Top 5 Heralds period

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Magic Joe
Present your list as to what your top 5 Heralds are. From best to worst.

Here's a mock list.

1. Surfer

2. Thor

3. Superman

4. G.L. ( insert name)

5. Whatever

Sin I AM
Cosmic Spider-Man
bizarro
Rulk
Brother Vodoo
Zatanna

Mindset
Hulk
WB Hulk
Bannerless Hulk
Huc
Carver Hulk Prime
Savage Hulk

carver9
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk
WB Hulk
Bannerless Hulk
Huc
Carver Hulk Prime
Savage Hulk

Happy Dance

This.

Supermex
Is Dr.Strange currently considers a herald?

Good thread.. I think it will take a little time to come up this a solid top 5 ..

Surfer
Superman
Thor

Are all in I believe next I'll wait on.

Prospects so far Wonder Woman, G.L, Dr.Strange, Hulk

Mindset
Honorable mention: Carver in Hulk pajamas.

Prof. T.C McAbe
1. Superman
2. Thor
3. MM
4. Hal
5. Silver Surfer

carver9
Thor
Surfer
Hulk
Sentry (not DS)
Captain Atom

Supermex
Originally posted by Mindset
Honorable mention: Carver in Hulk pajamas.


lol the hulk shirt only goes down to his belly button

Supermex
My early mock draft


1. Silver Surfer
2. Thor
3. Superman
4. M.Manhunter
5. Hulk

Only reason I have Thor above Superman is cus Thor has more options and B.F.R capabilities

Golgo13
1. Superman
2. Thor
3. Surfer
4. Alan Scott
5. Dr. Fate

Insane Titan
Lol @ Carvers list not even having Superman in his top 5

Supermex
Originally posted by Golgo13
1. Superman
2. Thor
3. Surfer
4. Alan Scott
5. Dr. Fate




Scott, Fate might be above H.Herald..
My reason for not ranking Dr.Strange on my list.

Maybe we can get a judgment as to what level they are currently.

Golgo13
I also forgot Orion. Thor and Orion are damn near equals in general.

Golgo13
Another one is Captain Marvel and Black Adam. DC has too many that are roughly in the same areas.

"Id"
Thor
Silver Surfer
Shaman X-Man
Dr Strange
Superman

Supermex
Originally posted by Golgo13
Another one is Captain Marvel and Black Adam. DC has too many that are roughly in the same areas.



They do. So does Marvel with Blue Marvel, Hyperion, B.R. Bills, Glads, Black Bolt and HH lvl Sentry and so on to go along with the guys you just mentioned..

Hard to place them all with only 5 slots

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk
WB Hulk
Bannerless Hulk
Huc
Carver Hulk Prime
Savage Hulk

No DOOM or Rand?

Supermex
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No DOOM or Rand?




lol you have Carver Hulk Prime to low

And I can't believe KMC version of Superman didn't get on the list.

This list is BS smile

Golgo13
Originally posted by Supermex
They do. So does Marvel with Blue Marvel, Hyperion, B.R. Bills, Glads, Black Bolt and HH lvl Sentry and so on to go along with the guys you just mentioned..

Hard to place them all with only 5 slots

But then you have Flash (Wally and Barry), Captain Atom, The Ray, Weird, Waverider, Adam, Josiah Power, OMAC, Firestorm, etc... All around the same ballpark and better in some ways. Hard to call.

Supermex
Originally posted by Golgo13
But then you have Flash (Wally and Barry), Captain Atom, The Ray, Weird, Waverider, Adam, Josiah Power, OMAC, Firestorm, etc... All around the same ballpark and better in some ways. Hard to call.



Dam its crazy I see what you mean!! Guys like Warlock, Spectrum, Star-brand, Captain Universe, Juggs and Quasar like you said all around the same ballpark and better in somways. Yup hard to call.

And only 5 slots to fill!!!

Star428
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol @ Carvers list not even having Superman in his top 5


It's Carver. What do you expect?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol @ Carvers list not even having Superman in his top 5 It is his list. Quit whining.

playa1258
1.Superman
2.Thor
3.Silver Surfer
4.Wonder Woman
5.Hulk

Nibedicus
Surfer
Superman
Thor
Hulk
WW

abhilegend
Superman
Thor
Surfer
Hulk
WW

Branlor Swift
Destroyer
Silver Surfer
Morg
Stardust
Firelord

Fallen One is hard to place. They should have kept him around and had him fight someone else. Though judging by him actually being able to blister Galactus, he's probably raw power wise above Surfer.

abhilegend
Galactus was damn near dead at that point though.

Magic Joe
Got a couple of PM's with the same question concerning this thread.

Question was : Is this our favorite heralds?

Answer: Its who you think the 5 best heralds are in order from best to worst.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Galactus was damn near dead at that point though. He was recuperating for a while. Maybe somewhere around the level he was in The Devourer. He's supposed to be linked to infinite energy too. Would make sense for him to be higher in output than Surfer.

