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Alright I was just wondering.


Superman bench pressing earth for a couple days

vs

Spider-Man beating Firelord in hand to hand combat

I'd say both have an equal chance of happening.

Edit: For all we know, it may have already happened.

Spidey actually beat Firelord.
Supes benched the equivalent of the earth. Or something. On a machine.

Spidey seems to be the right answer. The answer being, been there done that.

then why not banned that feat of Superman doing that?

Originally posted by golem370
then why not banned that feat of Superman doing that?

You misunderstand rivv's post.

He said that Firelord being beaten is more likely, because it has actually happened. Probability, 1.

Whereas Superman hasn't ACTUALLY benched Earth. He's benched the EQUIVALENT of Earth. So probability, 0.99. Incredibly likely, and for all intents and purposes, probability = 1, but for the purposes of this thread, is edged out by something that has actually happened.

And Superman bench pressing didn't? Even though it was referenced several times and Superman actually has a better strength feat than it?

LMAO

And FTR, spidey didn't beat firelord in h2h. He first exhausted him with several big explosions and a merry go round across the city.

It didn't happen in a slugfest, y'know.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman bench pressing didn't? Even though it was referenced several times and Superman actually has a better strength feat than it?

LMAO

Exactly, it didn't happen. Nitpicking semantics here, but if you read OP carefully, he asks which is more likely. Superman never actually benched the Earth itself - he benched the equivalent mass, sure, but he never actually laid hands on DCnU Earth itself, got under it in a benchpress position, and pressed.

So to answer golem, one of them actually happened, and the other didn't. So probability 1, vs probability 0.99 (you can have 99 recurring, if you want).

Originally posted by abhilegend
And FTR, spidey didn't beat firelord in h2h. He first exhausted him with several big explosions and a merry go round across the city.

It didn't happen in a slugfest, y'know.

Well, the slugfest was what put him down in the end, no? The straw that broke the camel's back etc...

So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misunderstand rivv's post.

He said that Firelord being beaten is more likely, because it has actually happened. Probability, 1.

Whereas Superman hasn't ACTUALLY benched Earth. He's benched the EQUIVALENT of Earth. So probability, 0.99. Incredibly likely, and for all intents and purposes, probability = 1, but for the purposes of this thread, is edged out by something that has actually happened.
Yup.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, the slugfest was what put him down in the end, no? The straw that broke the camel's back etc...
But it didn't happen due to h2h slugfest. It was one reasons of many.

You remove the explosions and exhaustion and Peter wouldn't have been able to KO him.

Originally posted by golem370
then why not banned that feat of Superman doing that?
It would cause the equivalent of a riot on the site.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood?

It's comics. If the writers wanted Superman to bench the equivalent of 1.2 Earth, that would have happened. Five days, a week, two days - all arbitrarily determined for a fictional character.

Equivalent to its weight mean equal to its weight. Nothing more, nothing less. Does not mean he can, although, like I said, probability 0.99999999 recurring. As, until it ACTUALLY happens on panel, we cannot give it a probability of 1, even though for heuristic purposes, we might as well treat it as 1.

Is your desire to see Superman win at everything so strong? You cannot possibly argue that Superman definitely, 100%, no margin of error, Probability = 1, will bench the Earth for a couple of days. Because it hasn't happened. What HAS happened, is Superman benching something that was equivalent to its mass (but NOT the Earth) for five days straight, with no sun. And what HAS happened, is Spiderman landing a punch on Firelord (weakened/tired, OP never specifies) and beating him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood? I'm not arguing one way or the other but I did want to point out that just because different items have equal weight does not mean you will be able lift those different items with the same ease. Things like bulkiness, object, and shape of rigidness come into play.

For instance bench pressing 200 pounds on a normal bar and bench is much easier than trying to bench press a 200 pound log that is 2 foot in diameter.

You are trying to overcomplicate a simple scene. The same writer had Superman explicitly exceed the power level of earth bench pressing.

Now I don't see why We need to analyze whether he can do it again or not when he has already exceeded it.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not arguing one way or the other but I did want to point out that just because different items have equal weight does not mean you will be able lift those different items with the same ease. Things like bulkiness, object, and shape of rigidness come into play.

For instance bench pressing 200 pounds on a normal bar and bench is much easier than trying to bench press a 200 pound log that is 2 foot in diameter.
See above.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to overcomplicate a simple scene. The same writer had Superman explicitly exceed the power level of earth bench pressing.

