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Gravity boots and an armed Caine has to take down Darth Vader. Who prevails ?

Vader force crushes him.

Originally posted by playa1258
Vader force crushes him. Based on ?

force crush ftw

Crushing a AT AT

Originally posted by playa1258
Crushing a AT AT Hiw does that relate to Caine Wise ?

He wouls crush the meatbag

Originally posted by playa1258
He wouls crush the meatbag What person has he instantly crushed that he faced in combat ?

He did that force crush in combat. Han Solo tried to kill him by stepping on him with the AT AT

Originally posted by playa1258
He did that force crush in combat. Han Solo tried to kill him by stepping on him with the AT AT So he didn't kill anyone but destroyed some machine. That isn't different than Vader freaking out when hearing Padmes death.

Im pretty sure he could crush a spliced human

Originally posted by playa1258
Im pretty sure he could crush a spliced human But he hasn't crushed a human let alone someone as skilled and quick as Caine. Quit making feats up.

It is true that moving fast can dodge TK, as shown in the first CW series. Force crushing is quite unlikely against someone as fast and incredibly maneuverable as Caine.

On the flip side, Vader can block Caine's gun, and is the more dangerous in melee. So he likely wins in the end, but if Caine sees how things are going and wants to just get away, he can easily.

Originally posted by Q99
It is true that moving fast can dodge TK, as shown in the first CW series. Force crushing is quite unlikely against someone as fast and incredibly maneuverable as Caine.

On the flip side, Vader can block Caine's gun, and is the more dangerous in melee. So he likely wins in the end, but if Caine sees how things are going and wants to just get away, he can easily. How can Vader continually block his fire considering how fast and skilled he is ? Plus if he starts zipping all over the place with his gravity boots Vader will be screwed.

If he can destroy an AT-AT with a force crush he can destroy a human, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, unless Caine has some cool durability feat up his sleeves (like say, being directly hit by a MOAB)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If he can destroy an AT-AT with a force crush he can destroy a human, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, unless Caine has some cool durability feat up his sleeves (like say, being directly hit by a MOAB) We never see him instantly do so you are lying. Wrecking inanimate objects isn't the same as a person. I've timed out force chimes and Vader doesn't instantly do them in the films. They also happen to be against untrained scum.

No you're right, crushing a heavily armored vehicle is a far better feat that crushing some human schmuck, it's not like we're claiming Vader can manipulate dust particles or some shite

Also, "timing out", if you were to do that that pretty much all of fiction would only be low superhuman, but hey, you know, "I want my side to win, even if that means nitpicking low end showings for the opponent and taking the best feats for my side!"

Originally posted by StealthRanger
No you're right, crushing a heavily armored vehicle is a far better feat that crushing some human schmuck, it's not like we're claiming Vader can manipulate dust particles or some shite

Also, "timing out", if you were to do that that pretty much all of fiction would only be low superhuman, but hey, you know, "I want my side to win, even if that means nitpicking low end showings for the opponent and taking the best feats for my side!" No showings of his instantly doing so to a person so your expect him to do that instantly here. GTFO fanboy.

Anyone who makes shit up never seen is a fanboy.

I argue based on facts not what ifs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No showings of his instantly doing so to a person so your expect him to do that instantly here. GTFO fanboy.

Speed feats in Star Wars put him at the point where he could do it at way above human speeds, and DC feats in Star Wars put him at the point where he could force crush this fleshling handily (unless there's a feat elsewhere that puts Caine on the level where he could resist or tank Vader's telekinesis, if so, please share)



Because someone who pedantically nitpicks percieved low ends and takes the best feats for his own side is totally objective by comparison

But no seriously, he can crush materials that can tank heavy blaster cannons that can vaporise durasteel, are you seriously doubting he could force crush a god damn human?

Anyways, anyone wanna share Caine's "speed feats" that as per spergchi suggests can insta-zip around Vader ala Bleach/Claymore style? No seriously I am curious

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Speed feats in Star Wars put him at the point where he could do it at way above human speeds, and DC feats in Star Wars put him at the point where he could force crush this fleshling handily (unless there's a feat elsewhere that puts Caine on the level where he could resist or tank Vader's telekinesis, if so, please share)



Because someone who pedantically nitpicks percieved low ends and takes the best feats for his own side is totally objective by comparison

But no seriously, he can crush materials that can tank heavy blaster cannons that can vaporise durasteel, are you seriously doubting he could force crush a god damn human? Caine is far quicker and more formidable than humans as well. Post the feat where he insta crushes flesh.

Lies. I look at all the feats and do not make stuff up like you're doing.

He has never done so. You can't make the claim without one single feat if him doing so.

Force lightning also killed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Caine is far quicker and more formidable than humans as well. Post the feat where he insta crushes flesh.

Pedanticism

And show me a speed feat from Caine plz that as you suggest he can zip around Vader shonen style or w/e



Ahahahaha, oh no you don't, you simply take the lowest end showings and assume they're actually evidence (protip: they're not, never have been and never will be)



I can make the claim when his feats put him well above the point where he can crush human flash, it'd be like saying Superman can't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent



>implies being killed by Sidious' force lightning is some kind of low end showing

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Pedanticism

And show me a speed feat from Caine plz that as you suggest he can zip around Vader shonen style or w/e



Ahahahaha, oh no you don't, you simply take the lowest end showings and assume they're actually evidence (protip: they're not, never have been and never will be)



I can make the claim when his feats put him well above the point where he can crush human flash, it'd be like saying Superman can't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent



>implies being killed by Sidious' force lightning is some kind of low end showing End of the film where he zips around the planet to save his girl. I don't know if the video is posted online yet since it's only available digitally.

All showings are evidence. You want to ignore losses, context, and make up feats.

It did not kill Luke a fleshy human.

Originally posted by quanchi112
End of the film where he zips around the planet to save his girl. I don't know if the video is posted online yet since it's only available digitally.

Context, distance, timeframe required

Shorter version: quantify it or GTFO



Low end showings do not count as valid evidence. Losing to beings above the character (like say, Qui-Gon losing to Darth Maul) is not a low end showing, that character is just that powerful, hence why powerscaling is a thing



Because Luke and Jedi in general are pretty ****ing durable, and have telekinesis or their own to counter the force (and Vader never force crushed to attempted to force crush Luke), in other words you have no idea what the **** you're talking about as usual

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Context, distance, timeframe required

Shorter version: quantify it or GTFO



Low end showings do not count as valid evidence. Losing to beings above the character (like say, Qui-Gon losing to Darth Maul) is not a low end showing, that character is just that powerful, hence why powerscaling is a thing



Because Luke and Jedi in general are pretty ****ing durable, and have telekinesis or their own to counter the force (and Vader never force crushed to attempted to force crush Luke), in other words you have no idea what the **** you're talking about as usual Watch it for yourself.

Yes, they do. Anyone who wants to ignore or only highlight certain aspects are fanboys.

Nah, they lose limbs and burn quite easily. Look at Vader after he burst into flames and cries.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch it for yourself.

Oh what was that rule that stopped lying as much a possible, Burden of Proof? As in, provide evidence or shut the **** up?



Or actually get a good perspective on how powerful characters are. Low end showings only get brought up by people asshurt about the power of characters



So Senator Armstrong has his arm cut off by Jetstream Sam in Metal Gear Rising. Despite Armstrong's durability feats in the series, does this mean that he's now some sack of flesh because he can lose limbs, even though his arm was cut off by a guy who stomped a dude who chucked a 500+ ton mech 20 meters or so?

Freiza was cut apart by Trunks, Freiza having survived a planet blowing up on him, because Freiza was cut apart by Trunks, is he a squishy meatbag who could be killed by a bullet, even though Trunks is a ****ing Super Saiyan?

No, the things that cut them are just that ****ing powerful

Anakin was burned because he was seriously injured by Obi-Wan. Anakin and Obi survived being near the lava the whole fight, Qui-Gon survived being close to molten metal. Jedi have hefty durability to heat

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Oh what was that rule that stopped lying as much a possible, Burden of Proof? As in, provide evidence or shut the **** up?



Or actually get a good perspective on how powerful characters are. Low end showings only get brought up by people asshurt about the power of characters



So Senator Armstrong has his arm cut off by Jetstream Sam in Metal Gear Rising. Despite Armstrong's durability feats in the series, does this mean that he's now some sack of flesh because he can lose limbs, even though his arm was cut off by a guy who stomped a dude who chucked a 500+ ton mech 20 meters or so?

Freiza was cut apart by Trunks, Freiza having survived a planet blowing up on him, because Freiza was cut apart by Trunks, is he a squishy meatbag who could be killed by a bullet, even though Trunks is a ****ing Super Saiyan?

No, the things that cut them are just that ****ing powerful

Anakin was burned because he was seriously injured by Obi-Wan. Anakin and Obi survived being near the lava the whole fight, Qui-Gon survived being close to molten metal. Jedi have hefty durability to heat Watch the movie yourself. It isn't uno to me to educate you on Caine wise.

Anyone only bringing up certain showings while ignoring others are cherry picking. I look at all his feats. Every time he has used force crush on a person it took time and they were not instantly killed at all. You're ignoring the on screen evidence again.

Anakin is not that durable. It's also easy to short circuit his suit. He needs it to survive, Caine wise has good durability feats and combat feats. You'd know if you watched the film instead of being some Star Wars fanboy who ignores showings.


And yet the lava burned them. Any of the Star Wars characters at the end who saved him were also near the lava. No one suddenly burned to death by being in Close proximity so quit making things up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the movie yourself. It isn't uno to me to educate you on Caine wise.

Sorry but no, if you make an assertion you have to back it up, not my job to do your research



Actions speak louder than words, your emphasis on low end showings speaks louder than your claims of being "objective"



He used force choke ya fool. Which is a less destructive use of the force. He never used force crush on a person, then again, when has he ever needed to?



Argument from belief



Red herring, has nothing to do with durability. And what you're referring to would be a chain reaction, which has nothing to do with durability



Like I said I don't know of them, if they exist then please, share



Only burned Anakin who was delimbed beforehand

And good for them, since Clone Troopers armor is able to handle high temperatures, and good for Palpatine



My god you are immensely stupid

Could you survive being in close proximity to lava? Could you survive being right next to molten metal? Because Jedi and Sith can and have several times

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Sorry but no, if you make an assertion you have to back it up, not my job to do your research



Actions speak louder than words, your emphasis on low end showings speaks louder than your claims of being "objective"



He used force choke ya fool. Which is a less destructive use of the force. He never used force crush on a person, then again, when has he ever needed to?



Argument from belief



Red herring, has nothing to do with durability. And what you're referring to would be a chain reaction, which has nothing to do with durability



Like I said I don't know of them, if they exist then please, share



Only burned Anakin who was delimbed beforehand

And good for them, since Clone Troopers armor is able to handle high temperatures, and good for Palpatine



My god you are immensely stupid

Could you survive being in close proximity to lava? Could you survive being right next to molten metal? Because Jedi and Sith can and have several times No, I don't. You don't have to believe me but you admitted you're clueless about the character.

I cite characters weaknesses rather than their strengths when taking than their strengths. It's called debating but I don't ignore any if their showings. That's your entire focus which is incorrect.

So you claim he uses a tactic he's never used here on someone ? Biased much ? Unlike you I debate in facts not wishful thinking.

His body has been reduced to surviving in a suit. rarely do we ever see a body reduced to the limbless husk that anakin's has been reduced to.


It has to do with exploiting a weakness. It happened and Luke was fine, it's a liability.


Watch the film.

It burned him because it got onto him. It did. It burn him by being near him. Watch the film and everyone near the lava it didn't burn because it didn't touch them. You Star Wars fanboys are stupid. Caine also has greater feats anyways.


