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Dr.Doom (Single) gets 10 Years prep and he goes to the Beyonders!

For this Dr.Doom (Copies) with 5 Years of prep they killed the Celestial Race of that reality......so.....

Round 1: 10 Years of prep time
Round 2: 15 years of prep time

Can dooms beat them??

Doom with all that power was slightly above Thor...so he might be able to do this.

Beyonders.

Above Thor? I mean just one killed a celestial a bunch killed a race lol.

And Ex Nihilo killed one, and hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor (who had one arm, and no Mjolnir).

Doom realises they cannot time travel/are susceptible to matter manip, and turns them into trees.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Ex Nihilo killed one, and hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor (who had one arm, and no Mjolnir).

Doom realises they cannot time travel/are susceptible to matter manip, and turns them into trees.

Oh come on three of them killed the living Tribunal,they are far above Thor! I think people like to exaggerate too much!

I Believe it would be a inconsistency for me to know that Thor and his friends are powerful then Beyonders who are powerful then LT.

But people would take it for real for a long time....:/

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
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Dr.Doom (Single) gets 10 Years prep and he goes to the Beyonders!

For this Dr.Doom (Copies) with 5 Years of prep they killed the Celestial Race of that reality......so.....

Round 1: 10 Years of prep time
Round 2: 15 years of prep time

Can dooms beat them??

Liking the artwork here.

I wish had better quality pictures.

Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
I Believe it would be a inconsistency for me to know that Thor and his friends are powerful then Beyonders who are powerful then LT.

But people would take it for real for a long time....:/

Well we go by averages here on the board.

The Beyonders had one amazing showing (killing LT, Celestials etc) and one amazingly low showing (Thor, ExNihilo).

Plus, Dooms later discovery that they cannot time travel etc.

Therefore, it is a mistake to cling to a single high showing that a few people here are doing, and ignoring their low showings. I'm trying to show that if you cling to the high, I can cling to the low. The average is somewhere in between.

This guy......they have different forms lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well we go by averages here on the board.

The Beyonders had one amazing showing (killing LT, Celestials etc) and one amazingly low showing (Thor, ExNihilo).

Plus, Dooms later discovery that they cannot time travel etc.

Therefore, it is a mistake to cling to a single high showing that a few people here are doing, and ignoring their low showings. I'm trying to show that if you cling to the high, I can cling to the low. The average is somewhere in between.

Jesus christ.

I used to complain set in stone hierarchies where A always beats B are boring, but this is ridiculous.

Different forms=Different abilities
Different beyonders=different beyonders

Just saying.....

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
This guy......they have different forms lol. Both of them were supposed to be two of the three that appeared though. They had the same forms under the same artist

Until Deodata took over and traced robot toys.

Doom is a chump no matter which version. Problem is; the beyonders are chumps too.

I can't decide who wins

>_>.....

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Different forms=Different abilities
Different beyonders=different beyonders

Just saying.....

Has it been confirmed then, that they were different Beyonders? And I don't mean that they looked different (after all, Galactus looks different to everyone) but that there are different Celestials with vastly different power levels? Writer confirmation/narration, if you have it.

Otherwise, as of this date, we don't have any proof that they were different - only speculation.

Doom wins handily.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Has it been confirmed then, that they were different Beyonders? And I don't mean that they looked different (after all, Galactus looks different to everyone) but that there are different Celestials with vastly different power levels? Writer confirmation/narration, if you have it.

Otherwise, as of this date, we don't have any proof that they were different - only speculation.

Doom wins handily.
Look through again and you would see they are different in appearance and it seems powers.

The Beyonders are probably tooling Doom to makw believe he is God.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
The Beyonders are probably tooling Doom to makw believe he is God.
i thought/knew this lol he is a experiment.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Look through again and you would see they are different in appearance and it seems powers.

So, it hasn't been confirmed then?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, it hasn't been confirmed then?
Ask Hickman himself.

So are there any Cosmic Beings in the Marvel U that aint Joke Level Jobbers?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
So are there any Cosmic Beings in the Marvel U that aint Joke Level Jobbers?
What? Joke level?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Ask Hickman himself.

