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Low Meta power cap. Hand to hand combat only and you can pick three. Who could beat these three?

Non jobbing wolverine

Luke Cage or Iron Fist

The Three I would think could stop Wolverine, Iron Fist, & Luke Cage with pressure points and team work specially one on one.

No one mentioned yet are stopping these 3.

Naw u wrong logan at his best solos

Yeah, if he goes berserker rage he will probably win, besides that, no. Mr. X knows Logan better than most and it also helps that Logan and X has fought on multiple of occasions and X does well, to the point that he usually beats him under normal conditions.

Originally posted by carver9
No one mentioned yet are stopping these 3. wrong, Danny chi blasts them before they even get close and one hit from hist fist will kill any one of them.Originally posted by golem370
The Three I would think could stop Wolverine, Iron Fist, & Luke Cage with pressure points and team work specially one on one. Cage has two showings of resisting pressure points, two showings of owning Mr. X, multiple showings of going toe to toe with martial artists and other characters on or slightly above each of these characters' paygrade, and teamwork won't be a very big factor here when they have never actually fought as a team.

Originally posted by deathslash
wrong, Danny chi blasts them before they even get close and one hit from hist fist will kill any one of them. Cage has two showings of resisting pressure points, two showings of owning Mr. X, multiple showings of going toe to toe with martial artists and other characters on or slightly above each of these characters' paygrade, and teamwork won't be a very big factor here when they have never actually fought as a team.

X will more than likely dodge it along with Task Master. Let's not pretend like Danny is fighting some chumps here and X would probably read that attack coming from a mile away. No denying this. If he was able to mentally read Logan every movement, he sure as hell can do it against Danny.

Luke gets slaughtered.

Originally posted by carver9
X will more than likely dodge it along with Task Master. Let's not pretend like Danny is fighting some chumps here and X would probably read that attack coming from a mile away. No denying this. If he was able to mentally read Logan every movement, he sure as hell can do it against Danny.

Luke gets slaughtered. was logan fighting intelligently or was he fighting like a berserker?

While I would give the team wins over Iron Fist or Wolverine, I can't see how they'd hurt, let alone beat Cage.

Originally posted by deathslash
was logan fighting intelligently or was he fighting like a berserker?

Logan got owned because he had his kid gloves on, he didn't know x was a low level telepath. Once he realized that and he stopped phucking around he chumped x. Just because someone is uber in their first appearance it doesn't make em uber overrall. Taskmaster and Shiva are nothing Rand or Logan can't overcome.

Originally posted by deathslash
was logan fighting intelligently or was he fighting like a berserker?

I'll let you judge. Logan was using his skill in this fight and he struggled...would've loss if it wasn't for that rage of his.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507681-x1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507682-x2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507683-x3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507684-x4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507685-x5.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507686-x6.jpg

Their first fight without the rage, he mud stomped Wolverine.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Logan got owned because he had his kid gloves on, he didn't know x was a low level telepath. Once he realized that and he stopped phucking around he chumped x. Just because someone is uber in their first appearance it doesn't make em uber overrall. Taskmaster and Shiva are nothing Rand or Logan can't overcome.



Read the comic or the scans I posted. It tells you why Logan gained the advantage.

Originally posted by deathslash
wrong, Danny chi blasts them before they even get close and one hit from hist fist will kill any one of them. Cage has two showings of resisting pressure points, two showings of owning Mr. X, multiple showings of going toe to toe with martial artists and other characters on or slightly above each of these characters' paygrade, and teamwork won't be a very big factor here when they have never actually fought as a team.

So Danny breaks the rules of this thread and chi blasts his opponents?

Going berserk on X used to be the best way (the only way even) to beat him... but now? After he trained himself, so he doesn't need to rely on his power so much? Mister X was pretty sure he could've handled Berserker Wolverine recently. And Logan didn't want to take the risk of trying to find out. Plus, X didn't mind fighting Deadpool who was immune to his tp as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Going berserk on X used to be the best way (the only way even) to beat him... but now? After he trained himself, so he doesn't need to rely on his power so much? Mister X was pretty sure he could've handled Berserker Wolverine recently. And Logan didn't want to take the risk of trying to find out. Plus, X didn't mind fighting Deadpool who was immune to his tp as well.



Too many people don't know this. A lot of people don't know this tbh. Great explanation of his abilities.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3507664-mr.+x.jpg

Here is X and Wolverine first fight. Logan even tells us he is taking the gloves off (lol Sin).

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17195.jpg

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17196.jpg


http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17197.jpg

Logan couldn't even touch him and Logan speed>>>>>Cage.

That's what I said, he lost the first match because he didn't know he was facing a MA telepath. Once he figured it out he owned him.

