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Setting: Tython

Who wins?

Hero. Her shit is just more together.

Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

This.

Far stronger, skilled, and faster. ROTS Anakin wins.

Vader solidly

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

Hero of Tython comfortably.

RotS Anakin is pretty goddamn strong...I don't think he'd have any difficulty with the foes in the HoT class story.

I'm going to sort of cheat and say Anakin beats Light Side HoT by a hair but loses to Dark HoT.

I'm hoping Bioware has a class story expansion somewhere down the line...HoT should be on the level of Revan/Exar Kun when all is said and done.

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

Hero ends up Dookued.

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

How is Anakin Skywalker better then Hero of Tython? Anybody willing to offer an explanation?

What makes you think Hero would last longer then Dooku? As the minority opinion, your explanation comes first.

Anakin

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How is Anakin Skywalker better then Hero of Tython? Anybody willing to offer an explanation?
The fact the Hero of Tython is utterly inferior to Revan is a simple explanation.

Anakin defeats him. HoT is roughly Maul level from feats. maybe slightly above.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact the Hero of Tython is utterly inferior to Revan is a simple explanation.

Anakin is utterly inferior to Revan though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin is utterly inferior to Revan though.

It might go something like:

HoT <= Anakin << Revan

But then at the same time I've seen arguments made that Dooku is on par with Revan (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562151&pagenumber=1). So if that's the case, how could Revan be stronger than a guy who beat a guy equal to himself?

So maybe the only way is to say...

HoT <= Anakin < Dooku <= Revan < Zonakin

It's more like: HoT >/= Revan > Anakin. Zonakin is hard to place, he only existed for a few seconds.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
It might go something like:

HoT <= Anakin << Revan

But then at the same time I've seen arguments made that Dooku is on par with Revan (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562151&pagenumber=1). So if that's the case, how could Revan be stronger than a guy who beat a guy equal to himself?

So maybe the only way is to say...

HoT <= Anakin < Dooku <= Revan < Zonakin
Dooku is not stronger than Revan. Once again, I'm not sure why you believe most of the BS these KMC people post.
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I plan on doing an extensive Revan vs Yoda (Force) and Revan vs Plagueis (Sabers) blog soon, so you can see them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's more like: HoT >/= Revan > Anakin. Zonakin is hard to place, he only existed for a few seconds.

Maybe. HoT and Revan switch places in my mind constantly. Actually putting Anakin behind both, and Zonakin above both, makes the most sense to me now that I think about it.

So victory here might hinge on whether you think Anakin could enter the zone against HoT. I dunno, my HoT could be pretty annoying in her taunts...

Too late Ant I screenshotted it.

http://i.imgur.com/oyYL3oT.png

The fact people put the Hero near Anakin or Revan, despite Revan ragdolling her, disturbs me.

Originally posted by Selenial
Too late Ant I screenshotted it.

http://i.imgur.com/oyYL3oT.png
I'm more impressed by you clicking on my post in like, .002 seconds, than annoyed really.

Another feat for the upcoming respect thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku is not stronger than Revan. Once again, I'm not sure why you believe most of the BS these KMC people post.
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I plan on doing an extensive Revan vs Yoda (Force) and Revan vs Plagueis (Sabers) blog soon, so you can see them.

Well I'm on Revan's side here anyways.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact people put the Hero near Anakin or Revan, despite Revan ragdolling her, disturbs me.

That is no doubt a serious point in favor of Revan, though you also have to take into account MMO shenanigans. Do you really think Bioware cares enough to ensure displays of power are consistent? I mean in one instance Hero is ragdolling weakened Vitiate and mind controlling Tol Braga, and the next she's forced to fight Malgus with a group. That's why I wish SWTOR were singleplayer...more attention to detail.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
What makes you think Hero would last longer then Dooku? As the minority opinion, your explanation comes first.
Hero of Tython have superior combat record and hype then Dooku actually.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
I mean on one hand Hero ragdolled weakened Vitiate and mind controlled Tol Braga/B]
There's your problem. Non-canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's your problem. Non-canon.

I don't think light/dark canon has been established officially. But by your rebuttal, I can tell that you recognize the issue.

Gez, it's like Neph got a sock.

Or its like you're jumping the gun in declaring things non-canon and expecting everyone else to just accept that.