Even better, we have Brevoort, who is Exec Editor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4475080-brevoortformspringhyperionandthorvsbeyonders.jpg
IOW, the Beyonders are all the same. There aren't different forms.

Doom stomps this.

I forgot how utterly retarded Brevoort's response was.

"They beat them because Kryptonite hurts Superman. Also teams beat other teams regardless of stats. I didn't explain in any way how this applies or possibly why, but enjoy my comics.

Phaggot."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even better, we have Brevoort, who is Exec Editor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4475080-brevoortformspringhyperionandthorvsbeyonders.jpg
IOW, the Beyonders are all the same. There aren't different forms.

Doom stomps this.
The Beyonders>>>>>>>Dr.Doom

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I forgot how utterly retarded Brevoort's response was.

"They beat them because Kryptonite hurts Superman. Also teams beat other teams regardless of stats. I didn't explain in any way how this applies or possibly why, but enjoy my comics.

Phaggot."

Two ways to look at it, I thought:

1. Thor/Hyperion et al exploited a weakness in the Beyonders, and beat them. This does not mean that Thor/Hyperion > Beyonders.

2. The Beyonders exploited a weakness in the abstracts/LT, and beat them. This does not mean that the Beyonders > the abstracts.

1 is rather bad, but 2 is a bit more palatable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Has it been confirmed then, that they were different Beyonders? And I don't mean that they looked different (after all, Galactus looks different to everyone) but that there are different Celestials with vastly different power levels? Writer confirmation/narration, if you have it. No, they are the SAME Beyonders.

The final page of New Avengers #31, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23311421_New_Avengers_2013-_031-023.jpg

Is a direct/immediate precursor to the events of New Avengers #32, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23311424_New_Avengers_2013-_032-009.jpg

Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders.

(Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even better, we have Brevoort, who is Exec Editor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4475080-brevoortformspringhyperionandthorvsbeyonders.jpg
IOW, the Beyonders are all the same. There aren't different forms.

Doom stomps this.

Epic trolling

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Two ways to look at it, I thought:

1. Thor/Hyperion et al exploited a weakness in the Beyonders, and beat them. This does not mean that Thor/Hyperion > Beyonders.

2. The Beyonders exploited a weakness in the abstracts/LT, and beat them. This does not mean that the Beyonders > the abstracts.

1 is rather bad, but 2 is a bit more palatable. Thor/Hype didn't do anything. And even if they did all they did was physical attacks. Starbrand kablooey'd one and the other became a tree. For some reason permanently.

The other is better. But then again the only on panel mention of any weakness was when it became a tree. Brevoort didn't try to explain any of it. He just threw out some nonsense in the hope someone would defend and explain his stance better.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, they are the SAME Beyonders.

The final page of New Avengers #31, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23311421_New_Avengers_2013-_031-023.jpg

Is a direct/immediate precursor to the events of New Avengers #32, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23311424_New_Avengers_2013-_032-009.jpg

Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders. It's because Deodata was tracing generic robot transformers at the time. His Beyonders had to be special snowflakes.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
The Beyonders>>>>>>>Dr.Doom

Lol. At least Doom can time travel -without even needing any extra power ups. The Beyonders, cannot.

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Originally posted by Galan007
No, they are the SAME Beyonders.


Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders.

. Also, there is this from Owen:

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. At least Doom can time travel -without even needing any extra power ups. The Beyonders, cannot.

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. Also, there is this from Owen:

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Doom failed to kill the beyonders with that "Time Bomb"
As shown when they asked who stand before them.

So no they aren't the same....

We also saw ship looking things spewing from the portal:
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Beyonders are more than meets the eye, IMO. They might even be robots in disguise, IMO.

Deodata is terrible

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Doom failed to kill the beyonders with that "Time Bomb"
As shown when they asked who stand before them.

So no they aren't the same....

Got any proof that they are different? I have seen tons of evidence at the moment saying that they are the same. You haven't provided a single shred of proof beyond you wanting your pet character to win.

Doom with this massive power up wins.

Originally posted by Galan007


Beyonders are more than meets the eye, IMO. They might even be robots in disguise, IMO.

