Originally posted by Beniboybling
The point is Zannah isn't immune to being staggered and thrown off balance, and considering Savage's blows are stronger than Bane's, he will.
The point is that she's demonstrated that she can almost instantly recover from that so it's negligible. And it's doubly negligible because that was just her fighting normally, without her Soresu shield. With it, Savage won't do anything to her. Since she went from getting staggered from Bane's strikes to repelling them without issue.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't recall claiming as much. I recall saying that there is a high probability that Zannah will be staggered or floored during this confrontation. I'd also add that Adi, Kenobi and Ventress have all been overwhelmed by Savage's strength at some point, so there ability to deflect his attacks is a moot point.
You said any one of his attacks could floor her, suggesting that any strike would put her down. Which is blatantly false given his history. And sure maybe at one point she'll have some issue with his strength, but only if she tries fighting him blow for blow instead of just using her defensive wall.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Dooku never came across as foolish to me. Dooku has schooled Savage in the past by deflecting his attacks, and at that point had taught Savage everything he knew. For those reasons I see no reason why Dooku would not apply the same tactics here. No master of Makashi is going to attempt to block an attack from a strength-orientated duelist like Savage head on.
Dooku is notably arrogant and he likely underestimated Savage at this point. And you should try watching your own video. Compare that training session to the Savage fight. When he's deflecting Savage's attacks it's all smooth, vertical movements and spins. He's slapping his saber to one side. When he gets put down by Savage he's attempting a horizontal block. Also, like I said we see Savage getting deflected by Maul in their bout, so clearly he's not.... I don't even know what you're suggesting? That he's now too skilled to be deflected? That's ridiculous, you don't become immune to something like that. Bane was miles more skilled than Savage and Zannah's saber wall still redirected his attacks.
And er, Dooku attempted to block a strength orientated duelist like Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time in the movies.
Also what do you mean by Dooku apparently teaching Savage "everything he knew". It sounds like you're defeating your own point by suggesting that theres no difference between him in that training session and the fight.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But Plo Koon's failed attempts to penetrate his defense demonstrates his defense is more than adequate, that's the point.
Not really. Koon's Shien isn't suited to dueling a single duelist and is mainly used for blaster deflection and defense. Plus we barely saw the fight, how can you say that Savage was adequately defending himself without actually seeing that? What failed attempts are you talking about? You're completely fabricating them. Given Savage's aggressive style I'd bet on him being the one testing Koon's defense, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Gallia, Ventress and Kenobi all exploited gaps in Savage's defense using physical attacks, the kind of attack that can be executed quickly and so easily slip past a defense. Especially considering the opponents lightsaber can be simultaneously kept occupied with one's own.
On the other hand the saberstaff is noted to be unwieldy, and to require elaborate flourishes to execute simple moves, Zannah is not going to be able to exploit gaps in Savage's defense with any level of comparable speed.
This is of course assuming Savage gives her an opportunity to attack, the sheer ferocity and strength of Savage's style is designed to prevent that.
So Zannah can try that as well I guess. Though I maintain that theres a reason he was the one constantly getting pegged by those attacks and not them.
What are you talking about? If that's true then it applies to Savage as well. And Zannah is more graceful and quicker than Savage is, so she's better able to pull moves off quickly than him.
It really isn't, his attacks will be quite easy for her to turn aside. His blade being reflected to one side could present an opportunity to counter. Especially if he gets too aggressive and overexposes himself. And he'll probably get frustrated and over-expose himself very quickly. Since he's pretty stupid and doesn't control his emotions.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Anakin and Kenobi for example, two of the greatest Jedi knights in the Order, were put on the back for a full minute by his onslaught.
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Kenobi being a superior Soresu master to Zannah tbh, he'll have her backpedalling the entire time. And that's going to castrate her offense.
Pfft, that was during Savage's berserk rage, it's not indicative of his usual capabilities any more than his choking Dooku and Ventress. As in, absolutely not at all.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Surey sure.
Glad we could get passed that.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering that Savage is both a Nightbrother and a alchemically enhanced. I find that unlikely, if so then the Nightsisters did a poor job. But I won't press the point.
He needed that alchemical enhancement to make him as big as Sarro in the first place.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And yet Dooku says his style is "sloppy", that he has "no technique" and finally that "with the proper training you could become a powerful warrior."
Even for a strength orientated duelist accuracy, timing, and balance remain important. Savage lacked that. After being trained, Dooku attempts a visually identical tactic, and gets slapped down like a punk.
As I pointed out, it wasn't visually identical at all, you just need to pay more attention. You're making a pretty massive assumption here, that Dooku was solely referring to his ability to deflect his attacks. He was more likely referring to that whole thing of Savage tripping over his own feet and showing no technique at all. It's a huge leap to suggest that with technique he can't be deflected ever at all.
That's, frankly, stupid. Anyone can be deflected, people with miles more technique than Savage can. It would be absurd if Zannah's main technique could be overcome with "git gud".
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I said their strength is comparable, learn 2 read lol. And it is for the record, Savage has immensely impressive strength feats that outstrip Zannah and anyone else Savage had faced bar Sidious.
I thought you meant Savage and Zannah's strength was comparable, lol.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your confused, I meant Maul. Maul is Zannah's superior in every way, the point is therefore moot.
Maul isn't better than Zannah in any way, so no.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Bane is stated to weigh 120 kilograms as a soldier, 30 kilograms less than Savage. And Zannah notes he's weaker than Xaj:
"Zannah realised he was even taller and more heavily muscled than Bane."
Again, Savage's muscles and bone density were enhanced with Nightsister magic, and even prior to transformation he could smash rock with his bare firsts. Neither Xaj's nor Bane's unaugmented muscles compare.
Well I question the memories of a decades-ago squad mate, but ok so Savage is 25 kilograms heavier than Bane. That's probably the increased bone density you're talking about, bro. Not the muscles. Regardless, you do realise that physical size isn't as important as the power of the Force? I mean obviously since Zannah is tiny compared to Bane yet still able to almost take his two-handed power attacks and Sidious blocked Savage with one hand. Savage may be heavier than Bane, but Bane is much more masterful at using the Force to augment himself. I'd suggest that he could easily be as strong as Savage.
Luckily they have good old fashioned Force powers. I mean, it's not like Sidious is beefier than Savage and he still held him off with one hand.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm talking about the larger surface area that a saberstaff provides, it accommodates for his size.
You're the one who just said a saberstaff is unwieldy and hard to switch between offense and defense though.
