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Every era has it's own master duelists and greatest fighters, but which ones in the SW myths stand out as the best instructors? Who has produced the best students as duelists, and what makes their teaching style so effective? Who were the greatest teachers of their eras/all time?

Not Jun Seros.

I hear Soara Antana is good. I don't know where she stands in the grand scheme of things, though.

Probably Sidious.

Cin Drallig turned out promising students such as Obi-Wan and Anakin and he himself was trained by Yoda in saber combat. I'd say he's pretty good on the list for Greatest Instructors.

Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.

Luke has trained a lot of skilled jedi.

Dark Lady's a pretty good one, all her students turned out badass, and without having to spend a decade+ on each. Ki-Adi-Mundi, A'Sharad Hett, Jon Antilles, and Aurra Sing. I think it says something that the *weakest* of those in a duel is probably Aurra Sing.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.


That's something of a mixed result in my book. Sure, he's trained some very good students, but plenty of weaker ones too, it's not consistent results, it's doing quantity which catches a wide range.

And some of those almost certainly learned most of their saber skills from elsewhere. Youngling training may be the basics, but personal masters probably get more credit in sabers. Heck, Yoda didn't appear to teach Luke much in sabers at all, just the force in general.

Gnot-Dural is pretty notable

Sidious is probably the best instructor, or at least a contender for the no.1 spot, as far as the quality of personal training and development is concerned. His methods are exceedingly brutal, his level of martial knowledge and proficiency is almost without equal, and he adapts his training specifically to the student in order to yield the best results possible. As a result? Maul becomes one of the best duelists in the mythos at the age of 22, along with being in almost perfect physical shape, as well as a master of two of the hardest lightsaber disciplines and unarmed combat on top of that. And that was because of everything Sidious taught Maul, the challenges he set out for him, or training he specifically chose for Maul to undertake. Haven't seen anyone else do it better.

No love for Kas'im?

Unless Yoda improved as a Lightsaber instructor in the last few years of the Republic, Soara>Yoda as a lightsaber instructor tbh.

DOE Bane was a mediocre duelist at best, and given how shit the brotherhoods Swordsmen were and how desperate they became towards the end of the war- it's obvious Kas'im was a horrible teacher.

Soara, Yoda, Dooku, Bulq, Vodo, Kas'im, Cin, Anoon and possibly Kreia are some.of my personal favorites.

Originally posted by ILS
Sidious is probably the best instructor, or at least a contender for the no.1 spot, as far as the quality of personal training and development is concerned. His methods are exceedingly brutal, his level of martial knowledge and proficiency is almost without equal, and he adapts his training specifically to the student in order to yield the best results possible. As a result? Maul becomes one of the best duelists in the mythos at the age of 22, along with being in almost perfect physical shape, as well as a master of two of the hardest lightsaber disciplines and unarmed combat on top of that. And that was because of everything Sidious taught Maul, the challenges he set out for him, or training he specifically chose for Maul to undertake. Haven't seen anyone else do it better.

I will mention that one thing that helps those results is Sidious spent all his effort on training one person for over a decade and a half.

High level Jedi never spend that much focus on one person.

That said, "Spends a lot of time on each student" is certainly no minus!

Originally posted by Q99
Dark Lady's a pretty good one, all her students turned out badass, and without having to spend a decade+ on each. Ki-Adi-Mundi, A'Sharad Hett, Jon Antilles, and Aurra Sing. I think it says something that the *weakest* of those in a duel is probably Aurra Sing.




That's something of a mixed result in my book. Sure, he's trained some very good students, but plenty of weaker ones too, it's not consistent results, it's doing quantity which catches a wide range.

And some of those almost certainly learned most of their saber skills from elsewhere. Youngling training may be the basics, but personal masters probably get more credit in sabers. Heck, Yoda didn't appear to teach Luke much in sabers at all, just the force in general.

He also trained Mace Windu. Which means all of the foremost masters of the VII forms sans form VI are in Yoda's lineage.
I- Kit Fisto
II Dooku
III Kenobi
IV Yoda himself
V Anakin
VII Mace

What other instructor in history can say that?

