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Vader from Return of the Jedi, Iron Man from the MCU - Iron Man 3. Battle takes place in an abandoned downtown Miami. Starting distance is 20 feet.

Tribeams FTW

Iron man.

Even though his IM3 armour was weak compared to his Avengers suit (IM3 suits got torn apart by Extremis guys, yet his Avengers armour could tank Thor's lightning at point blank, and only suffered superficial heat damage), it should still probably give Tony the win. Too many random weapons and projectiles that can be fired even if IM is stationary, so even if Vader tries the force, Tony can still fight back in spades. The fact that Tony has Jarvis to auto-target for him also helps.

Vader chokes out Tony or he could for shits and giggles crush Tony's helmet and pop his skull like a grape.

Vader wins another thread

Vader strips Tony of his suit and nipple twists him with the Force

vader takes this

Force choke for the win.

force

Iron Man is an athiest. Vader finds his lack of faith disturbing...

Lets be real here, Tony has enough fire power to get out to rape Vadar even if he goes for a Choke..Vadar is a glass cannon when compared to Tony. Between his missiles, unibeam, tri beam, shoulder cluster missiles, arm missiles and everything else, no way Vadar is taking him.

I think the problem here is range. Fights that start at .5kms mean that Vader (who has shown extremely long range with is firce choke, it looks like any within visual range) can start off with a choke from the get-go. And most of Tony's weaponry aren't at those range IIRC.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think the problem here is range. Fights that start at .5kms mean that Vader (who has shown extremely long range with is firce choke, it looks like any within visual range) can start off with a choke from the get-go. And most of Tony's weaponry aren't at those range IIRC.

Op says fight starts at 20ft.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Op says fight starts at 20ft.

Whoops. Didn't see that. Serves me right for speed reading. Lol.

In that case, I give the rich boy the edge.

Originally posted by Robtard
Vader chokes out Tony or he could for shits and giggles crush Tony's helmet and pop his skull like a grape.

Vader wins another thread

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lets be real here, Tony has enough fire power to get out to rape Vadar even if he goes for a Choke..Vadar is a glass cannon when compared to Tony. Between his missiles, unibeam, tri beam, shoulder cluster missiles, arm missiles and everything else, no way Vadar is taking him.

The problem is Vader doesn't have to aim. He doesn't even have to gesture. As soon as the fight starts Stark's throat is crushed.

Originally posted by ares834
The problem is Vader doesn't have to aim. He doesn't even have to gesture. As soon as the fight starts Stark's throat is crushed.

But the choke was never an instant kill. It took time, and the way Tony's suit works, it is connected neurally with his brain, so all he has to think and it happens. Adding in Jarivs is overkill, if he was somehow unable to think, Jarvis would do the rest.

Vader can crush metal objects as seen at the end of RotS. He can crush throats the same way.

Originally posted by ares834
Vader can crush metal objects as seen at the end of RotS. He can crush throats the same way.

I see your point. I still think it comes down to who is quicker on the draw and tony was shown to be pretty quick and with his neurolink, its as fast as he can think.

Not all metal is equal. Being able to crush some medical tanks and droids in a fit or rage does not mean he can instantly crush IM's armour and throat before IM can let loose any one of the several weapons he has in his suit. Feats suggest fine uses of power require a bit more time and concentration. Tony only needs to think to let his weapons loose.

He doesn't have to crush IM's suit though. Just his neck.

Ok so Tony dies in the process of letting his weapons out, killing Vadar. Jarvis wins. :P

I see you repping Vadar atm so I'm not going to change your mind.

he can manuver the shoulder rockets out of the way, or move IM's body so the repulsors cannot hit vader. if vader cant beat the neuro link straight off the bat he still takes the drawn out battle

Vader only crushed the Droid in a fit of rage because he found out he was the cause of Padme's death. He never again displayed that power.

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
he can manuver the shoulder rockets out of the way, or move IM's body so the repulsors cannot hit vader. if vader cant beat the neuro link straight off the bat he still takes the drawn out battle

Thats assuming he has the TK power shown on screen with someone like Neo or Phoenix or Magneto to block multiple incoming projectiles right?

