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When ever he is off telepromter he can't even put sentences together. I mean this is downright horrible. I never seen him speak off telepromter much, but when I looked at some youtube videos. Its beyond bad. He litearly can't talk.

Anyone know he has a really bad stutter? Last time I check'd he didn't have an injuries or medical issues.

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Also, how come he can't put sentences together that make any sense?

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Well, he is a dumbocrat, afterall.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
When ever he is off telepromter he can't even put sentences together. I mean this is downright horrible. I never seen him speak off telepromter much, but when I looked at some youtube videos. Its beyond bad. He litearly can't talk.

Anyone know he has a really bad stutter? Last time I check'd he didn't have an injuries or medical issues.

Also, how come he can't put sentences together that make any sense?



Haven't watched, but less than 10mins of goofs in going on 8 years of speeches isn't a terribly bad record.

He's also an accomplished lawyer, so I suspect he's capable of properly speaking without a teleprompter.

Originally posted by Star428
Well, he is a dumbocrat, afterall.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Haven't watched, but less than 10mins of goofs in going on 8 years of speeches isn't a terribly bad record.

He's also an accomplished lawyer, so I suspect he's capable of properly speaking without a teleprompter.

He has no trial wins to speak of.

From the videos we see he can't put simple words or sentences together without the prompter..

Originally posted by Tzeentch
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Obama ran on a campaign of change, showing bushes blunders in comparision to Obama's isn't change, its the same thing. There was no change.

This is a LoB level thread, come on.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He has no trial wins to speak of.

From the videos we see he can't put simple words or sentences together without the prompter..

Are you sure? A 1min Google search netted me this:



That is just not true, there's interviews where he's speaking directly with someone and he's speaking without faults.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you sure? A 2min Google search netted me this:



This is just not true, there's interviews where he's speaking directly with someone has he's speaking without faults.

I already read that a while ago, I don't really call this a national importance level case.

"In another case, Obama appeared on behalf of a nonprofit corporation that provided healthcare for poor people. A woman who claimed income of less than $8,000 a year had sued Obama's client to obtain a $336 payment for baby-sitting services; Obama's client paid up, and the case was settled."

LoL, come on. You claimed Obama didn't win a single trial and now you're moving the goalpost to a trial of "national importance".

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, come on. You claimed Obama didn't win a single trial and now you're moving the goalpost to a trial of "national importance".

Sorry his babysitting case didn't raise my attention more. He won big time!

Can Obama even speak English?

I'm not too sure they teach it in Kenya.

Originally posted by Robtard
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Highlighting Bush's dumb ass doesn't do much though, just makes Obama look the same, without much change.

Originally posted by Mindset
Can Obama even speak English?

I'm not too sure they teach it in Kenya.

I highly doubt he can speak English. He's a Muslim so he probably only speaks Islam.

I thought Muslims only spoke hate and oppreshun?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I highly doubt he can speak English. He's a Muslim so he probably only speaks Islam.

He did admit he was muslim.

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Sooo.... you wouldn't happen to remember a president named 'George W. Bush,' would you? Famous for tons of verbal slips and stumbles.

Most people, unsurprisingly, talk better when they worked out exactly what they're going to say.

However, that said, most presidents, Obama and W. Bush included, are quite good conversationalists. But if you make a ton of public appearances, you're gonna get flubs.


Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He did admit he was muslim.



Hah.

You're really gullible, you know that?


He's admitted to being a Christian a couple thousand times. Also, his father was from Kenya, a Christian country. And he was raised in Hawai'i, a Christian state.


What is it with buying into anything negative said about Obama, no matter how minor, and blowing up everything he does out of proportion?

The Birther thing pretty much is just like wearing a sign saying "I'm really gullible and buy into racist xenophobia easily if talking about someone I don't like."

Has nothing to do with race. He flat out said he was muslim on that interview. Last time I checked, Islam was not a race, it is a religion.

Good try though.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Has nothing to do with race. He flat out said he was muslim on that interview. Last time I checked, Islam was not a race, it is a religion.

Good try though.


Nah, the racism's more on the grounds that people'll buy *anything* villainizing him, that and it's based on his *dad* being from Africa even though he was raised in the US. You think this 'Muslim' thing would stick on a white president? People are sticking with it because it's a way of saying he's an 'other,' that he's 'not a real American,' by slapping other types of 'other' (to them) on him, regardless of what the real evidence says.


I don't know if that was a slip of the tongue or a video edit (suspect the latter), but the man goes to Church and talks about Christianity all the time.

If you think that reflects his core beliefs, you're really gullible.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He did admit he was muslim.

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That's called a slip of the tongue. It's hardly any different than saying "Wings take dream".

Who gives a **** even if he were a Muslim?

he's not

I'm going to suggest again that TI create an "I hate Obama" thread to consolidate all this.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Who gives a **** even if he were a Muslim?

he's not

I'm going to suggest again that TI create an "I hate Obama" thread to consolidate all this.