Originally posted by Q99
I will mention that one thing that helps those results is Sidious spent all his effort on training one person for over a decade and a half.

High level Jedi never spend that much focus on one person.

That said, "Spends a lot of time on each student" is certainly no minus! Well, someone who spreads themselves too thin couldn't be considered the "greatest" instructor, IMO. I just think with Sidious it's pretty clear cut; he took an infant and turned him into one of the best within 16ish years of training. All of the credit goes to Sidious, which is important.

And when you think about it, if Sidious took on another student after Maul was finished, it'd just be another 15ish years before we have another nigh-immaculate fighter. It's just that he only needed one.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
He also trained Mace Windu. Which means all of the foremost masters of the VII forms sans form VI are in Yoda's lineage.

What other instructor in history can say that?


But... that's simply because he trained *everyone*. He wasn't the primary instructor of most of those.


Anakin learned from Kenobi from the start of his training. Kenobi learned from Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon learned from Dooku. Dooku's master was Thame Cerulian (though apparently not near as good a duelist, so we don't know his influences all that well). Windu, I don't know if we know who his primary trainer was, though T'ra Saa did handle some of it, but he developed his form with help of Sora Bulq.


There's a difference between did-part-of-someone's-instruction and being their lightsaber instructor.




Yep, exactly.

He was really lucky to find someone as skilled as Dooku after he lost Maul, because making one takes a lot of effort.

What about Master Zhar?

Some time between TPM and AOTC, Soara Antana gets the accolade of being the best lightsaber instructor among the Jedi.

of all the characters that i know id say luke, kyle katarn, yoda, dooku, and kenobi

*not in order

Originally posted by Q99
But... that's simply because he trained *everyone*. He wasn't the primary instructor of most of those.


Anakin learned from Kenobi from the start of his training. Kenobi learned from Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon learned from Dooku. Dooku's master was Thame Cerulian (though apparently not near as good a duelist, so we don't know his influences all that well). Windu, I don't know if we know who his primary trainer was, though T'ra Saa did handle some of it, but he developed his form with help of Sora Bulq.


There's a difference between did-part-of-someone's-instruction and being their lightsaber instructor.


http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080530043356/starwars/images/thumb/3/32/Dooku-Yoda_Early_Life.JPG/250px-Dooku-Yoda_Early_Life.JPG

Nah he directly taught Dooku. As well as Kenobi.

"Fought well you have, my old Padawan."

"The Jedi Master who instructed me" -Kenobi

Its not a coincidence that the 'Golden age of the Jedi's' grandmaster is also arguably the most skilled swordsman in the Old Republic's 20,000 year history.



Nah he wasn't lucky. Plagueis flagged Dooku as Palpatine's replacement in case he made a dumb reckless move.

Originally posted by carthage
Every era has it's own master duelists and greatest fighters, but which ones in the SW myths stand out as the best instructors? Who has produced the best students as duelists, and what makes their teaching style so effective? Who were the greatest teachers of their eras/all time?

Revan since he train a shit of sith assassin all by himself.

He put the guy in charge of the inquisitor training into shame. Even at mental warefare he created an army of deadly Jedi killer...

He do more than just teaching form I to yoaung padawan he begin with adults, may Exar Kun own apprentice hekp him in the task (Yhea when you have an empire to rule, a war to lead, reasearch in the force to make, an apprentice ready to kill you at any time, I think that this kind of help can only be accepted.)
Revan is the only one that teach you how to grow rather than just training you at full time.... He lead you in a way of indepandance freedom, how to become your own master controlling yourself, to be able to devlop yourself without relying on the others... Including him.
And he does that with very little time, with hundred of studdents !!!!!

I mean 5H with Revan = 5 Years of trainings !!! It is a cheap and fast option tio become a abd ass !!!!!
He wasn't training Malak That much he was just checking his abiities, in case where Malak could defeat him in a single combat...
It a part of Revan philosophy to do not help the other... SO why he could help a guy trying to kill him anyway????