Originally posted by KingD19
Vader only crushed the Droid in a fit of rage because he found out he was the cause of Padme's death. He never again displayed that power.

Let's not kid ourselves here. Crushing a droid like that requires dozens of times the power to crush a larynx. So unless you think Vader was literally dozens of times more powerful there your point is kinda moot.

Not to mention Luke in ESB was able to lift an X-Wing partway and Vader is shown to be far more powerful at the time in their duel.

Raw strength does not equal more control. He showed he had the raw power to do it while angry. He never performed an instant throat or metal crush focused at a very small, specific area. Based on feats, it requires a bit more effort to focus his powers like that. If you want to claim he can, post proof that he can instantly crush a very specific area on a very specific target, while not being consumed by his rage.

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
he can manuver the shoulder rockets out of the way, or move IM's body so the repulsors cannot hit vader. if vader cant beat the neuro link straight off the bat he still takes the drawn out battle

That's assuming Vader has the ability to simultaneously tk dozens of extremely fast, extremely small, target-seeking explosive projectiles, that zip all over the place. Deflecting blaster bolts is not quite the same thing. They move in a straight line and don't explode on impact.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Raw strength does not equal more control. He showed he had the raw power to do it while angry. He never performed an instant throat or metal crush focused at a very small, specific area. Based on feats, it requires a bit more effort to focus his powers like that. If you want to claim he can, post proof that he can instantly crush a very specific area on a very specific target, while not being consumed by his rage.

You do realize Vader is a Sith Lord right? He is always consumed by rage. Regardless, you're entire argument hinges on the notion that Vader is dozens of times more powerful at the end of RotS. If you honestly believe that he was, that's fine by me. I, however, think it's an absolutely asinine line of "logic".

That's not quite how it works. Being a Sith doesn't make you Bruce Banner where you're always angry all the time. Vader had never been as angry as he was when Sidious told him Padme was dead and it was his fault.

Anger and rage make you stronger in the dark side, but there are levels. He was calm and focused through the original trilogy. So he wasn't as powerful. Also he didn't even mean to so the Force Crush from the looks of it. It was just his power lashing out with no direction or focus.

Even if we assume Vader is more powerful in that scene (and I doubt that he is considering his lack of Sith training), the difference in power between crushing a droid and a throat is so great that I can't logically see anyway he would be incapable of doing the latter even when far weaker.

Originally posted by ares834
Even if we assume Vader is more powerful in that scene (and I doubt that he is considering his lack of Sith training), the difference in power between crushing a droid and a throat is so great that I can't logically see anyway he would be incapable of doing the latter even when far weaker.

He lacked Sith training but he was the most powerful force user in existence. Him doing things with ease without proper training was because of his raw power.

A lot of it is is assumptions, could he lift the X Wing out of the lake? We will never know..Would his raw power allow him to, or would it take training?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He lacked Sith training but he was the most powerful force user in existence. Him doing things with ease without proper training was because of his raw power.

Sure. But with proper training his raw power should increase as well.

Plus Lucas (and the old EU) made it clear that his potential was reduced after his defeat at Mustafar. Although, thankfully, Disney seems to have jets ones that little fact.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But with proper training his raw power should increase as well.

To me it seemed like his power decreased the more body parts he lost. Something tells me he would have more midiclorians if he had more parts of his body. Like you would have more red blood cells with more tissue, and less if you didn't have your legs and arms.

Well when he crushes the droid the is in he suit so it's a moot point.

I also hate that line of logic as it completely undermines Yoda "Judge you by my size, do you."

Originally posted by ares834
Well when he crushes the droid he is in he suit so it's a moot point.

Yea I guess, I dunno why they made Vadar so feeble in 1-3. If he was as powerful as he was supposed to be, he could have stopped the Falcon from leaving Hoth IMO. But maybe that is overdoing it.