Spock has survived in into darkness and no one suddenly burned in Star Wars. Force lightning has ko'd Anakin and their limbs and bodies take an absolute beating. We see jango take out a Jedi with a few blasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't. You don't have to believe me but you admitted you're clueless about the character.

Yeah, you kind of do, it's called Burden of Proof, now show me his speed feats or be reported



Thank you for proving my point. Low end showings still do not count as evidence regardless of your bullshit



What opportunity existed for him to do so? Why would he need to? Most of the people were Imperial Officers and most others were either Jedi or schmucks who he could pwn regardless

And since CIS/PIS is off, we generally assume they can do these things. I mean **** me, it's not like claiming Vader could TK ****ing photons or dust particles or whatever



Red herring

Also good for him, I'd love to see any human survive what Anakin did, humor me. go on



Yeah, of course force lightning killed him, because it short circuited his suit, reason he couldn't use force lightning. And good for Luke if he survived force lightning



Show you can't show me any strength or speed feats that put him well above Vader? Good to know



Been there done that, was severely weakened beforehand and took several minutes to take effect



Never said they did you mongoloid. If they can survive being near it without any kind of protective gear, then it still counts as a durability feat



Such a shame you can't present them



Good for him



>implies being hurt by force lightning is some kind of low end showing



Because blasters are far more concentrated in damage. Same reason why heavyweight boxers can punch with kilojoules of force but can't punch through people but a 9mm can penetrate people but only has hundreds of joules of kinetic power

And considering blasters can vaporise 0.5 meter sections of durasteel

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah, you kind of do, it's called Burden of Proof, now show me his speed feats or be reported



Thank you for proving my point. Low end showings still do not count as evidence regardless of your bullshit



What opportunity existed for him to do so? Why would he need to? Most of the people were Imperial Officers and most others were either Jedi or schmucks who he could pwn regardless

And since CIS/PIS is off, we generally assume they can do these things. I mean **** me, it's not like claiming Vader could TK ****ing photons or dust particles or whatever



Red herring

Also good for him, I'd love to see any human survive what Anakin did, humor me. go on



Yeah, of course force lightning killed him, because it short circuited his suit, reason he couldn't use force lightning. And good for Luke if he survived force lightning



Show you can't show me any strength or speed feats that put him well above Vader? Good to know



Been there done that, was severely weakened beforehand and took several minutes to take effect



Never said they did you mongoloid. If they can survive being near it without any kind of protective gear, then it still counts as a durability feat



Such a shame you can't present them



Good for him



>implies being hurt by force lightning is some kind of low end showing



Because blasters are far more concentrated in damage. Same reason why heavyweight boxers can punch with kilojoules of force but can't punch through people but a 9mm can penetrate people but only has hundreds of joules of kinetic power

And considering blasters can vaporise 0.5 meter sections of durasteel I cannot find it on YouTube so report away, nerd.

Yes, all evidence counts your refusal to accept all the facts is fanboyism. I accept it all.


Why not instantly do so to palpatine while he tortured his son ? Instead he mortally was wounded due to the lightning ? This was when he was fully experienced but still had to toss him over. You can't make up things and pretend he force destroys people's penises because you're a fanboy.


Obi did it, palpatine did it. This is fiction, dude. The lava sure burned him up really good. Once the YouTube clips come on you're going to owe me apologies.

The movie is barely out digitally only so wait. Watch the film before you debate against a character out of pure ignorance.



It burned his flesh and made no difference as it would burn him regardless. He laid there and cried out hateful things to obi because he got wrecked.

Caine Employs lasers which wreck his body so apples to oranges, angry guy.

Glad you agree lasers hurt him because Caine is going to tag his ass often. A far better hand to hand fighter and can cover greater distances with his gravity boots and use hand blasters with impressive skill.

Originally posted by quanchi112 I cannot find it on YouTube so report away, nerd.

Done



If you have no arguments except "baww bias" and "low end showings actually do count!", then you have no leg to stand on



Because as I said, Jedi and Sith can counter eachother's force powers, hence why they can't just instantly pwn eachother with the force, and Palpatine is overwhelmingly more powerful than Vader

If he can destroy heavily armored vehicles, he can force crush humans. The former is far more energetic



What part of "Jedi are really ****ing durable" is so hard to understand

For a just as impressive feat, Qui Gon survived near contact with molten metal in TPM

The movie is barely out digitally only so wait. Watch the film before you debate against a character out of pure ignorance.



Been there done that, he was severely weakened and couldn't do anything, hence why he was burned



Baseless assertion



Assertion



Assertion, and "impressive skill", right that sounds totally definitive /sarcasm

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Done



If you have no arguments except "baww bias" and "low end showings actually do count!", then you have no leg to stand on



Because as I said, Jedi and Sith can counter eachother's force powers, hence why they can't just instantly pwn eachother with the force, and Palpatine is overwhelmingly more powerful than Vader

If he can destroy heavily armored vehicles, he can force crush humans. The former is far more energetic



What part of "Jedi are really ****ing durable" is so hard to understand

For a just as impressive feat, Qui Gon survived near contact with molten metal in TPM

The movie is barely out digitally only so wait. Watch the film before you debate against a character out of pure ignorance.



Been there done that, he was severely weakened and couldn't do anything, hence why he was burned



Baseless assertion



Assertion



Assertion, and "impressive skill", right that sounds totally definitive /sarcasm Hahahahahha.

I cited showings that do count you don't have one feat of Vader insta crushing any humanoid. No leg to stand on.


Obi was force choked, Yoda force pushed palpatine back without a counter, and maul force pushed obi over without a counter. Evidence.

Caine is near fiery lava, hurricanes in the film and has no issues unlike Anakin who burned.

It touched him so it burned him. At full power lava burns him, sport.

Watch the film and see his skill.

Your ignorance isn't a defense. You're clueless on Caine. Stick to threads you know about both characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hahahahahha.

I cited showings that do count you don't have one feat of Vader insta crushing any humanoid. No leg to stand on.

You've presented absolutely nothing of actual merit

If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a humanoid, crushing a heavily armored vehicles that can tank heavy laser cannons is a massively superior feat to crushing flesh and bone



Obi was force choked by Dooku, who was superior to him. Maul was superior to Obi as well at the time



Okay so Caine has comparable heat resistance good for him. How powerful was the hurricane?

I mean, let's not ignore where Anakin and Obi were near lava the whole time during their fight and were just fine



He never came into direct contact with lava you fool. And been there done that, several damn times, moving on



Sorry, not my job to find your feats for you



I accept your concession

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You've presented absolutely nothing of actual merit

If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a humanoid, crushing a heavily armored vehicles that can tank heavy laser cannons is a massively superior feat to crushing flesh and bone



Obi was force choked by Dooku, who was superior to him. Maul was superior to Obi as well at the time



Okay so Caine has comparable heat resistance good for him. How powerful was the hurricane?

I mean, let's not ignore where Anakin and Obi were near lava the whole time during their fight and were just fine



He never came into direct contact with lava you fool. And been there done that, several damn times, moving on



Sorry, not my job to find your feats for you



I accept your concession Excelt he has used the tactic against humans and it takes a while. evidence.

Timing is everything. Maul was a better fighter so he waited for an opening to do so. No excuse for Yoda. It's all the same thing.

Hurricanes were all over Jupiter iirc. Watch the films as none of this proves anything. If a laser hits Anakin he bleeds so lava is a moot point and irrelevant.

It burned him. Why else would he stop burning ? He was in the same position. It touched him.


You are admittedly ignorant. Your problem not mine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Excelt he has used the tactic against humans and it takes a while. evidence.

Force choking is different from force crushing

Anakin force crushing several medical droids instantly, oh and Dooku ripping/crushing bolted machinery in AOTC



Palpatine was monologuing about hoe the Jedi were no more. Of course that's an opening, you fool

Maul being a Sith Lord was more powerful than some Jedi apprentice schmuck



How powerful were they?



Never said Caine couldn't kill Anakin



Can you prove that lava made direct contact with him? You don't need to bother, I know for a fact that there's nothing



I heard your concession the first time m8

Vader snaps his neck. He did that casually to a stormtrooper. Twisted his head around.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Force choking is different from force crushing

Anakin force crushing several medical droids instantly, oh and Dooku ripping/crushing bolted machinery in AOTC



Palpatine was monologuing about hoe the Jedi were no more. Of course that's an opening, you fool

Maul being a Sith Lord was more powerful than some Jedi apprentice schmuck



How powerful were they?



Never said Caine couldn't kill Anakin



Can you prove that lava made direct contact with him? You don't need to bother, I know for a fact that there's nothing



I heard your concession the first time m8 Givr an example of him force crushing a humanoid in combat. If you can't then it's a baseless claim.

Maul had to fight him and wait for the opening. He couldn't just force push him at will he had to wait for an opening. You haven't the faintest how combat works. Glad you agree with palpatine that timing is everything.

Powerful.

Glad you agree.

He wouldn't have stopped burning if it was just due to close proximity. It touched him and then burned out. Quit saying nonsensical things.

You admitted you hadn't seen this film so it's a fact at this point you're ignorant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Givr an example of him force crushing a humanoid in combat. If you can't then it's a baseless claim.

Crushing durasteel armor that can tank heavy laser cannons is a massively superior feat to crushing a human of which is much less durable.

Claiming he can't do something even though it'd logically be within his powerset to do so is against the rules. Reported for stonewalling



Not stated anywhere. Maul's style is physically overpowering people, unlike most Sith who are about breaking their opponent's morale



Oh that's rich coming from you of all people



Useless statement unless you back it up and quantify the shit you present



No all he needs to do is just hit Vader or survive Vader's attacks



IOW you can't present proof Anakin made direct contact with lava. Glad to hear it



I heard you the first two times, don't need to say you're conceding the third time

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Crushing durasteel armor that can tank heavy laser cannons is a massively superior feat to crushing a human of which is much less durable.

Claiming he can't do something even though it'd logically be within his powerset to do so is against the rules. Reported for stonewalling



Not stated anywhere. Maul's style is physically overpowering people, unlike most Sith who are about breaking their opponent's morale



Oh that's rich coming from you of all people



Useless statement unless you back it up and quantify the shit you present



No all he needs to do is just hit Vader or survive Vader's attacks



IOW you can't present proof Anakin made direct contact with lava. Glad to hear it



I heard you the first two times, don't need to say you're conceding the third time I agree it s impressive but it isn't the same thing. We have seen vader kill humans and guess what he's never insta crushed anyone. You cannot just make feats up where none have applied.

We see it. Is maul some idiot who fights and fights when he can win at any time ? No. Any great fighter attacks at pivotal moments when there are openings.

Watch the film.

He can survive vader's attacks and has a shield as well to block the saber if he gets close.

Watch the film, nerd.

You admit you're agprguijg out of bias with no knowledge whatsoever of the opposition.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree it s impressive but it isn't the same thing. We have seen vader kill humans and guess what he's never insta crushed anyone. You cannot just make feats up where none have applied.

You're right, it's not the same, it's so much better



Maul's style is physically overpowering opponents, not breaking their spirits



So you won't provide evidence for your claims? I accept your concession, for the fourth time



Can you prove his shield can block lightsabers?

Can you prove he can survive force crush too



I'm sorry, I'm doing what now? Jesus I've heard of rage typo's but never seen incoherent meshes of letters

But yeah, I think I've proven my point, you have have nothing but stonewalling and pedanticism, you're done, accept it

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You're right, it's not the same, it's so much better



Maul's style is physically overpowering opponents, not breaking their spirits



So you won't provide evidence for your claims? I accept your concession, for the fourth time



Can you prove his shield can block lightsabers?