Originally posted by golem370
Low Meta power cap. Hand to hand combat only and you can pick three. Who could beat these three? http://i58.tinypic.com/a3fvnn.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
Luke Cage or Iron Fist

And Spidey makes three.

Originally posted by carver9
*snip*
Logan couldn't even touch him and Logan speed>>>>>Cage. If you can illustrate for me how X can manage to even damage Cage, I'll let this go.

Originally posted by carver9
X will more than likely dodge it along with Task Master. Let's not pretend like Danny is fighting some chumps here and X would probably read that attack coming from a mile away. No denying this. If he was able to mentally read Logan every movement, he sure as hell can do it against Danny.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/2116143-204469-ironfistdefeatsx2_super.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/2116143-204469-ironfistdefeatsx2_super.jpg Yep, Danny's a monster

Also, here's Cage beating X
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_Thunderbolts137018.jpg http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_Thunderbolts137019.jpg

Amadeus Cho beat X. He's a joke now.

It seem like everybody is talking about X but he has skilled teammates. Taskmaster could copy either of his teammates skills.

Well paladin did scramble cages brain so x couldn't read his mind. HOWEVER that means without to X is less than cage h2h which is sad

Originally posted by deathslash
Also, here's Cage beating X
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_Thunderbolts137018.jpg http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_Thunderbolts137019.jpg

Context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Amadeus Cho beat X. He's a joke now.

Context.

Originally posted by carver9
Context.

There is no context. He couldn't read Cages mind so he couldn't beat him h2h and he couldn't "understand" chos advanced thoughts so he couldn't predict him. X is a one trick pony that's easily overcome. And iirc deadpool team ups aren't Canon

Originally posted by Sin I AM
There is no context. He couldn't read Cages mind so he couldn't beat him h2h and he couldn't "understand" chos advanced thoughts so he couldn't predict him. X is a one trick pony that's easily overcome. And iirc deadpool team ups aren't Canon

X relies on his powers which is the reason Cage was able to do what he did and also , so Cage hitting X once (ONCE) means that X can't beat him in h2h? Is that what you are saying? And there was context. The context is, Cage mind was being scrambled.

Originally posted by carver9
X relies on his powers which is the reason Cage was able to do what he did and also , so Cage hitting X once (ONCE) means that X can't beat him in h2h? Is that what you are saying? And there was context. The context is, Cage mind was being scrambled.

I keep forgetting how much of a dumbass you can be. If X is such a great martial artist he would NOT have been one shot, he would have dodged a clusmy blow from a mind scrambled Cage. X is a One trick pony that's EASILY dispatched.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I keep forgetting how much of a dumbass you can be. If X is such a great martial artist he would NOT have been one shot, he would have dodged a clusmy blow from a mind scrambled Cage. X is a One trick pony that's EASILY dispatched.

Ok. So if I post Cage hitting Danny, does this mean he isn't a good martial artist? Use your brain. X was caught off guard because he thought he could predict Cage movements by reading his mind. This didn't work due to context which left an opening.

Wait, X was koed during that instance?

Does it matter? He was beaten pretty much the same way the same issue a few pages later.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Does it matter? He was beaten pretty much the same way the same issue a few pages later.

Originally posted by carver9
No one mentioned yet are stopping these 3.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Danny already beat X by using drunken boxing?

Originally posted by Horus1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Danny already beat X by using drunken boxing? Seriously? You gonna ask that without properly reading through the thread?

Originally posted by Horus1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Danny already beat X by using drunken boxing? yep, you're right. also, what's to stop Cage from thunder clapping this team away?

Originally posted by deathslash
yep, you're right. also, what's to stop Cage from thunder clapping this team away? Jesus Christ thunder clapping is against the stipulations . The new blood is great for the forum but come on

Originally posted by iceman24567
Jesus Christ thunder clapping is against the stipulations . The new blood is great for the forum but come on Sorry, I forgot about that rule. Cage still wins though.

Originally posted by deathslash
yep, you're right. also, what's to stop Cage from thunder clapping this team away?



Who has Cage dismissed/dropped with a thunder clap?

carver thats irrelevant but leave it to you to care about something completely irrelevant to the thread

No thunderclapping, chi area attacks, or webbing needed with a Danny, Peter, Cage team.

Basically, Spidey's faster then Mr. X, Shiva, and Taskmaster. A lot faster. Tasky in double time mode couldn't keep up.

Danny's about as fast as Spidey is.

Cage by himself isn't doing much, but with a partner of many years and another guy he was part of a team with? They'll have the better teamwork by far.. Think Danny setting up Gorgon for Matt Murdoch.