Vader can repel the projectiles easily enough, Tonys arsenal wouldn't even touch Vader all the while he's getting his throat crushed via Force choke

Originally posted by relentless1
Vader can repel the projectiles easily enough, Tonys arsenal wouldn't even touch Vader all the while he's getting his throat crushed via Force choke

How do you repel a laser or unibeam?

he does just that in Empire when Han shoots a lazer at him

Originally posted by relentless1
he does just that in Empire when Han shoots a lazer at him

Tri beam cutting laser is a little different then a blaster though.

maybe, i think its inconclusive either way but he does have a lightsaber that can block what his force powers can't.

Wasn't Vader's suit equipped with energy dampening materials though? I may be remembering wrong, or remembering something from the old EU/Legends codexes.

But I do recall the reason Vader was able to deflect Han's DL44 Blaster shots (Which are said to be powerful enough to swiss cheese Stormtrooper armor relatively easily) and also shrug off glancing lightsaber strikes like the one he got to the shoulder during the ESB duel with Luke, was because his suit was laced with something similar to Cortosis weave.

I'm the EU it's been stated both ways. But in the movies itself, it's quite clearly a force power considering we see Dooku do the same thing to his lightning in AotC.

Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm the EU it's been stated both ways. But in the movies itself, it's quite clearly a force power considering we see Dooku do the same thing to his lightning in AotC.

Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.

The only issue people may have with that is that the Force Lightning is still a Force technique, and should logically be countered by the Force techniques of the target, rather than trying to redirect/absorb/counter energy from weapons fire.

That said, Vader was killed by stray discharges of Palpatine's Force Lightning.

Is it Iron man after Age of Ultron or before that ?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The only issue people may have with that is that the Force Lightning is still a Force technique, and should logically be countered by the Force techniques of the target, rather than trying to redirect/absorb/counter energy from weapons fire.

Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That said, Vader was killed by stray discharges of Palpatine's Force Lightning.

Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

Vader. He would either force choke, or crush Tony inside of his suit. I remember when Vader found out he kill his women, he crush everything inside the room instantly in a fit of rage.

Originally posted by ares834
Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.



Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

It was indeed stated Vader had a beskar glove and that let him block the blaster bolt.

Vader never showed the ability of Tutaminis, which is what Yoda used to block lightning. We can't just assume Vader can do it as well as its not a force power that everyone just has like force tk.

Originally posted by ares834
Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.

Not entirely. Consider the different elements that comprise the energy. Force energy is obviously different than superheated tibana gas plasma. The force is malleable, and can be utilised by the power of thought, basically put, a struggle of willpower vs willpower. Energy weapons discharges are.... not susceptible to such things.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

Considering that the energy waves of the force can be manipulated at mere thought and doesn't necessarily require hand gestures, I would say that if Vader was capable of deflecting or absorbing Palp's Lightning attack, especially as uncontrolled as it was at the time, he would have done it.

Originally posted by KingD19
It was indeed stated Vader had a beskar glove and that let him block the blaster bolt.

So I remembered mostly correctly....

Originally posted by KingD19
Vader never showed the ability of Tutaminis, which is what Yoda used to block lightning. We can't just assume Vader can do it as well as its not a force power that everyone just has like force tk.

This is true. We can't really say that all force users can use the entire tree of force abilities. All Force users know the basic techniques, obviously, but tech like force lightning is rare indeed, and tech like shatterpoint, battle meditation, and tutaminis are exceedingly rare.

Originally posted by Robtard
Vader chokes out Tony or he could for shits and giggles crush Tony's helmet and pop his skull like a grape.

Vader wins another thread

He speaks the truth, grape ape crush FTW

Nobody puts Vader in a corner.

glYfiVhDwGo

Originally posted by Robtard
Nobody puts Vader in a corner.



http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/vader-thinks-your-throat-needs-a-hug.jpg

Energy is energy as far as I'm concerned.

As for the other stuff:

YQf1nas8BO4

At around 3:35 if you want to skip. And many other examples as well.

Originally posted by ares834
Energy is energy as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but.... this statement, is not intelligent.

