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Round 1: neutral ground
Round 2: Zannah gets tendrils

Round 1: Mace wins via superior skill.

Round 2: Mace Vaapads tendrils FTW. biscuits

Mr. Windu.

Zannah joins Bane in the grave

I'll give it to Mace.

As proven by Zannah holding Bane at bay with her soresu, she is capable of holding Mace at bay long enough to to use her mind spells. And Windu has no special strength in telepathy. Her spells should be the end of him

Originally posted by WildBantha88
As proven by Zannah holding Bane at bay with her soresu, she is capable of holding Mace at bay long enough to to use her mind spells. And Windu has no special strength in telepathy. Her spells should be the end of him



I'd give them both a fighting chance. If Mace can lock her into the same stalemate her got Sidious into he'll likely win eventually, but Zannah has a great chance to disengage and mind-blast him.

Except Obi-Wan's Soresu >> Zannah's.

Whats your point?

Also, nah.

Lol, I forgot where I was going with that. I'll get back to you when I remember.

You think Zannah's Soresu is better than Kenobi's?

In it's raw defensive ability, yes. It lacks flexibility, agility and the ability to counter attack easily like Kenobi has, so if you think that makes his better then I guess thats fair. But Zannah defense is undoubtedly stronger imo.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
As proven by Zannah holding Bane at bay with her soresu, she is capable of holding Mace at bay long enough

Ok I had to stop there.

What?

Originally posted by Nephthys
In it's raw defensive ability, yes. It lacks flexibility, agility and the ability to counter attack easily like Kenobi has, so if you think that makes his better then I guess thats fair. But Zannah defense is undoubtedly stronger imo. That seems fair.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In it's raw defensive ability, yes. It lacks flexibility, agility and the ability to counter attack easily like Kenobi has, so if you think that makes his better then I guess thats fair. But Zannah defense is undoubtedly stronger imo.

Not sure about that. Still, I think Mace has this in the bag. His Shatterpoint should give him the advantage over Zannah's Soresu, and his Vaapad should help him greatly against Zannah's powers, if she even has the chance to utilize them.

Originally posted by Selenial
Ok I had to stop there.

What?

Problem? :trollface:

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Not sure about that. Still, I think Mace has this in the bag. His Shatterpoint should give him the advantage over Zannah's Soresu, and his Vaapad should help him greatly against Zannah's powers, if she even has the chance to utilize them.

I said that I think Mace would win a protracted duel, but I also gave Zannah good odds of putting enough distance between them to bust out the spells like she did against Bane. And I don't see how Vaapad would help Mace against her sorcery. If anything, him getting so close to the darkside would make him extremely vulnerable to Zannah's mental attacks.

Mace utterly destroys her so bad the spectators need to commit suicide to recover from the brutality they just watched.

Vaapad shouldn't boost Mace much either. Vaapad works best against seething rage monsters, not a passive and patent defensive player like Zannah

I didn't mean her sorcery, just her dark side Force energies. Besides, Zannah's tendrils happened on a nexus. I don't think she'd be able to replicate them anywhere else, considering it took her a great effort to do so even there.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I didn't mean her sorcery, just her dark side Force energies. Besides, Zannah's tendrils happened on a nexus. I don't think she'd be able to replicate them anywhere else, considering it took her a great effort to do so even there. Zannah gets her tendrils in round 2

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Zannah gets her tendrils in round 2

Duh. Sorry, I'm a little distracted.

It has the potential to be a good match depending on Zannah's ability to evade Mace's dueling prowess. Like Neph said, if Mace gets in close, he'll win. She has a good chance though.

Round two goes to Zannah though

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Duh. Sorry, I'm a little distracted. Meth or pills?

Yeah, her tendrils will probably get the job done.
Round 1 is Mace's, though.

Windu stomps both rounds, he doesn't suck like Bane as a duelist so he can win with ease

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Meth or pills?

Shrooms.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd give them both a fighting chance. If Mace can lock her into the same stalemate her got Sidious into he'll likely win eventually, but Zannah has a great chance to disengage and mind-blast him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In it's raw defensive ability, yes. It lacks flexibility, agility and the ability to counter attack easily like Kenobi has, so if you think that makes his better then I guess thats fair. But Zannah defense is undoubtedly stronger imo.

Zannah would die horribly in any duel and LOL at her being better at Soresu than Obi Wan. Bane is a shit duelist who can only beat trainees, let me know when Zannah can even hold her own against Sidious

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Shrooms. We totally need to get high together some day.

Zannah's Soresu hasn't proven to be nearly as good as Kenobi's. She wasn't truly holding off Bane, he actually had the upper hand against her until she spawned her tendrils, if I recall correctly. Other than that, which isn't very impressive considering she didn't hold her own with her Soresu alone, what other good feat does she have against a competent opponent?

Zannah has a lot of raw power and great sorcery skills, but she hasn't really proven to be a great duelist.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
We totally need to get high together some day.

K, lemme just go the US.

She did hold off Bane. She was capable of keeping up with him in speed and even his full strength power attacks only staggered her for a split-second before she recovered and she handled him somewhat effectively in normal Soresu with only some issues with his size and strength in very close quarters. But after she started up her defensive wall she repelled all his attacks without any issues, causing him to switch tactics rather than continue to press her defense.

Tellingly enough, even after she'd fallen to the ground and Bane was fully unleashing on her after breaking her ribs, she still manages to block every attack from a massively disadvantaged position and successfully regain her feet and put significant distance between them.

If Kenobi was on the ground with broken ribs and Maul was standing over him going apeshit on him, how do you think he'd perform?

I thought she used the tendrils as a 'desperate act' to hold off Bane.

Yeah, cuz he'd broken her ribs and resisted her mental attack.

After he fails to get through her defense, he starts using an unpredictable style that causes her give ground defensively, apparently herding her towards the shuttle to box her in. Meanwhile Zannah is building up a massive mental attack and is seconds from unleashing it on him when she actually stumbles on fresh graves (in the dark iirc) she'd overlooked that he'd actually been sheparding her towards. She falls, he wails on her until she escapes and she recognises her disadvantage. She tries the mind spell, he breaks out so she tries the tentacles.

Meh, to me it seems like Zannah is only barely able to escape Bane's attacks, blocking them in any way she possibly can before being overwhelmed.

Whatever the case may be, we've not seen Kenobi's reaction in a similar position to Zannah vs. Bane (like Maul going apeshit and attacking him unpredictably), but we can't undermine him or assume he wouldn't deliver, especially because he's considered the best Soresu user in the entire PT Order and we've seen him go against an enraged Vader who wants nothing more than killing him and is going all-out. A Vader skilled enough to crush Dooku and considered to be the most skilled (former) Jedi Knight of the PT. The physicality of his blows and attacks is huge, and due to his uncontrolled rage his Djem So becomes somewhat unpredictable during their duel. He still manages to hold him at bay in a long, long duel in which Kenobi ends up as the victorious combatant.

I honestly think that alone is more impressive than any Soresu feat Zannah has to her name.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Vaapad shouldn't boost Mace much either. Vaapad works best against seething rage monsters, not a passive and patent defensive player like Zannah

Vapaad always boosts Mace though sure, I agree that the amp wouldn't be as substantial as it would be with most dark siders.

Regardless, Mace easily.