I don't know though. He had nothing to really go off of besides that. Though his durability didn't seem too great. Plus destroying Sanctuary like that is no joke.

He seemed like something Firelord durability and above Surfer level output.

abhilegend
I'd peg him around Godhunter level. Because it was explicitly stated that Fallen could never harm him before and at that point could kill him.

Meh, surfer has been said to wield nigh infinite power too.

I don't think his power output was above surfer. But yeah, he was crazy powerful.

Mindset
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No DOOM or Rand? They are above heralds.

Don't ever insult them like that again.

Digi
In some order:

Classic Strange
Superman
Thor
Surfer
Take your pick for #5. Mine would likely be from among Zoom, Swamp Thing, GL Alan (if we're still making the distinction between GL and Sentinel for him) or Hal.

I was always a bit lower on Superman than Thor/Surfer, but it was largely because he was the riskier tourney pick due to weakness exploitation. In a random encounter or forum match, he's probably a sliver above them both.

I might be able to cherry-pick a version of Hulk that I could justify in the last slot. But WBH is too high, and most other versions are just too much of a one-trick pony for me to feel ok about it (even if it's a really good trick).

abhilegend
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks.

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks.

Might have something to do with power source, no? Like trying to attack Banner with gamma radiation.

psycho gundam
Dylon
Dylon
Dylon
Dylon
Dylon

Golgo13
Forgot about swamp thing.

Squirtle
1 Surfer
2 Thor
3 Superman
4 Wonder Woman
5 Hulk (NÂș1 in raw physical power, though)

Balancing raw power, potential and versatility.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Digi
Might have something to do with power source, no? Like trying to attack Banner with gamma radiation.
Nah, if that'd be a reason Tyrant or Fallen One wouldn't have been able to harm him.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, if that'd be a reason Tyrant or Fallen One wouldn't have been able to harm him.

Iirc fallen one had a different power source not linked to PC

Back to topic, Thor, Clark and SS will always be top three, everyone else is interchangeable

-Pr-
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thor, Clark and SS will always be top three, everyone else is interchangeable

Basically.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks. Pretty much just Thor can. With some questional showings behind him.

Beta with everything he had made a small crack in his armor. He was weakened more than normal in Cataclysm when he got knocked back while getting sucked off by a hole in space by Ult Thor. And the Dr Strange fight was complete horseshit, though still ultimately nothing. And Alpha Flight but the dimension screwed up Galactus's powers in addition to hunger. And Fallen One.

That's about it off the top of my head who have "effected" him. Though even The Devourer Galactus was tanking teams including Thor.

The only time he's ever been damaged by one when not hungry was by Thor when he pretty much knocked himself out while Galactus was tping Odin.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Pretty much just Thor can. With some questional showings behind him.

Beta with everything he had made a small crack in his armor. He was weakened more than normal in Cataclysm when he got knocked back while getting sucked off by a hole in space by Ult Thor. And the Dr Strange fight was complete horseshit, though still ultimately nothing. And Alpha Flight but the dimension screwed up Galactus's powers in addition to hunger. And Fallen One.

That's about it off the top of my head who have "effected" him. Though even The Devourer Galactus was tanking teams including Thor.

The only time he's ever been damaged by one when not hungry was by Thor when he pretty much knocked himself out while Galactus was tping Odin.
You pretty much named every top tier Galactus has fought. Only surfer has been totally ineffective against him out of those. Even Quasar did better than him in FF.

Which other top tier has attacked Galactus and didn't do anything to him? Even Rulk with Surfer's powers got oneshotted by a hungry Galactus.

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, if that'd be a reason Tyrant or Fallen One wouldn't have been able to harm him.

Fair enough. It's a bit of a nit-picky thing to talk up though, isn't it? I mean, Galactus no-selling something isn't exactly a low showing for literally any herald. Yeah, it's happened where he's felt a blast or somesuch. But we're still talking about a guy who's only half a notch under the big-time abstracts. Everyone listed in this thread - Surfer included - has far worse showings if we want to compare embarrassing notes.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Digi
Fair enough. It's a bit of a nit-picky thing to talk up though, isn't it? I mean, Galactus no-selling something isn't exactly a low showing for literally any herald. Yeah, it's happened where he's felt a blast or somesuch. But we're still talking about a guy who's only half a notch under the big-time abstracts. Everyone listed in this thread - Surfer included - has far worse showings if we want to compare embarrassing notes.
I don't think it's a low showing for surfer. It's a little strange though.

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks.

That's because Surfer is and will always hold back against G .. 😅

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think it's a low showing for surfer. It's a little strange though.

Agreed on the former. On the latter, look at all those feats that were listed a bit earlier. The Thor one is from ages ago (and slightly amped, iirc). And each one is from a different book with different writers, many in different eras. Now add to that the master/servant relationship between G and Surfer, and I'd be shocked if any writer had the audacity to write it any other way. It's a narrative thing. Showing Big G getting got (briefly) by some big gun in their own book is one thing. Showing him getting rocked by the character they created specifically as his inferior....well, power levels are fluid in comics, but Marvel has at least that much sense.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
You pretty much named every top tier Galactus has fought. Only surfer has been totally ineffective against him out of those. Even Quasar did better than him in FF.