Now I don't see why We need to analyze whether he can do it again or not when he has already exceeded it. I said I wasn't arguing one way or the other. Just pointing out a simple mistake on your part. Bench pressing on a machine that gives you a normal bar is drastically different than bench pressing a much bulkier unwieldier item.

It does make a difference.

Also most of the CBvF is breaking down simple scenes and going over them with a fine comb thus overcomplicating them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to overcomplicate a simple scene. The same writer had Superman explicitly exceed the power level of earth bench pressing.

Now I don't see why We need to analyze whether he can do it again or not when he has already exceeded it.

Until it happens, probability is < 1. Y/N?

When it happens, probability = 1. Y/N?

Has it actually happened? No.

Golem only created this thread because he somehow views the two things as equally ridiculous - which I find, in turn, ridiculous itself, for the reasons you have mentioned.

HOWEVER, one has indeed happened in this crazy world of fictional characters. We saw how Beyonders go from one issue of killing the LT, and the next, hundreds fighting Thor/Hype. Anything can happen. That still means that until it happens, the probability is <1....

I don't see why We have to use probability in this case? Are we trying to use h1 methods here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't see why We have to use probability in this case? Are we trying to use h1 methods here?

Its a thread about which is more likely - I thought probability was the way to go lol.

No, it's not. It's comparing a scene which was exceeded by the character and a scene where several other factors dictate the fight.

Because OP is butthurt by the first feat for some reason.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it's not. It's comparing a scene which was exceeded by the character and a scene where several other factors dictate the fight.

Because OP is butthurt by the first feat for some reason. Spiderman DID beat firelord on panel in full view of every person that read that comic. Supermans benching feat was a STATEMENT from a character, he never lifted the earth, he was in a braced position on a machine. Spidermans feat happened, supermans did not. Do you want me to show you statements made about other characters that has not happened and you yourself dismiss because it hurts your outlandish view of superman?

So somehow it doesn't counts even though it was explicitly referenced later because your ass chafed because of it?

Sorry, can't do that. Cry some more.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So somehow it doesn't counts even though it was explicitly referenced later because your ass chafed because of it?

Sorry, can't do that. Cry some more. Did he bench the earth or not? Simple question, simple answer.

Dont awnser it Abhi!!

I don't know why anyone feels Spider-Man beating Firelord is more likely. Sure, it happened in a comic. Doesn't mean it is more likely, because it was nonsense. What Supes did was not nonsense.

Originally posted by JBL
Did he bench the earth or not? Simple question, simple answer.

Here is the problem with this silly line of thought. You said it was a statement that Superman bench pressed the Earth. Except no, not really, not the way you are trying to make it seem. This wasn't a random dude who said "Superman could probably bench press the planet for days!" this wasn't even a scientist theorizing what Superman was capable of, it was a guy reading stats off a piece of tech made to measure strength.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know why anyone feels Spider-Man beating Firelord is more likely. Sure, it happened in a comic. Doesn't mean it is more likely, because it was nonsense. What Supes did was not nonsense.

It IS more likely, because it has actually happened, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It IS more likely, because it has actually happened, lol.

But then this isn't Spider-Man you are discussing. It's Spider-Man specifically from whatever comic issue the Firelord thing happened in. Because the character of Spider-Man overall is by no means more likely to beat Firelord.

Just so you are clear, the issue in question? Features quotes like "not even a herald of galactus could survive that!" in reference to an explosion that took out a mere few city blocks. Keep in mind Firelord can fly through stars. Are you sure you want to use this issue as a basis for it being very likely Spider-Man can do this? I'm more likely to win the lottery 20 times in a row.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know why anyone feels Spider-Man beating Firelord is more likely. Sure, it happened in a comic. Doesn't mean it is more likely, because it was nonsense. What Supes did was not nonsense.



Here is the problem with this silly line of thought. You said it was a statement that Superman bench pressed the Earth. Except no, not really, not the way you are trying to make it seem. This wasn't a random dude who said "Superman could probably bench press the planet for days!" this wasn't even a scientist theorizing what Superman was capable of, it was a guy reading stats off a piece of tech made to measure strength. I dont care what that guy was reading. Superman never benched the earth, he never lifted the earth, the earth never moved, it was a calculation on a machine. There was no statement about spiderman being able to beat firelord, there was no machine and a human calculating his chances, spiderman beat the actual character on panel. Supermans feat did not a thing to the actual earth. What is so hard to understand about that??