They combine to form the Voltron Vehicle Force:

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20121106-0650021.jpg

Deodata was probably watching his kid play with his cheap ripoffs and started drawing an omnipotent race. He brought it to Hickman and Hickman was like "I just... I don't have time for you to redraw these right. You drew a fighter jet here with wheels ffs. Whatever it's done I guess. Glad I'm not paying you."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Ex Nihilo killed one, and hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor (who had one arm, and no Mjolnir).

Doom realises they cannot time travel/are susceptible to matter manip, and turns them into trees. I hardly think hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor. One Beyonder was well on its way to killing the both of them along with Starbrand before Kevin detonated on him preventing him from finishing the job.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Got any proof that they are different? I have seen tons of evidence at the moment saying that they are the same. You haven't provided a single shred of proof beyond you wanting your pet character to win.

Doom with this massive power up wins.
1. Someone posted a clear scan contradicting anything you stated here.....they aren't the same.

2. Took doom years to kill the celestial race it took the beyonders 1 hit each lol.

(also not my Pet character try again bud labeling me based on my name doesn't mean anything.)

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Deodata is terrible

At least his Thor doesn't look like Santa Claus.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
1. Someone posted a clear scan contradicting anything you stated here.....they aren't the same.



Galan's post/scans show they were the same...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Deodata was probably watching his kid play with his cheap ripoffs and started drawing an omnipotent race. He brought it to Hickman and Hickman was like "I just... I don't have time for you to redraw these right. You drew a fighter jet here with wheels ffs. Whatever it's done I guess. Glad I'm not paying you." One of the jets even came complete with a Gatling Gun, I just noticed:
http://i.imgur.com/eDNXvPw.png

...A Gatling Gun from BEYOND, though.


Maybe that explains where Odin's gun came from:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23314121_Loki_-_Agent_of_Asgard_014-018.jpg

He is really sporting a piece of Beyonder super-tech right there.


I'm connecting dots all over the f*cking place today.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
1. Someone posted a clear scan contradicting anything you stated here.....they aren't the same. You are a complete idiot.

What ever happened to the Infinites?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
1. Someone posted a clear scan contradicting anything you stated here.....they aren't the same.

2. Took doom years to kill the celestial race it took the beyonders 1 hit each lol.

(also not my Pet character try again bud labeling me based on my name doesn't mean anything.)

Who was it? If it was Galan, I have him on ignore, and don't trust a single scan he posts. He's famous on here for drawing his own comics and trying to pass it off as canon. To the point that posters ask him for permission to use his scans:

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Galan would you be okay if I used the Morlun scan for my respect thread?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's famous on here for drawing his own comics and trying to pass it off as canon.

no sh!t. i mean did you SEE the beyond-formers he's trying to pass off as omnipotent beings? pfft. sh!t just can't be real.

Doom does not need a powerup to kill Beyonders.

Why is this still being debated? Brevoort already explained this:

The Beyonders are only well-equipped to kill the likes of Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, Death, Celestials (the entire race), Master Order and Lord Chaos; and to destroy galaxies, universes and multiverses. But when they face the likes of Thor they are in real trouble. Earth-sphere superbeings are like kryptonite to them.

Therefore, Doom wins.

Originally posted by Magnon
Why is this still being debated? Brevoort already explained this:

The Beyonders are only well-equipped to kill the likes of Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, Death, Celestials (the entire race), Master Order and Lord Chaos; and to destroy galaxies, universes and multiverses. But when they face the likes of Thor they are in real trouble. Earth-sphere superbeings are like kryptonite to them.

Therefore, Doom wins.

Or maybe Beyonders are Kryptonite to Eternity/LT etc...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or maybe Beyonders are Kryptonite to Eternity/LT etc...
Maybe. In any case it's a rock-paper-scissors situation.

Originally posted by Magnon
Why is this still being debated? Brevoort already explained this:

The Beyonders are only well-equipped to kill the likes of Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, Death, Celestials (the entire race), Master Order and Lord Chaos; and to destroy galaxies, universes and multiverses. But when they face the likes of Thor they are in real trouble. Earth-sphere superbeings are like kryptonite to them.

Therefore, Doom wins.
SO they are able to kill only High level cosmic beings but not deities?......someone screenshot this statement and post it here!

Someone please tell me hickman is trolling about with the beyonders.......

