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Peak incarnations, all out.

Obvious bait thread, eh?

Of course. Testing a theory.

I see what you're doing. It's fun.

Huh

Post information about Shaak Ti. I will hold my response till then.

I have no idea who takes it. I'm waiting for better informed people to make an argument one way or another.

Seems to be a decent resource for information about her:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/shaak-ti-respect-thread-1618863/

That's actually a pretty bad thread, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's actually a pretty bad thread, tbh.

Its a tough one to call in terms of skill, Ti has beaten Magnaguards (but iirc they weren't programmed to deal with Jedi using their staffs), and she held her own against Marek while having an environmental advantage/being amped by Felucia. Sources such as Jedi Conquest/the TFU novelization state that a Jedi feels invigorated/more powerful when surrounded by life, and such an amp would benefit Shaak Ti to allow herself to beat Galen:



-Jedi Conquest "Edge of Victory"





-The Force Unleashed novelization

In terms of skill Satele has fought evenly with Darth Mekhis, lost to Darth Malgus twice, fought evenly with Darth Baras, blitzed Sith Warriors, and effortlessly crushed hex droids (3-4 Hex droids could hold off Jedi, Sith, and Mandalorians/Hutt guards fighting them all at once). Satele has shown somewhat more skill with a blade, probably not enough to make a difference but there isn't much of an indication Shaak became more skilled as time went on either (Galen was struggling with Kazdan and struggled with a Shadow Guard). In terms of skill Satele probably has an edge

For speed Shaak Ti has dodged omnidirectional blasterfire, moved in blurs, formed afterglows with her blades- Satele Shan has moved faster than Eldon Axe could move (she could form shields with her blades), blitzed Sith warriors etc, so Satele has en edge in speed.

In terms of telekinesis Satele outshines Shaak Ti she's crushed Hexdroids with a gesture, snapped a tree while fighting Malgus, blasted multiple Sith warriors in the air while landing, and shattered a blast door. Ti has thrown rubble, TKED Starkiller while amped, and hurled droids. Satele also has better showings of barrier and comparable if not superior showings of tutaminus (absorbing a blade and blasting Malgus into a mountain). Overall, I feel her marginal edge in skill and superior force abilities make her the most likely winner.

Well done, Cart. What about you, Leg.?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well done, Cart.

Well, I'm convinced.

Ti takes it.

I don't necessarily agree with the argument's conclusion or anything about it, but Carthage did provide exhaustive reasoning to support his claim.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well, I'm convinced.

Ti takes it.

Stop ****ing trolling me.

I see Felucia as of Shaak's fight with Galen to be akin to Ambria in DoE; unstable and on the knife's edge between the light and the darkness, but if anything leaning toward the latter tbh.

Originally posted by Mouse of X
you do know he said Satele takes it?

Yeh I don't agree with any of his conclusions, a side by side analysis of the feats was all I really wanted since I felt I was forgetting stuff for Satele.

Shaak Ti is more skilled and faster, Satele does have an edge in the force though. I don't see that edge being enough, Ti takes it.

Satele.

I don't really recall any notable physical differences in speed, strength, stamina, or otherwise between the two tbh. They're both heavyweight force users, though Satele's focuses are on the directly combative use of the Force, whereas Ti's are on the less direct, more arcane side of things. More often than not, Satele will probably have more of an advantage in direct combat, but depending on the setting Shaak could find herself in an advantageous position too. Both are very skilled and experienced fighters, but to be completely honest they're both ambiguous enough (especially Satele) that it's difficult to say who is moreso; I'd reckon that in the long run Satele's likely superior across the board, though. Should be a fairly close fight, though.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh I don't agree with any of his conclusions, a side by side analysis of the feats was all I really wanted since I felt I was forgetting stuff for Satele.

Shaak Ti is more skilled and faster, Satele does have an edge in the force though. I don't see that edge being enough, Ti takes it.

How is Shaak is more skilled?

Originally posted by carthage
How is Shaak is more skilled?

Better accolades tbh.

I've never really seen anything that hypes Satele's dueling skill, and unlike you I don't put "Lost to malgus" under the feats column

Selenial, I've received several complaint and reports from various people regarding your behavior. Stop trolling please.

Well, I was going to say Shaak Ti wins but I guess I'd get reported for doing that.

Seriously though. SWTOR camp needs to grow thicker skin, this is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Badabing
Selenial, I've received several complaint and reports from various people regarding your behavior. Stop trolling please.
Lord Bada, Selenial honestly hasn't ever trolled on the forum. If she did, it's a fraction of what other members do daily. I'm not sure who reported it, but it was probably out of frustration that she didn't buy into their bias.

Tbf, she's been quite harsh on Legend(Not that I support reporting her).

Originally posted by Sinious
Tbf, she's been quite harsh on Legend(Not that I support reporting her).

Well TBH he trolls the shit out of the SWTOR boards all the time, the mods just don't actually give a flying ****.

Not to mention his constant mis-quoting arguments written in now-deleted threads 3 years ago just to belittle me now, but meh. I have the cojones to not need to report someone...

No matter, I can calm it down.

Respect

Btw, do you know if it was Legend?

Originally posted by Sinious
Respect

Btw, do you know if it was Legend?

He reported me last time IIRC, doesn't seem like a coincidence.