I mean, there is a difference between electrical energy and radiation, kinetic energy is different from gravitational energy. I should not have to explain this. Simply saying energy is energy in such a broad sense, it is utterly ludicrous, because, under that mentality you could claim Vader could withstand being struck by tank shells. After all, he could absorb the kinetic impact energy, and the explosive detonation energy. Better yet, he could absorb or redirect an AT AT's particle cannon shots. Hell why stop there and lets compare it to the Death Star's main superlaser array? After all, it's all just energy.... right?

Originally posted by ares834
As for the other stuff:

YQf1nas8BO4

At around 3:35 if you want to skip. And many other examples as well.

I'll have a look.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I don't want to sound mean or anything, but.... this statement, is not intelligent.

I mean, there is a difference between electrical energy and radiation, kinetic energy is different from gravitational energy. I should not have to explain this. Simply saying energy is energy in such a broad sense, it is utterly ludicrous, because, under that mentality you could claim Vader could withstand being struck by tank shells. After all, he could absorb the kinetic impact energy, and the explosive detonation energy. Better yet, he could absorb or redirect an AT AT's particle cannon shots. Hell why stop there and lets compare it to the Death Star's main superlaser array? After all, it's all just energy.... right?

I've made that argument many times. I'm talking about the energy of Dooku's lightning and blaster bolts though. Which should be evident by our argument. I apologize for any confusion though. I didn't expect that line to be taken so broadly.

Also nice straw man. The post you quoted makes no mention of scale. In fact, earlier I doubted that Vader could deflect IM's laser due to its power.

Originally posted by ares834
I've made that argument many times. I'm talking about the energy of Dooku's lightning and blaster bolts though. Which should be evident by our argument.

Which are two completely different types of energy. Even it's method of delivery, implementation, source, and methodology is completely different. None of these are considered factors by your claim.

Originally posted by ares834
Also nice straw man. The post you quoted makes no mention of scale. In fact, earlier I doubted that Vader could deflect IM's laser due to its power.

Why? Under the broad sense you wish to utilise, Force Lightning is nothing but a stream of energy, no different from Iron Man's laser, which is also a stream of energy. Under the theory of "energy is merely energy" then scale should not matter as according to the use of the force, it's all as malleable as the rest. Why couldn't he simply reflect the superlaser's beam, or IM's tribeam for that matter??

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Which are two completely different types of energy. Even it's method of delivery, implementation, source, and methodology is completely different. None of these are considered factors by your claim.

In both cases we have a character block a stream of energy with their hand. That one is generated by the force and the other by a blaster should make little difference. Electricity generated through kinetic motion works the same as that generated by geothermal, etc... Now if you really want to over-analyze it and say lightning is the flow of electrons while a blaster bolt appears to be thermal energy then that's you prerogative. I, however, hold it's over analyzing it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why? Under the broad sense you wish to utilise, Force Lightning is nothing but a stream of energy, no different from Iron Man's laser, which is also a stream of energy. Under the theory of "energy is merely energy" then scale should not matter as according to the use of the force, it's all as malleable as the rest. Why couldn't he simply reflect the superlaser's beam, or IM's tribeam for that matter??

Even if we take that line out of context, that does not follow. That "energy is energy" does not mean scale is irrelevant. It just means that, energy is energy. A true enough statement on it's own.

Originally posted by ares834
In both cases we have a character block a stream of energy with their hand. That one is generated by the force and the other by a blaster should make little difference. Now if you really want to over-analyze it and say lightning it the flow of electrons while a blaster bolt appears to be thermal energy then that's you prerogative. I, however, hold it's over analyzing it.

Right, so on the one hand, determining scale is not over analysing, but everything else about it apparently is. Even when the types of damage is completely different.

Originally posted by ares834
Even if we take that line out of context, that does not follow. That "energy is energy" does not mean scale is irrelevant. It just means that, energy is energy. A true enough statement on it's own.

Except when it isn't. The Superlaser thing was an extreme example, but you never did counter the argument that under the mentality you used, Vader should handidly be able to redirect a beam as small as IM's tribeam.

If your altering your stance to, say that the 'INTENSITY' matters, then you are adding in another analytical factor, thus going back over your own "Over-analysing" statement.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Right, so on the one hand, determining scale is not over analysing, but everything else about it apparently is. Even when the types of damage is completely different.