This is a single person fight vs the three in this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
carver thats irrelevant but leave it to you to care about something completely irrelevant to the thread



I agree. That's why I think Hulk can take out Monarch with a thunder clap.

Originally posted by carver9


I agree. That's why I think Hulk can take out Monarch with a thunder clap.
Jeeze you are a piece of work nice spamming

Originally posted by carver9
This is a single person fight vs the three in this thread.



Doesn't say this is one vs three.

Aaaahhhh, Gotcha. Yeah, your team would beat that team.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Seriously? You gonna ask that without properly reading through the thread?

Sorry for the rub bud, just asking a question to better give an answer. I swear message forums can be the worst. I just got here, and wasn't negative or anything. To answer your question though, yes I read the forum, and I was under the impression it was mostly H2H. The question was to give me a better context of the fight. Thanks for the warm welcome. Good day!

Originally posted by Horus1
Sorry for the rub bud, just asking a question to better give an answer. I swear message forums can be the worst. I just got here, and wasn't negative or anything. To answer your question though, yes I read the forum, and I was under the impression it was mostly H2H. The question was to give me a better context of the fight. Thanks for the warm welcome. Good day!
I mean this thread itself where somebody actually posted the scene you were referring to. Redundancy just slows the progress of the debate is all i apologize if that seemed hostile.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I mean this thread itself where somebody actually posted the scene you were referring to. Redundancy just slows the progress of the debate is all i apologize if that seemed hostile.

Stop being a bully

Anyway Logan solos
Parker solos
Rand solos

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Stop being a bully

Anyway Logan solos
Parker solos
Rand solos
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/iceman2456/bitchcomeon.gif

Lol @ Sin list.

Originally posted by iceman24567
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/iceman2456/bitchcomeon.gif Originally posted by carver9
Lol @ Sin list.

Do you two ass clowns have better candidates ? I like how neither one of u troll phuck tards offered zero feedback to the op yet sprout out continued nonsense derailing the thread. Contribute or stfu

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Do you two ass clowns have better candidates ? I like how neither one of u troll phuck tards offered zero feedback to the op yet sprout out continued nonsense derailing the thread. Contribute or stfu
Must be that time of the month direct your menstrual aggression somewhere else

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Do you two ass clowns have better candidates ? I like how neither one of u troll phuck tards offered zero feedback to the op yet sprout out continued nonsense derailing the thread. Contribute or stfu

I agreed with CT response. Lol...we can quote you SIN, especially if we disagree. No one insulted you but even you can't believe what you said in your post. Kinda like you saying Superman can solo both Wonder Woman (who has full gear) and Sentry (who is a High Herald in his own right). Trying to figure out why you post things like that.

Originally posted by carver9
I agreed with CT response. Lol...we can quote you SIN, especially if we disagree. No one insulted you but even you can't believe what you said in your post. Kinda like you saying Superman can solo both Wonder Woman (who has full gear) and Sentry (who is a High Herald in his own right). Trying to figure out why you post things like that.
Honestly i dont see her list being as bad as you make it seem then again she is certifiable

The op who can win not who can't. Logan, Spiderman and Rand at their best without cis are all capable of putting these three down individually. Now do you two have a suggestion of who you think will win? Or will you continue to piggyback off others comments?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Honestly i dont see her list being as bad as you make it seem then again she is certifiable

Its pretty bad. She is giving Logan the edge over Mr. X when Logan and X already fought. Debatable if Danny could beat him and if you include the other two, he gets stomped and Parker isn't beating that team either. Hell, didn't Task M already give Spiderman trouble?

Originally posted by cdtm
No thunderclapping, chi area attacks, or webbing needed with a Danny, Peter, Cage team.

Basically, Spidey's faster then Mr. X, Shiva, and Taskmaster. A lot faster. Tasky in double time mode couldn't keep up.

Danny's about as fast as Spidey is.

Cage by himself isn't doing much, but with a partner of many years and another guy he was part of a team with? They'll have the better teamwork by far.. Think Danny setting up Gorgon for Matt Murdoch.

I agree with this list. These 3 together can pull the majority imo.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Stop being a bully

Anyway Logan solos
Parker solos
Rand solos

Considering Spider-man has had issues with just Taskmaster in the past I doubt he could solo. Same goes with Wolverine and Mr X- especially as in their most recent fight even going into berserker rage (the way he previously beat X) didn't work for Logan.

As for Iron Fist, while he's as skilled as anyone here + all his chi based skills would give him an individual win against any of them, all three his opponents have beaten people who are much stronger and faster than them, and are roughly equal in skill.

(I'm assuming the is pre flashpoint Lady Shiva, not sure if she has done anything since)

In all these scenarios, the fact any of these three could at least hold their own against any of the guys you suggested means that with all three of them involved they'll take the vast majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Here is X and Wolverine first fight. Logan even tells us he is taking the gloves off (lol Sin).

