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Who wins? Fight takes place in the fields of Naboo.

...Weak minds make this Vitiate's game.

Did you just imply Revan, who has the greatest telepathic and Force defense in the entire mythos, has a weak mind?

The duo take this imo. Revan, Meetra, and Scourge would have given Vitiate the fight of his life. Throwing Revan the chosen one as backup gives him the solid advantage.

The team

Revans force defense and their combined telekinetic feats outstrip Vitiates.

By weak minds, I mean 'Vitiate mindrapes Anakin, and sends him after Revan'

Vitiate gains two new servants.

Didn't Vitty technically destroy Revans mind? Eh regardless I'm with the post above. Good fight though.

Vitiate has never mind controlled anyone on Anakin's level. The best he's done is corrupt Revan and Malak who were already half way there after the atrocities committed at Malachor V, the dark side temples they'd investigated, and them being on a goddamned dark side nexus.

Here's the question you have to ask:

Is RotS Anakin stronger than level 37 HoT (Act II basically)?

If yes, then team stomps. Why? Well, when you talk to Revan after the Maelstrom quest as a Jedi Knight, he says something like "if I had you backing me up, things might have gone differently." You can reply with "well let's go take down the emperor right now" but Revan opts for the easier path of using the foundry.

So I say team. Vitiate trying to mindcrush Anakin might just turn him into Zonakin, which is basically game over.

And even if it's not Zonakin, Revan just needs to tank a few lightning blasts and let Anakin get within striking distance.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Here's the question you have to ask:

Is RotS Anakin stronger than level 37 HoT (Act II basically)?

If yes, then team stomps. Why? Well, when you talk to Revan after the Maelstrom quest as a Jedi Knight, he says something like "if I had you backing me up, things might have gone differently." You can reply with "well let's go take down the emperor right now" but Revan opts for the easier path of using the foundry.

Wait seriously? That's awesome!

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Wait seriously? That's awesome!

Yeah it was a pretty cool little exchange and I probably would have missed it if I didn't go back and re-do flashpoints I missed out on while soloing my way to 50. I think you only get the convo if you do the flashpoint via the intro quest, as it makes you talk to Revan back on the Republic Fleet after you rescue him.

Now, I'm assuming Bioware wasn't lazy here and that Revan says something unique to each class. I can't imagine him fawning over the power of a random smuggler or trooper

Originally posted by Angelalex242
By weak minds, I mean 'Vitiate mindrapes Anakin, and sends him after Revan'

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate has never mind controlled anyone on Anakin's level. The best he's done is corrupt Revan and Malak who were already half way there after the atrocities committed at Malachor V, the dark side temples they'd investigated, and them being on a goddamned dark side nexus.

Oh and RotS Anakin was sooooooo much further away from the darkside than Revan and Malak, right? It took so much effort to turn that guy. Minds a ****ing fortress. >:]

That Revan was able to resist Malachor already proves that he has a stronger mind that Spazwalker. Vitiate didn't just corrupt them, he domin8ed their minds as well. So no way is Anakin stronger than Revan and Malak combined. Remember that Vitiate got even stronger after the book too. At the very best it'll require some actual effort for him to break him, unlike Revan and Malak, but I highly doubt it.

Vitiate: Hey, Anakin, kill that guy and I'll save Padme for you with my nifty magic!

Revan: Ohshi...

Anakin: You can do that?

Vitiate: Sure. Might take a couple hours to ritual up, but I can totally do that.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Vitiate: Hey, Anakin, kill that guy and I'll save Padme for you with my nifty magic!

Revan: Ohshi...
LOL I can see that happening

Weeeeell, I don't actually know how to save her but maybe one day we can...... Look just trust me, does this look like the face of a bad guy?

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Yeah it was a pretty cool little exchange and I probably would have missed it if I didn't go back and re-do flashpoints I missed out on while soloing my way to 50. I think you only get the convo if you do the flashpoint via the intro quest, as it makes you talk to Revan back on the Republic Fleet after you rescue him.

Now, I'm assuming Bioware wasn't lazy here and that Revan says something unique to each class. I can't imagine him fawning over the power of a random smuggler or trooper

Those conversations happen with one of each advanced class.

So Barsen'Thor, HOT, a SpecForce soldier who solos armies and a smuggler would make a difference. Not just HOT.