Like I said I'd say it's over-analyzing it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except when it isn't. The Superlaser thing was an extreme example, but you never did counter the argument that under the mentality you used, Vader should handidly be able to redirect a beam as small as IM's tribeam.

If your altering your stance to, say that the 'INTENSITY' matters, then you are adding in another analytical factor, thus going back over your own "Over-analysing" statement.



I'm not altering any stance. As I said right from the start:

Originally posted by ares834
Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.

Originally posted by ares834
Like I said I'd say it's over-analyzing it.

You blackballed me, because I disagreed that all energy is equivelant? And then you want to say I am over analysing it? The problem is, I know, for a fact, that not all energy acts or reacts the same way. This is basic physics knowledge.

Originally posted by ares834


I'm not altering any stance. As I said right from the start:

Which countermands your entire argument against me. You now confuse me, and everyone else, because you blast me for using analysis and logical reasoning regarding Vader's blocking of blaster bolts being entirely different from Dooku and Yoda. Then you try to shut down the debate with a handwave of "Over Analysing" because you couldn't rationally explain it outside of "Energy is Energy, regardless of type, method of use ect, ect."

Lazy, lazy debating tactic. You should not have even addressed my point if you weren't prepared to actually take the time to talk about it.

The problem is you haven't provided any evidence for your claim as well. You say that the energy is different and that appears true enough. But the notion that Vader's glove can deflect blaster bolts isn't supported by the films at all by contrast using the force to deflect energy is. That's my argument in a nutshell.

As for why I hand waved it, it's because it's a movie. Real world physics only go so far.

Originally posted by ares834
The problem is you haven't provided any evidence for your claim as well. You say that the energy is different and that appears true enough. But the notion that Vader's glove can deflect blaster bolts isn't supported by the films at all by contrast using the force to deflect energy is. That's my argument in a nutshell.

Using the force to react fast enough to block the bolts is clear and evident. Less evident, however, is HOW he blocked them. Either the force, or an energy resistant armored glove coupled with his cybernetic hands is an assumption either way. I chose the path that doesn't simply rely on a completely different set of circumstances to justify it. I chose what I consider to be the more reasonable and logical conclusion.

Originally posted by ares834
As for why I hand waved it, it's because it's a movie. Real world physics only go so far.

That's not a reason, that's an excuse. And not a very good one.

All that said, I don't see why I invest this much time on it, it doesn't really bother me all that much, especially considering I am barely here on KMC anymore...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Using the force to react fast enough to block the bolts is clear and evident. Less evident, however, is HOW he blocked them. Either the force, or an energy resistant armored glove coupled with his cybernetic hands is an assumption either way. I chose the path that doesn't simply rely on a completely different set of circumstances to justify it. I chose what I consider to be the more reasonable and logical conclusion.

Fair enough. I'd disagree as my explanation has some basis in the films.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That's not a reason, that's an excuse. And not a very good one.

Nah. It's the best excuse.

Originally posted by ares834
Fair enough. I'd disagree as my explanation has some basis in the films.

I suppose if you are looking for an in-movie example of Vader's suit being energy resistant, I need look no further than it shrugging off a glancing blow form a Lightsaber in the same movie.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah. It's the best excuse.

Not really. Even movies need some foundations.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I suppose if you are looking for an in-movie example of Vader's suit being energy resistant, I need look no further than it shrugging off a glancing blow form a Lightsaber in the same movie.

Not his glove however. It appears to be his thicker shoulder armor. Meanwhile, in RotJ, Luke easily cuts through his wrist.

Originally posted by ares834
Not his glove however. It appears to be his thicker shoulder armor. Meanwhile, in RotJ, Luke easily cuts through his wrist.

His glove covers a cybernetic hand, which is made of unknown materials in and of itself.

That said, a glancing hit from a lightsaber is definitely not the same as a full on strike from one. Luke was like Ray Charles at the batters plate at that point, going f**king nuts.

Luke cleaved through both the glove and cybernetic arm though.

Also lightsaber blades seem to be different energy from blaster bolts.

Originally posted by ares834
Luke cleaved through both the glove and cybernetic arm though.