Which other top tier has attacked Galactus and didn't do anything to him? Even Rulk with Surfer's powers got oneshotted by a hungry Galactus. People he has completely tanked are the Avengers including Thor multiple times, Gladiator with the Avengers, Beta Ray Bill if you don't count cosmetic damage to his armor, Terrax when he wasn't a pussy, Skaar with everything he had, Hiro Kala at his max, Phoenix one shotted Nova by throwing her into Galactus and it did no damage, High Evolutionary, the entirety of Impossible Man's omniversal disturbing world, everything the Skrulls could throw at him, the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, he sat there and watched Thor Iron Man and Torch hit him in the face during Secret War without batting an eye, all of the Ultimates and pretty much every weapon they had, Surfer throwing a moon at him with a cheapshot that completely destroyed the moon, etc.
All while hungry.

Edit: Ultron too.

Quasar made Galactus turn around and work on his converter because he was so disinterested. Quasar did absolutely nothing to Galactus and got tossed away like trash.

Also out of everyone besides Thor and the Alpha Flight scenario where his powers didn't work, Surfer did the best against Galactus in their initial appearances.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is his list. Quit whining. its my option , stop needing my attention.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
That's because Surfer is and will always hold back against G .. 😅
Not always. Just recently he went all out and didn't even made him blink.Originally posted by Digi
Agreed on the former. On the latter, look at all those feats that were listed a bit earlier. The Thor one is from ages ago (and slightly amped, iirc). And each one is from a different book with different writers, many in different eras. Now add to that the master/servant relationship between G and Surfer, and I'd be shocked if any writer had the audacity to write it any other way. It's a narrative thing. Showing Big G getting got (briefly) by some big gun in their own book is one thing. Showing him getting rocked by the character they created specifically as his inferior....well, power levels are fluid in comics, but Marvel has at least that much sense.
Thor hurt him with a bullrush in Fraction's run too. But even underdogs can sometime hurt people much powerful than themselves.

Or we can always say Thor is more powerful than Surfer.

ha-som

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
People he has completely tanked are the Avengers including Thor multiple times, Gladiator with the Avengers, Beta Ray Bill if you don't count cosmetic damage to his armor, Terrax when he wasn't a pussy, Skaar with everything he had, Hiro Kala at his max, Phoenix one shotted Nova by throwing her into Galactus and it did no damage, High Evolutionary, the entirety of Impossible Man's omniversal disturbing world, everything the Skrulls could throw at him, the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, he sat there and watched Thor Iron Man and Torch hit him in the face during Secret War without batting an eye, all of the Ultimates and pretty much every weapon they had, Surfer throwing a moon at him with a cheapshot that completely destroyed the moon, etc.
All while hungry. I can only recall Thor unable to harm him in Devourer but he had absorbed the power from his ship there and Gladiator never directly attacked him there. Skaar/Terrax/Hiro Kala are huge pussies though. Phoenix KOing the weakest herald throwing at him doesn't means much. Spider Man and Secret Wars isn't actually canon AFAIK. Evolutionary was teleported to Negative Zone by Galactus and Galactus actually admitted that if Evolutionary's attack him, it might have devolved him.

Yeah, that was good. I'll give you that.

Really? I recall it differently.

http://i.imgur.com/0uhhRMH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsId4Xb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYTyBYQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bemdoSE.jpg

That's better than Surfer has ever done, holding off Galactus for several pages.

Even in FF 50, Surfer did nothing against Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/Gx7RoQ8.jpg

Mind you, under the same writer Thor managed to hurt Galactus just fine.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
I can only recall Thor unable to harm him in Devourer but he had absorbed the power from his ship there and Gladiator never directly attacked him there. Thor fought him more than once in that series. Wasn't shown to do anything to him. As well as the entire point of that story was that Galactus was feeding on basically nothing, and he was in a permanent state of hunger. He drained the ship because he was so drained already and it was a waste of energy had he not. Nowhere did it state it actually replenished him to a sizeable degree. He pretty much did the same thing during the Terrax fiasco and he was still heavily weakened.

Really, you're going to take issue with Gladiator not doing anything to Galactus in your crusade against Surfer? Galactus tanking moons, and planets is ok, but not Gladiator?
I am fully aware of the artist error here too:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-24.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-26.jpg.html


If we're arguing a stumble is damaging, then we might as well argue this is as well:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_13.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_14.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_15.jpg.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
Skaar caused immense damage to WWH.
Terrax lifted the entire island of Manhattan into outer space effortlessly in that same arc. And hit Galactus with pretty much the same attack he destroyed a planet with.
Didn't Hiro pull a planet out of the Microverse and steer it into Earth?

But fine, weakened Galactus tanked Queen Caiera who was above Surfer in that arc, which I know you've used to try and downplay him before. As well as Skaar with Surfer's power cosmic. That better?
There's also a good chance Galactus was weakened against Sphinx considering he did it to immediately eat the planet, and he pretty much laughed off everything Sphinx did. Especially the first attack.