Can you prove he can survive force crush too



I'm sorry, I'm doing what now? Jesus I've heard of rage typo's but never seen incoherent meshes of letters

But yeah, I think I've proven my point, you have have nothing but stonewalling and pedanticism, you're done, accept it It is not applicable to a human or fleshy character so moot.

He kills foes with his saber and to gain the edge in I u he force pushed him when his guard was down.


Movie is too new, noob.

Force crush has never killed a humanoid character. Can sabers cut through droid shields ?

You made up feats and admitted you're ignorant. Just say you concede.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is not applicable to a human or fleshy character so moot.

As said to you on several threads claiming a character can't do something even though it'd logically be within his ability to do so is against the rules. Reported

Or perhaps you believe a human is more durable than an AT-AT, and if you do, then you're a complete mongoloid



Excuses



Never used force crush on a person, then again why would he need to?



Droid shields are simply that energetic, 'fraid you need feats to prove Caine's shields could stand up to lightsabers



If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a human. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out

Yet here we are

Originally posted by StealthRanger
As said to you on several threads claiming a character can't do something even though it'd logically be within his ability to do so is against the rules. Reported

Or perhaps you believe a human is more durable than an AT-AT, and if you do, then you're a complete mongoloid



Excuses



Never used force crush on a person, then again why would he need to?



Droid shields are simply that energetic, 'fraid you need feats to prove Caine's shields could stand up to lightsabers



If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a human. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out

Yet here we are That is bogus. You can't just make feats up. Report away, nerd. Just because they force crush a vehicle doesn't mean they can force crush someone's penis. In the movie chronicle they displayed the skill to do so not in Star Wars as of yet.


Truth hurts.

To kill someone. Dooku force choked obi and wanted him dead. Force crush kills him right away.



So are Caine's.

Prove it with the power being applied that way. If you can't I should report you like robtard. But I'm not an insecure, short, man named Roberta.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is bogus. You can't just make feats up. Report away, nerd. Just because they force crush a vehicle doesn't mean they can force crush someone's penis. In the movie chronicle they displayed the skill to do so not in Star Wars as of yet.

What's to make up? Simple fact of the matter is if he can crush vehicles and bolted machinery he can effortlessly crush something comparitively weak such as flesh and bone and your stonewalling doesn't change this basic ****ing logic

Force crushing a human doesn't require advanced telekinetic precision stooge



Can you show the feats to back your assertions then?



Dooku just force choked Obi and slammed him against a wall, and dropped a catwalk on his ass

And using force crush to kill a regular person is just overkill and utterly unnecessary



Quantify it or GTFO



Crushing an AT-AT>>>>Crushing some human schmuck

Originally posted by StealthRanger
What's to make up? Simple fact of the matter is if he can crush vehicles and bolted machinery he can effortlessly crush something comparitively weak such as flesh and bone and your stonewalling doesn't change this basic ****ing logic

Force crushing a human doesn't require advanced telekinetic precision stooge



Can you show the feats to back your assertions then?



Dooku just force choked Obi and slammed him against a wall, and dropped a catwalk on his ass

And using force crush to kill a regular person is just overkill and utterly unnecessary



Quantify it or GTFO



Crushing an AT-AT>>>>Crushing some human schmuck I don't care what you say Vader has no done so. You can only apply his feats in the manner in which he has performed them.

I already told you the movie is too new so quit asking, nerd.


He wanted obi dead. It is quicker and wouldn't have required prolonged concentration as opposed to an insta kill. Obi survived so it is needed. The power does not apply that way, nerd.

Quantify the droids shields. Still railings in the original trilogy also were not destroyed despite saber contact.

Apples and oranges. You concede.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care what you say Vader has no done so. You can only apply his feats in the manner in which he has performed them.

What, you mean force crushing, yeah, simple application of force, he can do it to an AT-AT, he can do it to a human. It's like saying Superman couldn't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent or whatever. As I've said several times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point



And that'd be a.... fifth concession now?



Dooku looked pretty damn casual about what he did, that and provoking Anakin into a frenzy and whatnot



Droid shields being able to tank blaster rifles that can fire blasts that vaporise .5 meter sections in durasteel, and vaporising Grievous' organs, both calc'd in the megajoule range (StarDestroyer.net or SpaceBattles I believe)

Your move



"I'll take one low end showing and act like it invalidates everything else"

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence, but you know, pretend what is in all likelihood a cinematic error overrides consistent feats of cutting through metals, by all means keep presenting yourself this way, makes it so easy to mock you



No, simple case of one is far more impressive than the other. Like comparing a hand grenade to a Tsar Bomba stooge

Originally posted by StealthRanger
What, you mean force crushing, yeah, simple application of force, he can do it to an AT-AT, he can do it to a human. It's like saying Superman couldn't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent or whatever. As I've said several times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point



And that'd be a.... fifth concession now?



Dooku looked pretty damn casual about what he did, that and provoking Anakin into a frenzy and whatnot



Droid shields being able to tank blaster rifles that can fire blasts that vaporise .5 meter sections in durasteel, and vaporising Grievous' organs, both calc'd in the megajoule range (StarDestroyer.net or SpaceBattles I believe)

Your move



"I'll take one low end showing and act like it invalidates everything else"

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence, but you know, pretend what is in all likelihood a cinematic error overrides consistent feats of cutting through metals, by all means keep presenting yourself this way, makes it so easy to mock you



No, simple case of one is far more impressive than the other. Like comparing a hand grenade to a Tsar Bomba stooge We argue based off how these characters behave and what they do.m they can force choke, force push, etc. but to say they insta kill isn't in the cards. No evidence to support such a claim.


No, I cannot post evidence due to it not being there. Watch the film, cheapie.

So made up numbers and you failed to address the railing making contact with the saber and remaining intact.

All canon evidence counts. Anyone who picks and chooses is biased.

No, it is two different pieces of fruit. Your feat doesn't apply to humanoids.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We argue based off how these characters behave and what they do.m they can force choke, force push, etc. but to say they insta kill isn't in the cards. No evidence to support such a claim.

been there done that, feats put him at a level where he could easily do so if he wanted to

I mean, if I wanted to I could easily do the same thing for Harry Potter characters, though you'd probably throw a ***** fit so loud they'd hear you all the way from Diagon Alley or Hogwarts



So, this is the, sixth concession now. JHC man I heard you the first time



"I don't like it so it doesn't count"



Been there done that, low end showings do not count as valid evidence, and do not override every single other feat in the series of cutting through metal objects



Been there done that, moving on



Prove it's somehow different please beyond "I say so"

AT-AT armor is OOM more durable than human flesh, Vader crushed that, prove that crushing a humanoid would be difficult

Seriously, quit dismissing shit because you don't like it you dishonest little shit. I mean, I'd just love to dismiss every argument you've made here and call it my win because you're a complete moron, but I'm sorry to say that's just not how vs debating works

So how's 'bout you stop stonewalling and attempt to disprove it you lazy ****

You assert he cannot crush a humanoid. I say prove it

I've supported my claim with feats, balls in your court quanchi, prove up or shut up

Your move

Btw, I notice your posts keep getting shorter and shorter every time you post, I'd be inclined to believe it's because you're running out of things to say, but I'm certain it's just a coincidence, surely

Originally posted by StealthRanger
been there done that, feats put him at a level where he could easily do so if he wanted to

I mean, if I wanted to I could easily do the same thing for Harry Potter characters, though you'd probably throw a ***** fit so loud they'd hear you all the way from Diagon Alley or Hogwarts



So, this is the, sixth concession now. JHC man I heard you the first time



"I don't like it so it doesn't count"



Been there done that, low end showings do not count as valid evidence, and do not override every single other feat in the series of cutting through metal objects



Been there done that, moving on



Prove it's somehow different please beyond "I say so"

AT-AT armor is OOM more durable than human flesh, Vader crushed that, prove that crushing a humanoid would be difficult

Seriously, quit dismissing shit because you don't like it you dishonest little shit. I mean, I'd just love to dismiss every argument you've made here and call it my win because you're a complete moron, but I'm sorry to say that's just not how vs debating works

So how's 'bout you stop stonewalling and attempt to disprove it you lazy ****

You assert he cannot crush a humanoid. I say prove it

I've supported my claim with feats, balls in your court quanchi, prove up or shut up

Your move

Btw, I notice your posts keep getting shorter and shorter every time you post, I'd be inclined to believe it's because you're running out of things to say, but I'm certain it's just a coincidence, surely You can't create your own feats and application of said feats. Pisspoor way of debating. We go based on the evidence not our own version of what they are capable of.

I do not argue based off abilities alone. I argue in character.

They aren't official and just made up.

Al evidence counts. You saying it doesn't shows your bias.


They get shorter because we are at an impasse and you continue to repeat yourself with more bullshit. You made the claim they do so to humanoids without the feat in question being performed on films. They have not. End of discussion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't create your own feats and application of said feats. Pisspoor way of debating. We go based on the evidence not our own version of what they are capable of.

Exactly, we go with evidence, meaning we go with Vader crushing an AT-AT, which means he can crush a human w/o effort if he wanted to

GG asspie



There's no rule that says they're in character, meaning unless the OP states otherwise



"I don't like it so it never happened"

Such a compelling counterargument. Keep it up kid, you're gonna go far with that logic



Cheh, you're only argument is "bawww bias". I accept your concession, for the seventh time in a row



hahahaha, is "no u" the best you can come up with you degenerate scum



Vader force crushing an AT-AT

Your move

Originally posted by playa1258
Vader snaps his neck. He did that casually to a stormtrooper. Twisted his head around.

Cane is a hell of a lot tougher than a random storm trooper though. That being said, he doesn't really have any defense against being disarmed via TK and then force choked.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Exactly, we go with evidence, meaning we go with Vader crushing an AT-AT, which means he can crush a human w/o effort if he wanted to

GG asspie



There's no rule that says they're in character, meaning unless the OP states otherwise



"I don't like it so it never happened"

Such a compelling counterargument. Keep it up kid, you're gonna go far with that logic



Cheh, you're only argument is "bawww bias". I accept your concession, for the seventh time in a row



hahahaha, is "no u" the best you can come up with you degenerate scum



Vader force crushing an AT-AT

Your move No, that is incorrect. We don't get to apply someone's powers and apply them in any way you want. Take for example the silver surfer can create black holes. So some fanboy like yourself says he creates one in the other guys anus. That is not how it works, fanboy.

So you want to say screw the character and argue power sets. That's essentially fanboy and scripting the entire fight.

Show me an official stance not some nerd making it up.

Anyone who wants to dismiss any evejnce is biased. The only objective way is to factor it all in. Quit being emotional and losing your shit.

He can do that to an at at not a humanoid. Your move. We've seen him force choke people so it is in character for him to slowly force choke his opposition.

I can't believe Quan is actually trying to argue that he can't crush a human... even though we've seen him crush vastly more durable. Only an imbecile of epic proportions would even dream of taking such a stance. Vader crushes or Mind rapes Caine is a matter of moments. Unless of course you have mind resistance feats for Caine.. surely you must

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't believe Quan is actually trying to argue that he can't crush a human... even though we've seen him crush vastly more durable. Only an imbecile of epic proportions would even dream of taking such a stance. Vader crushes or Mind rapes Caine is a matter of moments. Unless of course you have mind resistance feats for Caine.. surely you must By the same logic you take the stance surfer can create a black hole in an anus. You accept the manner in which surfer fights Thanos but want to ignore how vader fights his opponents and start acting like h1 and making up claims.

