host:
http://imgur.com/2T69HOg
http://i.imgur.com/H6ACriP.jpg
http://imgur.com/XF99phf
http://imgur.com/us5cxN6
http://imgur.com/fbJMZrz
http://imgur.com/6RrXD9Y

Constantine owns Frankenstein, Nightmare Nurse, Deadman, and Black Orchid with an omnidirectional blast:
http://imgur.com/9ZbAPJw
http://imgur.com/9eAwE3F

John displaces Frankenstein's sword into a pocket dimension, before downing him with a single word:
http://imgur.com/6EBKNPV

It took me a grand total of two minute's in constantine's respect thread to find this.

Originally posted by Galan007
His fight against the JLD, for starters. He walked in and just started wrecking them(poor Frank .)

So yeah, he's done it. Well JLD are no Superman in term of reputation in universe. He was pretty much helpless when Diana threatened him in Trinity War and Frank had to help him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Shown that he is strong enough to contend with, and/or beat, the likes of:
OMAC
Shazam
Dianna

He's also demonstrated immunity to high-level magics. So yeah.
Well, he didn't exactly beat Shazam or Diana. Also his durability is pretty suspect, for example Adam ripped his arm out. Originally posted by deathslash
Owns Blight with a spell, and prepares yet another spell that could have killed Blight outright had Swamp Thing and Nightmare Nurse been able to hold him/it a little longer:
http://imgur.com/NSeePEC
http://imgur.com/T8wVGoo
http://imgur.com/eElxkel
http://imgur.com/2FXDbkg
http://imgur.com/lzJNGgl

Owns one of the Seven Deadly Sins:
http://imgur.com/rnDKemU

After traveling to Heaven, John avoids a physical punch from Spectre with a teleportation spell:
http://imgur.com/X2PTphI
http://imgur.com/WSeQwJ9
http://imgur.com/IbvwXGT
http://imgur.com/o826j6R

Teleports out of Heaven, and is able to outrun Zauriel long enough to reach the House of Mystery and invoke a 'Celestial Circle' imprisonment spell that is strong enough to trap Zauriel in the material world:
http://imgur.com/0wo8zRu
http://imgur.com/6bGJjy3
http://imgur.com/1wZJdho
http://imgur.com/EZ6u7ki

John and Nightmare Nurse invoke a 'Blackmare Curse'--one of the more complex spells in existence. It transforms its user into a literal demon and releases all of their inner darkness. After this curse was activated, the duo did extremely well against Blight, but NN pulled John away and negated the spell before he killed Blight's innocent host:
http://imgur.com/2T69HOg
http://i.imgur.com/H6ACriP.jpg
http://imgur.com/XF99phf
http://imgur.com/us5cxN6
http://imgur.com/fbJMZrz
http://imgur.com/6RrXD9Y

Constantine owns Frankenstein, Nightmare Nurse, Deadman, and Black Orchid with an omnidirectional blast:
http://imgur.com/9ZbAPJw
http://imgur.com/9eAwE3F

John displaces Frankenstein's sword into a pocket dimension, before downing him with a single word:
http://imgur.com/6EBKNPV

It took me a grand total of two minute's in constantine's respect thread to find this.
Most of those aren't exactly on the spot, ready to use spells.

Now you guys are just nitpicking. You asked who John has owned with a word, and I provided a canon example of him doing so. The fact that he did so to a character whose primary 'power' is being immune to most forces is just an added bonus.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Most of those aren't exactly on the spot, ready to use spells. How did you reach that conclusion? There's like a grand total of two feats there that take time for constantine to build. Not only that, but in one of those two examples, constantine generates a shield that briefly keeps Blight from attacking him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Frankenstein:
http://i.imgur.com/6EBKNPV.jpg
So that's where Aaron got the idea for Unworthy Thor.. What a hack.

Oh, now he is a hack?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, he didn't exactly beat Shazam or Diana. Also his durability is pretty suspect, for example Adam ripped his arm out.
Most of those aren't exactly on the spot, ready to use spells. Seems to me Constantine wins.

Split.

I still havent seen anything that answers my question.
unless we're treating Superman like a comolete idiot there is now way he wont see or detect Consantine with his senses and because he knows what he is capable of prevent him from saying a word.

Does anyone here doubt that Supes can move fast en I ugh to take John out before he speaks. I'm not talking about how mm often he uses it in story for plot, but capability. Does anyine question that he was nows what john is capable of? The answer to both is yes. Therefore without prep John cant take a majority, its that simple.

Con John is a favorite character of mine from Vertigo, I'm the first to admit the Nu52 powered up version shits me more than a little because it wasnt necessary, but there is no way he can beat Supes in an impromptu encounter because of senses and speed. With prep, another story.

Originally posted by beatboks
I still havent seen anything that answers my question.
unless we're treating Superman like a comolete idiot there is now way he wont see or detect Consantine with his senses and because he knows what he is capable of prevent him from saying a word.

Does anyone here doubt that Supes can move fast en I ugh to take John out before he speaks. I'm not talking about how mm often he uses it in story for plot, but capability. Does anyine question that he was nows what john is capable of? The answer to both is yes. Therefore without prep John cant take a majority, its that simple.

Con John is a favorite character of mine from Vertigo, I'm the first to admit the Nu52 powered up version shits me more than a little because it wasnt necessary, but there is no way he can beat Supes in an impromptu encounter because of senses and speed. With prep, another story.

Another thing to take into account, is that APPARENTLY, John has already been prepping for most threats (like a magical Batman)...so whilst he may not have specifically preppped for this fight (as OP says), he at least has some kind of plan:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123610/3338033-new+52-+contingency+plan.jpg

As for ending things with a word:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3153917-let+go.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3153918-let+go2.jpg


But yes, IF Superman speedblitzes off the bat, he wins. IF Constantine gets to say a word, he wins.

Am repeating Galan, obviously, but people are not focussing on 'IF' being the operative word here....

Let say John is able to gets off one word... What would one word do to Superman?

What would one word do that some say it give John the win?

Being magic, anything you want it to do.