I've never seen him say that to anyone but the Knight. For every class he says something different. For the Knight it's:

"My only consolation is that the Jedi still produce great warriors. Wish I'd had you by my side when I faced the Emperor."

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've never seen him say that to anyone but the Knight. For every class he says something different. For the Knight it's:

"My only consolation is that the Jedi still produce great warriors. Wish I'd had you by my side when I faced the Emperor."

Oh right. That's hardly him saying the HOT was better than the company he had though, or that he could have won with just the HOT.

Obviously a good accolade, but the notion Revan+HOT(2) would beat Vitiate based on that statement is flawed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh and RotS Anakin was sooooooo much further away from the darkside than Revan and Malak, right? It took so much effort to turn that guy. Minds a ****ing fortress. >:]

Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.



Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.
So? Emperor's powers do not work in neutral settings?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.
Sidious did not possess telepathic abilities like that of Emperor during the PT era.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.

Murdering children (on more than one occasion) >>>>> Murdering child murderers. The fact is that Revan needed to be forcibly turned evil while Anakin just needed an excuse. Regardless, both of them are teetering on the edge of the darkside, it doesn't matter who was closer.

Vitiate is stronger than he was when he turned Revan and Malak and as I pointed out, theres two of them versus just one psycho.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.

Whereas Vitiate will literally be inside Anakin's head. Vitiate's powers of corruption are said to be capable of dominating the strongest of Jedi and while you can suggest that Anakin is TOO STRONK all you want, he's also a complete lunatic and on the edge of darkness already. Revan showed that he was highly resistant to corruption previously, whereas Anakin has repeatedly given into his rage and hate and has terrible self-control. It only took a push from Sidious, a shove from Vitiate will obviously be sufficient.

Revan and Malak were already masters of the dark side by the time Vitiate "corrupted them".
Even by SWTOR accounts, they describe Revan being on the brink of becoming a Sith Lord anyway.
I cover this in my Darth Revan blog here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/the-power-of-darth-revan-overview/103361/.

YOURE NOT HELPING ANT. awestun

LOL

Originally posted by Nephthys
YOURE NOT HELPING ANT. awestun
Sorry babe. If it makes you feel better - here:

Darth Malak was seemingly not that corrupted by the time Vitiate converted him to his cause - unlike Revan. Very few accounts point to Malak truly embracing the dark side as much as Revan, like when they first come across Dantooine's Star Map. It can be debated Revan corrupted him upon releasing Malachor V's energies upon his fleets, but no source specifically points to his corruption at this state to a degree of other Jedi present. The point of all this is Darth Malak later goes on to have two immensely insane mental resistance feats that outstrips anything Anakin ever did. First we got him and Revan walking on Nathema, which creates a sensation of discorporating even powerful Jedi into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter across the entire surface of Nathema, for days or maybe even weeks. Then we got Darth Malak resisting the power of the Star Forge, a feat only Revan could do in its thousands of years of creation. The ancient Rakata, who were masters of the Force, failed to resist its dark energies, as did the ancient Sith Lords like Ajunta Pall. It was said only one who is "immensely strong in mind" can resist the Star Forge without having "them be devoured, their life drained from them as they attempt to tap into its power." Yet despite all this, Vitiate corrupted him pretty quickly. Cool stuff, amiright? (;

Yes this pleases me. I will hold off. On killing you Ant-slave.

Pft, I'll dismantle your argument if you piss me off. Don't forget that.

I did that out of generosity and Malak hype, not for your satisfaction.

http://r30.imgfast.net/users/3013/11/32/39/smiles/2599676501.gif

Oh and I been waiting for the opportunity for a while now to resurrect the fact Ajunta Pall and friends were corrupted by the Star Forge.

What does Pall have to do with anything?

Him and the other ancient Sith were hyped to be immensely powerful - yet greatly inferior to Malak's mental resistance - in which Anakin's is inferior too.

When did they find the Star Forge?

"It... we were not the first to fall to the dark side. But we... had more power than those before us. It... came from elsewhere... Our oldest secret. Only... only we would know, we lords. Only we would know where our power came from... The Force bristles in you... you must find this place with it... Or... have you? Or did you? Or... will you? Oh, so... many images... I... see your heart, human Jedi. I see your power, your pride. So much power. It's blinding... You... you will find the old place, the dark place... and you will regret it."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan and Malak were already masters of the dark side by the time Vitiate "corrupted them".
Even by SWTOR accounts, they describe Revan being on the brink of becoming a Sith Lord anyway.
I cover this in my Darth Revan blog here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/the-power-of-darth-revan-overview/103361/.