Wow so lying is ok to you. Why are you so mad?

Originally posted by Q99
Nah, the racism's more on the grounds that people'll buy *anything* villainizing him, that and it's based on his *dad* being from Africa even though he was raised in the US. You think this 'Muslim' thing would stick on a white president? People are sticking with it because it's a way of saying he's an 'other,' that he's 'not a real American,' by slapping other types of 'other' (to them) on him, regardless of what the real evidence says.


I don't know if that was a slip of the tongue or a video edit (suspect the latter), but the man goes to Church and talks about Christianity all the time.

If you think that reflects his core beliefs, you're really gullible.

I don't care what skin color he is, just transparancy of a persons belief and if they say something they stick too it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wow so lying is ok to you. Why are you so mad?
i think the question this thread poses is why is TI so mad?

And honestly, if Obama were a secret Muslim (he's not), I would understand why he's kept it hidden. Him being an open Muslim would have made being elected much more difficult because a sad proportion of this country, while professing to be open minded and accepting, can't stomach the idea of a non-Christian in the Oval Office. I'm sure there are plenty of secret atheists/agnostics in congress who pretend to be Christians because they know that they'd be SOL if they made their (non)beliefs public. You're just fishing for reasons to call him a scumbag at this point, because now we're talking about how hypothetically bad it would be if he hypothetically lied about his hypothetical Islamic beliefs.

Makes me think of that old joke about the gaybasher.

Gaybasher: If them gays is normal people, whycome they gotta hide theyselves?

Guy: Because if they came out, guys like you would drag them behind your trucks?

Gaybasher: Oh yeah.

I think the problem would be less about Obama lying about his religion, and more about our country being a place where a politician would need to lie about his religion to not be ostracized.

Islam is the worlds biggest Religion. If he was open about it, I doubt it would make any difference.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Islam is the worlds biggest Religion. If he was open about it, I doubt it would make any difference.

I thought Christianity was the biggest. It's certainly the biggest right here in the good ole US of A. I thought it was biggest worldwide too though.

Originally posted by Star428
I thought Christianity was the biggest. It's certainly the biggest right here in the good ole US of A. I thought it was biggest worldwide too though.

Your right. Although Obama said the Islam call to prayer was the most beautiful sounds he has ever heard.

I don't doubt it. There's also that link you posted a while back that had a picture of him wearing a ring that supposedly said something about Allah... And LOL@ OV not caring if he was, in fact, a muslim. I guess that really shouldn't surprise me though.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Islam is the worlds biggest Religion. If he was open about it, I doubt it would make any difference.
Are you naive or just being disingenuous?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Your right. Although Obama said the Islam call to prayer was the most beautiful sounds he has ever heard.
Proves absolutely nothing. Suggests very little more than nothing.

A little ignorant don't you think. Also, quit being a douche, Omega. Its not impressive. Literally you have zero clue about much of anything and could not see truth if it slapped you in the face.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't care what skin color he is, just transparancy of a persons belief and if they say something they stick too it.

It's deluded to assume politics is about honesty. People have a hard time saying the truth in their personal life with no stake at all.

Originally posted by Star428
I thought Christianity was the biggest. It's certainly the biggest right here in the good ole US of A. I thought it was biggest worldwide too though.

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Please travel the world

Originally posted by Omega Vision

And honestly, if Obama were a secret Muslim (he's not), I would understand why he's kept it hidden. Him being an open Muslim would have made being elected much more difficult

Would have made it basically impossible. Same if he ran and declared himself Atheist.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Highlighting Bush's dumb ass doesn't do much though, just makes Obama look the same, without much change.

Calm down. That was in response to the "dumbocrat" comment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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Please travel the world Christianity is the world's biggest religion, though.

Originally posted by Star428
I don't doubt it. There's also that link you posted a while back that had a picture of him wearing a ring that supposedly said something about Allah... And LOL@ OV not caring if he was, in fact, a muslim. I guess that really shouldn't surprise me though. Why would you care?

Originally posted by Star428
And LOL@ OV not caring if he was, in fact, a muslim. I guess that really shouldn't surprise me though.

Yeah. OV isn't an intolerant piece of shit.

Each thread in this forum makes me lose faith in humanity more and more.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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Please travel the world



Pretty sure Christianity is the biggest religion in the world though....

LOL. Oh, Kris Blaze is a phucking idiot. I don't bother to read his trolling posts anymore but unfortunately when someone else quotes him I sometimes forget to skip over it. Idiot doesn't know anything about me because if he did he'd know that I've travelled to many places throughout the world while I was in the Navy. If he thinks it's not the biggest religion in the world then perhaps he's the one that needs to get off his sorry Norwegian ass and travel.