Everyone else does besides you and your sock.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku is not stronger than Revan. Once again, I'm not sure why you believe most of the BS these KMC people post.
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I plan on doing an extensive Revan vs Yoda (Force) and Revan vs Plagueis (Sabers) blog soon, so you can see them. Yeah, as indicated in your respect thread, their force abilities are on two different levels. Honestly, I've never seen anything compelling to indicate that Dooku was above Revan. Possibly the case in saber abilities, but force powers? Absolutely no way.

Don't know why Zonakin is even a thing if he's just the guy that fought on the Invisible Hand. Is there a source that says he was amped or something?

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Yeah, as indicated in your respect thread, their force abilities are on two different levels. Honestly, I've never seen anything compelling to indicate that Dooku was above Revan. Possibly the case in saber abilities, but force powers? Absolutely no way.
I like you.

...I might even add that ROTS Anakin should just be 'all of Anakin's feats before he fell.' Which includes the Invisible Hand duel.

ROTS Vader is the guy who fought Kenobi and lost. If that makes Vader weaker then Anakin, well...the Dark Side may well have made Anakin weaker.

Originally posted by Angelalex242

ROTS Vader is the guy who fought Kenobi and lost. If that makes Vader weaker then Anakin, well...the Dark Side may well have made Anakin weaker.

Well, an uncertain and conflicted state of mind never helps.

Revan is at the same level with Mace, Dooku or Vader at best.

And Anakin wins pretty comfortably against HoT.

Originally posted by McP
Revan is at the same level with Dooku at best.
http://i.imgur.com/aXJjP.jpg

Obviously the truth.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/98d76ef4d7dd0183972028aff5224c0d/tumblr_nj5df0w9K81qe212wo9_500.gif

The Hero wins this one. even a Voice of the Emperor contains a good chunk of his power and being on a force nexus makes it worse.

Also Revan never beat the Hero of Tython and infact Scourge seemed to consider the Hero at full power to be on Revan's level. i mean Why would be bother teaming up with a weaker guy that the one who already failed.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Also Revan never beat the Hero of Tython and infact Scourge seemed to consider the Hero at full power to be on Revan's level. i mean Why would be bother teaming up with a weaker guy that the one who already failed. He only failed because Scourge stabbed him in the back. Scourge himself foresaw that Revan could've won that exchange.

SoR also shows the HoT well below Revan. Honestly, it's time to accept the ground realities(I've always wanted to use that one).

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
He only failed because Scourge stabbed him in the back. Scourge himself foresaw that Revan could've won that exchange. He killed him because he though Revan would loose, and Revan had the Exile and Scourge with him yet Scourge didn't think they would win with there combined power.
Revan could bearly hurt Vitiate with his most powerful attack and yet Vititate grounds him with a single lightning blast

Right. I've yet to see a convincing argument for Hero killing Dooku, let alone Anakin. Since this is ROTS Anakin, not ROTS Vader, he's the Dooku killing model, not the Obi Wan losing model.

Defeating a body that contains a large portion of the emperor's power, while being amped by a dark side nexus battling the Hero who was already tired from previous fighting.

The Emperor was incredibly weakened, and as said multiple times, Revan is far more powerful than the HoT, as shown in game. Let it go.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
He only failed because Scourge stabbed him in the back. Scourge himself foresaw that Revan could've won that exchange.

It's funny, Scourge sees both victory and defeat hundreds of times but he sees only one glimpse of the Hero and that's the best decision to make?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
SoR also shows the HoT well below Revan. Honestly, it's time to accept the ground realities(I've always wanted to use that one).

Anakin can stomp most people due to sheer speed and strength, just like he did Dooku.

It's true. Dooku's best move is fencing, and Anakin WTFPWNED him.

The Knight's obviously one of the most skilled and powerful Jedi, and his raw potential is confirmed to be within the upper echelons of all Force users, but that being said, Anakin bests him in all categories (except perhaps for emotional control).

Nah. I'm sure most people would agree that the Hero is better at mental resistance and TP at least.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. I'm sure most people would agree that the Hero is better at mental resistance and TP at least.
Sure, but would that make a difference in this fight?

Well she could mind-rape him. But I was more responding to the constant claims that Anakin is better in every way.

Hero is underestimated. I think Anakin would ultimately win, but it'd be a lot closer than most people think.

Originally posted by Trocity
Been done, Anakin is better at everything.

I meant in relation to a fight.