Concession accepted Neph

Also you did not just ****ing say that Anakin killing a single sand people village is equivalent to Revan destroying an entire goddamned planet?

His argument may (well, were) have been false for Revan - but his reasoning for Malak stands strong in proud (as I did my little post on).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His argument may (well, were) have been false for Revan - but his reasoning for Malak stands strong in proud (as I did my little post on).

Please. Malak was absolute trash at that point. Didn't he lose to a non-force sensitive in the KOTOR comic series? He does not even remotely compare to Anakin in terms of skill or power. Not to mention he's not the most strong willed of individuals until he becomes DLOTS

He lost to Mandalore - the most powerful Mandalorian of the time - before he even became Malak.
Malak's Nathema feat was before Vitiate's corruption, and his Star Forge feat would have began shortly after.

Anakin vs Vitiate is the worst matchup ever. Unless Revan has time to teach Ani how to resist the TP attacks of Vitiate, the team loses.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Whereas Vitiate will literally be inside Anakin's head. Vitiate's powers of corruption are said to be capable of dominating the strongest of Jedi and while you can suggest that Anakin is TOO STRONK all you want, he's also a complete lunatic and on the edge of darkness already. Revan showed that he was highly resistant to corruption previously, whereas Anakin has repeatedly given into his rage and hate and has terrible self-control. It only took a push from Sidious, a shove from Vitiate will obviously be sufficient.

Vitiate cannot infiltrate anyone's mind at any point. Scourge lied to his face several times in the Revan novel and lied to him for 300 years even after a ritual in which the Emperor touched his mind. He cannot lol mind control/ lol mind read anyone. So get this no limits fallacy bullshit out of here.

Additionally Revan needs only put Vitiate on his ass in order to stop the mind domination. Do you think Scourge is harder to dominate than Anakin?

I seriously doubt Vitiate would struggle to dominate RotS Anakin's mind.

The asteroid in ANH that C3 "The Professor" P0 brilliantly points out to be 'not entirely unstable' is more ****ing stable than Anakin's mind in RotS.

Vitiate dominates his mind and then orders his new minion to kill Revan.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I seriously doubt Vitiate would struggle to dominate RotS Anakin's mind.

The asteroid in ANH that C3 "The Professor" P0 brilliantly points out to be 'not entirely unstable' is more ****ing stable than Anakin's mind in RotS.

Vitiate dominates his mind and then orders his new minion to kill Revan.

Revan puts Vitiate on his ass before he can do that to Scourge or Meetra though. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/erm.gif

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Revan puts Vitiate on his ass before he can do that to Scourge or Meetra though. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/erm.gif

Depends on separation and readiness. How far apart do they stand at the beginning of the fight and do they know what they're up against?

Does he? I don't clearly remember that part from the book.

Well, Scourge and Meetra weren't in the room. Revan did it while Vitiate was trying to dominate his mind.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Depends on separation and readiness. How far apart do they stand at the beginning of the fight and do they know what they're up against?

Does he? I don't clearly remember that part from the book.

As I remember it Vitiate tries to mind**** Revan and he does what amounts to a glorified force push.

"As Meetra and Scourge battled the Guard, Revan charged toward the Emperor. His opponent stood perfectly still, focusing and channeling his power. At the last possible instant, the Emperor unleashed a wave of energy that swept Revan off his feet and sent him flying backward.

Revan twisted in midair so that he was able to roll with the impact when he landed. He quickly sprang back to his feet and advanced again, moving more slowly this time. The Emperor stood in the exact same position as before; it was as if he hadn't even moved. Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready.

Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.

There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan's mind, was sent flying backward.

He landed in a heap on the floor and Revan raced toward him. The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt if dark side lightning at his enemy.

Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks.

The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession. Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.

It struck the Emperor in its chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor. For the first time the Sith's emotionless veneer cracked as he let out a primal hiss of hate.The sound sent shivers down Revan's spine."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

That proves Vitiate wasn't even trying to dominate Scourge's or Meetra's mind.

Vitiate mind****ed Scourge earlier in the book with a mere telepathic brush.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
That proves Vitiate wasn't even trying to dominate Scourge's or Meetra's mind.