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17195.jpg

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17196.jpg


http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17197.jpg

Logan couldn't even touch him and Logan speed>>>>>Cage.

Thumbs up Almighty. As shown per my previous post, Logan even tells us he is taking the gloves off and still failed at stopping X. Hell, he couldn't even land a lick.

Originally posted by carver9
Its pretty bad. She is giving Logan the edge over Mr. X when Logan and X already fought. Debatable if Danny could beat him and if you include the other two, he gets stomped and Parker isn't beating that team either. Hell, didn't Task M already give Spiderman trouble?

Logan has beaten X
Danny has beaten X
Parker is ABOVE X pay grade.
Who has X beaten which suggests he's so uber, iirc he has ONE win

Originally posted by Sin I AM
The op who can win not who can't. Logan, Spiderman and Rand at their best without cis are all capable of putting these three down individually. Now do you two have a suggestion of who you think will win? Or will you continue to piggyback off others comments?
Shut up
Originally posted by carver9
Its pretty bad. She is giving Logan the edge over Mr. X when Logan and X already fought. Debatable if Danny could beat him and if you include the other two, he gets stomped and Parker isn't beating that team either. Hell, didn't Task M already give Spiderman trouble?
You know as well as i do that Logan shouldnt lose to X especially on KMC. He has high end tp resistance as well as a feral state that hes been known to go into several times in his career.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Logan has beaten X
Danny has beaten X
Parker is ABOVE X pay grade.
Who has X beaten which suggests he's so uber, iirc he has ONE win

How did Logan defeat X?
Was X koed from that one hit throat slab Danny did? Do you have scans or are you basing this off of a single hit again?
Lol...Parker isn't above X paygrade. Where are you getting that from?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Shut up

You know as well as i do that Logan shouldnt lose to X especially on KMC. He has high end tp resistance as well as a feral state that hes been known to go into several times in his career.

Logan CAN beat X but as he said, he can only do it one way, and that is by going berserk.

Originally posted by carver9
I'll let you judge. Logan was using his skill in this fight and he struggled...would've loss if it wasn't for that rage of his.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507681-x1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507682-x2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507683-x3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507684-x4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507685-x5.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3507686-x6.jpg

Their first fight without the rage, he mud stomped Wolverine.

Here. Read Logan words.

Originally posted by carver9
Logan CAN beat X but as he said, he can only do it one way, and that is by going berserk. Exactly plus its funny that Logan doesnt atleast know the basics of drunken kung fu considering he knows just about every noteworthy martial art on the planet plus some non terran ones

If i facepalm any harder i will lose my head. Xs only saving grace is his tp. Which gives an extremely unfair advantage in a h2h match. Once his TP is overcome thru Animal rage or drunken fighting style or scrambled brain waves he's done. He can't compete. And you think he's a threat to a serious Parker? Id love to bz you on that especially given the laundry list of feats and wins X has.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Exactly plus its funny that Logan doesnt atleast know the basics of drunken kung fu considering he knows just about every noteworthy martial art on the planet plus some non terran ones

Should not have worked based on this.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3507664-mr.+x.jpg

That is one of X lowest showings. That's like me pointing out the people she named lowest just to make character A look good (not directing that comment at you). Based off what X has done, I wouldn't give any of the people she named the edge. That's based off what he's done vs his lows. If we are focusing on his lows and exempting the loss of the others then yeah, anyone can make an argument against him.

On average i would give Wolverine the edge against X maybe thats just me

Originally posted by carver9
Should not have worked based on this.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3507664-mr.+x.jpg

That is one of X lowest showings. That's like me pointing out the people she named lowest just to make character A look good (not directing that comment at you). Based off what X has done, I wouldn't give any of the people she named the edge. That's based off what he's done vs his lows. If we are focusing on his lows and exempting the loss of the others then yeah, anyone can make an argument against him.

Wtf. WHO HAS HE BEATEN?

Originally posted by iceman24567
On average i would give Wolverine the edge against X maybe thats just me

Why? X has already defeated Logan. The only way Logan gained an advantage was via berserker rage.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wtf. WHO HAS HE BEATEN?

Did you really just ask this? He DESTROYED Task M without getting touched. Who has done this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3507756-mr.+x+tasky+1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3507754-mr.+x+tasky+2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3507755-mr.+x+tasky+3.jpg

Then he wrecked Logan. Already posted the showing.

Originally posted by carver9
Why? X has already defeated Logan. The only way Logan gained an advantage was via berserker rage. You answered your own question

Meh not impressed. Show me something i dont know. Besides in this thread his opponents KNOW about his tp since they get basic knowledge.