Or Katarn, but Katarn is more a force teacher...

There is also plagueis. Look at palpatine !!!!

Why am I not surprised that revanchiste said Revan

The same reason I'm not surprised he thinks Revan personally trained every single Sith assassin.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The same reason I'm not surprised he thinks Revan personally trained every single Sith assassin.

Not Every single on of those......
But he experiance some traininsg methods....

He was also in charge of Korriban academmy... It seem weird to me that sith prefer Malak instead of Revan who was depicted as charismatic but too kind to be recon as sith...

I don't know why in KotOR the studdents of the sith academmy think that Darth Revan was a pussy compare to Malak... They kinda like Malak brutality and Ruthlessness...

And Jorak Uln get quicly hated.... Because under Malak reign if you don't have tortured and killed 14 mans includings woman and children, and even baby, and even cuty cat !!!
You are just a pussy !

He train them on malachor V when he return to Malachor V after finding the star forge, (after that Traya get ass kicked by Nihilus and sion...)
Most of revan work was confrontate the future assassin with themself. What Revan learn them is the ability to progress alone...
Pretty damn handfull when you have an empire to rule.
Most of sith assassin are trained by themself.

Best instructor ever for bringing up a devloped training metho that can be use on mass scale. He may not have to put some amazing effort like Yoda or plagueis... But he certainly knew how to make a good training complex and devlopped by just following simple instructions...

Wait I notice soemkind of chronoligical mistake... It is said that Revan come back to find Darth Traya but she already get betrayaled....

How could it be possible if she get betrayed after KotOR events? Wait KotOR 1 Dark side ending !!!

Section IV etc....

Humhum Thinking.. We don't know if Revan modified the academmy or use it as it was...
But Revan get all his knowledge from sith Holocron.. He may be following some instructions of some sith Holocrons..
And Vitiate gave some free sith assassin for revan quest....

May revan teaching being... Ancient sith teaching Yhea !!! Ancient sith the best !!!
But they are multiple people does this compt? Alright, Revan Then...

Definitely not Revan.

Peharps that Revan did not train high tier character but his teaching contain one thing that the other don't.... And it is somethings really amazing.

Yoda.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Wait I notice soemkind of chronoligical mistake... It is said that Revan come back to find Darth Traya but she already get betrayaled....

How could it be possible if she get betrayed after KotOR events? Wait KotOR 1 Dark side ending !!!

To answer this idiotic question, Revan came back to Traya before the Jedi Civil War, not after. And the Dark Side ending is N-Canon.

Sora Bulq was considered one of the greats but do we actually know anyone he trained during his time as a jedi?

As far as one on one instruction goes the best would be Yoda, Dooku, and Luke.

I guess Soara Antana would be up there but just like Sora Bulq we dont really know much about her lightsaber apprentices aside from Darra and Anakin.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
To answer this idiotic question, Revan came back to Traya before the Jedi Civil War, not after. And the Dark Side ending is N-Canon.

He came back before the Jedi civil war and she was here and he receive her teaching before leaving her alone a second time Traya try to resist but she get ragdoll......


Darth Revan return a 3rd time on Malachor to propose her to Join his empire but she already get betrayed....

In anyway.... In you explanation Revan go back to malachor when Kreia still here... So you don't see the problem here....

Revan came back a thrid time. And Kreia get betrayed after the second Jedi civil war. So how could the 3rd "encounter" happen?????

Anwser it could be a miss inetrpretaton from me i get souced in the Dark side version of KotOR II.... May be...


"Yoda, Dooku, and Luke."

And plagueis?

No, I don't see the problem, because it doesn't exist. Revan didn't go back to Malachor after destroying the Star Forge, and the Dark Side ending definitely isn't canon. I also don't see what this has to do with anything, however, because Revan is a shit instructor in just about every way.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
He came back before the Jedi civil war and she was here and he receive her teaching before leaving her alone a second time Traya try to resist but she get ragdoll......