There are visions Scourge has with Vitiate dead at their feet. Do you seriously think Vitiate never once would try and mind **** them?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate mind****ed Scourge earlier in the book with a mere telepathic brush.

And yet could not read the obvious treason he was hatching...for 300 years.

Troll mode activate:
+Qui-Gon would never let Anakin get mind ****ed and he's >>>>Master Orgus excellent

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And yet could not read the obvious treason he was hatching...for 300 years.

That's a different Force power all together, though.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
There are visions Scourge has with Vitiate dead at their feet. Do you seriously think Vitiate never once would try and mind **** them?



And yet could not read the obvious treason he was hatching...for 300 years.

Those visions don't mean much tho. They don't tell us what (could've) happened during the actual fight.

Considering Revan faced and survived Vitiate's greatest attack, a victory for the team was possible - definitely.

It's too bad this isn't Revan Vitiate then tbh

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's a different Force power all together, though.

They seem pretty directly correlated.



They tell us Vitiate didn't have the chance to use it. Its pretty clear using that ability leaves him open to attack. Revan won't give him the chance.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Considering Revan faced and survived Vitiate's greatest attack, a victory for the team was possible - definitely.

True. I'm just saying we can't possibly know the circumstances of that would-be fight. We can't know if Vitiate would've used his mental domination powers on Scourge and Meetra, or if he wouldn't have enough time to do so during the fight, etc.

But yes, I'd agree that the three of them would've been able to defeat him. Too bad Scourge had to **** things up and stab Meetra.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
They seem pretty directly correlated.
Both are under the umberalla of Telepathy, but reading minds is more like Drain Knowledge versus mind-****ing is generally Mind Trick (aka Force Fear, Mind Control, Dominate Mind, Force Illusions, Force Persuasion, Affect Mind, and Alter Mind).

Originally posted by Lord Stark
They seem pretty directly correlated.



They tell us Vitiate didn't have the chance to use it. Its pretty clear using that ability leaves him open to attack. Revan won't give him the chance.

Yes, but that's why I said the separation and readiness matter in this one. If they're significantly apart and Vitiate knows what's up, he could dominate Anakin's mind before Revan has the chance to act.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
True. I'm just saying we can't possibly know the circumstances of that would-be fight. We can't know if Vitiate would've used his mental domination powers on Scourge and Meetra, or if he wouldn't have enough time to do so during the fight, etc.

But yes, I'd agree that the three of the would've been able to defeat him. Too bad Scourge had to **** things up and stab Meetra.

My point is that if Meetra Scourge and Revan wouldn't give him the chance to use the ability, why would Revan and Anakin. That being said I do concede that if Vitiate gets the chance to use it Anakin falls to it.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
My point is that if Meetra Scourge and Revan wouldn't give him the chance to use the ability, why would Revan and Anakin. That being said I do concede that if Vitiate gets the chance to use it Anakin falls to it.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yes, but that's why I said the separation and readiness matter in this one. If they're significantly apart and Vitiate knows what's up, he could dominate Anakin's mind before Revan has the chance to act.

Originally posted by Nephthys
YOURE NOT HELPING ANT. awestun
He is a traitor amongst our ranks.

I'm a KotOR fan, not really a SWTOR fan.
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Final thought before I leave: Now thinking about it, I think Vitiate didn't read Scourge's mind on purpose. Revan noted that when Vitiate looked in his mind, he was able to look back in Vitiate's and see his terribleness and evilness. I doubt Vitiate would want to comprise Scourge's loyalty by him "discovering" what he planned for the galaxy - total annihilation.

I'm out though, night!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sorry babe. If it makes you feel better - here:

Darth Malak was seemingly not that corrupted by the time Vitiate converted him to his cause - unlike Revan. Very few accounts point to Malak truly embracing the dark side as much as Revan, like when they first come across Dantooine's Star Map. It can be debated Revan corrupted him upon releasing Malachor V's energies upon his fleets, but no source specifically points to his corruption at this state to a degree of other Jedi present. The point of all this is Darth Malak later goes on to have two immensely insane mental resistance feats that outstrips anything Anakin ever did. First we got him and Revan walking on Nathema, which creates a sensation of discorporating even powerful Jedi into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter across the entire surface of Nathema, for days or maybe even weeks. Then we got Darth Malak resisting the power of the Star Forge, a feat only Revan could do in its thousands of years of creation. The ancient Rakata, who were masters of the Force, failed to resist its dark energies, as did the ancient Sith Lords like Ajunta Pall. It was said only one who is "immensely strong in mind" can resist the Star Forge without having "them be devoured, their life drained from them as they attempt to tap into its power." Yet despite all this, Vitiate corrupted him pretty quickly. Cool stuff, amiright? (;
This matter have been addressed long ago in a galaxy far far away:

Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.