10 infinite mass lunches and black holes in people's eyes. You're a hypocrite and a simpleton. You don't even understand what you're saying half the time.

WUT??? that literally made no sense at all. Vader has been shown USING TK... whether than be a force push... a force choke or crushing objects. he's been SHOWN doing so. Shown CRUSHING objects VASTLY more durable than a human. You didn't take the stance that he wouldn't fight that way. You took the stance that Caine was too fast for him... or the great "doing something to a metal object with no brain is easier than a somebody fighting back" Not true... there is no time needed to do this. Vader reactions are faster than Caine... he just needs to think it and it will happen. We arent' talking about strategy here or a battle of wills. We're talking about Vader crushing something vastly more durable than a human... You should concede the point that he could crush him... instead you dodge and hide and go.. well it's different doing it to a human than a machine.. WUT???

Difference is Surfer hasn't done the things he claims Surfer can do. he's never put a blackhole in somebody like that. Vader has force choked somebody and force crushed somebody. It's not comparable

Now, the force crush notwithstanding. Can you give me any of Caine's TP resistance feats? Vader doesn't even need to force crush.. he can simply TP him for the easy win. Any resistance feats for Caine?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WUT??? that literally made no sense at all. Vader has been shown USING TK... whether than be a force push... a force choke or crushing objects. he's been SHOWN doing so. Shown CRUSHING objects VASTLY more durable than a human. You didn't take the stance that he wouldn't fight that way. You took the stance that Caine was too fast for him... or the great "doing something to a metal object with no brain is easier than a somebody fighting back" Not true... there is no time needed to do this. Vader reactions are faster than Caine... he just needs to think it and it will happen. We arent' talking about strategy here or a battle of wills. We're talking about Vader crushing something vastly more durable than a human... You should concede the point that he could crush him... instead you dodge and hide and go.. well it's different doing it to a human than a machine.. WUT???

Difference is Surfer hasn't done the things he claims Surfer can do. he's never put a blackhole in somebody like that. Vader has force choked somebody and force crushed somebody. It's not comparable

Now, the force crush notwithstanding. Can you give me any of Caine's TP resistance feats? Vader doesn't even need to force crush.. he can simply TP him for the easy win. Any resistance feats for Caine? Surfer has been shown creating black holes so if he can create them in space why not in an anus ? Please do not be a hypocritical fool. You're an awful debater. Yes, there is since time is required to destroy or be applied. Do you even realize it took him time to destroy the surroundings in revenge if the sigh when he found out padme was killed. Quit making things up. I've seen vader use to against obi in rots but why not instantly kill him ? You're claiming he can without a single example. Fanboy.

Vader has also never killed anyone like that. Are you really this moronic you don't get the point. Surfer doesn't create black holes in buttholes and Vader doesn't insta kill anyone with tk. Not ever.

You skipped over the question again... odd.

What feats of TP resistance does Caine have? Please provide them

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that is incorrect. We don't get to apply someone's powers and apply them in any way you want. Take for example the silver surfer can create black holes. So some fanboy like yourself says he creates one in the other guys anus. That is not how it works, fanboy.

If Silver Surfer can create a black hole to suck in a planet, he can create one to suck in a human. You fail



Yeah, ignoring CIS and comparing their abilities, that's how it works and if you don't like it you should go to one of those DBZ and Narutotard infested cesspits



When someone says shit like this you can tell they're desperate. If you're not gonna use numbers, what the **** else are you gonna use to quantify a character? Zigzags? Squiggles?

Without it, you have no basis to compare characters, and if you're not using math to quantify and compare characters, then what the **** you're doing in a vs debate is beyond me



"baww bias"

Yeah that's what I thought



Speak for yourself



Prove it



He doesn't force crush people all the time

CIS also isn't valid in vs debates unless stated that it is by the OP

GG troll

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You skipped over the question again... odd.

What feats of TP resistance does Caine have? Please provide them Do you know what Vader's powers even are ?



You're like a poor man's h1. Black holes in the anus and 10 infinite mass punches.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If Silver Surfer can create a black hole to suck in a planet, he can create one to suck in a human. You fail



Yeah, ignoring CIS and comparing their abilities, that's how it works and if you don't like it you should go to one of those DBZ and Narutotard infested cesspits



When someone says shit like this you can tell they're desperate. If you're not gonna use numbers, what the **** else are you gonna use to quantify a character? Zigzags? Squiggles?

Without it, you have no basis to compare characters, and if you're not using math to quantify and compare characters, then what the **** you're doing in a vs debate is beyond me



"baww bias"

Yeah that's what I thought



Speak for yourself



Prove it



He doesn't force crush people all the time

CIS also isn't valid in vs debates unless stated that it is by the OP

GG troll I didn't say that. I said he can create black holes in a more powerful characters anus. Actually grasp what I'm saying you dummy.

I argue based on what we see not what your imagination cooks up. I also do not ignore anything that is canon. You make up feats and ignore evidence.

I am glad you admit you're biased.

You need to calm down.

You made the claim. There isn't any proof he can or would do that to a human.


Continue to make up feats and ignore evidence, troll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that. I said he can create black holes in a more powerful characters anus. Actually grasp what I'm saying you dummy.

If he can create a black hole on a planet, he can easily create one on a human

GG troll



We see Vader force crush an AT-AT. That is something that happened

GG on torpedoing yourself, troll



Try: mocking your debating "skills"



Love how that's all you have to say



Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT

Your move



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Originally posted by StealthRanger
If he can create a black hole on a planet, he can easily create one on a human

GG troll



We see Vader force crush an AT-AT. That is something that happened

GG on torpedoing yourself, troll



Try: mocking your debating "skills"



Love how that's all you have to say



Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT

Your move



http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/321/722/461.gif He does not create black holes up people's anuses. So it's the same thing. People can't make up the application of said powers without proof.

We see him force choke people and take close to ten seconds to kill. Evidence. A human is not an At At.



You conceded you're biased.

Did you forget about my entire post ? Quit lying, troll.

Force choke people. In character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does not create black holes up people's anuses. So it's the same thing. People can't make up the application of said powers without proof.

He can suck people into black holes

You should just stop, you're getting desperate

OT: Why do you keep bringing up penises and anuses? Are you a homo?



You're right, an AT-AT>>>>>a human

Also yeah, force choke, not force crush

Nice job torpedoing yourself, again



What post? :maybe



CIS does not apply in vs debates unless stated otherwise

IOW, you have no leg to stand on

Thanks for playing

I'm going with Vader. The Maine Wizard dude would have been a better choice.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
He can suck people into black holes

You should just stop, you're getting desperate

OT: Why do you keep bringing up penises and anuses? Are you a homo?



You're right, an AT-AT>>>>>a human

Also yeah, force choke, not force crush

Nice job torpedoing yourself, again



What post? :maybe



CIS does not apply in vs debates unless stated otherwise

IOW, you have no leg to stand on

Thanks for playing You are hopeless. I am not saying whether or not he can use them I'm saying he can't create them up people's buttholes unless he does so. Point just flew over your head four times.

He's never used the tactic on a human opponent but he has force choked.

You're helpless.

You dismiss things and make things up. I argue based off what the characters do not what I want them to do. I'm objective whereas you're biased.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are hopeless. I am not saying whether or not he can use them I'm saying he can't create them up people's buttholes unless he does so. Point just flew over your head four times.

IOW, you're just being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss Vader's feats

Nice try, but Vader's feats are still at the point where he can crush a human if he wanted to

GG



Been there done that, why would he need to use force crush on a human thoughout the series



I think you're the last person to be saying this



Vader force crushing an AT-AT isn't something made up, it's an actual feat

You're just grasping at straws, please leave while you still have a shred of dignity

Originally posted by StealthRanger
IOW, you're just being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss Vader's feats

Nice try, but Vader's feats are still at the point where he can crush a human if he wanted to

GG



Been there done that, why would he need to use force crush on a human thoughout the series



I think you're the last person to be saying this



Vader force crushing an AT-AT isn't something made up, it's an actual feat

You're just grasping at straws, please leave while you still have a shred of dignity Vader has never done so but keep pretending he crushes humans all the time. What about when hondo had he, Obi, and dooku held captive ? Bunch of dirtbag pirates who held powerful Jedi captive despite no force powers.

Because he's been held captive by lessers and crushed by Obi. Obi decimated him in rots.


Delusional.

He can force crush an At At but not a human since he's never done that. I'm consistent with what he's done. You and your weirdo imagination.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader has never done so but keep pretending he crushes humans all the time. What about when hondo had he, Obi, and dooku held captive ? Bunch of dirtbag pirates who held powerful Jedi captive despite no force powers.

Ahahaha, gotta love this, you try to bring up low end showings for Star Wars yet try to deny the same shit in Harry Potter where wizards hide from muggles because a schmuck with a shotgun has a 50-50 chance of killing any wizard

You're a god damn hypocritical troll

And no quan "durr didn't do it in every single situation he ever appeared so that means he's not allowed to use it here" is not a valid argument



Comedy gold on citing low end showings as evidence



Obi-Wan only lost because Anakin's arrogance and pulling a stupid move on Obi, rather than Obi defeating him in terms of power

Also

>implies losing to Obi-Wan in some kind of low end showing

And what does "decimated in rots" even mean you inbred retard?



Crushing an AT-AT>>>>crushing a human, as has been said several times

You're just in denial, actually in accept your (eighth) concession since you haven't given any sensible reason as to why Vader couldn't force crush a human, just bawwing "THEY'RE NOT THE SAME"

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Ahahaha, gotta love this, you try to bring up low end showings for Star Wars yet try to deny the same shit in Harry Potter where wizards hide from muggles because a schmuck with a shotgun has a 50-50 chance of killing any wizard

You're a god damn hypocritical troll

And no quan "durr didn't do it in every single situation he ever appeared so that means he's not allowed to use it here" is not a valid argument



Comedy gold on citing low end showings as evidence



Obi-Wan only lost because Anakin's arrogance and pulling a stupid move on Obi, rather than Obi defeating him in terms of power

Also

>implies losing to Obi-Wan in some kind of low end showing

And what does "decimated in rots" even mean you inbred retard?



Crushing an AT-AT>>>>crushing a human, as has been said several times

You're just in denial, actually in accept your (eighth) concession since you haven't given any sensible reason as to why Vader couldn't force crush a human, just bawwing "THEY'RE NOT THE SAME" what wizard in the films hid from a muggle with a shotgun ? You are pathetic. Hondo held force users captives like absolute weaklings. Canon. Undeniable. Why no force crush ?

It is canon and is evidence. Cry more over undeniable facts. You said when has he needed to use it and I cited an example. You cried. I laughed.

Obi defeated him through superior skill and intelligence. Anakin is an idiot and too arrogant which is a huge disadvantage.

Decimated in revenge of the sith. You don't even know what the name of the film was Obi killed him. Ignorance.

Hondo, Obi, dooku crushing him in aotc. Examples. Caine wins quicker than Hondo took to hold him and Obi as prisoners.

Originally posted by quanchi112
what wizard in the films hid from a muggle with a shotgun ?

I don't know, fact that the whole wizarding world hides from the real world, because they'd get stomped in conventional warfare

Unless all those concerns of wizards being killed by muggles were just my imagination



No u



Because it had an army of beings who posses weapons that could kill them, and attacking them would just mean the far more numerous enemy would attack them and kill them. Sometimes powers are handled far more intellegently in fiction then just nuking the **** out of everything like a shonen manga



Because using force crush on Hondo or something would get them fired upon by everybody else, duh ya dipshit



Obi only won because Anakin decided to jump against Obi-Wan in what would have been a suicide move, it was far from a case of Obi being more powerful. Since we don't consider CIS to be a factor here, this is null and void, moving on



You should have said "ROTS" not "rot" you dumb shit



Been there done that



Dooku didn't crush him in AOTC, stop making shit up

Same AOTC has Dooku ripping bolted durasteel and force crushing part of a massive pillar



Anakin's not massively outnumbered here, and CIS isn't off, so Anakin force crushes him like a walnut unless you can show me one durability feat of Caine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you know what Vader's powers even are ?



