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Novel Exile, Prime Talon.

Fight takes place in Port Nowhere.

Surik solidly.

Yea, Meetra.

Talon, tbh.

Not sure.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Surik solidly.

Great argument

Good fight. Undecided.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Good fight. Undecided.

Betrayal tbh.

Edit: Oh novel Surik? Close but I think Surik clinches it.

Not really. If this was kotor!Exile, my answer would be different.

How does the Exile win, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How does the Exile win, tbh.

How does Talon?

With her better lightsaber and force feats, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
With her better lightsaber and force feats, tbh.
For example? Because she doesn't have them tbh.

Originally posted by Selenial
For example? Because she doesn't have them tbh.

I actually kinda think it's the other way around, to be entirely honest. Talon's already got heavyweight showings from her first appearance in Broken, when she took on Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao simultaneously and won. Then after being crushed by a shuttle, continued to fend off Shado Vao and Antares Draco before the Jedi retreated.

ILS put up an Antares Draco respect thread up for reference. If Nyriss could treat Talon and Nihl like she treated Meetra and Scourge, then she'd basically have to be secured a place as one of the top 5 Sith tbh.

:mmm:

Conceded. Novel Exile loses to Talon. Didn't really think of the Nyriss argument, could counter it with Nexus but it's still a good point, I don't rate Nyriss very highly so...

Yeh, Kotor Exile would molest her tbh, but Novel Surik loses.

If you don't rank Nyriss high then how low do you rank Surik?

Going with Talon TBH.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I actually kinda think it's the other way around, to be entirely honest. Talon's already got heavyweight showings from her first appearance in Broken, when she took on Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao simultaneously and won. Then after being crushed by a shuttle, continued to fend off Shado Vao and Antares Draco before the Jedi retreated.

ILS put up an Antares Draco respect thread up for reference. If Nyriss could treat Talon and Nihl like she treated Meetra and Scourge, then she'd basically have to be secured a place as one of the top 5 Sith tbh.
Antares Draco is ok, nothing grand.

And treating Talon and Nihl like that doesn't requires top 5 Sith.

Meetra Surik defeated Darths Sion and Traya and 2 Imperial Guards simultaneously, and these are very impressive showings.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
If you don't rank Nyriss high then how low do you rank Surik?

A lot higher than Nyriss.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
If you don't rank Nyriss high then how low do you rank Surik?

Novel Surik? I don't have a ranking for her, just like I barely bother to rank Zannah's TP etc. Nexuses are a big deal, and seeing as Jedi on Kaas have failed to even be able to use the force in the past, I hardly feel its an accurate representation of her abilities.

That was due to other temples not present on Kaas at the time.

How do we know they weren't there?

Even so, still a dark side nexus.

The major nexus' on Dromund Kaas for post-movie content was the Dark Force Temple. While built before him, it really didn't become infamous until Darth Millennial.

Sure, but if there was a drastic change in either Nyriss' or Meetra's powers directly because of the nexus, the narrator would have mentioned it somewhere, to be honest.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The major nexus' on Dromund Kaas for post-movie content was the Dark Force Temple. While built before him, it really didn't become infamous until Darth Millennial.

Sure, but if there was a drastic change in either Nyriss' or Meetra's powers directly because of the nexus, the narrator would have mentioned it somewhere, to be honest.

We already know Dromund Kaas is a nexus though, so...

Really? When does Drew have a history of doing this? He does mention Kaas' effect on Surik, when she says even the Dark Side is easier to deal with than Natheema, indicating Kaas isn't a planet she copes well on.

To me it doesn't make sense that she has trouble coping with Kaas since she was perfectly able to shitstomp the Sith Triumvirate and a ton of Sith assassins on Malachor V.

Well how many Sith Assassins were actually there at the Academy? This is one feat I can never really get behind because...it's all speculation really as to what happened. Like how mant she fought at a time, if there were any circumstances, if there were other ways she went about fighting them etc and so on.

Yeah but you missed the point. How come a nexus as incredibly powerful and crushing to light siders as Malachor V doesn't affect her at all and Kaas does?

Well I wasn't aiming to that point, but I take it because the Sith Emperor being involved?...Or just an error.