From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Vitiate broke both Revan and Malak with barely an effort.

Considering Revan was already broke and wielded "tremendous dark side power" from the Mandalorian Wars, not really impressive.

Breaking Malak is highly impressive though.

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh right. That's hardly him saying the HOT was better than the company he had though, or that he could have won with just the HOT.

Obviously a good accolade, but the notion Revan+HOT(2) would beat Vitiate based on that statement is flawed.

Probably. But if you want to over-analyze, Revan did say that he'd have loved to have the JK "by his side," not "providing backup" like what Surik and Scourge were doing.

So that sort of implies that HoT (2) would have been closer to Revan Reborn in power than Exile or Scourge at that time. Which makes sense considering her feats.

And remember we are talking about SOR Revan here and not Revan Reborn, the former of which has the edge on the latter I'd think.

So if HoT (2) is stronger than Exile or Scourge, it's not out of the question that SOR Revan w/ HoT (2), or Anakin for that matter, would be able to take down Vitiate. HoT(2) would just need Revan's help to block the mental domination that did her in during Act II.

I'm pretty sure Revan meant that he'd want HoT alongside himself with Meetra and Scourge, (well, maybe not Scourge since he was a traitor.) So basically it would have been Revan + Meetra + HoT (2) + potentially Scourge versus Vitiate. And while this is SOR Revan, this is also 3.0 Vitiate, who is universally noted to be far and away above SOR Revan.

I wonder how is Vitiate going to die. I really hope they don't turn his death into a ****ing Flashpoint like they originally did with Revan and Malgus. It's stupid, a bad ending, and it just makes it all the more confusing when attempting to analyse or debate his skills and powers.

Lmfao, it will probably be like how they finished SOR Revan.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I wonder how is Vitiate going to die. I really hope they don't turn his death into a ****ing Flashpoint like they originally did with Revan and Malgus. It's stupid, a bad ending, and it just makes it all the more confusing when attempting to analyse or debate his skills and powers.

In terms of skill/power ending them in a flashpoint actually makes sense. There are four classes per side so canonically, each flashpoint is completed by HoT/Barsen/Smugs/BH and their analogues on the Sith side.

That's a formidable team who could most definitely pose a threat to weakened Revan by the end of their respective Act IIs, or old Malgus at the ends of their class stories.

As for Vitiate, he's like Bioware's Sargeras, if ya'll get the WoW reference. They'll keep teasing him for as long as the game survives, then will release his operation or flashpoint in the last expansion to get one final boost in sales.

Until then, we still need to deal with Revan Reborn 2.0 (face it he'll become a raid boss, he's like Bioware's Arthas/Lich King), and all of the Empire/Republic leaders who will undoubtedly become raid bosses themselves at one point XD

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm pretty sure Revan meant that he'd want HoT alongside himself with Meetra and Scourge, (well, maybe not Scourge since he was a traitor.) So basically it would have been Revan + Meetra + HoT (2) + potentially Scourge versus Vitiate. And while this is SOR Revan, this is also 3.0 Vitiate, who is universally noted to be far and away above SOR Revan.

You're probably right, I just like speculating.

What Revan needs is a power boost, which I think he got when his two souls re-combined. Now, hopefully, he'll do some training and find a way to counter Vitiate.

Then, whenever we face Vitiate, he'll join the operation or flashpoint and tank all of the Emperor's deadliest attacks while we whittle down his HP as best we can.

Revan's dead, bro.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's dead, bro.

There must always be...a Revan.

Vitiate.

bump

Vitiate, still stronger then both of them conbined

Anakin solostomps

Originally posted by Azronger
Anakin solostomps Nope, not even close.

Vitiate would fling him around easier then Revan.

Duo

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Vitiate, still stronger then both of them conbined SoR Revan = Book Vitiate.

I am talking about Valkorion.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I am talking about Valkorion.
Ziost is only arguably 20-25% of Valkorions power, if you take into account Nathema>>>>Ziost, on top of 900 years of growth.