You're like a poor man's h1. Black holes in the anus and 10 infinite mass punches.

So you had no idea that jedi's can mind rape people? No wonder you're such a moron when it comes to SW characters in vs. threads. I first thought it was because you were being intentionally obtuse. Now it's clear that you don't have the slightest clue and the characters and their powerset.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I don't know, fact that the whole wizarding world hides from the real world, because they'd get stomped in conventional warfare

Unless all those concerns of wizards being killed by muggles were just my imagination



No u



Because it had an army of beings who posses weapons that could kill them, and attacking them would just mean the far more numerous enemy would attack them and kill them. Sometimes powers are handled far more intellegently in fiction then just nuking the **** out of everything like a shonen manga



Because using force crush on Hondo or something would get them fired upon by everybody else, duh ya dipshit



Obi only won because Anakin decided to jump against Obi-Wan in what would have been a suicide move, it was far from a case of Obi being more powerful. Since we don't consider CIS to be a factor here, this is null and void, moving on



You should have said "ROTS" not "rot" you dumb shit



Been there done that



Dooku didn't crush him in AOTC, stop making shit up

Same AOTC has Dooku ripping bolted durasteel and force crushing part of a massive pillar



Anakin's not massively outnumbered here, and CIS isn't off, so Anakin force crushes him like a walnut unless you can show me one durability feat of Caine So no examples just some random interview that didn't pertain to the films whatsoever. This seems to sum up your debating. Screw proof and just make shit up what happened. Voldemort would have dominated the real world. Imperio, etc.

Concession accepted.

So you agree that their combined powers meant shit against their combined forces. Three of the elite Jedi despite their powers just submitted to Hondo and his rag tag bunch of misfits. Khan himself took on the Klingons and three of the enterprise crew and came out on top, easily. He was vastly outnumbered. Khan is a man's man while these Jedi were cowards.

Look at Caine also take on foes in far greater numbers and came out on top.

There were three of them. I guess three elite Jedi are less than Hondo and his shitty pirates. Glad to hear you admit that.

I never said Obi was more powerful I said he crushed him. Lost limbs and tears while he burned. I can't think of a more humiliating way to take an L. Obi warned him not to jump. Anakins own opponent told him please don't and Anakin the dumbass that he is did it. What an absolute moron.

Way to go Darth Vader.

Read your own quote' decimated in rots"......

I always said rots. You even said it and were too dumb to figure it out.

I cited an example. It's feels great using evidence to support my stances unlike your imagination.

Dooku beat Anakin twice in attack of the clones and easily. Watch the film. Dooku owned his stupid charging ass.

You have no examples and Caine unlike Anakin doesn't submit when massively outnumbered in combat. Show me a clip of Vader doing so to a umma kid opponent. You made the claim.

Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again?

He doesn't, but Vader's not known for using much TP aside from mind trick, and that's resistible with simple strong will.

The TP mind trick as you call it has worked more times on screen than it's failed. That's the reality of it. Not saying it for sure will work, but what we do know, is that it's another option Vader has at his disposal that Caine might not be able to deal with

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he can create black holes in a more powerful characters anus.

#homosexconfirmed (again)

#getmadnow (again)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again? Who has Anakin tp defeated in battle. Feats. You made the claim.

Originally posted by Robtard
#homosexconfirmed (again)

#getmadnow (again) You wish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So no examples just some random interview that didn't pertain to the films whatsoever. This seems to sum up your debating. Screw proof and just make shit up what happened. Voldemort would have dominated the real world. Imperio, etc.

So according to you wizards being scared of being killed if they were detected by humans and WoG saying a schmuck with a shotgun can defeat any wizard don't count

Nice double standards



Well if Hondo can capture Jedi he's just that damn awesome



So he took on some Redshirts and had cover and shit, yeah, that's totally something a Jedi couldn't replicate

It's not like Khan stood in an empty battleground in the middle of every enemy and stomped them while tanking their fire



You're going to have to be far more definitve than that



They were surrounded by blasters, at least in Dooku's case

So say nothing of the fact that this is the same series where you have Plo Koon moving a space pod with his telekinesis, Darth Maul moving a spaceship, Ashoka and some younglings collapsing a cliff-face

Or even in the movies where Obi-Wan and Yoda take on multiple squads of Clone Troopers outside the Temple, or Anakin and Obi-Wan taking on entire squads of Droids, etc



And as has been said to you several times throughout the MvF, Anakin lost solely due to CIS on his part, been there done that moving on



You haven't countered anything. You have simply stonewalled, ignored evidence, resorted to pedantiscm and nitpicked low end showings

Nice try, but it doesn't override actual feats



Good for Dooku, not sure what your argument was supposed to be though, retard



Vader force crushed an AT-AT, he can force crush Caine, unless you can show me a feat that suggests Caine can survive force enough to crush heavy durasteel machinery

#feats #can'tbedenied

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So according to you wizards being scared of being killed if they were detected by humans and WoG saying a schmuck with a shotgun can defeat any wizard don't count

Nice double standards



Well if Hondo can capture Jedi he's just that damn awesome



So he took on some Redshirts and had cover and shit, yeah, that's totally something a Jedi couldn't replicate

It's not like Khan stood in an empty battleground in the middle of every enemy and stomped them while tanking their fire



You're going to have to be far more definitve than that



They were surrounded by blasters, at least in Dooku's case

So say nothing of the fact that this is the same series where you have Plo Koon moving a space pod with his telekinesis, Darth Maul moving a spaceship, Ashoka and some younglings collapsing a cliff-face

Or even in the movies where Obi-Wan and Yoda take on multiple squads of Clone Troopers outside the Temple, or Anakin and Obi-Wan taking on entire squads of Droids, etc



And as has been said to you several times throughout the MvF, Anakin lost solely due to CIS on his part, been there done that moving on



You haven't countered anything. You have simply stonewalled, ignored evidence, resorted to pedantiscm and nitpicked low end showings

Nice try, but it doesn't override actual feats



Good for Dooku, not sure what your argument was supposed to be though, retard



Vader force crushed an AT-AT, he can force crush Caine, unless you can show me a feat that suggests Caine can survive force enough to crush heavy durasteel machinery

#feats #can'tbedenied This isn't the books and the movies were different so you're also breaking the rules as well as making shit up.

No, it's the Jedi are overrated. Force powers meant shit there to non force users just like I said.

Khan stood right out in the open. He was easily seen and not hiding in cover. He wrecked shop. He took down a Klingon airship or two as well as their reinforcements. Hondo and some dipshit pirates held three force users hostage.

Watch the film.

Anakin is no Yoda. Anakin is some turd who was defeated by Obi. anakin was taken prisoner along with Dooku and Obi. Undeniable.m your feats aren't the same thing as beating live beings hence the reason Dooku was unable with help by his force powers to overtake Hondo. Canon.

That is a fact. Your speculation is not. Anakin lost. Game over. Your tears are enjoyable.


What have I ignored ?

Someone easily beating Anakin because he's stupid and arrogant.

Vader has never force crushed a human being and has been captured without using his force powers to get him out of it. Evidence >>>>your imagination.

IOW: "Just because Darth Vader can crush metal it doesn't mean he can crush softer skin, sinew and muscle!"

You're so awful at this, quanchi112 <--- at you right now

Originally posted by quanchi112
Butthurt wall of stonewalling, ABC logic and downplaying

Yeah, when you have the feats to suggest Caine can survive being crushed with enough force to crush an AT-AT, let me know

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: "Just because Darth Vader can crush metal it doesn't mean he can crush softer skin, sinew and muscle!"

You're so awful at this, quanchi112 <--- at you right now He has never done so. Dooku has as well but he didn't do so when Hondo had him as his prisoner.

Fanfic all you want.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah, when you have the feats to suggest Caine can survive being crushed with enough force to crush an AT-AT, let me know I knew I'd break you. Ignoring my posts means you're broken.

When Vader does that to a person let me know. He force chokes and that takes time. Caine kills him. Han even got shots off at him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never done so. Dooku has as well but he didn't do so when Hondo had him as his prisoner.

Fanfic all you want.

IOW: "Just because Yoda lifted an X-Wing, it doesn't mean he can lift a baseball, because he never lifted a baseball with the Force!"

Just awful at this

"Just because he does it to a heavily armored vehicle that can tank heavy laser cannons, doesn't mean he can do it to a far less durable thing such a a human"

You're not even trying, you have no idea what you're talking about

Your post had no substance and nothing worth responding to, hence why I responded as I did

Well you know, ignoring the fact that Vader deflected Han's attacks but you know, downplayers gon' downplay

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: "Just because Yoda lifted an X-Wing, it doesn't mean he can lift a baseball, because he never lifted a baseball with the Force!"

Just awful at this He can lift a baseball or forcepush Palpatine but acting like he rips him apart is a fanfic.

By your own logic he can't lift a baseball because he never did specifically that. You can't have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"Just because he does it to a heavily armored vehicle that can tank heavy laser cannons, doesn't mean he can do it to a far less durable thing such a a human"

You're not even trying, you have no idea what you're talking about

Your post had no substance and nothing worth responding to, hence why I responded as I did

Well you know, ignoring the fact that Vader deflected Han's attacks but you know, downplayers gon' downplay Then provide proof of him doing so. If you can't then it isn't evidence it's a fanfic.

I argue based off facts you argue based off made up feats.

You conceded. Amazing.

He got hit. Caine finishes him with his superior firepower.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then provide proof of him doing so. If you can't then it isn't evidence it's a fanfic.

He force crushes an AT-AT, you're not doing anything other than stonewalling at this point



Crushing an AT-AT is not a made up feat



There was no concession



Baseless assertion

You just argued that Vader can't do something unless specifically shown, regardless of greater feats. Now I have you backtracking. So easy to get you to turn on yourself. Disturbingly easy. You've lost and are broken, quanchi112.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
By your own logic he can't lift a baseball because he never did specifically that. You can't have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along Different application of power. He can lift objects that weigh less but he can't tear apart a human since he's never done so. Quit making shit up.

Originally posted by Robtard
You just argued that Vader can't do something unless specifically shown, regardless of greater feats. Now I have you backtracking. So easy to get you to turn on yourself. Disturbingly easy. You've lost and are broken, quanchi112. I never said he couldn't pish something that weighs less than something he's force pushed. He can't tear people apart. That's not the same thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Different application of power. He can lift objects that weigh less but he can't tear apart a human since he's never done so. Quit making shit up.

"He crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush a much less durable object like a human"

You're not even trying

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he couldn't pish something that weighs less than something he's force pushed. He can't tear people apart. That's not the same thing.

You said he couldn't use Force-crush on a body because he's never done so, regardless that he's crushed something more difficult (metal). You're desperately doing flips now and backtracking, it's hilarious. Too easy.

According to Quanchi human bodies are much more durable than AT-AT's. Wonder why AT-AT's were ever a threat in Star Wars now that Quanchi has enlightened us

Quan is arguing movie feats only which technically he is correct, its never happened on screen.

George has never been into gore, so that would be kinda out of the question unless its shown in new movies.

Sure if Vadar could crush and AT-AT the can crush a human.

Seems IMP needs to rule on this, cause no one is going to agree.