Darth Revan return a 3rd time on Malachor to propose her to Join his empire but she already get betrayed....

In anyway.... In you explanation Revan go back to malachor when Kreia still here... So you don't see the problem here....

Revan came back a thrid time. And Kreia get betrayed after the second Jedi civil war. So how could the 3rd "encounter" happen?????

Anwser it could be a miss inetrpretaton from me i get souced in the Dark side version of KotOR II.... May be...


"Yoda, Dooku, and Luke."

And plagueis?


Those were just the first ones to come to mind.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, I don't see the problem, because it doesn't exist. Revan didn't go back to Malachor after destroying the Star Forge, and the Dark Side ending definitely isn't canon. I also don't see what this has to do with anything, however, because Revan is a shit instructor in just about every way.

I try to figure it out....

Did Traya get betrayaled before of after KotOR 1?

After. The Triumvirate didn't exist until after the Jedi Civil War. Traya was severed from the Force relatively recently to KotOR II's beginning.

Nah, Revan trained a shit ton of the Sith Assassins, and some of the Dark Jedi at the Sith Academy of Korrbain. He is far from the best instructor though.

Originally posted by TerasKasi1023
Sora Bulq was considered one of the greats but do we actually know anyone he trained during his time as a jedi?

Yes, Mira.

She was killed quite easily by Asajj but to be fair that's really no disgrace, especially as she was not a combat specialist.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nah, Revan trained a shit ton of the Sith Assassins, and some of the Dark Jedi at the Sith Academy of Korrbain. He is far from the best instructor though.
You mean the ones the Exile is cutting through at her weakest? They're just mooks in comparison, tbh.

mmm Not sure what you mean by either of your two sentences.

He's saying that they're shit and so is Revan as a teacher.

The Sith Assassins were far from shit. Same goes for your average Dark Jedi.

They can probably take on Zannah lmfao.

Tbh now that I think on it, the Sith Assassins were't great. I mean they were essentially one trick guys, who only were able to get a leg up on Force Users because of how powerful they were.

But take that away? They didn't seem really impressive, they relied on their ability to become strong via Force Users too much, which to me that would delude their actual combat ability because while they would become strong to match their target, this would be the only reason they would have a chance at killing them.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh now that I think on it, the Sith Assassins were't great. I mean they were essentially one trick guys, who only were able to get a leg up on Force Users because of how powerful they were.

But take that away? They didn't seem really impressive, they relied on their ability to become strong via Force Users too much, which to me that would delude their actual combat ability because while they would become strong to match their target, this would be the only reason they would have a chance at killing them.



That is very, very wrong.

Originally posted by Selenial


That is very, very wrong.

Oh? How so? Explain, because that's what it seems to me. They hunted Force Users, they got stronger from Force Users, killed them.

No Force Users, they didn't seem all that great.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Oh? How so? Explain, because that's what it seems to me. They hunted Force Users, they got stronger from Force Users, killed them.

No Force Users, they didn't seem all that great.

Because they were all masterful fighters with a blade, not relying on their drain. But if you insist...

First, the fighters of the Era:
"The many wars of the era compel large numbers of Jedi to become experts in lightsaber and force related combat. Some become masters on the battlefield; others become highly skilled duelists capable of taking on Dark Jedi and Sith in single combat. "

So, no, not everyone from the era are mooks. And those Jedi became Sith:
"The Sith students of Darth Revan and Darth Malak are many of the same Jedi Crusaders that once fought for the republic. Already proficient in the Jedi arts, these marauders acquire new nefarious talents During the Dark Wars, Surviving Sith students submit to the triumvirate."

Now the best of those sith became Sith assassins.
"Only by fighting your way through the Sith's strongest guardians can you earn the right to confront your nemesis."