Originally posted by JBL
I dont care what that guy was reading. Superman never benched the earth, he never lifted the earth, the earth never moved, it was a calculation on a machine. There was no statement about spiderman being able to beat firelord, there was no machine and a human calculating his chances, spiderman beat the actual character on panel. Supermans feat did not a thing to the actual earth. What is so hard to understand about that??

None of what you just said means Supes couldn't bench press the Earth. So sure, if you are merely arguing we never actually saw him on panel do it, you'd be right and I'd apologize for calling your line of thought silly.

If you're using this to imply he couldn't lift a weight equivalent to the Earth or something..that is a problem.

Originally posted by golem370
Superman bench pressing earth for a couple days

vs

Spider-Man beating Firelord in hand to hand combat Superman has shown he has the strength to easily move earthweight. Actually moving the planet itself would require some sort of compensation for tidal forces, so the planet doesn't break apart, as well as a gargantuan platform to push against. Ergo, I see Superman visiting Space Depot (ie, where he gets those planet-towing chains from) for supplies to reinforce Earth's structure. If the feat still proves tough, it isn't due to lack of superstrength but lack of planetary structural integrity. But essentially: prep the planet and Supes will move it.

Spider-Man beat Firelord but definitely not through h2h. At best, Spider-Man won through tactics (eg, using the environment); at worst, he won via PIS. A direct h2h confrontation between the two would otherwise leave one fried spider.

Ergo, imo, Superman's feat is more likely.

Originally posted by Surtur
But then this isn't Spider-Man you are discussing. It's Spider-Man specifically from whatever comic issue the Firelord thing happened in. Because the character of Spider-Man overall is by no means more likely to beat Firelord.

Just so you are clear, the issue in question? Features quotes like "not even a herald of galactus could survive that!" in reference to an explosion that took out a mere few city blocks. Keep in mind Firelord can fly through stars. Are you sure you want to use this issue as a basis for it being very likely Spider-Man can do this? I'm more likely to win the lottery 20 times in a row.

I've got the issue in question on my desk now. Where he has actually done it.

Have you got 20 winning lottery tickets?

Has dc or marvel earth ever been moved in continuity?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has dc or marvel earth ever been moved in continuity?

Obsidian Age, Kyle did it. Supes/WW/MM were kinda doing it, but it was slipping.

Manjobber was manjobbing so bad, even the combined power of Supes and Diana couldn't help

Talk about overcomplicating a simple situation...

Originally posted by riv6672
Talk about overcomplicating a simple situation...

Be thankful people are even responding. Earth prime has plot armor he can't replicate the "actual" feat

I wasnt complaining, this is great reading.

Originally posted by riv6672
I wasnt complaining, this is great reading.

I know

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has dc or marvel earth ever been moved in continuity?

Kyle did it with his Superior Strength.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has dc or marvel earth ever been moved in continuity?
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23002005_7418847.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23002006_2041157.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23002007_5791920.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23002008_8769948.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23002009_7864626.jpg

All I can see is Canary's ass in the first panel.

Originally posted by JBL
Did he bench the earth or not? Simple question, simple answer. Originally posted by abhilegend
So somehow it doesn't counts even though it was explicitly referenced later because your ass chafed because of it?

Sorry, can't do that. Cry some more.

I want to see the bench thats in orbit(?) to allow Superman to bench press the earth.

Well the earth weighs 6 sextillion tons,that`s after,quadrillion,and quintillion.Only a skyfather level being should be able to move that kind of weight.That`s why I am not a fan of D.C they never try to follow physics,marvel at least tries(and I am I admit prejudice against D.c when growing up D.C was for kids,and Marvel for adults).I know it is not that way now,but when you here wonder twin powers activate.It takes you back to a poor time in D.C!

The 70s was a LONG time ago...

I know my friend ,nothing personal but old habits die hard when your 47,I experienced a completly different for children D.C universe!

I didn't see a 'Neither' option, but that's where I'm standing.

Originally posted by JBL
I dont care what that guy was reading. Superman never benched the earth, he never lifted the earth, the earth never moved, it was a calculation on a machine. There was no statement about spiderman being able to beat firelord, there was no machine and a human calculating his chances, spiderman beat the actual character on panel. Supermans feat did not a thing to the actual earth. What is so hard to understand about that?? what does it matter. All that matters is that Superman lifted the equivalent weight of the Earth. Who gives a flying f...k whether he lifted the Earth or not.