I thought shit like Clone Wars and Disney Canon shit was allowed in vs debates here?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"He crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush a much less durable object like a human"

You're not even trying Its never occurred. Quit with the fanfics.

Originally posted by Robtard
You said he couldn't use Force-crush on a body because he's never done so, regardless that he's crushed something more difficult (metal). You're desperately doing flips now and backtracking, it's hilarious. Too easy. Hes never force crushed a humanoid. You can argue inanimate objects but you don't get to say since Vader force crushed the surroundings after hearing of Padmes death he insta crushed Palpatine.

It's ridiculous and fanfic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its never occurred. Quit with the fanfics.

Crushing AT-AT occurred



>uses Palpatine as a counterargument

You can let go of the straws now darling

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Crushing AT-AT occurred



>uses Palpatine as a counterargument

You can let go of the straws now darling I never denied that. He does not crush humanoids though. Never occurred.

You are fanficing. That simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never denied that. He does not crush humanoids though. Never occurred.

You are fanficing. That simple.

"He may have crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush something many times less durable like a human"

You're a terrible troll

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"He may have crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush something many times less durable like a human"

You're a terrible troll You don't have. A single example. Force users go up against humanoids all the time. You're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have. A single example. Poor de users go up against humanoids all the time. You're an idiot.

"Poor de users", and improper sentence structure? You seem nervous and unstable, quanchi-kun

Crushing an AT-AT is an example, unless according to you Yoda can't lift a teacup with the force because he never did specifically that

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"Poor de users", and improper sentence structure? You seem nervous and unstable, quanchi-kun

Crushing an AT-AT is an example, unless according to you Yoda can't lift a teacup with the force because he never did specifically that autocorrected. Chill out, nerd.

Yoda has lifted greater objects but that doesn't help Yoda force push Palpatine any harder. We see him use his force powers on a human body,

Hard push.

When did Vader ever rip apart a human ? I've seen him force choke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
autocorrected. Chill out, nerd.

"Poor de" users



And Vader force crushed more durable objects you dumb shit



Good on palpatine for surviving Yoda's attacks, means he's that durable, though nice to see you're back to reiterating debunked arguments



He force crushed an AT-AT, he can do the same to a much less durable thing

And you say him force choke? Really? That's mad bruh

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"Poor de" users



And Vader force crushed more durable objects you dumb shit



Good on palpatine for surviving Yoda's attacks, means he's that durable, though nice to see you're back to reiterating debunked arguments



He force crushed an AT-AT, he can do the same to a much less durable thing

And you say him force choke? Really? That's mad bruh So emotional. He's been held prisoner before despite having force users. He's never done so.

He's an old man. he survived a force push. Big deal. Winds kicked him effort and his saber came right out., his own force lightning scarred his face forever.

Provide an example. Fanficing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So emotional. He's been held prisoner before despite having force users. He's never done so.

"He crushed an AT-AT but that doesn't mean he can force crush something far less durable like a human!"

Keep digging son



If he survived attacks from Yoda, then he's durable

He could be a scrawny 5 year old who hadn't had anything to eat for year for all I care, if he tanked that shit, he tanked that shit

Also why is being an old man supposed to matter? I mean, Whitebeard from One Piece is an "old man", yet he'd shitkick both characters here at the same time, kill every named character from both verses, stomp the **** out of Khan and solo the Harry Potter universe for the **** of it. In fiction such titles are just arbitary labels and nothing else

And the whole "he did this feat so he could obviously perform something much lesser if he wanted" line of thing applies across fiction or it doesn't full stop, you cannot have it both ways



Windu being the greatest Jedi duelist in the entire order, yeah that's totally some kind of low end showing, not

And Palpatine's force lightning is simply that powerful

Nice attempt at downplaying though, you fail



Been there done that, crushing an AT-AT means he can force crush a human

Moving on

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"He crushed an AT-AT but that doesn't mean he can force crush something far less durable like a human!"

Keep digging son



If he survived attacks from Yoda, then he's durable

He could be a scrawny 5 year old who hadn't had anything to eat for year for all I care, if he tanked that shit, he tanked that shit

Also why is being an old man supposed to matter? I mean, Whitebeard from One Piece is an "old man", yet he'd shitkick both characters here at the same time, kill every named character from both verses, stomp the **** out of Khan and solo the Harry Potter universe for the **** of it. In fiction such titles are just arbitary labels and nothing else

And the whole "he did this feat so he could obviously perform something much lesser if he wanted" line of thing applies across fiction or it doesn't full stop, you cannot have it both ways



Windu being the greatest Jedi duelist in the entire order, yeah that's totally some kind of low end showing, not

And Palpatine's force lightning is simply that powerful

Nice attempt at downplaying though, you fail



Been there done that, crushing an AT-AT means he can force crush a human

Moving on Then post him doing so.

It was just a force push. Obi and Anakin both survived force pushes.

Palpatines body is shit and geriatric.

It was a regular kick nothing forced induced.

Luke walked away with no scarring and was hit for s much longer time period with it. Palpatine is weak.

That isn't an example of him insta crushing a human.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then post him doing so.

Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT>>>>>



Anakin and Obi-Wan are simply that durable as well

You can let go of the straw now, asspie



Right, because moving so fast that ****ers like Anakin can't see shit is totally a sign of physical weakness

You're not even debating feats, you're just using titles and making retarded generalisations



It's clearly powerful if it can disarm Palpatine



Palpatine was torturing Luke



You're right, it's an example of him doing much much better than crushing a human

GG

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT>>>>>



Anakin and Obi-Wan are simply that durable as well

You can let go of the straw now, asspie



Right, because moving so fast that ****ers like Anakin can't see shit is totally a sign of physical weakness

You're not even debating feats, you're just using titles and making retarded generalisations



It's clearly powerful if it can disarm Palpatine



Palpatine was torturing Luke



You're right, it's an example of him doing much much better than crushing a human

GG So ?? How long did the feat take ? Why do you ignore how tk functions in the Star Wars universe.

Force lightning ko'd Anakin easily. Obi was hurt many times and was physically tossed around by jango fett.

His body is still older. He can use force powers but attacking his body is attacking his body. Force powers don't alter his old putrid body just amp his movements at the time. Again that's how it works. Yoda wouldn't need a cane if his body was in tip top shape.

Palpatine was disarmed in both of his saber fights. It was just a well placed kick. Implying windu can kick through steel is ridiculous.


He said afterwards he will now die. He took the concentrated blasts for a decent amount of time and walked away with no damage.



Why has he never force crushed a human then ? Are humans as slow as At At's ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hes never force crushed a humanoid. You can argue inanimate objects but you don't get to say since Vader force crushed the surroundings after hearing of Padmes death he insta crushed Palpatine.

It's ridiculous and fanfic.

Back to: "Vader can't crush flesh even though he has crushed metal!" + "Vader can only use the Force for exactly what we've seen, no exceptions, even if he's already done a logically greater feat!"

You're so awful at this. Maybe you should go back to focusing on your Nintendo Wii games or something, harmless guy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Back to: "Vader can't crush flesh even though he has crushed metal!" + "Vader can only use the Force for exactly what we've seen, no exceptions, even if he's already done a logically greater feat!"

You're so awful at this. Maybe you should go back to focusing on your Nintendo Wii games or something, harmless guy. Has he ever done so ? Nah. So the only thing Vader supporters have is one feat applied to all debates but hey we aren't scripting because this thing he did one time he does every time now. Fanboy 101.

You don't realize how the force works. If it was easy to force insta kill bounty hunters I think we'd have seen one example but hey **** it the at at feat in every thread. **** examples. He did it once so he does it in the first millisecond.

Is it time to screen cap fanfic captions ??

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has he ever done so ? Nah. So the only thing Vader supporters have is one feat applied to all debates but hey we aren't scripting because this thing he did one time he does every time now. Fanboy 101.

You don't realize how the force works. If it was easy to force insta kill bounty hunters I think we'd have seen one example but hey **** it the at at feat in every thread. **** examples. He did it once so he does it in the first millisecond.

Is it time to screen cap fanfic captions ??



Greater feat > lesser feat. You know this, at least you should considering you spend the majority of your time in here.

Now you're scripting, good job

Vader crushing metal in EP3 is canon, you silly Star Wars tourist. Did you not pay attention again?

Originally posted by Robtard
Greater feat > lesser feat. You know this, at least you should considering you spend the majority of your time in here.

Now you're scripting, good job

Vader crushing metal in EP3 is canon, you silly Star Wars tourist. Did you not pay attention again? Apples and oranges. Can at At's maneuver quickly ? How long did the feat take ?

No, I argue based off what the characters are likely to do not what I want them to do. Fanboy 101.


Want me to time that out ? Does his opponent stand there in awe while he blindly rages and cries out ? Let's time Caine shooting and Vader crushing those surroundings and see what's faster.



Ready ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Apples and oranges. Can at At's maneuver quickly ? How long did the feat take ?


No, I argue based off what the characters are likely to do not what I want them to do. Fanboy 101.

Want me to time that out ? Does his opponent stand there in awe while he blindly rages and cries out ? Let's time Caine shooting and Vader crushing those surroundings and see what's faster.



Ready ?

Good lord, you don't even now what I'm referencing from the film. Did I say "AT-AT"? No.

Nope, you're trying to script and doing the same tired: "Vader can only use the Force in the very specific ways we've seen!" It's a failed tactic and Imp already ruled that nonsense out when the MVF started. Greater feats > lesser feats.

Now you've dropped the "Vader can't use Force-crush on a body" and are arguing who's faster. That at least is an honest approach. See, I can teach you

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Robtard
Good lord, you don't even now what I'm referencing from the film. Did I say "AT-AT"? No.

Nope, you're trying to script and doing the same tired: "Vader can only use the Force in the very specific ways we've seen!" It's a failed tactic and Imp already ruled that nonsense out when the MVF started. Greater feats > lesser feats.

Now you've dropped the "Vader can't use Force-crush on a body" and are arguing who's faster. That at least is an honest approach. See, I can teach you Ok so you won't reference the at at because you don't know, good.

Well we argue based off the timing of the feats. We don't say he kills you in a millisecond if we've never seen him do so.

So you want to ignore the timing of the feat you called into question.

He wouldn't use it but I'm humoring you and timing out the probability of attacks and what is faster.

I'll also post tk feats from Yoda, Dooku, Anakin, etc. to see how long their tk feats take in the films. Greater objects or feats take a lot of focus and concentration and them standing still and not attacking. You do realize how these powers work, right ?

you edited. I'll respond to the force pull. Han Solo is not even in the same league as Caine. Their strength is entirely different and in the same feat you referenced even he was fast enough to fire a few shots at Vader.

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match. I forced you to scrap it the entire fight and rage loop all two masterful posts.

You assume Caine is equal to Han Solo because based off your logic if you punch out a fifth grader you can punch out an mma fighter, right ?

When has Vader ever pinpointed someone's boots while in combat and destroyed them before he can react. Based off the force crush objects feats he needs seconds and his total concentration on it so does Caine just stand there despite his maneuverability feats while in the gravity boots in the film ? Suddenly he's stationary and the only combatant doing anything is Vader.

You're a pisspoor debater. Continue to repeat yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I forced you to scrap it the entire fight and rage loop all two masterful posts.

You assume Caine is equal to Han Solo because based off your logic if you punch out a fifth grader you can punch out an mma fighter, right ?

When has Vader ever pinpointed someone's boots while in combat and destroyed them before he can react. Based off the force crush objects feats he needs seconds and his total concentration on it so does Caine just stand there despite his maneuverability feats while in the gravity boots in the film ? Suddenly he's stationary and the only combatant doing anything is Vader.