In the most recent fight (written by Tieri, X's creator) berserker rage didn't even work iirc. Stilt or someone might remember/know better but I think it was a canon comic that initially came out digitally.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
In the most recent fight (written by Tieri, X's creator) berserker rage didn't even work iirc. Stilt or someone might remember/know better but I think it was a canon comic that initially came out digitally.
thats phucking stupid i hope Stilt doesnt pop up today

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh not impressed. Show me something i dont know. Besides in this thread his opponents KNOW about his tp since they get basic knowledge.

You didn't know. Lol...who has punked TM like that before?

Originally posted by carver9
You didn't know. Lol...who has punked TM like that before?

He has telepathy that's borderline precog, it's an unfair advantage in a h2h fight. Plus that's his first BIG appearance, so of course people gonna job. Funny how he hasn't done shit since

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He has telepathy that's borderline precog, it's an unfair advantage in a h2h fight. Plus that's his first BIG appearance, so of course people gonna job. Funny how he hasn't done shit since

He was out for a while before his Tasky fight. Lol...majority of his losses, if he has any (because Danny and Cage hitting him once isn't a loss. He did lose to QS badly though) outside of QS involved context.

Originally posted by carver9
He was out for a while before his Tasky fight. Lol...majority of his losses, if he has any (because Danny and Cage hitting him once isn't a loss. He did lose to QS badly though) outside of QS involved context.

You keep saying context like u know what it means. There was no context to QS. He was beaten period. He was one-shot by rand and one-shot by cage. When his tp is taken out of play he's a non factor.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You keep saying context like u know what it means. There was no context to QS. He was beaten period. He was one-shot by rand and one-shot by cage. When his tp is taken out of play he's a non factor.

Reread my post please...patiently.

When did Iron fist ko him? Scan of him being koed.
When did Cage ko him? Scans of ko please.

This forum picks the weirdest times to defend Wolverine. X already trained to overcome the berserker rage, and Wolverine wasn't too keen on testing him again.

While X's stock has fallen, the Iron Fist incident is still being overblown. It was one hit, and X was totally fine afterwards. It was PIS imo anyway, as using drunken style doesn't negate the fact that you're still thinking about your damn moves.

Wolverine isn't soloing this team.

Originally posted by carver9
Reread my post please...patiently.

When did Iron fist ko him? Scan of him being koed.
When did Cage ko him? Scans of ko please.

I said one shot. He was rendered ineffective unless u can provide a scan of him returning to the fight which u can't.

I'm over X he's not even relevant as Shiva is a greater fighter

Originally posted by StyleTime
This forum picks the weirdest times to defend Wolverine. X already trained to overcome the berserker rage, and Wolverine wasn't too keen on testing him again.

While X's stock has fallen, the Iron Fist incident is still being overblown. It was one hit, and X was totally fine afterwards. It was PIS imo anyway, as using drunken style doesn't negate the fact that you're still thinking about your damn moves.

Not defending wolverine just not overhyping X. He has two good showings. That's it, people are suggesting he beats Parker when parker has dealt with better MAs and proficient telepaths. Ridiculous

Originally posted by StyleTime
This forum picks the weirdest times to defend Wolverine. X already trained to overcome the berserker rage, and Wolverine wasn't too keen on testing him again.

While X's stock has fallen, the Iron Fist incident is still being overblown. It was one hit, and X was totally fine afterwards. It was PIS imo anyway, as using drunken style doesn't negate the fact that you're still thinking about your damn moves.





Everyone recognize this...it's just certain individuals that doesn't. Good post though.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not defending wolverine just not overhyping X. He has two good showings. That's it, people are suggesting he beats Parker when parker has dealt with better MAs and proficient telepaths. Ridiculous

No one said he can or can't beat Parker. You said Wolverine, Danny, and Spiderman can SOLO this group which is underrating the peeps here imo.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I said one shot. He was rendered ineffective unless u can provide a scan of him returning to the fight which u can't.

I'm over X he's not even relevant as Shiva is a greater fighter

When though? Show us him being koed. It doesn't work like that...you need to provide proof of said ko from a single freaking hit.

Lol...Shiva isn't stomping Wolverine or Task Master like X did. Get out kf here with that.

Thunderbolts, the terrible issue written by Remender who did not give a single f*ck about that T-Bolts team. They jobbed hard the entire comic.

Originally posted by carver9
When though? Show us him being koed. It doesn't work like that...you need to provide proof of said ko from a single freaking hit.

Lol...Shiva isn't stomping Wolverine or Task Master like X did. Get out kf here with that.