She is a symptom of Malachor V, that is why unlike all other Jedi that appeared there she did not instantly turn to the Dark Side, she was merely physically ill. Whereas Dromund Kaas is stated to be an extreme Dark Side nexus and no mention of her Wound is made, which correlates with the statement that Surik completed her retraining on Dantooine in the two months after she ended the Dark Wars. Furthermore take into account that she had only just arrived from Nathema attempting to destroy her mentally the entire time she was there, a near death experience.

Despite these issues she was depicted displaying combat speed on a level of half a second. After this displaying ability to speed blitz the Emperor's personal escort of Imperial Guards with apparent ease despite their proximity to Vitiate himself. Before then she completely outskilled an amped Master Atris, a master of all forms of lightsaber combat and particularly masterful in Juyo.

She was evidently more skilled than Traya was more powerful than her, despite a massive nexus amp, even more impressive when you consider that Traya herself is a master combatant. A last note to consider is that Meetra in turn became more powerful than Traya was, as per both Traya's and Sion's insight implies. She has easily outskilled the likes of Visas Marr, Darth Sion, Brianna, five master Echani combatants, all of Clan Ordo's best Mandalorians and more.

The Jedi Exile Meetra Surik like Revan and Malak was one of the three greatest warriors the JedI Order had and this is during an era depicted in sourcebooks as the height of Jedi skill and combat prowess, honed by great war experience.

Meetra Surik wins.

I'm not reading anywhere, where Surik defeated the Guards with apparent ease. She defeated them yeah, but I don't see with ease.

Originally posted by AncientPower
She is a symptom of Malachor V, that is why unlike all other Jedi that appeared there she did not instantly turn to the Dark Side, she was merely physically ill. Whereas Dromund Kaas is stated to be an extreme Dark Side nexus and no mention of her Wound is made, which correlates with the statement that Surik completed her retraining on Dantooine in the two months after she ended the Dark Wars. Furthermore take into account that she had only just arrived from Nathema attempting to destroy her mentally the entire time she was there, a near death experience.



I know this makes a lot of sense and it definitely should be the reason, but I suspect KOTOR II writers just decided they didn't give a shit about a nexus's effects on Jedi and decided to make Surik invulnerable against Malachor V's dark side potency to avoid a potential complication in the game's plot.

The entire battle was moments in reality, she defeated them very quickly and thus pretty easily.

I love the long posts full of reaching interpretations of the character who is being wanked's feats, followed by the declaration of their victory, with no intention of making any comparison to the other character in the thread. Just a big ol' wank fest.

Ancient's wanking posts are really making me rethink my placement of Meetra, hehe.

Forgive me for stating legends facts rather than trolling characters or making no attempt to engage in actual constructive discussion. Next time I'll just rant about irrelevant characters instead of making an argument for one character or another.

If you would like you can actually try to state Talon feats that even put her on that tier instead of attempting to bait me.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Forgive me for stating legends facts rather than trolling characters or making no attempt to engage in actual constructive discussion. >implying I've trolled characters (also, how do you troll fiction?) or tried to detract from anyone's discussion in this thread

Not to mention you yourself are partial to the odd bit of character trolling. I'd tuck that finger in if I were you before we end up committing one of those awful double standards we often hear about.
Not sure why you would do that. I figured comparing Surik to Talon - instead of writing an essay about why Surik was spawned from the nuts of God himself and opting not to even mention Talon in your analysis - would be a better idea.
I would usually (I believe you still need to reply to our Ulic vs Nihl debate btw, Mr Productive ), but NewGuy already cleaned up on the first page. He accounted for both characters' feats and came to a reasonable conclusion, so with that said; Meetra dies

People can really stop mentioning her KotOR II feats, because this is novel only. What people should be mentioning is her beating a pair of Imperial Guards on a dark side nexus in two seconds, or being Scourge's approximate equal (by his own admission) while he was amped and she was hindered.

As for Meetra being hindered, she felt palpable discomfort upon arriving on Dromund Kaas, and by statements from JATM alone we can assume she'd be weakened.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What people should be mentioning is her beating a pair of Imperial Guards on a dark side nexus in two seconds
lol wut.

Typo - I meant a few seconds.