You're a pisspoor debater. Continue to repeat yourself.

You're doing a "no you!", basically saying back to me what I already noted about you. Pathetic.

When did I make that comment? You're strawmanning now. Caine being stronger than Han is irrelevant. Vader is one of the most powerful Force users in SW.

Back to the same nonsense as before, this time it's: "Vader never attacked someone's boots so he can't!"

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

edit: Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick

Originally posted by Robtard
You're doing a "no you!", basically saying back to me what I already noted about you. Pathetic.

Caine being stronger than Han is irrelevant. Vader is one of the most powerful Force users in SW.

Back to the same nonsense as before, this time it's: "Vader never attacked someone's boots so he can't!"

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match. So someone's strength is irrelevant when holding something Vader tries to pull away ?

So even if it's the hulk Vader is too powerful and rips it away the same way ? You're heinous at debating and ignoring strength from some shitty Han Solo to Caine Wise.

He can but he needs his concentration and too much time to do so. Since when does he force push weapons away and just insta crush energy gear before an opponent can attack ? Hell, in the feat you suggested Han is fast enough to fire twice.

Caine stands still. His strength doesn't matter and Vader just force does everything too fast despite the timing of his own feats in his own films. Evidence doesn't matter. Robbie brings up a feat I time it and Robbie says ignore it.

Really, you can't follow the basics of a conversation? They'd have to be stronger physically than one of the strongest Force users in SW. Caine isn't, that's who is in this match. Not the Hulk, Superman, Darkseid or any other notable powerhouse. You're comparing the Hulk with Caine <--- at you right now

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick

Originally posted by Robtard
Really, you can't follow the basics of a conversation? They'd have to be stronger physically than one of the strongest Force users in SW. Caine isn't, that's who is in this match. Not the Hulk, Superman, Darkseid or any other notable powerhouse. You're comparing the Hulk with Caine <--- at you right now

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick No, they do not. It's like saying watch Obi force pull a light saber back and there's no way a person could have stopped that ? Han Solo unlike Caine isn't a stationary target. In that scene Vader laid in wait so Han was surprised. He still got two shots off. We see Caine move laterally all over the place with this boots while firing. A moving target who can move off the ground in a variety of angles is a much harder target than a stationary target in Han Solo while Vader laid in wait.

You said strength didn't matter so I picked a really strong character and watched your tune change, Now strength matters but a post ago it didn't matter.

Pull yourself together.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they do not. It's like saying watch Obi force pull a light saber back and there's no way a person could have stopped that ? Han Solo unlike Caine isn't a stationary target. In that scene Vader laid in wait so ha was surprised. He still got two shots off. We see Caine move laterally all over the place with this boots while firing. A moving target who can move off the ground in a variety of angles is a much harder target than a stationary lying in wait Han Solo.

You said strength didn't matter so I picked a really strong character and watched your tune change, Now strength matters but a post ago it didn't matter.

Pull yourself together.

You're back to your nonsense tactics: "Vader never used the Force on someone in the air, so he can't!" This is all you have in here.

In regards to Caine's level of strength, you know, the one Vader is facing here. This is basic reading comprehension.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick

Originally posted by Robtard
You're back to your nonsense tactics: "Vader never used the Force on someone in the air, so he can't!" This is all you have in here.

In regards to Caine's level of strength, you know, the one Vader is facing here. This is basic reading comprehension.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick smile I never said he couldn't but we can't ignore the variables that are here that weren't in the situations or feats you used.


Caine isn't an inanimate object that Vader destroyed in ROTS. Caine isn't Han Solo either. He isn't walking into a setup. You said strength didn't matter despite Vader just overcoming Han Solo's strength. You said only the force powers matter now strength matters. I always said it did. Hah Solo is nowhere near Caine. Period.

So both examples you brought forth have nothing to do with Caine, his strength, his skills, his abilities, or his movements.

So you're not even sure about your own argument now. Damn, I am GOOD

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick

Originally posted by Robtard
So you're not even sure about your own argument now. Damn, I am GOOD

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick I never said he couldn't I argued he wouldn't. Learn what words mean, noob.

You conceded point by point. You took an inferior opponent and glossed over Vader having the jump on him. Despite this he got off two shots because Vader was slower to react than Han Solo. Caine is stronger, can move 3 dimensionally in any angle, and has greater feats of skill, etc. than Han Solo.

Wrong, but now you're back to scripting. Don't script

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I thought shit like Clone Wars and Disney Canon shit was allowed in vs debates here?

It absolutely is, and I'm not sure why people are saying Quan is correct. Clone wars series material is fine in this section. Mods ruled on this awhile ago I believe

a horrendous display from Quan... It's simply ridiculous to think that somebody can crush something exponentially more durable than something else.. but can't crush the less durable object. That level of buffoonery is epic.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, but now you're back to scripting. Don't script

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick. You misunderstood what I said so I corrected you. I went with the characters behavior and what's likely not you cherry picking feats and ignoring how he fights.

I cited evidence. You bright uo instances then ignored the timing of said instances. You ignored your own evidence. I've never seen anyone that incompetent.

Caine is too quick, too skilled, and too fast to have that occur to him like Han who was set up by Vader to begin with.

Caine wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
a horrendous display from Quan... It's simply ridiculous to think that somebody can crush something exponentially more durable than something else.. but can't crush the less durable object. That level of buffoonery is epic. Any Jedi or force user has to have their complete focus in order to do so and we can time the feats and compare Caine shooting an opponent or Vader using his force powers. Want to see the evidence stack up, horse face.

Let's work on your spelling first. Khan from Into Darkness is spelled this way not Kahn. That's Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, horsey.

Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick. No, you couldn't even follow your own evidence. You ignored the timing, the situation, the characters, and unfairly interchanged a superior character in the role of Han Solo. You scripted the entire fight into another fanfic debating tactic.

Evidence supports my claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So ?? How long did the feat take ? Why do you ignore how tk functions in the Star Wars universe.

He did it fairly casually, he formed his hand into a fist and it happened?



>still implies being hurt by force lightning is a low end showing

You're not even trying, at this poin



Name one time where Jango Fett hurt Obi-Wan

Also, if Jango Fett can stand up to Obi-Wan, then good for him really (well ignoring Jango Fett was told to bring Jango back alive but, you know)



Red herring



Key difference being?



So you're just going to ignore his agility just because he uses a cane?

You're a ****ing idiot



And yet he beat Yoda



Wrong



>implies that kicking through steel is really that big a deal in fiction
>ignores that Obi-Wan physically bested Grievous who can punch and tear durasteel with his strength and Mace Windu>>>



Good for Luke



Could casually do so if he wanted to, it's just a stylistic choice



Nah, they're prolly slower, actually



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Originally posted by quanchi112
Any Jedi or force user has to have their complete focus in order to do so and we can time the feats and compare Caine shooting an opponent or Vader using his force powers. Want to see the evidence stack up, horse face.

Let's work on your spelling first. Khan from Into Darkness is spelled this way not Kahn. That's Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, horsey.

How can a moron like yourself be correcting anybody on spelling? You can barely put together a coherent sentence, let alone a argument. Your sentence structure is almost as piss poor as your debating skills. I'm beginning to think caving your face in to become smush face might have impacted your brain as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you couldn't even follow your own evidence. You ignored the timing, the situation, the characters, and unfairly interchanged a superior character in the role of Han Solo. You scripted the entire fight into another fanfic debating tactic.

Evidence supports my claims.

Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Thanks for reminding me Jupiter Ascending was a thing that exists. Darth Vader wins because he wasn't in Jupiter Ascending.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How can a moron like yourself be correcting anybody on spelling? You can barely put together a coherent sentence, let alone a argument. Your sentence structure is almost as piss poor as your debating skills. I'm beginning to think caving your face in to become smush face might have impacted your brain as well. I am right in how I spell his name whereas you are wrong.

Let me correct the very sentence you try to mock me.

"Let alone an argument.



This from the guy that said all beards were stupid. You're a train wreck and an idiot. You've never ever posted evidence just your opinion. Sad. Truly sad.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick. The rage loop is what you always regress to. One day maybe you'll be able to debate. Not today.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
He did it fairly casually, he formed his hand into a fist and it happened?



>still implies being hurt by force lightning is a low end showing

You're not even trying, at this poin



Name one time where Jango Fett hurt Obi-Wan

Also, if Jango Fett can stand up to Obi-Wan, then good for him really (well ignoring Jango Fett was told to bring Jango back alive but, you know)



Red herring



Key difference being?



So you're just going to ignore his agility just because he uses a cane?

You're a ****ing idiot



And yet he beat Yoda



Wrong



>implies that kicking through steel is really that big a deal in fiction
>ignores that Obi-Wan physically bested Grievous who can punch and tear durasteel with his strength and Mace Windu>>>



Good for Luke



Could casually do so if he wanted to, it's just a stylistic choice



Nah, they're prolly slower, actually



http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/321/722/461.gif How long did it take to happen ? Can you even tell me ? I can give multiple instances of double digit time it takes for Hugh end forced users doing something to impressive.

It is since it has not killed anyone on its own. We have seen many get zapped not not die. Worst we have seen is the facial scarring on Palpatine but he's old and this did not occur to Luke. Force lightning didn't ko Luke, Yoda, Windu, or Palpatine.

Watch the fight. When he was attacked he was hurt. They both hurt each other just not significantly enough to lose the fight. We have seen Cad Bane stand up to Jedi as well. The point is that force powers don't easily crush someone without them. I just gave two Star Wars examples.

No, it isn't. That's exactly how it works.

Yoda needs a cane without his force powers but with them he can leap all over the place. His body doesn't change he just taps into the force to amp himself.

He uses a cane because he needs to. As he walks he doesn't use force powers. When he taps into his powers he can move like a cat. The point is his body is stil old when it isn't tapping into the powers. You're a moron who can't even grasp what it is I'm saying because you're dense.

Point is he was 0-2 in fits of holding onto his saber. That was my point.

False. Windu had to wait till the proper moment to find an opening. Just a well timed placed kick.

Obi attacked grievous and hurt himself.

He killed him due to a gun.

So despite wanting to kill he walked away like nothing happened. Weak.

So no examples just imaginative feats.

False. More maneuverable, quicker, etc.

Caine Wise wins.

On a scale of 10 how bad did this movie suck?

10 being total suck

1 being it sucked bad.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
On a scale of 10 how bad did this movie suck?

10 being total suck

1 being it sucked bad. It was not the worst movie ever but on a scale of 10 I'd give it a 3.5.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How long did it take to happen ? Can you even tell me ? I can give multiple instances of double digit time it takes for Hugh end forced users doing something to impressive.

As long as it took him to form his hand into a fist. If you can't put 2 and 2 together, then I cannot help you



Because only people we've seen it used on are force users

"Superman punched people on his level and they survived his punches, so that means that he couldn't kill a person just with a shockwave of his punch"

That's essentially your argument



Good on them for surviving it



In that case, good on Jango if he can stand up to Jedi physically



They never used force powers on them you mong, and if Cad Bane can stand up to Jedi, either lolowendshowing or Cad Bane is just that good

Your only argument now is "he didn't use it every single situation he ever appeared in so he's not allowed to use it here", which isn't a valid argument, at all



Red herring



Yoda's feats of physicality exist whether you like them or not, your cane point is nothing but a red herring



Oh look, another red herring, moving on



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Your "point" is nothing more than an irrelevant tangent, that's not going to work here



Speculation



What the **** is your point? How does this change that Obi was able to physically overpower Grievous?