There isn`t a machine on earth that could ever duplicate that amount of weight anyway so the whole question is bull.And there is no being on earth that can move 6 sextillion tons.Classic Mangog is the only one I would give a chance! becides a Cosmic being.

Originally posted by h1a8
what does it matter. All that matters is that Superman lifted the equivalent weight of the Earth. Who gives a flying f...k whether he lifted the Earth or not.

We go by comics etc etc etc....

Originally posted by Mindship
Superman has shown he has the strength to easily move earthweight. Actually moving the planet itself would require some sort of compensation for tidal forces, so the planet doesn't break apart, as well as a gargantuan platform to push against. Ergo, I see Superman visiting Space Depot (ie, where he gets those planet-towing chains from) for supplies to reinforce Earth's structure. If the feat still proves tough, it isn't due to lack of superstrength but lack of planetary structural integrity. But essentially: prep the planet and Supes will move it.

Spider-Man beat Firelord but definitely not through h2h. At best, Spider-Man won through tactics (eg, using the environment); at worst, he won via PIS. A direct h2h confrontation between the two would otherwise leave one fried spider.

Ergo, imo, Superman's feat is more likely.

This

You would have to have power over molecule man when injured,he still held the planet together.And I am sure could have moved it even before the surfer helped him!

This thread was mainly about allowing certain feats and banning other feats Spider-Man one the fight with his fists that an on panel feat that has been ruled not cannon on this forum because people deemed it not possible but they allow stuff like Superman bench pressing earth equal weight with no problem dragging multiple planets with a chain through space or reference to Superman tossing a ship that was bigger then the earth away like it no problem. Why alow one and not the other?

Originally posted by Mindship
Superman has shown he has the strength to easily move earthweight. Actually moving the planet itself would require some sort of compensation for tidal forces, so the planet doesn't break apart, as well as a gargantuan platform to push against. Ergo, I see Superman visiting Space Depot (ie, where he gets those planet-towing chains from) for supplies to reinforce Earth's structure. If the feat still proves tough, it isn't due to lack of superstrength but lack of planetary structural integrity. But essentially: prep the planet and Supes will move it.

Spider-Man beat Firelord but definitely not through h2h. At best, Spider-Man won through tactics (eg, using the environment); at worst, he won via PIS. A direct h2h confrontation between the two would otherwise leave one fried spider.

Ergo, imo, Superman's feat is more likely.

Originally posted by Bentley
This
Ha, no. Everything described for Superman's feat to happen is just as much PIS as Spidey's feat, which HAS happened.

Originally posted by golem370
This thread was mainly about allowing certain feats and banning other feats Spider-Man one the fight with his fists that an on panel feat that has been ruled not cannon on this forum because people deemed it not possible but they allow stuff like Superman bench pressing earth equal weight with no problem dragging multiple planets with a chain through space or reference to Superman tossing a ship that was bigger then the earth away like it no problem. Why alow one and not the other?

I thought it might be.

Because Spiderman also has trouble with people far below Firelord. That's why. He struggles sometimes with the Vulture, after all. Superman has the supporting feats.

Use the law of averages, if you want. For every Firelord/Masterson Thor etc showing, Spiderman, over the course of his entire career, has many more showings lower than that - some even WAY lower.

For every 'DCnU benching earth' feat, does Superman have the low showings to make you question the feat as an outlier?

THAT will tell you why the forum disregards Spiderman KOing a herald of Galactus, and jizzes all over the Earth benching feat.

Simple case of bias.
Just my opinion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood?

Nobody's saying you can't.

But you haven't.

You've lifted one kilo.

But you haven't lifted one kilo of wood.

So while it's very, very likely that you could (0.99), it's not as likely as you actually having done it (1).

This is not hard to grasp, and DS did obviously not intend it as a slight to Superman.

I hate Superman.

Superman is my favorite DC character so it is not biased on him but the stuff we are allowed to mention and not aloud too. Spider-Man has done stuff repeatedly above is standard power levels so why couldn't it be cannon? I made this comparison a Fire Ant is so small to a person but if they sting that person abunch of times if could kill a person so why not Spider-Man punching Firelord hundreds even thousands of times not drop him plus it has been said that in rare times of stress Spider-Man's strength could increase do to adrenaline plus a similar thing happened to Thor except Thor was able to stop it before it went to far.