I remember the time he told us we were a democracy..kid living in Norway thinks he knows anything about America: priceless.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I remember the time he told us we were a democracy..kid living in Norway thinks he knows anything about America: priceless.


Well, unfortunately, even many Americans think we are. Hell, when I was a kid that's what I thought too. Then I educated myself on the subject. Anyone who knows the pledge of allegiance should realize we are a republic instead.

Originally posted by Star428
I thought Christianity was the biggest. It's certainly the biggest right here in the good ole US of A. I thought it was biggest worldwide too though.


Yes, by a sizable margin of about 600 million over Islam (2.2 bil and 1.6 bil).


And of course, Islam is noticeably not-very-popular in the US, downright tiny in fact. America is 73% Christian (and Christians, I will note, are tremendously over represented in Government even so. You occasionally see people say that the government is anti-Christian, but it's basically presenting a fantasy narrative so they can feel persecuted. It's hard to get elected even if one is openly agnostic, let alone having a non-Christian/Jewish religion), 0.8% Muslim.


The whole 'secret muslim' thing is a joke, you can pretty much tell who doesn't care about little things like 'facts' by who preaches it and accepts it as real.

What does obi-wan have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, by a sizable margin of about 600 million over Islam (2.2 bil and 1.6 bil).


And of course, Islam is noticeably not-very-popular in the US, downright tiny in fact. America is 73% Christian (and Christians, I will note, are tremendously over represented in Government even so. You occasionally see people say that the government is anti-Christian, but it's basically presenting a fantasy narrative so they can feel persecuted. It's hard to get elected even if one is openly agnostic, let alone having a non-Christian/Jewish religion), 0.8% Muslim.


The whole 'secret muslim' thing is a joke, you can pretty much tell who doesn't care about little things like 'facts' by who preaches it and accepts it as real.

Funny all the atheists love Obama, funny, I wonder why.

This thread is so dumb I didn't need to read it.

R: Obama is a dumb ass

D: Nu-uh Bush was

Both are not great speakers, but are highly intelligent.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Funny all the atheists love Obama, funny, I wonder why.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Funny all the atheists love Obama, funny, I wonder why. Because he's a Muslim.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because he's a Muslim.

Agreed, most atheists are smart enough to know Allah does not exist.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
A little ignorant don't you think.
How so?

How am I being a douche? By disagreeing with you?


I could say the same about you, and the amount of times I've proven you wrong or demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about would make my claim stronger.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How so?

How am I being a douche? By disagreeing with you?


I could say the same about you, and the amount of times I've proven you wrong or demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about would make my claim stronger.

You know how you being a douche, doesn't need to be explained. The simple fact that you have to come defend Obama is kinda weird. What did you prove me wrong on?

Originally posted by ares834


Pretty sure Christianity is the biggest religion in the world though....

Only because of Catholicism which is shut down by several american christians as "non-christian". I guess those people would embrace the idea of Islam being the biggest religion in the world.

Catholicism is the worst.

Originally posted by Bentley
Only because of Catholicism which is shut down by several american christians as "non-christian". I guess those people would embrace the idea of Islam being the biggest religion in the world. Most Christians in the US are Catholic.

Several American Christians don't consider each other Christian either, it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Mindset
Most Christians in the US are Catholic.

Several American Christians don't consider each other Christian either, it doesn't matter.

I agree americans don't matter


Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Catholicism is the worst.

You are with those who want to live in an islamic world 131

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree americans don't matter
The Catholic ones, at least.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Funny all the atheists love Obama, funny, I wonder why.
It's because Obama and the atheists both consider themselves progressives.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Catholicism is the worst.
Islam is worse.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Christianity is the world's biggest religion, though.
No doubt, but he'd be very surprised in how many christians there really are in Europe.

Most places you'll have people who have been shuffled into the church registry at birth, but who do not believe in god or practice any kind of christian belief.

That's why Christianity still has over 2 bill members, but can probably only sport a couple of hunderd mill who actually go to church.

Originally posted by krisblaze
No doubt, but he'd be very surprised in how many christians there really are in Europe.

Most places you'll have people who have been shuffled into the church registry at birth, but who do not believe in god or practice any kind of christian belief.

Most places? You probably mean those with high living standards which is far from a given in Europe.

Since I'm from France I totally get what you mean though.

Originally posted by krisblaze
That's why Christianity still has over 2 bill members, but can probably only sport a couple of hunderd mill who actually go to church.

Arguably the biggest numbers for Christianity are in African/Asian/Latin American countries which are more populated and I'd argue, are more devout in general.

If you ignore half-assed believers Islam also takes a huge hit.

Originally posted by Bentley
Most places? You probably mean those with high living standards which is far from a given in Europe.
Granted, but shit-europe is pretty small population-wise.