Yes, because it was a full on strike, and not a glancing hit.

You'll notice that when Luke struck Ani's shoulder, he didn't have much power behind that swing, yet he was able to cause Vader pain. Then, when he lopped Vader's hand off, he managed to put all his strength into that hit, and Vader's arm was trapped against the fence.

Originally posted by ares834
Also lightsaber blades seem to be different energy from blaster bolts.

Yes, they are. Blasters (And most energy weapons in SW actually) are actually particle beam weapons that detonate on impact. Lightsabers are thermal photon beams, these heat up when in contact with matter, but don't explode violently, otherwise they wouldn't function as swords. Force Lightning is not a coherent beam of energy, and it is conjured through a quasi-mythical "source of all life" .... thing, much like Dragonball's Chi in a sense.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, because it was a full on strike, and not a glancing hit.

You'll notice that when Luke struck Ani's shoulder, he didn't have much power behind that swing, yet he was able to cause Vader pain. Then, when he lopped Vader's hand off, he managed to put all his strength into that hit, and Vader's arm was trapped against the fence.

It wasn't a glancing blow. It was a full two handed swing. Although, I'll admit, it certainly didn't have as much power behind.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, they are. Blasters (And most energy weapons in SW actually) are actually particle beam weapons that detonate on impact. Lightsabers are thermal photon beams, these heat up when in contact with matter, but don't explode violently, otherwise they wouldn't function as swords. Force Lightning is not a coherent beam of energy, and it is conjured through a quasi-mythical "source of all life" .... thing, much like Dragonball's Chi in a sense.

Once again you are bringing up the EU where force absorb can be used on blasters. Regardless, in the EU there are multiple explanations for what lightsabers and blasters are. Lightsaber blades are most commonly claimed to be plasma while blaster bolts are, like you said, typically portrayed as particle beam weapons. The two are very different.

Originally posted by ares834
It wasn't a glancing blow. It was a full two handed swing. Although, I'll admit, it certainly didn't have as much power behind.

Except it was not, it was a one handed swing from across his body

Originally posted by ares834
Once again you are bringing up the EU where force absorb can be used on blasters. Regardless, in the EU there are multiple explanations for what lightsabers and blasters are. Lightsaber blades are most commonly claimed to be plasma while blaster bolts are, like you said, typically portrayed as particle beam weapons. The two are very different.

What the f..... no I am not. I never even mentioned absorbing of energy weapons fire! I'm pretty bloody sure I am AGAINST that line of thought. Why do you keep stating I am using the EU, when I have explicitly stated to you that I do not even know where that was done?

http://i.imgur.com/TknFlYn.png

Nope. Two handed swing.

I was saying you brought up the EU by saying blasters are particle beam weapons. Simply because blasters are never mentioned to be particle beam weapons in the films nor are lightsaber stated to "thermal photon beams". That's from the EU (well at least the former is).

Don't mind Ares, he struggles with Star Wars material

Still butt hurt from that Gothmog/Sauron debate?

Originally posted by ares834
http://i.imgur.com/TknFlYn.png

Nope. Two handed swing.

I was saying you brought up the EU by saying blasters are particle beam weapons. Simply because blasters are never mentioned to be particle beam weapons in the films nor are lightsaber stated to "thermal photon beams". That's from the EU (well at least the former is).

I'm going to go ahead and say that that is a blow TO THE FRIGGING NECK!!!

Eh, no. I'm simply stating it because they are powered by Tibanna gas. That, I never took from the EU.

Looks that way. Swear the sparks come from the shoulder though.

Where did you get that from then? Certainly don't remember it being mentioned in the films.

Originally posted by ares834
Looks that way. Swear the sparks come from the shoulder though.

It did. But this shot proves that the SXF were not.... entirely.... accurate :P

Originally posted by ares834
Where did you get that from then? Certainly don't remember it being mentioned in the films.

Mostly it is the radio plays, and the graphic novels of the original trilogy, which from what I remember shared equal canon with the movies.

Nope. They are EU and have no bearing in this forum.