Because Firelord navigates as he flies through space at lightspeed.

Originally posted by golem370
Superman is my favorite DC character so it is not biased on him but the stuff we are allowed to mention and not aloud too. Spider-Man has done stuff repeatedly above is standard power levels so why couldn't it be cannon? I made this comparison a Fire Ant is so small to a person but if they sting that person abunch of times if could kill a person so why not Spider-Man punching Firelord hundreds even thousands of times not drop him plus it has been said that in rare times of stress Spider-Man's strength could increase do to adrenaline plus a similar thing happened to Thor except Thor was able to stop it before it went to far.

Repeatedly above?

Spiderman has 1000s of appearances. Maybe even 10,000, once we count all his Avengers etc appearances. Out of all of them, we have the Firelord incident, Masterson Thor, maybe we can count times like when he wasn't beaten to death by Juggy/the Phoenix 5.

So let's say he has 10 great showings against 10 heralds. Out of maybe 10,000 appearances.

And you want to somehow say that THAT is the norm for him?

Additionally, your analogy is more like a baby tapping me once. Then tapping me a hundred times. Are you seriously saying you'd die/be KO'd if a baby tapped you enough times?

Originally posted by golem370
Superman is my favorite DC character so it is not biased on him but the stuff we are allowed to mention and not aloud too. Spider-Man has done stuff repeatedly above is standard power levels so why couldn't it be cannon? I made this comparison a Fire Ant is so small to a person but if they sting that person abunch of times if could kill a person so why not Spider-Man punching Firelord hundreds even thousands of times not drop him plus it has been said that in rare times of stress Spider-Man's strength could increase do to adrenaline plus a similar thing happened to Thor except Thor was able to stop it before it went to far.
Jumping in your bandwagon...i've been labelled anti Superman because i'm okay with the fact that he can be beaten.
I've read posts here where people have literally said they will vote for Superman in a debate whether or not they think he can actually win, because they're Superman fans and thats the right thing to do.
How that makes any sense, and me less of a fan i've yet to figure out.

So anybody who can fly at lightspeed should not be knocked out by fists?

Originally posted by riv6672
Everything described for Superman's feat to happen is just as much PIS as Spidey's feat, which HAS happened. But, but, Spidey didn't beat Firelord h2h. And you said, "hand to hand combat".

As I interpreted your OP, you gave two (both) hypothetical scenarios...
1. Superman benching the actual planet
2. Spider-Man defeating Firelord in h2h combat

...based on actual (approximate) events seen on panel:
1. Superman benching an earth-equivalent weight
2. Spider-Man defeating a tired Firelord via tactics, not direct toe-to-toe)

I thought our job was to take the actual events and extrapolate to see which hypothetical scenario can more likely happen. I believe my post honors the spirit of your intent and is therefore correct.

Look at Riddick Bowes punch drunk ass he can barely speak because of brain damage from being hit in the head over and over again or Chris Benoit with the serious brain injury he sustained because of his head butt of the top ropes. Spider

Originally posted by Mindship
But, but, Spidey didn't beat Firelord h2h. And you said, "hand to hand combat"....As I interpreted your OP, you gave two (both) hypothetical scenarios....I thought our job was to take the actual events and extrapolate to see which hypothetical scenario can more likely happen. I believe my post honors the spirit of your intent and is therefore correct.
Well, not to disparage your use if the smiley but, i just checked all 4 pages of this thread and nowhere did i use the term h2h. My posts honored the spirit of the OPs intent.
Speaking of which, the OP, it wasnt mine, as this isnt my thread.

I feel alittle sheepish I admit this pic I figured the pic of Spider-Man starting the fist fight was the panel before where the Avengers show up and firelord is down. I guess I should have said beat firelord in a fight period

Originally posted by golem370
So anybody who can fly at lightspeed should not be knocked out by fists?
No, but anybody who flies and navigates at lightspeed should be able to see and react to Spidey jumping around him.

On his feet is not as fast as Spider-Man

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Repeatedly above?

Spiderman has 1000s of appearances. Maybe even 10,000, once we count all his Avengers etc appearances. Out of all of them, we have the Firelord incident, Masterson Thor, maybe we can count times like when he wasn't beaten to death by Juggy/the Phoenix 5.