Grievous' own gun, which was calc'd over at SpaceBattles at being several megajoules due to vaporising his organs or some shit



Or Luke is just that durable, perhaps that seriously eluded you?



Crushing an AT-AT is not an imaginary feat

Neither is Dooku force crushing/ripping bolted machinery and pillars with the force

"He crushed an AT-AT but that doesn't mean he can crush humans which are way less durable!!11!!!"

You ****ing suck at debating



Prove it

Anyways Vader force crushed Caine's gravity boots, meaning Cain falls over unable to move and then force crushes his neck, killing him

/thread

Originally posted by StealthRanger
As long as it took him to form his hand into a fist. If you can't put 2 and 2 together, then I cannot help you



Because only people we've seen it used on are force users

"Superman punched people on his level and they survived his punches, so that means that he couldn't kill a person just with a shockwave of his punch"

That's essentially your argument



Good on them for surviving it



In that case, good on Jango if he can stand up to Jedi physically



They never used force powers on them you mong, and if Cad Bane can stand up to Jedi, either lolowendshowing or Cad Bane is just that good

Your only argument now is "he didn't use it every single situation he ever appeared in so he's not allowed to use it here", which isn't a valid argument, at all



Red herring



Yoda's feats of physicality exist whether you like them or not, your cane point is nothing but a red herring



Oh look, another red herring, moving on



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Your "point" is nothing more than an irrelevant tangent, that's not going to work here



Speculation



What the **** is your point? How does this change that Obi was able to physically overpower Grievous?



Grievous' own gun, which was calc'd over at SpaceBattles at being several megajoules due to vaporising his organs or some shit



Or Luke is just that durable, perhaps that seriously eluded you?



Crushing an AT-AT is not an imaginary feat

Neither is Dooku force crushing/ripping bolted machinery and pillars with the force

"He crushed an AT-AT but that doesn't mean he can crush humans which are way less durable!!11!!!"

You ****ing suck at debating



Prove it

Anyways Vader force crushed Caine's gravity boots, meaning Cain falls over unable to move and then force crushes his neck, killing him

/thread So you can't prove it. What medium was this feat in ? It is against forum rules but I'll allow it since you're so desperate. If you can't prove a time frame then you can't say it's immediately. Need proof.

They still have bodies which die from lasers, etc. tapping into the force is one thing but they have normal bodies when not tapping into the force.

Incorrect. Superman has feats to prove his invulnerability and his strength. Humans with force abilities still have human bodies auapectiable to damage outside their force abilities being used. That's my argument which is undeniable.

Again, it hasn't killed anyone so saying it can without proof is baseless. We have examples of people surviving. Force users were eradicated by order 66. Should I give examples of non force users killing or hurting Jedi with their weapons.



So you admit a skilled opponent can hurt a skilled Jedi. Enter Caine. Whose feats blow Jango's out of the water.

We see Obi use force powers against Jango.

Boom. That's proof destroying your imaginative debating skills.

Wrong. That's proof.

He needs to tap into the force to do the feats. When he does not tap I tot he force he needsa cane to walk. His feats with the force are fine but without the guy's body is so bad he needs a cane. He'd old.

I am not upset just talking down to you.

You said the kick was badass. It wasn't and palpatine was disarmed twice. It's a running gag in the Star Wars films how often they lose their sabers with George Lucas anyway.

So is your theory that it was the badass kick.

He was not able. He had to use his powers and shoot him with a saber. Obi can't overpower Grievous physically.

So by vaporizing limbs Khan's gun is flat out superior to this gun which took out a weak heart. Obi couldn't blow the heart up he needed to get the gun to do it. Just like what I've always been saying.

Luke lost a hand before fine. I have other examples of humans surviving it. Order 66 eradicated the force users. I still have one gigantic piece of proof to mock the Jedi I haven't used yet.

Movie feats only. At At is not a human. Give me the reference so I can verify. Comic or new book released ?


Dooku has but it took him many seconds. Want me to time it out ? We see him tear up machinery but not yoda.

You have to first post the feat and then I'll post skilled opponents reacting much faster than an at at.


Based on what ? Quit making things up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you can't prove it. What medium was this feat in ? It is against forum rules but I'll allow it since you're so desperate. If you can't prove a time frame then you can't say it's immediately. Need proof.

Blah blah downplaying, blah blah dishonest bullshit

Come back to me when you learn the difference between debating and spewing bullshit

Oh and it's Disney Canon so, it's all good



Been there done that, blasters are far more concentrated form of damage, blaster bolts vaporise 0.5m sections of durasteel, etc

And yeah, alot of fiction characters use some kind of energy to augment their physical abilities so, useless red herring



So do force users you dumb shit

The whole "did x so it'd logically be within his ability to do x which is way below it" applies universally or it doesn't apply at all, you can;t have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along



So Jedi aren't superhuman. Fascinating



"It didn't kill person of x level so it can't kill some schmuck who's way below it"

You're not even trying



You say that as if non force users in Star Wars aren't powerful as well or Star Wars weapons must be weak because they're wielded by non force users



If Jango can stand against Obi-Wan, then Jango's above Caine

Right "skilled opponent", such an excellent quantifier /sarcasm



No he doesn't



Nothing of substance here, more useless red herrings and irrelevant tangents, moving on



Been there done that, tons of characters in fiction use some kind of energy source to



Shhh, it's okay quanchi, if it makes you feel better you can write a fanfic where Khan and Voldemort can actually defeat Sith Lords, Maia, Kryptonians, etc and I can show you where you can put it



You say that as if anything could disarm Palpatine



If it could disarm Palpatine, the yes, it is



He deflect Grievous' sword swings and even dismembered him

Also shoot him with a saber, bro do you even Star Wars?



Khan's not in this thread, asspie



Senator Armstrong had his arm cut off too once, guess he's weak too rite?

"Human" is just an arbitary title in fiction, only feats matter

Order 66, oh you mean hundreds of billions of clones, vehicles, speeders, etc vs what... 9000 Jedi, yeah



AT-AT>>>>>>human

You're just stonewalling



Yeah and Dante's subsonic because we see the running down the tower thing taking several seconds even though he blatantly outran his sword which moved at Mach 7, DBZ characters are subsonic because they spend episodes charging up attacks, the bullet fired at Ultimecia in FF* was so slow because we can see it, etc according to you

Only relevant speed feats matter, everything else is just useless shite and if you actually wanted to quantify every teensy tiny "feat" everything would only be low end superhuman

And of course he didn't crush Yoda, because Yoda was way more powerful than him you god damn dipshit



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Aww look at that, too easy



Force Crushing an AT-AT. He force crushes Caine's boots and then his head #can'tbedenied

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Blah blah downplaying, blah blah dishonest bullshit

Come back to me when you learn the difference between debating and spewing bullshit

Oh and it's Disney Canon so, it's all good



Been there done that, blasters are far more concentrated form of damage, blaster bolts vaporise 0.5m sections of durasteel, etc

And yeah, alot of fiction characters use some kind of energy to augment their physical abilities so, useless red herring



So do force users you dumb shit

The whole "did x so it'd logically be within his ability to do x which is way below it" applies universally or it doesn't apply at all, you can;t have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along



So Jedi aren't superhuman. Fascinating



"It didn't kill person of x level so it can't kill some schmuck who's way below it"

You're not even trying



You say that as if non force users in Star Wars aren't powerful as well or Star Wars weapons must be weak because they're wielded by non force users



If Jango can stand against Obi-Wan, then Jango's above Caine

Right "skilled opponent", such an excellent quantifier /sarcasm



No he doesn't



Nothing of substance here, more useless red herrings and irrelevant tangents, moving on



Been there done that, tons of characters in fiction use some kind of energy source to



Shhh, it's okay quanchi, if it makes you feel better you can write a fanfic where Khan and Voldemort can actually defeat Sith Lords, Maia, Kryptonians, etc and I can show you where you can put it



You say that as if anything could disarm Palpatine



If it could disarm Palpatine, the yes, it is



He deflect Grievous' sword swings and even dismembered him

Also shoot him with a saber, bro do you even Star Wars?



Khan's not in this thread, asspie



Senator Armstrong had his arm cut off too once, guess he's weak too rite?

"Human" is just an arbitary title in fiction, only feats matter

Order 66, oh you mean hundreds of billions of clones, vehicles, speeders, etc vs what... 9000 Jedi, yeah



AT-AT>>>>>>human

You're just stonewalling



Yeah and Dante's subsonic because we see the running down the tower thing taking several seconds even though he blatantly outran his sword which moved at Mach 7, DBZ characters are subsonic because they spend episodes charging up attacks, the bullet fired at Ultimecia in FF* was so slow because we can see it, etc according to you

Only relevant speed feats matter, everything else is just useless shite and if you actually wanted to quantify every teensy tiny "feat" everything would only be low end superhuman

And of course he didn't crush Yoda, because Yoda was way more powerful than him you god damn dipshit



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Aww look at that, too easy



Force Crushing an AT-AT. He force crushes Caine's boots and then his head #can'tbedenied Whwther it's canon or not isn't the point it's agains ft be rules. Most people who come to argue here don't read Star Wars comics. I say it's canon so I'll allow it but it is against the rules.

The difference is I have given other examples such as Jango holding his own despite not having force powers and being fine. I also gave examples of force lightning and I hear the same response. Basically your logic boils down to fanboyism. Everything in Star Wars is badass, bro. It's hysterically stupid.

Not in the same manner. Superman wouldn't get into a back and forth fight with Jango. He's portrayed a certain way and so are the Jedi. Nothing against them but they aren't these unbeatable force power sporting badasses. It is absolutely portrayals and having the examples to bolster your case.


Force users don't blow up bodies. Superman's hv has blown through them.

Their bodies aren't. Without tapping into the force they can't jump superhuman distances. It isn't autocmatic so they have to tap into them to do so otherwise yoda has to use his cane. Boom.

It hasn't killed anyone so you can't assume it kills someone obviously superior to most sci if characters in Caine. You need evidence to suggest so and you don't have one example. It hasn't killed anyone.

No, their weapons are clearly powerful enough to kill them p. I am saying despite their lack of force powers they got the drop on them and eradicated their order for the most part in a very short timeframe.

Why ? What makes you say Caine can't hang with Obi ? You admitted you haven't even seen the film so you're just saying ignorant things.

He uses them to try to get his saber back. That's using force powers against Jango. Same thing he did against grievous but it was effective.

Concession accepted.

But minus the connection their bodies remain just like older or younger bodies. The force can't make them any younger.

What you said is bs. I debate based off evidence, timed attacks, the behavior of characters, debating consistently, and knowing both sides unlike yourself.


He was disarmed before. What attacks has he withstood that impressed you ? You just say hey it's palpatine and minus proof it's impressive. You're a rabid fanboy.

So ? Yoda can block much bigger opponents. It has to do with the skill of the saber used not strength. He shot him with his laser gun. That's how he won. If he could have just used the force to crush his heart then why not ?

Khan wins too. Just another example, sport.

At no point were billions of clones lined up against Jedi. Quit exaggerating.m the scenes we see it's pathetic. There aren't any feats to suggest uber durability you just make shit up. Watch Obi hit grievous. Watch how he cries in pain. Hahhaah.

Those are the rules.

I'm glad you posted the scan. I'm going to thrash this over exaggerated feat.

Force crush feats and the timing it used to pull it off matters. Apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Yoda's body isn't more durable. He only needs to catch him off guard. Yoda despite all his power just force pushed palpatine.

They exchanged over 25 words in the time it took to attack the At At.

The two humans in the At At were fine. Another attack that takes a decent amount of time in which the two humans were a-ok at the end if the feat.

Hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaah.


I think I counted 31 words. Insta crushed my ass.