Y do u keep saying koed? I said one shot. Im saying it again he was one shot. There is no scan of him being koed but we dont see him again during that fight so it's a safe assumption he was rendered ineffective. And Spider-Man would solo this group as would Rand. X is nothing without his tp

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y do u keep saying koed? I said one shot. Im saying it again he was one shot. There is no scan of him being koed but we dont see him again during that fight so it's a safe assumption he was rendered ineffective. And Spider-Man would solo this group as would Rand. X is nothing without his tp

SMDH. Ok.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thunderbolts, the terrible issue written by Remender who did not give a single f*ck about that T-Bolts team. They jobbed hard the entire comic.
Remender's writing power level is so variable. He's trans sometimes and low street at other times.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y do u keep saying koed? I said one shot. Im saying it again he was one shot. There is no scan of him being koed but we dont see him again during that fight so it's a safe assumption he was rendered ineffective. And Spider-Man would solo this group as would Rand. X is nothing without his tp
You talking about the Iron Fist thing? You do see him again there. Iron Fist was thrown out of a window by Ghost before X could respond with anything. He was shown standing there right afterwards though.

Even if X needs his telepathy to be threat, he has it here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thunderbolts, the terrible issue written by Remender who did not give a single f*ck about that T-Bolts team. They jobbed hard the entire comic.

Don't worry. It's just one person who is clinging to those showings in a way to lowball X. Does anyone else have opinions on who could beat this team?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Remender's writing power level is so variable. He's trans sometimes and low street at other times.

You talking about the Iron Fist thing? You do see him again there. Iron Fist was thrown out of a window by Ghost before X could respond with anything. He was shown standing there right afterwards though.

Even if X needs his telepathy to be threat, he has it here.

Lol...that's why I was asking her to show him being koed because it never happened.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thunderbolts, the terrible issue written by Remender who did not give a single f*ck about that T-Bolts team. They jobbed hard the entire comic.

Wade embaressed his Tbolt team worse. They DID take Danny down pretty quickly. Remender wrote a strong Danny, but Claremont and especially Priest have written him to near godly levels.

I agree X was piled on pretty hard. Ended up getting smacked around three times in a row, and ended the issue in a body cast.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Remender's writing power level is so variable. He's trans sometimes and low street at other times.

You talking about the Iron Fist thing? You do see him again there. Iron Fist was thrown out of a window by Ghost before X could respond with anything. He was shown standing there right afterwards though.

Even if X needs his telepathy to be threat, he has it here.

What are u talking about? Im saying even with his tp now that his secret is out he's not as effective

Is Luke Cage low meta?

Originally posted by golem370
Is Luke Cage low meta?

Not under bendis

Originally posted by cdtm
Wade embaressed his Tbolt team worse. They DID take Danny down pretty quickly. Remender wrote a strong Danny, but Claremont and especially Priest have written him to near godly levels.

I agree X was piled on pretty hard. Ended up getting smacked around three times in a row, and ended the issue in a body cast.

At least Wade got the living shit beaten out of him by Berserker Osborn at the end.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are u talking about? Im saying even with his tp now that his secret is out he's not as effective

How is his TP not effective?

Originally posted by carver9
How is his TP not effective?

His tp won't do anything to Parker who's faster stronger and has his own precog which eclipses x. Danny has shown to counter it as has logan. U act like telepathy is new to these guys. And peter gas already faced a better version of X and done fine

X is pretty damn fast, shocked Taskmaster, evaded Wolverine, deflected bullets with ease...

Iron Fist also landed one hit in a PIS filled situation that ignores how Mr. X's powers actually work. Not sure how he counters X in a forum fight, or Wolverine for that matter. Peter...maybe.

Originally posted by carver9
X will more than likely dodge it along with Task Master. Let's not pretend like Danny is fighting some chumps here and X would probably read that attack coming from a mile away. No denying this. If he was able to mentally read Logan every movement, he sure as hell can do it against Danny.

Logan was fighting kind of stupidly. The man has a healing factor and unbreakable bones, he could have tanked a punch just to grab an arm, or stick him on a counter.

Body reading kind of falls apart as soon as the precog makes an attack, where he has to get close..

Anyways, ftr Danny's Iron Fist has been known to create a shockwave effect on a miss. Knocked down an entire room of thugs, AND Cage.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
His tp won't do anything to Parker who's faster stronger and has his own precog which eclipses x. Danny has shown to counter it as has logan. U act like telepathy is new to these guys. And peter gas already faced a better version of X and done fine

Lol... Task Master couldn't even land a blow on X, now take a look at Task Master fight against Parker. This is nonsense you are spouting...straight up crazy. I'm pretty sure you knew about this fight (lol). He outright owns Black Widow, WHILE slapping bullets out of the air with ease.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3806745-3769784425-29356.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3806737-3865380514-29356.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3806731-0857499689-29356.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3806728-3544284877-29357.jpg

Do I need to tell you how skilled Black Widow? Also, did you see his last fight against Logan?