I know you people know far more about comics than I do. But this is insane. Any character who could beat the Living Tribunal should be light years ahead of Doom or any of this silly prep characters like him and Batman have.

Using the Superman has a weakness and trying to rationalize Doom beating characters who could wipe out the Celestials and Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal really doesn't have any weakness.

One Celestial should be crush Doom and any other Earth based hero. The thing is with characters like Doom is they get built up by writers who like him to do things he should never be able to do. He is still a regular human. There is no way he should be able to contend with million plus year old deities who can destroy universes.

Originally posted by big juggy man
I know you people know far more about comics than I do. But this is insane. Any character who could beat the Living Tribunal should be light years ahead of Doom or any of this silly prep characters like him and Batman have.

Using the Superman has a weakness and trying to rationalize Doom beating characters who could wipe out the Celestials and Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal really doesn't have any weakness.

One Celestial should be crush Doom and any other Earth based hero. The thing is with characters like Doom is they get built up by writers who like him to do things he should never be able to do. He is still a regular human. There is no way he should be able to contend with million plus year old deities who can destroy universes.

The problem is, comic writers don't give two hoots about what we on battleboards think.

If it is a good story, they will write how Squirrel Girl, or Doom, rise above their tiers and beat deities.

Originally posted by Magnon
Why is this still being debated? Brevoort already explained this:

The Beyonders are only well-equipped to kill the likes of Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, Death, Celestials (the entire race), Master Order and Lord Chaos; and to destroy galaxies, universes and multiverses. But when they face the likes of Thor they are in real trouble. Earth-sphere superbeings are like kryptonite to them.

Therefore, Doom wins. one beyonder shat on thor,hyperion and starbrand...not to mention,we don't even know if its the same ones that faced the abstracts that faced thor,as they may have different power levels,doom gets shat on

Originally posted by Genii96
one beyonder shat on thor,hyperion and starbrand...not to mention,we don't even know if its the same ones that faced the abstracts that faced thor,as they may have different power levels,doom gets shat on

This thread has scans showing they're the same though...

Originally posted by ODG

I hardly think hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor. One Beyonder was well on its way to killing the both of them along with Starbrand before Kevin detonated on him preventing him from finishing the job.
I saw those scans. I still haven't read the entire story but ... when was a Beyonder actually defeated?

Also, that Beyonder that was owning Thor/Hyperion/Starbrand seemed to be just taking its time, self assured of the win,
knowing it's complete supremacy over them.

That ending scene with tons of BeyonderS was just total overkill. (an epic illustrated exit for the heroes)
though they never stood a chance against even one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I saw those scans. I still haven't read the entire story but ... when was a Beyonder actually defeated?

Also, that Beyonder that was owning Thor/Hyperion/Starbrand seemed to be just taking its time, self assured of the win,
knowing it's complete supremacy over them.

That ending scene with tons of BeyonderS was just total overkill. (an epic illustrated exit for the heroes)
though they never stood a chance against even one.
The Thor/Hyperion vs hundreds of Beyonders can be explained as overkill as you say.

Aybss/Ex morphing one into a pretzel against it's will and Starbrand jihad bombing the other can't (since it seems those two Beyonders were actually destroyed).

Hickman phucked up big time.

Yeah the 1 beyonder was owning them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I saw those scans. I still haven't read the entire story but ... when was a Beyonder actually defeated?

Also, that Beyonder that was owning Thor/Hyperion/Starbrand seemed to be just taking its time, self assured of the win,
knowing it's complete supremacy over them.

That ending scene with tons of BeyonderS was just total overkill. (an epic illustrated exit for the heroes)
though they never stood a chance against even one.

Abyss and Ex Nihilo, who I would place FAR below Doom with the powers he had in the What If? story, transformed one into a tree:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/b92fc0d663ba55b404d7b60860cc9e6e/tumblr_nls27cDBvP1ur9y8no2_1280.jpg

Starbrand took one out by exploding. Again, I'd place him below Doom with What IF? powers:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4474990-new+avengers+032-019.jpg

Lastly - it has been revealed that Doom has, WITHOUT the power levels seen in the What If? story, been killing Beyonders, and taking their power. Hence, Doomworld. So yeah, they've been defeated a fair few times. Mainly by the very guy in this thread lol.