Originally posted by Bentley
Arguably the biggest numbers for Christianity are in African/Asian/Latin American countries which are more populated and I'd argue, are more devout in general.
Africa is the place where Christianity's on it's way up, which is what makes up for the sharp decline in Europe.

Originally posted by Bentley
If you ignore half-assed believers Islam also takes a huge hit.
Possibly, but culturally Islam is on its way up,

In Britain for example you've got 3-4 as many muslims going to the mosque as you've got christians going to church.

The thing is that people don't go out of their way to sign out of church registry, even if they don't believe in god, don't go to church, etc.

This is why you'll see inflated membership numbers contrasted with actual practice.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Granted, but shit-europe is pretty small population-wise.

True. Poland is populated for European standards and its more religiously active than say, England.


Originally posted by krisblaze
Possibly, but culturally Islam is on its way up,

In Britain for example you've got 3-4 as many muslims going to the mosque as you've got christians going to church.

The thing is that people don't go out of their way to sign out of church registry, even if they don't believe in god, don't go to church, etc.

This is why you'll see inflated membership numbers contrasted with actual practice.

Yes there is that. Islam is probably less practiced in places where it has been historically based in the past, just like christianity (in very broad terms).

Yup, which is why I find it strange when people in the west take pride in the numbers.

Between the cultural death of, and relocalization of Christianity, there surely cant be much to boast about.

Hence why I invited Star to go and see the world. Surely a racist such as he must be shocked to see that the future of christianity lies in our coloured brethren (e)

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree americans don't matter 131



....and yet you foreigners keep coming into threads that are obviously on American subjects and continue to show your ignorance of anything American as if any of your two-cent opinion's matter one bit to us. If "Americans don't matter"then quit showing your stupidity and posting in threads pertaining to Americans. Seriously, do you think Americans give a shit about you Europeans? Are you all so goddamn ignorant to think that any of you "matter" to us or anybody else in the entire world? Get the phuck over yourselves. You're not all that. If it wasn't for the internet or world news channels we would go on with our daily lives as if you didn't even exist. We don't matter to you now. But when you need our help and come crying to us as usual we sure do don't we, hypocrite?

Other than not over-reacting to a clearly jokey comment, could you also please cut out the swearing, Star428? The censor is there for a reason and trying to swear in spite of it is actually a bannable offence.

I think we got off track of the topic.

To directly comment on it, I find Obama's speech patterns to be irritating. He stumbles and fumbles through what he's trying to say. And he speaks far to slowly at times while he's trying to form his thoughts. He spends too much time trying to lawyer his words that he ends up just coming off as forked-tongued lawyer who can't speak very well.

And I see no need to bring up Bush. That's just partisan shit slinging because people who like Obama (or at democrats) want to detract from the thread topic. Who cares? Pretty much no one liked Bush on this site except for the obvious ones whose opinions most of us don't really care about, anyway.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, by a sizable margin of about 600 million over Islam (2.2 bil and 1.6 bil).


And of course, Islam is noticeably not-very-popular in the US, downright tiny in fact. America is 73% Christian (and Christians, I will note, are tremendously over represented in Government even so. You occasionally see people say that the government is anti-Christian, but it's basically presenting a fantasy narrative so they can feel persecuted. It's hard to get elected even if one is openly agnostic, let alone having a non-Christian/Jewish religion), 0.8% Muslim.


The whole 'secret muslim' thing is a joke, you can pretty much tell who doesn't care about little things like 'facts' by who preaches it and accepts it as real.

You're wasting your time with him. He's not the type that will care about a well-thought-out, fact based reply to an incorrectly held idea or belief.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You're wasting your time with him. He's not the type that will care about a well-thought-out, fact based reply to an incorrectly held idea or belief.

The comment about Islam being the worlds biggest religion was a joke. It's widely believed by most, even some Christians that Islam is the worlds biggest religion. I don't know why though.

Probably because Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion and is said to grow by over a billion in the next 30ish years.

I love your new sig, TI.

Originally posted by Star428
I love your new sig, TI.

Obama can do anything a spider can.

He's Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Oh, Kris Blaze is a phucking idiot. I don't bother to read his trolling posts anymore but unfortunately when someone else quotes him I sometimes forget to skip over it. Idiot doesn't know anything about me because if he did he'd know that I've travelled to many places throughout the world while I was in the Navy. If he thinks it's not the biggest religion in the world then perhaps he's the one that needs to get off his sorry Norwegian ass and travel. Star, if you have him on ignore then there's no reason to go off with a bash-filled rant. Please don't do it again.

Originally posted by Badabing
Star, if you have him on ignore then there's no reason to go off with a bash-filled rant. Please don't do it again.


Ok, Bada. But, as I said, someone else quoted him. That's only reason I saw it. Usuallly, I remember to just skip over it when I see that someone else has quoted him but I had just woke up when I saw it and forgot.