Originally posted by cdtm
Logan was fighting kind of stupidly. The man has a healing factor and unbreakable bones, he could have tanked a punch just to grab an arm, or stick him on a counter.

Body reading kind of falls apart as soon as the precog makes an attack, where he has to get close..

Anyways, ftr Danny's Iron Fist has been known to create a shockwave effect on a miss. Knocked down an entire room of thugs, AND Cage.

... look at the fights.

Originally posted by carver9
... look at the fights.

The way I remember it, Logan was all attack, and Mr. X kept dodging and countering.

Which is the backwards way to do it. If. Logan played defense and counter, Mr. X has two choices: Stay away or get stuck as he advances to land a punch.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
X is pretty damn fast, shocked Taskmaster, evaded Wolverine, deflected bullets with ease...

Stilt I can't quite remember but you might know, was it a (more) recent digital comic by Tieri which showed X being able to adapt to Wolverine's berserker rage?

Originally posted by cdtm
The way I remember it, Logan was all attack, and Mr. X kept dodging and countering.

Which is the backwards way to do it. If. Logan played defense and counter, Mr. X has two choices: Stay away or get stuck as he advances to land a punch.

Let's say if Logan would've went on the defense, do you think Mr. X would've read his moves let alone his intentions? Think about it, X knew his moves before Logan did anything so what difference would it have made if he went offense or defense.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Stilt I can't quite remember but you might know, was it a (more) recent digital comic by Tieri which showed X being able to adapt to Wolverine's berserker rage?

It was a one-shot. Wolverine: Mr. X #1.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25153

That specific training was mentioned again in some issue of Deadpool Team-Up.

Tieri's getting desperate.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's say if Logan would've went on the defense, do you think Mr. X would've read his moves let alone his intentions? Think about it, X knew his moves before Logan did anything so what difference would it have made if he went offense or defense.

Because then it comes down to speed and reflex. Lets say Mr. X lands a kick at Wolverine's side. Logan isn't prepared in advance, but he still manages to counter on reflex because of all his training.

Nothing to read there, because Logan is working off muscle memory and reactions.

It's a large part of why Spidey often gets tagged, despite his SS. Landing a jump kick to the back of Steel Serpents head, for example, and getting tagged in mid air despire knowing it's coming.

Scorp, Danny, Doc Oct, Tombstone, and others (Hell, even Logan to Spider Oct) approaching his speed level all manage to catch him flat footed like that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was a one-shot. Wolverine: Mr. X #1.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25153

That specific training was mentioned again in some issue of Deadpool Team-Up.

Is deadpool teamup Canon?

Yes.

Originally posted by golem370
Low Meta power cap. Hand to hand combat only and you can pick three. Who could beat these three?

Ambrose Chase
Creeper
Multiple Man.

Am assuming they can use their powers, but the actual fighting is hand to hand (so Multiple Man can't go out and raid an armoury, for example).

Elixir
Mercury
Rose Tattoo

Or

Constantine Drakon
Spider-Woman
Midnighter.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

Really? Where'd u get that from

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Really? Where'd u get that from

Aside from Mr X one-shot mention, the comic even references the Bloodsport tournament from Wolverine v3, it's as canon as it can be.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because then it comes down to speed and reflex. Lets say Mr. X lands a kick at Wolverine's side. Logan isn't prepared in advance, but he still manages to counter on reflex because of all his training.

Nothing to read there, because Logan is working off muscle memory and reactions.

It's a large part of why Spidey often gets tagged, despite his SS. Landing a jump kick to the back of Steel Serpents head, for example, and getting tagged in mid air despire knowing it's coming.

Scorp, Danny, Doc Oct, Tombstone, and others (Hell, even Logan to Spider Oct) approaching his speed level all manage to catch him flat footed like that.

None of what you said will work and this is why.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3507664-mr.+x.jpg

Spiderman and X powers are nothing alike.

That's why he couldn't read Logan.

He has trouble reading instinct and reflex, and Danny and Spidey both have answers to that (Not only by the drunken style example, ftr.)

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why he couldn't read Logan.

He has trouble reading instinct and reflex, and Danny and Spidey both have answers to that (Not only by the drunken style example, ftr.)

He had trouble reading Logan because of Logan's berserker rage. Not because of some type of skill. Logan's berserker rage clouded his mind which resulted in X not being able to read his thoughts.

Where did you get he have trouble reading instinct and reflexes?

Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

Everyone does.