She threw Nova with pretty much everything she had, and she hit hard enough to get ko'ed by a throw.

Prove Spider Man and the Secret Wars isn't canon. And I don't mean with opinions, I mean a statement that explicitly says it isn't.

Looks like a hit to me. Though I fail to see how the evolving is relevant since your entire point is herald level attacks hurt Galactus. I'm talking blasts, not random shit. If that were the case, that opens up shit like Galactus tanking dimensional teleporters, black matter, and other such.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/High%20Evolutionary/ffgalactus4zu2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? I recall it differently.

http://i.imgur.com/0uhhRMH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsId4Xb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYTyBYQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bemdoSE.jpg

That's better than Surfer has ever done, holding off Galactus for several pages. That's pretty much two consecutive fights. It took 2 pages of talking for Quasar to go back and shield the eyeblasts after Galactus started ignoring him. Not to mention that's also like Quasar's highest shielding feat, and he would have been dead or at least KO'ed after Galactus knocked him back had he pursued it.

But regardless, your point was that every top tier besides Surfer has damaged him. Quasar shielding himself isn't the same as doing good.

Anyway, this is at least on par, or exceeds it.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0002.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0003.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0005.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0006.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0011.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0012.jpg

All both were were varying degrees of nothing. Temporary shielding of eyeblasts vs temporary trapping of Galactus.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even in FF 50, Surfer did nothing against Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/Gx7RoQ8.jpg

Mind you, under the same writer Thor managed to hurt Galactus just fine.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg Like I said, pretty much Thor is the only thing on that level that has caused him damage. Not sure what the point of posting the scan was if you were actually reading what I wrote.

Surfer not being able to damage him is how it should be. Same with all the other beings. Thor shouldn't be able to either, but it is what it is. You trying to take away all the other things he's tanked still doesn't change the facts. Only Thor and a context heavy battle between Alpha Flight/Avengers have really injured him when he's hungry. On that level anyway.

When shit like this exists, why should Surfer be able to do anything:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p20.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p21.jpg.html

Branlor Swift
And Fallen One I guess but his power is a big question mark. Though with your argument right now, you'd think you'd freely accept him being more powerful than Surfer, especially when he has so few "low showings" to disregard it.

Not sure what your game is here.

Prof. T.C McAbe
How many fights did Surfer had with Thor and how many did ge win?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thor fought him more than once in that series. Wasn't shown to do anything to him. Like I said, its his best showing against Thor while hungry. He was still more powerful than he was in FF 242 or 243 where Thor knocked him for a loop. In Devourer, nobody was able to harm him. Your point is?

Crusade against surfer? Gladiator didn't even attacked Galactus directly. Who said its not okay? I think no top tier should be able to harm Galactus, but that's not comics have shown us on average.
That Gladiator was just flying around Galactus doing nothing? Yeah, that's some atrocious art. But what can you do?


Where surfer unloads fully on Galactus to the point he koes himself by hitting a wall while Galactus is fully unscathed? Great showing there for soarin' norrin!!!

While amped on kinetic energy by Hulk's footsteps. Surfer koed him with bare fists while he was amped on the Old Power of Sakkar. Pardon me if I'm not too impressed by him.
That's cool. He also got beat up by Thing. Oh, I didn't know we are using a feat which happened decades later to hype Terrax up. But I've never been impressed with space cheese like you.
And got casually bitchslapped by a holding back Hulk?

She didn't even attacked him IIRC. Surfer is a total ***** against Galactus, we have already established that.
Cool.

Really?

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22881495_Excalibur_025_-_16.jpg

It didn't look like that's all she got.

Come on bran, its a Marvel Adventures all ages book.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100328224352/marveldatabase/images/9/9e/Spider-Man_and_the_Secret_Wars_Vol_1_1.jpg

See that logo on the cover?

Although Galactus says otherwise? You are the one who said he took out Evolutionary effortlessly, not me.

You are acting like I disagree with you on that. I don't. But holding Galactus off for several pages is better than what Surfer has ever done.

Not everyone. I said almost everyone. And Quasar hurt him in Alpha Flight 100.

stick out tongue

You know that's a reprint of FF 50, right?

Not really. Galactus was totally unfazed by Surfer's attack, Quasar was actually matching eyeblasts from an angry Galactus.

And BRB. And Hercules in Alpha Flight. Or Black Bolt. Or Dr. Strange.

I agree that no top tier should be able to harm him. But the facts are facts.

You know it was a danger to omniverse due to its nature and not from any power levels, right?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And Fallen One I guess but his power is a big question mark. Though with your argument right now, you'd think you'd freely accept him being more powerful than Surfer, especially when he has so few "low showings" to disregard it.

Not sure what your game is here.
Funnily enough, I just said that Surfer is more powerful than Fallen One.Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
How many fights did Surfer had with Thor and how many did ge win?
Shh, we don't talk about that. We need to maintain the fact that Surfer is invincible by heralds after all.