Vader's neck tanked a lightsabre, IM can't do a single thing to him /thread

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. They are EU and have no bearing in this forum.

Wrong, so wrong. I'm not talking comics or EU novels, or shit like that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wrong, so wrong. I'm not talking comics or EU novels, or shit like that.
Any thing not originating from the movies or Lucas is EU. So yeah, the Tibanna gas is still EU.

So back to the force crush, he crushed some weak medical droids, how is he crushing Tony's suit that stood up all the damage it has?

Originally posted by ares834
Any thing not originating from the movies or Lucas is EU. So yeah, the Tibanna gas is still EU.

The radioplays and the graphic novels ARE from Lucas! Serioously, do you even canon?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The radioplays and the graphic novels ARE from Lucas! Serioously, do you even canon?

So would force crush work on Tony suit or not?

Well, to be fair, he DID choke ppl inside a separate Star Destroyer. That's thru feet of armor and shields.

Has he ever choked clone/storm troopers?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, to be fair, he DID choke ppl inside a separate Star Destroyer. That's thru feet of armor and shields.

Has he ever choked clone/storm troopers?

Ah I remember the famous quote very well.


"This mechanical monstrosity is nothing compared to the power of the force"

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The radioplays and the graphic novels ARE from Lucas! Serioously, do you even canon?



You have no clue what you are talking about. They are adaptions of the films, not written by Lucas.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah I remember the famous quote very well.


"This mechanical monstrosity is nothing compared to the power of the force"



Still not sure it's gonna work, tho.

Needs to be someone in a suit of armor like a stormtrooper or a merc to be validated.

For now it's all up in the air.

Originally posted by ares834


You have no clue what you are talking about. They are adaptions of the films, not written by Lucas.

*head-desk repeatedly*

F**k it, I can't be bothered anymore.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So would force crush work on Tony suit or not?

I think a better question would be if Vader could stop Tony with his telekinesis (generating enough force energy to make Tony suddenly stop), not sure if he could crush Tony's armor though given it tanked hits from Thor and a tank shell IIRC

I mean he could force crush Tony bypassing the armor completely, main question is if Vader could keep up

Lightsaber cuts through anything.

Captain America's shield wouldn't make it, nor would Wolvie's claws, or even Mjolnir.

A lightsaber would cut through all of them.

I see no reason why Iron Man's suit is any different.

I'd like to see some proof to back up that claim.

Didn't this thread set Tony as the one from IM3. exactly why would Vader have a problem force crushing those suits or Tony for that matter?

Vader has the means too but he has to be really focus otherwise Tony will synapse Vader's suit rendering him helpless to his dearh.Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Didn't this thread set Tony as the one from IM3. exactly why would Vader have a problem force crushing those suits or Tony for that matter?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Lightsaber cuts through anything.

Captain America's shield wouldn't make it, nor would Wolvie's claws, or even Mjolnir.

A lightsaber would cut through all of them.

I see no reason why Iron Man's suit is any different.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Lightsaber cuts through anything.

Captain America's shield wouldn't make it, nor would Wolvie's claws, or even Mjolnir.

A lightsaber would cut through all of them.

I see no reason why Iron Man's suit is any different.

Plot devices are never really seen destroying other plot devices. Gungir and Thor's hammer did no damage to each other even though technically Hammer>Gungir. Same with Caps shield deflecting hammer.

The most powerful weapon in the universe isn't it getting lopped in half by a light saber.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Lightsaber cuts through anything.

Captain America's shield wouldn't make it, nor would Wolvie's claws, or even Mjolnir.

A lightsaber would cut through all of them.

I see no reason why Iron Man's suit is any different. Strong BS here.

I can think of at least one material in the SW universe that lightsabers don't cut through, and it doesn't compare to vibranium or adamantium.

That said, neither does Tony's suit. I give this fight to Vader, unless IM can get off a quickshot before he gets his skull force crushed.

Vader's force choke , he had to be really near his opponent inorder to work. If Originally posted by Arachnid1
Strong BS here.

I can think of at least one material in the SW universe that lightsabers don't cut through, and it doesn't compare to vibranium or adamantium.