"These surreptitious butchers specialize in practical modes of Jedi execution. The most elite of these assassins are the Bladeborn - Sith blademasters"
"A Sith offshoot dedicated to sword mastery, this was given to masterblades for surviving no less than ten encounters with Lightsaber wielding opponents"

Ok so I apologize for having to spam quotes, but yeh, the idea that they're one trick ponies is just wrong. They dedicated themselves to mastering the Jedi fighting styles, and mastering their counters. They didn't just drain Jedi and hope to god that they made it out alive.

Sel I'm talking about the guys you see in the black outfits, not the most elite of assassins which is what those quotes seem to point to.

Also I never said they were mooks. Just that I think their actual combat ability wouldn't be all fantastic.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Sel I'm talking about the guys you see in the black outfits, not the most elite of assassins which is what those quotes seem to point to.

Yeh, those were them.

All those quotes are talking about the Assassins on Malachor.

They obviously suck pretty bad if tens if not hundreds couldn't beat a single Jedi in spite of a nexus amp.

They probably could beat Darth Zannah though

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, those were them.

All those quotes are talking about the Assassins on Malachor.

Except I'm not talking about those Assassins, because that quote is saying that they are the elite assassins. I'm talking about the Sith Assassins, that were seen everywhere.

The dudes you beat on Paragus.

Yoda or Luke. Yoda produced more but he didn't train each of them as apprentices. Luke I think did however. Didn't he train Kyle, caedus, Jaina, his other kids.

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Also wanna point this out.

"They've learned...they've come up through the same way. Taught by Qui-Gon, Tyranus, Yoda. Its the same line."

Seems like Obi-Wan and Anakin's skills according to Gillard are attributed to Yoda and his training techniques.

Yoda's obviously produced the most top-tier duelist as well, being old as hell, I guess.

Well Star, Cin also trained Obi-Wan and Anakin too. Who in turn was trained by Yoda as far as saber combat went so....yeah, by proxy, Yoda also did teach them too.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Nah he directly taught Dooku. As well as Kenobi.

"Fought well you have, my old Padawan."

"The Jedi Master who instructed me" -Kenobi

Its not a coincidence that the 'Golden age of the Jedi's' grandmaster is also arguably the most skilled swordsman in the Old Republic's 20,000 year history.

But he taught them as Younglings, not as Padawan.

His lightsaber skills did seep into the order to be sure, I'm just unsure of his hit-to-miss ratio, and how many actual apprenticings he did.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yoda's obviously produced the most top-tier duelist as well, being old as hell, I guess.

Sure, though I don't necessarily know if his odds with any one person is better than any other skilled teacher.

He's got quantity of students, of which some are good, but plenty are less so.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yoda or Luke. Yoda produced more but he didn't train each of them as apprentices. Luke I think did however. Didn't he train Kyle, caedus, Jaina, his other kids.

Jaina was taught by Mara and Kyp.

Luke taught Jacen, Anakin, and Ben. Also Corran, Kyp, Kam Solusar, Brakiss, Desann, and others. A bunch fell to the dark side, but skill wise that's quite a roster ^^

He helped some with Kyle, but Kyle, outside his initial training with the Jedi in DF2, did most of his training was Mara in a co-master setup (they were the two most-trained people outside of Luke, so rather than take up Luke's time from other students, they helped complete each other's training).

Ah, but this is about his ability as an instructor, not how his students turn out per se. The fact that when given the proper students, he can produce absolute masters, makes him one of, if not the, best lightsaber instructor.

Originally posted by Q99
But he taught them as Younglings, not as Padawan.

His lightsaber skills did seep into the order to be sure, I'm just unsure of his hit-to-miss ratio, and how many actual apprenticings he did.



Sure, though I don't necessarily know if his odds with any one person is better than any other skilled teacher.

He's got quantity of students, of which some are good, but plenty are less so.



Lol at the Yoda downplaying.
"They've learned...they've come up through the same way. Taught by Qui-Gon, Tyranus, Yoda. Its the same line."

Gillard is a higher authority than whatever story of Dooku's other master. Yoda's direct apprentice line is all master swordsmen. Pretty clear Gillard considers Yoda's training to be behind all of these.