Odekahn
Heroes only:

Supes
Surfer
Hal
Thor
Flash (prolly Barry)

JayDaDon
Surfer
Superman
Thor
GL Hal
Flash

Kryptoniano
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Iirc fallen one had a different power source not linked to PC

Back to topic, Thor, Clark and SS will always be top three, everyone else is interchangeable

Yeah, pretty much this.

celeyhyga17
Thor
Surfer
Superman

The rest.....

Mindset
Kyle
Thor
Hulk
SS
Superman

Prof. T.C McAbe
Top 5 Heralds period

Originally posted by Mindset
Kyle


http://img.pandawhale.com/72074-I-find-your-lack-of-faith-dist-ExMy.gif

Tar-Antado
Surfer
Superman
Thor
Hulk
BRB/GL/Gladiator

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, its his best showing against Thor while hungry. He was still more powerful than he was in FF 242 or 243 where Thor knocked him for a loop. In Devourer, nobody was able to harm him. Your point is? So what you're saying is that by your logic, two other old battles overrides a newer one decades later? Don't you whine about Terrax's decades later feat being used? You realize Galactus has varying degrees of hunger no? Of course you do because you just changed your opinion from him being in some sort of fed state to him being stronger than another hungry Galactus.
Either way, his permanent state of hunger was more powerful true because he was still feeding on scraps, but he was still drained all the same. Around the same I'd say as every time he faces Surfer. Or Galactus just wasn't being written like shit.
With Thor's first fight with Galactus, he cheapshotted a Galactus who expended himself against Ego. And in FF Galactus was really really weak. It pretty much only goes against the Ego example, which was crap writing.

But anyway, Galactus was literally visibly shrinking due to how much power he was losing, and almost died because of how much he lost.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/FF244_09.jpg

Him being more powerful than near death is pretty weak to point out IMO.

And my point is that even with Galactus absorbing energy from his ship, that doesn't put him anywhere near feeding levels as he's still hungry. Here's as I said, he drained energy from his ship, and even though he said his limbs grew strong, he was still very very weak as shown in the above scan:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/FF243_09.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crusade against surfer? Gladiator didn't even attacked Galactus directly. Who said its not okay? I think no top tier should be able to harm Galactus, but that's not comics have shown us on average.
That Gladiator was just flying around Galactus doing nothing? Yeah, that's some atrocious art. But what can you do? Yes. As evidenced by any time you've ever talked about Surfer. You can't help yourself around his name.

I don't know if you're blind or what but there are clearly beams from Gladiator and flowing into Galactus.
I don't even understand why you're acting so ignorant around Gladiator. Like Galactus tanking him means anything.

Was Thor also not attacking Galactus there as well?

Also, we of course realize that comic battles aren't just a picture as well. It's a sequence of events and most shit is off panel. But it's still funny when those pictures reinforce a complete lack of ability to damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where surfer unloads fully on Galactus to the point he koes himself by hitting a wall while Galactus is fully unscathed? Great showing there for soarin' norrin!!! I only added that to cut off your ability to use "he stumbled" as an excuse.

I like how you go straight to lowballing when you realize how meaningless a feat is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
While amped on kinetic energy by Hulk's footsteps. Surfer koed him with bare fists while he was amped on the Old Power of Sakkar. Pardon me if I'm not too impressed by him. Oh right, I forgot Surfer beating him neglects him from being powerful. You have no agenda clearly.

Also it was only shown to impact that one punch anyway, which he used to kinetic impact to do that. It doesn't explain him throwing the Earth so hard it goes through Worldbreaker Hulk, and it doesn't explain prior to the footsteps him throwing his sword hard enough to cut halfway through Worldbreaker Hulk's arm.

It also doesn't explain this where he gets cheapshotted and hurts Hulked out Thor. What a pussy.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/Incredible%20Hulk%20609%20014.jpg
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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's cool. He also got beat up by Thing. Oh, I didn't know we are using a feat which happened decades later to hype Terrax up. But I've never been impressed with space cheese like you. He one punch bfr'ed Thing through the entirety of a skyscraper in that arc. He two shotted Thing in his first appearance arc, without the use of his axe. Though it was Surfer's artificial power, he effortlessly beat Dr Doom. He also flew into the black hole back then too and was living there. Dazzler beat him there while being amped off the sound of a galaxy being destroyed, the universe being created, and a cosmic storm and another lifeline that powered her up.

And then he got revived in a weaker form and all went to shit. Which includes him destroying a planet with the same attack. Weaker form.
Even without the planet attack, Terrax was a beast before he died. Using feats after he died to try and degrade him is actually worse than what you accused me of doing. Hell, Terrax was said by Galactus to be the most powerful herald when he was created:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/004FFv1211.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/005-FFv1211.jpg

And as for proof that he was more powerful before he died:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/SS_v3_074_08a.jpg

There, Terrax's entire history has been explained to you. Terrax was not a pussy prior to his death. He was easily a top tier.