That said, neither does Tony's suit. I give this fight to Vader, unless IM can get off a quickshot before he gets his skull force crushed.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
Vader's force choke , he had to be really near his opponent inorder to work. If

Vader has used the force choke against ppl on another Star Destroyer.

That's miles away thru shielding and thru plating and a ship's hull.

Cortosis isn't a metal, though.

It's an alloy, it has traces that can make Vibroblades resistant to lightsaber's for a time.

Even Cortosis has limits when going against a lightsaber though, someone that has a Cortosis-laced weapon is not invulnerable to lightsaber strikes.

All of the otherworldly metals from other verses are not lightsaber-resistant.

What proof do you have that a lightsaber can cut through adamantium, vibranium or Mjolnir?

I don't. But you don't have any proof that they're lightsaber-resistant either.

You're the one that made the claim, that means the burden is on you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're the one that made the claim, that means the burden is on you.

Mjolnir I can see being Lightsaber resistant, given it's mythical status. Vibranium and Adamatium on the other hand.... Movie versions of these metals don't have the feats of their comic counterparts.

That all said, no, Lightsaber do not cut through absolutely anything like an absolute rule. To reference your EU example, things like Sith Alchemy Swords are entirely resistant to lightsaber strikes, Mandalorian Iron is known to resist it, as is Phrik Metal, and cortosis weave. many other things.

Cap's shield which is vibranium withstood a charged strike from Mjolnir.

Mjolnir could resist a lightsaber (well force augmented sticks, swords, bare hands could stop it, so I see no reason something that works not too dis-similarly to such a technique would be unable)



IIRC it took Magneto considerable effort to bend Wolverine's claws in the first movie, same Magneto who was able to lift a stadium and move it, same with the Golden Gate Bridge, make of that what you will

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Mjolnir could resist a lightsaber (well force augmented sticks, swords, bare hands could stop it, so I see no reason something that works not too dis-similarly to such a technique would be unable)



IIRC it took Magneto considerable effort to bend Wolverine's claws in the first movie, same Magneto who was able to lift a stadium and move it, same with the Golden Gate Bridge, make of that what you will

Yeah, and so could pretty much any form of adamantium, or vibranium. Given that they have vastly more impressive feats, especially compared to the Star wars movies.

And... No, Magneto did that effortlessly. Wolverine is literally the worst person to fight Magneto, that's all there is to it. He is super strong, capable of regen, and many other things, which make him a really tough character, but... He's literally MADE of Magneto's strongest weapon.

You're telling me, if Vader went all crazy apeshit on Iron Man's armor like he did when he was Anakin and fighting Ventress, it wouldn't do anything?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You're telling me, if Vader went all crazy apeshit on Iron Man's armor like he did when he was Anakin and fighting Ventress, it wouldn't do anything?

I agree with you and say I'd call bullshit on that supposition.

Ironman's sole means of actual defense against a direct lightsaber attack is not going to be the armor of his suit, but things like energy shields, repulsor fields and the like. His suits are not going to be shrugging off direct lightsaber strikes.

Vader can crush Tony under his armor. He force choked something star systems away without a gesture. Vader and block any beams, force away any missiles as well.

In clone wars, Palpatine force choked a pair of mercs from under their armor, so it looks like force choke does work thru armor.

http://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg

How powerful was the armor, Nib?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
In clone wars, Palpatine force choked a pair of mercs from under their armor, so it looks like force choke does work thru armor.

http://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg wow I never watched that show. It seems awesome. I'm going to watch it.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
How powerful was the armor, Nib?

Looks like Mandalorian mercs. So pretty damned powerful. If you go by EU anyway.

But in SW verse, prolly one of the strongest armor you can get.

Originally posted by h1a8
wow I never watched that show. It seems awesome. I'm going to watch it.

We don't agree on many things, but this I agree with.

On a sidenote, did you know you can watch the entire 2003 CW series all at once on youtube?

Anyway.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
On a sidenote, did you know you can watch the entire 2003 CW series all at once on youtube?

Anyway.

Fuuu..! Really! Free?

Woulda saved me a ton of money on itunes. Lol.