Originally posted by cdtm
There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

No magic, but it IS unique. You won't find another berserker that retains his skills during the rage.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

So your entire argument is based off of berserker rage? Something that X trained for later on. Berserker rage won't even work anymore and using it goes against the tactic you brought up anyways.

Originally posted by carver9
So your entire argument is based off of berserker rage? Something that X trained for later on. Berserker rage won't even work anymore and using it goes against the tactic you brought up anyways.

No, that's not my argument. I'm simply responding to your question as to why I believe Mr. X would have trouble reading instinctual reflex.

And you're right about Mr. X's tp and the SS being different. SS is a lot better, because it warns against the direction of danger, as well as severity of said danger, and isn't reliant in neural impulses.

But my main point, is Spidey KNEW an attack was coming, and couldn't do anything about it. Because he wasn't fast enough to avoid it.

And Mr. X isn't much faster then Logan, if at all. If Logan went on the defense, one of two things could happen:

Mr. X knows what Logans up to, and keeps his distance. Stalemate.

Or, Mr. X takes his chances and attacks. Precog or not, that creates openings, especially against a guy with adamantium claws.

How would that create openings when X will know what Logan next move is? He is fast enough to dodge whatever set up Logan is trying to deploy. Wolverine has had X in killing positions before and got out of them just fine (outside of the times Logan was in a rage).

Originally posted by carver9
How would that create openings when X will know what Logan next move is? He is fast enough to dodge whatever set up Logan is trying to deploy. Wolverine has had X in killing positions before and got out of them just fine (outside of the times Logan was in a rage).

Because to attack, you have to advance towards an opponent, and at risk of being attacked yourself, and this particular opponent has obscene damage soak.

Logan could afford to take a hit, or twelve, if it brings X close enough to pop a claw while he's being beat on. I mean, Ali was a lot faster then Frasier, and much more skilled, but Ali kept getting hit because there's no way to really defend against a counter hit when the other guy can take it, and just doesn't care.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because to attack, you have to advance towards an opponent, and at risk of being attacked yourself, and this particular opponent has obscene damage soak.

Logan could afford to take a hit, or twelve, if it brings X close enough to pop a claw while he's being beat on. I mean, Ali was a lot faster then Frasier, and much more skilled, but Ali kept getting hit because there's no way to really defend against a counter hit when the other guy can take it, and just doesn't care.

Can just take it?

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cassandra-cainbat-girl-and-deathstroke-vs-captain-america-and-wolverine-dc-vs-mar-17197.jpg

Are you sure? X is skilled enough to drop Logan with hits that bypassed his healing factor.

Whoa, wait a sec. Let's be fair here, Logan's HF wasn't exactly working at its peak right at that moment.

It was a really busy day for him; shot, stabbed, burned, etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Whoa, wait a sec. Let's be fair here, Logan's HF wasn't exactly working at its peak right at that moment.

It was a really busy day for him; shot, stabbed, burned, etc.

True. There's no denying that since that was the reason X sent the soldier after Logan anyways, to moisten his healing factor up. It was still pretty high though...not at his best but it was still up there.

I think Gorgon (Tomi) would beat their asses.

Originally posted by Rezactic
I think Gorgon (Tomi) would beat their asses.

He's middle meta, I think.

Anyways, my three teams would do it

Bump

My three teams can still do it.

Fantomex
Longshot
Judomaster

Jakita Wagner
Spiderwoman
Beast

So if Longshot could win in a pure hand to hand fight?

He still has his luck powers, just like I assumed. Tasky has his copy powers and X had his powers?

http://m.imgur.com/n3EIYl6

His moves appear random (bad news for Tasky and X) yet, they always work.

They won't be able to get a bead on him, meanwhile, Fantomex os there misdirecting the hell out of everyone (and is immune to X) and Judomaster cannot be hit.

Yeah I guess.

For my 5th team, Jakita physically outclasses everyone here....she could just speed blitz X.

Beast can go feral.

Spiderwoman will have her pheromones (not using her blasts, as its h2h).

Hmm Daken could also be used.

How fast is Jakita? Because X showed fast enough to cut multiple bullets that is pretty fast reaction time.

Jakita is waaaay above Mister X in the physical department. X using his sword to tag bullets isn't all that impressive.

Originally posted by golem370
How fast is Jakita? Because X showed fast enough to cut multiple bullets that is pretty fast reaction time.

This assumes Jakita is fighting X, and not Jessica

But, she's not only fast, but incredibly durable as well (not HF).

Skilled enough to stalemate multiple versions of Batman (not saying X < Bats, but just saying she has skills).

If you google Planetary respect thread, you'll see her feats.

So she's fast, super strong, super durable...AND skilled.

PLUS she has two team mates with her.