Are you kidding? You could count the days on one hand since the last time you mentioned Superman and a planet weight in the same sentence. Every single one of your posts regarding Superman 1 Million revolve around galaxy vision. This is like Carver saying he doesn't like Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And got casually bitchslapped by a holding back Hulk? No he didn't. Hulk went mad because he thought Skaar died.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She didn't even attacked him IIRC. Surfer is a total ***** against Galactus, we have already established that. She slammed a piece of the planet into his face laced with energy.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/Skaar0113.jpg

So just because it's Surfer's power it doesn't count? Surfer's power along with Skaar's? Skaar being one of the most powerful beings in the universe doesn't count? You realize Surfer/Skaar would be more powerful than everyone you're using to try and lowball Galactus/Surfer?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Skaar.jpg

Though that one was more of my curiosity to see what you'd say. It's funny how you would completely override it just because it's connected to Surfer. You never wanted any proof, you just wanted to try and lowball. Which shows I could say anything, and as long as it's connected to Surfer you would feel safe in overriding it.

To explain what I'm saying since you're quite obtuse, it was just a vision. But I am beyond impressed it got you to say what I wanted you to. Predictable abby thumb up

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool. You say that, but you still maintain Galactus is apparently a ***** based off some twisted evidence.

Which shows it doesn't matter what Galactus actually does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really?

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22881495_Excalibur_025_-_16.jpg
It didn't look like that's all she got. What? She literally spun Nova around so she would travel faster and then threw her with what appeared to be a lot of effort.

She KO'ed Nova with a throw that did no damage to Galactus. If an attack that knocks out Nova in one attack isn't "top tier" then I don't know what is. Not to mention it's coming from a girl who in the story was actually shown to have abstract ramifications.

She got knocked out on Galactus and it did nothing. Simple really. Though it did seem to take a lot of effort considering she had to build towards it until she reached top speed. And even moreso since she hit Nova to the moon at the start of the issue that barely did anything to Nova. Which would indicate a bigger impact is required to KO her like that at the end of the issue. And usually people who can punch someone to the moon like that are top tierish anyway. Let alone an attack that far exceeds that.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Come on bran, its a Marvel Adventures all ages book.

See that logo on the cover?

Did I not ask for proof, not an opinion? You mean to tell me a cover overrides whether something can be canon or not?

Yes, it was a kiddified version of Secret War, but there's no indication anything was not canon. As well as shit like this existing in the last two issues before the story:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/Spider-Man%20amp%20the%20Secret%20Wars%203%20002.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/Spider-Man%20amp%20the%20Secret%20Wars%204%20002.jpg

"Right now"
"Previously"

It uses pages from the original book to tell you when this is happening in the story. Like come on.

Now is the time where you post a statement saying this happened in an alternate reality please. You know, some sort of fact.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Although Galactus says otherwise? I don't understand how you're not getting this. It's like you've put up wall mode around this. Let me try to explain so you can't... do whatever it is you think you're doing.

High Evolutionary fires regular blasts. Galactus blasts those blasts, and gets hit with one as the art would indicate.
High Evolutionary then decides to fire a blast that will devolve Galactus.
"This blast"
Galactus gets hit in second last panel. High Evolutionary says he will devolve him in the last panel of the page. Which means the rest of this page is irrelevant to High Evolutionary's devolving power. To find out what happens when his devolving ray is fired, we would have to flip to the very next page.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/High%20Evolutionary/ffgalactus4zu2.jpg


Now, we are on the next page. We have prior info that the blast in the top panel of this page is a blast meant to devolve. And Galactus says perhaps it would, if it struck him. Because this exact blast is the only blast of the fight that was meant to devolve.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/High%20Evolutionary/ffgalactus5nx4.jpg


Like, for ****s sake. How is this difficult?

Not to mention that it's completely irrelevant anyway. It's not even about durability there if it hits him. It's a completely different attack.

I could see if you were arguing that he wasn't hit in the first page, but you blatantly were not. Though I have a feeling you're going to move that goalpost there.

Anyway, I shall go in farther detail about the second last panel, or bottom left panel, or whatever one makes you acknowledge it.

Galactus' arms are at his side, and his head appears to be tilted up while the previous panel shows him shooting eyeblasts straight forward. The beam is coming for his body and appears to have hit. Which we saw no evidence of any damage occurring. Which is why I think he tanked it.

Though when I have to try and prove Galactus can tank High ****ing Evolutionary from a guy who ****ing agrees that Galactus shouldn't be hurt from top tiers, then that's a pretty sad day. It really doesn't matter, just thought I'd throw that in there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are the one who said he took out Evolutionary effortlessly, not me. What the ****? Where are these words coming from? I never even said anything along those lines. I said Galactus tanked it, my point was never about Galactus' power.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
People he has completely tanked are... High Evolutionary...

And he did take out High Evolutionary effortlessly anyway. Him dodging a blast doesn't mean he had issues. Like, where is your reading comprehension?