So let's say he has 10 great showings against 10 heralds. Out of maybe 10,000 appearances.

And you want to somehow say that THAT is the norm for him?

Additionally, your analogy is more like a baby tapping me once. Then tapping me a hundred times. Are you seriously saying you'd die/be KO'd if a baby tapped you enough times?

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, not to disparage your use if the smiley but, i just checked all 4 pages of this thread and nowhere did i use the term h2h. My posts honored the spirit of the OPs intent.
Speaking of which, the OP, it wasnt mine, as this isnt my thread. bag

(Note to self: don't respond to KMC posts early in the morning.)

Originally posted by golem370
On his feet is not as fast as Spider-Man

That doesn't make any sense though.

He should still be able to see and react to him.

Originally posted by Mindship
bag

(Note to self: don't respond to KMC posts early in the morning.)
I've done the same thing!
Actually i was sleepy when i read your post so i had to check to see what i'd posted and thought for a second "wait, did i start this damn thread?"

Well the Hulk squatted a mountain range in Secret Wars,and that was beyond belief!Is supes really that much stronger than the Hulk?

Originally posted by zom1967
Well the Hulk squatted a mountain range in Secret Wars,and that was beyond belief!Is supes really that much stronger than the Hulk?
No. He's not.

Originally posted by zom1967
Well the Hulk squatted a mountain range in Secret Wars,and that was beyond belief!Is supes really that much stronger than the Hulk?

Well, if we are to take the numbers at face value....yes, yes he is.

150 billion vs sextillion tons? That's a massive amount.

I didn't read the entire first page at all. Or maybe I did, don't remember what the thread is about in any case.

So I feel pretty confident is saying that Iron Fist punching Gladiator in half is the most likely option

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I didn't read the entire first page at all. Or maybe I did, don't remember what the thread is about in any case.

So I feel pretty confident is saying that Iron Fist punching Gladiator in half is the most likely option

Having read the entire first page, I agree.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if we are to take the numbers at face value....yes, yes he is.

150 billion vs sextillion tons? That's a massive amount.
Secret Wars was published in 1984. That was right before Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Superman came back, post series, at a level that would have made the Hulk feat impressive for him to achieve.
One of the things Crisis did was tone down the planet juggling, to make Supes more interesting.
Since then, both characters have, via company one upsmanship, remained fairly equal, with Supes emerging as stronger on average, but the Hulk's stronger/madder ability giving him the advantage in the long run.
And yes i'm well aware people will disagree with that, i dont mind.
So, like i said before, "no. He's not".

Originally posted by riv6672
Secret Wars was published in 1984. That was right before Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Superman came back, post series, at a level that would have made the Hulk feat impressive for him to achieve.
One of the things Crisis did was tone down the planet juggling, to make Supes more interesting.
Since then, both characters have, via company one upsmanship, remained fairly equal, with Supes emerging as stronger on average, but the Hulk's stronger/madder ability giving him the advantage in the long run.
And yes i'm well aware people will disagree with that, i dont mind.
So, like i said before, "no. He's not".

But at the time, i.e, 1984, right BEFORE the Crisis.....Superman had been juggling planets.

So when Secret Wars came out, lifting a 150 billion ton mountain would have been nothing to a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian like Supes. So it's still yes

If you then compare it to post-Crisis Superman during the late 80s/early 90s, then no, the gap would've been much smaller as to almost be nonexistent. Of course, by then the Hulk was a weaker variation, so you'd have to adjust accordingly.

Funny thing about that planet juggling. Supes was brought down from that level so as to be more interesting. And now, he's back up to pressing a planet...

IIRC superman has benched the equivalent of the Earth for a cpl days before

Interesting....

Originally posted by zom1967
Well the Hulk squatted a mountain range in Secret Wars,and that was beyond belief!Is supes really that much stronger than the Hulk?

Look at everything as a whole.

Looking at everything as a whole...
...no. He's not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But at the time, i.e, 1984, right BEFORE the Crisis.....Superman had been juggling planets. Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by zom1967
Well the Hulk squatted a mountain range in Secret Wars,and that was beyond belief!Is supes really that much stronger than the Hulk? That was a Hulk with Banner in the driver's seat and had to be tricked into getting mad enough into fueling his rage to remain bracing a mountain rage that was dropped on the Avengers made out of thin air.

Basically a weaker Hulk walks around with 150,000,000,000 tons of strength prior to amping which that version has trouble doing