Other guesses would be Neph, Carthage (as a joke), other than that, not sure who hates me :mmm:.

Shaak Ti is more skilled and faster, her kinetite puts her on Shan's Force tier tbh.

lol

Originally posted by Badabing
Selenial, I've received several complaint and reports from various people regarding your behavior. Stop trolling please.

LOL Not that I particularly care, but whoever did this must be salty af considering that they probably even worse trolls.

It was Legend I think, because of some comments she left in another thread.

"Various people."

I'm struggling to come up with a list more than two. And two would be stretching it.

Satele Shan:-

Accolades:

Though there is immense power in the Shan bloodline, there is also a streak of unorthodoxy.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

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The Grand Master possessed prodigious Force powers. A gesture crushed hexes into balls or blew them apart from the inside.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance

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The Grand Master had impressed with more than her telekinetic and telepathic skills. Her speed and decisiveness in combat were unbelievable - but she never once made a sound.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance

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"Satele Shan, hero of the Republic, paragon of the Jedi Order. Strong in the Force. She was a champion of the light; a symbol; an icon."

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation

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Telekinetic abilities:

The Grand Master possessed prodigious Force powers. A gesture crushed hexes into balls or blew them apart from the inside.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/11114/111140132/4433903-6694146671-43846.gif

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/11114/111140132/4433905-4946315276-vJjAM.gif

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/11114/111140132/4434402-shan+on+point.jpg

NOTE: This feat involves shatterpoint.

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Defensive abilities:

Force Barrier immune to all damage, control, and negative effects.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/11114/111140132/4434358-satele+shan+tbh.jpg

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Master Satele's shield was undoubtedly strong enough to deflect anything the hexes could throw at them, so he kept her ahead of him.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance

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Dueling prowess:

Cutting a swath through Sith forces:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111140132/4433904-1789308901-43846.gif

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Versus Darth Malgus:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/4433536-iimf0.gif

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Versus Master Revan (Dark):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/4433571-3232365484-42699.gif

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Versus Darth Baras:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2aad4eq.png

Aaaand reported.

Satele Shan:- (Continued)

Tutaminis:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/11114/111140132/4434149-8258502215-Kdrge.gif

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Power gained by absorbing energy from a Lightsaber:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/4433906-0972671623-Kee9Q.gif

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/4433907-9699846653-ywdrz.gif

Originally posted by ILS
Aaaand reported.
You report people for contributing to the topic? You are trolling the Mods then. And this is against the rules of any forum.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well TBH he trolls the shit out of the SWTOR boards all the time, the mods just don't actually give a flying ****.

Not to mention his constant mis-quoting arguments written in now-deleted threads 3 years ago just to belittle me now, but meh. I have the cojones to not need to report someone...

No matter, I can calm it down.
Don't post nonsense to cover your misbehavior and tracks. You don't feel ashamed for lying? You behave like a spoiled teenager, maybe you are one.

I don't troll SWTOR boards at all, I don't even get the opportunity to post much there due to subscription based restrictions. I have always promoted debating culture. Always.

You provoke and bash people during debates without any reason. You and your friends have trolled TWO of my threads in SWTOR boards to kill discussion in them.

You (better) try to behave and stop provoking people.

Originally posted by Sinious
Tbf, she's been quite harsh on Legend(Not that I support reporting her).
She provokes and bash people without any reason.

Example: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=611998&pagenumber=4

And when she finds herself on the defensive, she lies about people whom she provokes to cover her tracks, just like she did in this thread.

My advice; stop giving respect to this troll. She doesn't deserves it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You report people for contributing to the topic? You are trolling the Mods then. And this is against the rules of any forum. When you posted that Satele wins, you hurt my feelings because Shaak Ti wins IMO. Hence why you were reported. Please don't express any viewpoints that don't align with mine in the future.

Legend, who takes this?

Satele Shan

How close is it?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
How close is it?
If TFU incarnation of Shaak Ti is considered, then it will be a good fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If TFU incarnation of Shaak Ti is considered, then it will be a good fight.

The OP says characters are at their peaks.

There is no difference in skill between ROTS Shaak Ti and TFU, the only difference is the environmental amp she got from Felucia.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lord Bada, Selenial honestly hasn't ever trolled on the forum. If she did, it's a fraction of what other members do daily. I'm not sure who reported it, but it was probably out of frustration that she didn't buy into their bias. I was posting bluster just to get whatever was happening to stop.

I read her posts and could see how people could take it as trolling. Like with any vs forum, things gets heated. Thanks for the heads up though.Originally posted by ILS
Aaaand reported. You're about 1 post away from me banning you, then hunting you down and applying my clawed pimp hand to your face! sneer

Originally posted by carthage
There is no difference in skill between ROTS Shaak Ti and TFU, the only difference is the environmental amp she got from Felucia.

Kinetite always seemed more like skill than power though, displays a level of force mastery we've never seen but heard of with Ti...

Originally posted by ILS
When you posted that Satele wins, you hurt my feelings because Shaak Ti wins IMO.

I like how this is simultaneously jest and truth at the same time.

No, it's completely jest. ILS hates Shaak Ti with a fiery passion.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, it's completely jest. ILS hates Shaak Ti with a fiery passion.

Lol, he's a confusing guy tbh.

http://replygif.net/i/169.gif

Shaak Ti wins imo.