Originally posted by abhilegend
You are acting like I disagree with you on that. I don't. But holding Galactus off for several pages is better than what Surfer has ever done. You do disagree with me though. Otherwise you wouldn't be arguing and trying to use it as proof. You wouldn't have brought it up when your initial point was how Surfer couldn't hurt him.

And I just showed Surfer holding Galactus off for several pages. Your response was that it was a reprint.

Just because someone did something ineffectual for a couple pages doesn't mean it has to be repeated in the exact same way to be as impressive as something that was again, ineffectual.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Not everyone. I said almost everyone. And Quasar hurt him in Alpha Flight 100.

stick out tongue
Originally posted by abhilegend
You pretty much named every top tier Galactus has fought. Only surfer has been totally ineffective against him out of those.
Which you're continuing to argue with. The only feat you accepted was Ultron. The rest you ignored. And even when given context you act like you should be able to ignore the context and continue using the feat or just make shit up. You sure do agree that Galactus shouldn't be hurt by top tiers. Sure do.

Anyway, like I said, there was a lot of context to Alpha Flight 100. Which I said a lot. So it's funny you use it. Might as well start saying that Superman getting effected by kryptonite and red sun at the same time is an accurate measure.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Alpha_Flight_v1_100_19.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Alpha_Flight_v1_100_28.jpg

Also, Quasar wasn't even shown to hurt him on his own anyway. It was shown that Galactus was hurt when Quasar, and a couple attacked him, but considering Guardian was among those others, and Guardian single handily knocked out Galactus... yeah, let's attribute that to Quasar.

Also, a scene in which Guardian - who if you're calling Terrax a pussy, than I can't imagine what you think of Guardian - knocked out Galactus is likely the best thing to use as evidence.

Originally posted by abhilegend You know that's a reprint of FF 50, right? What does it matter? Are you just replying to make it look like you're making a case?

Are you really arguing with a filename right now? And that reprint is of better quality anyway than the original.

But anyway, I do know that, because I said it:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Surfer did the best against Galactus in their initial appearances.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Galactus was totally unfazed by Surfer's attack, Quasar was actually matching eyeblasts from an angry Galactus. All Quasar was doing was shielding himself. He wasn't matching his eyeblasts. His shields were for whatever reason holding out against Galactus' eyeblasts.

And even so, Surfer trapped Galactus' entire body for a whole page anyway. Are Galactus' eyeblasts as powerful as his entire body?

Like I said, both accomplished nothing. It's a game of semantics that you're playing here. Especially when your point shifted from hurting Galactus to apparently thinking that Quasar being equal to Galactus is relevant. You're just trying to bring up random "low showings" to try and prove your point via very rough connection.



Originally posted by abhilegend
And BRB. And Hercules in Alpha Flight. Or Black Bolt. Or Dr. Strange. Like I said about BRB, all he did is crack Galactus' armor.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/stormbreaker0118hn9.jpg
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http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/stormbreaker0120md2.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/stormbreaker0213rh3.jpg

You might as well be arguing that Thor's chainmail getting damaged is some serious shit.

Already covered Alpha Flight, and it's not like it really did anything anyway.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Alpha_Flight_v1_100_25.jpg

Which is probably worse considering Galactus was operating at such a low level and Herc can barely do anything.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with Black Bolt. I am pretty sure you made that up.

And Dr Strange. All he did was knock Galactus off balance. In fact it states it.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Dr%20Strange/galactusvsdrstrange5cb5.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Dr%20Strange/galactusvsdrstrange6mi4.jpg

Impressive feat, but it accomplished nothing. No more than Thing tripping him anyway. Which I suppose is another knock towards Surfer somehow?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I agree that no top tier should be able to harm him. But the facts are facts.
What facts are those? Twisting things? Ignoring things? I gave you a big list of things that he tanked and you ignored them and tried to downplay their impressiveness. But you sure do agree. Hell, you just made up Black Bolt hurting him, so yeah, good job using those facts to come to an unbiased decision. thumb up


Originally posted by abhilegend
You know it was a danger to omniverse due to its nature and not from any power levels, right? It doesn't matter. Everyone there was super powered to some degree. Even Hulk took a big punch from Captain Britain and only cried because he actually had a baby's brain.
Hell, this was their Goliath:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/Excalibur%20014-013.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/Excalibur%20014-014.jpg

Whether they were 616 level or not, there were hundreds maybe thousands of beings attacking Galactus there, and he didn't bat an eye.

Like I said, pretty much just Thor hurts Galactus. Surfer not doing anything is a meaningless thing to point out and smells of hate for both Surfer/Galactus.

Thor has hurt Galactus twice. Thor has failed to hurt Galactus twice. Three times if you count nothing he did being accomplished against Galactus in the first fight of The Devourer.
Alpha Flight was his powers not working.
Dr Strange wasn't shown to hurt him. Even if he was, that's 2.
Beta Ray Bill only damaged his armor.
Black Bolt is... not entirely sure what you're talking about.

And that's what you base pretty much every top tier hurting him on. 4-5 examples. What about the laundry list I gave you?Doesn't count I guess.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Funnily enough, I just said that Surfer is more powerful than Fallen One.
Shh, we don't talk about that. We need to maintain the fact that Surfer is invincible by heralds after all. Which is why this is so weird for me, considering you use every trick in the book to try and make Surfer look bad. Look at what you're doing here for instance.

You even tried to diminish Fallen One's showing by saying Galactus was near death, yet you have no issue at all using FF 243, and the Alpha Flight issues. The latter I stated the context multiple times.

It's quite confusing to say the least. And the confusion arises from how predictably you will hate on Surfer, yet on this specific issue (not the thread of course) you back off. Head scratcher. Unless it's not just a Surfer vendetta but a Galactus one as well.

Anyway, like I said, out of established top tiers, there's like 2 examples of Thorring going on. And a whole mess of no sells. You prefer to side on the lesser proof of course because it goes with your nature. But it's wrong. Your initial statement was wrong, and you are still wrong. Any thing that doesn't fit with your "pussy" scenario, you ignore it or write one word about it and then move on and continue to spout your nonsense.

The Beta Ray Bill example is my favorite. Mostly because it's cosmetic damage to armor that didn't injure Galactus at all. Curious how you would react had Carver gone around saying Superman got hurt when his costume got damaged when he showed no visible signs of being hurt.

You can continue arguing or you can simply concede (lol oh me). The proof is not on your side here. Especially when your statements are based off in your words 4-5 examples. How does that form an average in the many many examples of Galactus being hungry, I'm not sure.

In any case, Galactus aside, this still wouldn't do anything to Surfer had these 4-5 examples be legit. It's simply Surfer being way weaker than Galactus and heroes being written up. We know Surfer is fractions of fractions of Galactus' power. Why would this be a knock on him?

I am also glad you dropped Ultimate Thor hurting him from your list. That was woefully inept.

Bentley
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Back to topic, Tutinax, Clark and SS will always be top three, everyone else is interchangeable

biscuits

Scoobless
My top 5 obscure picks.

Seth
Sundown
Bedlam
Skreet
Desak

Anyone know them all without searching the net?

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"Id"
Desak can be trans

carver9
You don't think Seth can as well?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Scoobless
My top 5 obscure picks.

Seth
Sundown
Bedlam
Skreet
Desak

Anyone know them all without searching the net?

big grin
Show off!

Originally posted by "Id"
Desak can be trans
thumb up

Scoobless
Hell, Surfer could push into trans with all the crap he's pulled out his shiny @ss over the yeas.

Mindship
Regarding the top three (and not necessarily in this order)...
Originally posted by Mindship
- Thor (with hammer) I give the nod to in terms of sheer, overall power, not that the others are that far behind. He's also probably best at energy absorption (again, with hammer), which is extremely handy against a wide range of attacks.
- Surfer has the best overall versatility (jeez, the guy turned himself into snow!). I'm also inclined to give him the edge in durability and travel speed (again, the others not being that far behind).
- Superman, in addition to being physically the strongest and fastest in h2h speed, is the best puncher/brawler and definitely the most creative with his powers (SS and Thor should take note).

Personally, I consider any victory of one over the other circumstance determined. Not sure who I'd pick for spots 4 and 5. Candidates include Wonder Woman, Dr. Strange, Orion, WWH.

"Id"
Originally posted by "Id"
Thor
Silver Surfer
Shaman X-Man
Dr Strange
Superman

Cyborg Superman
Baron Zemo with moonstones
Tangent Superman
Dr. Fate ( Hector)
Majestic

Supermex
Originally posted by Scoobless
Hell, Surfer could push into trans with all the crap he's pulled out his shiny @ss over the yeas.




Yea I think so

beatboks
Ok since this is "MY" top 5 Heralds

Alan scot
Dr Fate
Daimon Hellstrom
Dark Nebula
Thor

This list wasnt about power, it's literally the order of my favorite heralds. Some times the order changes.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by beatboks
Dark Nebula Nope

biscuits

Scoobless
^Racist

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psycho gundam
Look upon the face of the oppressed:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2mmb6sh.jpg

beatboks
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Nope

biscuits

I said it wasnt about power. my list was purely my favorite herald class characters not whose most powerful. I know Thor isnt more powerful than say Silver Surfer, but I'd greatly prefer to read a story about odinson than Norin.

I could probably slip Obsidian somewhere in that list too.

Mindship
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks. Thank you! In an attempt to explain this glaring, annoying inconsistency, I've postulated that on a deeply unconscious level, Surfer -- already pacifisto supremo -- really holds back against Galactus, out of a loyalty as intense as his pacifism.

But mostly, I suspect it's just an unfortunate Marvel trope: because Galactus made the Surfer, the Surfer will never be more than a teeny fraction of Galactus' power, whereas others (like Delta Wave Dave) can find Big G's jobber button.

Scoobless
More likely it's cos Surfer is using big Gs own power against him, kinda like how Cyclops' eye beams can't hurt himself or how some mutant powers can't affect their siblings.

Mindship
^ Works for me. Marvel should at least make that canon.

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