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Many of the greatest Dark Lords of the Sith assemble a strike force of untold power to confront a threat bigger than the galaxy itself.

Emperor Palpatine from Dark Empire.
Emperor Vitiate from Rise of the Emperor.
Darth Krayt Reborn from Legacy - War.
Darth Plagueis from The Phantom Menace.
Darth Malgus from The Old Republic.

- vs -

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Why is Malgus even here?

He's ridiculously powerful and practically became one with the darkside, something only Sidious and Vitiate can claim to have achieved.

One off.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why is Malgus even here?
To get ragdolled along with Plagueis and Krayt. Anyway, I'm not sure. I'm thinking Son, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why is Malgus even here?
Because he is tougher than Plagueis.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because he is tougher than Plagueis.

Irrelevant, if you have Plagueis lower than Malgus than neither are deserving when there are stronger Sith to be placed.

That said, I'm not sure it's possible to defeat the Son using the dark side. I know in the case of Abeloth, she could only be defeated by the Dark Side and the Light Side working in unison tbh.

Okay, scrap Plagueis and Malgus and add Yoda and NJO!Jacen.

Would it really make a difference?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, scrap Plagueis and Malgus and add Yoda and NJO!Jacen.

Would it really make a difference?

Sure it would. If Abeloth is actually stronger than the Son and Daughter, then even if she was weakened, this proportionally stronger team should certainly have a shot at defeating her physical avatar. The same could go for the Son.

I think that all of those powerful sith combined can actually take him out. However it's said that only the father, abeloth, the daughter and anakin could defeat the son. However this is each sith in their prime combined and Sidious and vitiate plus plagues can definitely take on the son.

The Father was concerned that his children's battle would rend the very fabric of the universe if they weren't on Mortis.

This battle ends like Madara vs. The 5 Kage.

Well if we're going there, wasn't Sidious able to rend the very fabric of the universe as well?

Also it's not like Abeloth did anything remotely like that.

You realise that the very fabric of the universe is just, like, space? It doesn't mean they'd tear ALL the fabric of the universe. I can tear the fabric of my top, it doesn't mean I rip it to threads.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You realise that the very fabric of the universe is just, like, space? It doesn't mean they'd tear ALL the fabric of the universe. I can tear the fabric of my top, it doesn't mean I rip it to threads.

I wasn't suggesting that at all. But if I say 'Stop you'll tear the fabric' I don't mean that there's going to be a little microscopic tear.

Wasn't a full potentiol Anakin stated to be a match for them who is only double that of Sidious.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Wasn't a full potentiol Anakin stated to be a match for them who is only double that of Sidious.

Yes, he was.

Team wins.

Not even just the Son either, the Father as well.

Son gets stomped

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes, he was.

Team wins.

Not even just the Son either, the Father as well.

Only problem with that is we don't really know how power scales at that end of the spectrum in the SW Universe. Mortis!Anakin is like a late season DBZ level entity whereas normal Jedi are like street level heroes.

In other words, it could scale exponentially. Full Potential Anakin might be millions of times more powerful than DE Sidious for all we know.

Let's say Sids is 100%. Your average Jedi is 1%. 100 scrub Jedi would find it hard to fight DE Sidious.

Let's say Anakin is 200%. Maybe it takes 100 DE Sidious' or more to defeat him. We just don't know because we don't have a clear linear scale between DE Sids and Mortis Anakin to work with.

Could be that The Son is 199%, and that 1% difference is all that makes him a joke compared to Anakin.


TLDR: power levels in SW might be exponential not linear

''Finishes drinking beer'' i'm sorry what was that.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
''Finishes drinking beer'' i'm sorry what was that.


Have you ever watched Bleach? Aizen is only 200% of your average Captain and yet cuts through 10 of the mother****ers with ease.

Look at what a 20% difference is from ROTJ Sidious to Vader. Imagine what a gap 10xs that will look like.

Stark is right, Son slaughterfest.

I haven't watched Bleach. But if Star Wars runs on that logic than I suppose you're right

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
I haven't watched Bleach. But if Star Wars runs on that logic than I suppose you're right

I'll humor it. This is how this battle would go.

5tP8_onP0Js

Not to mention the Son can create powerful illusions kinda like Aizen lol.

Originally posted by carthage
Son gets stomped

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Also Malgus, Plagueis, and Krayt cannot even hurt the Son. Only Force Storm and Vitiate's drain can likely even do damage to him, and even that is doubtful.

Krayt's force drain hurt Abeloth.

Originally posted by Q99
Krayt's force drain hurt Abeloth.

A weakened Abeloth if I recall correctly. Also wasn't Abeloth stated to be 12 times more powerful than Luke?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Have you ever watched Bleach? Aizen is only 200% of your average Captain and yet cuts through 10 of the mother****ers with ease.

Look at what a 20% difference is from ROTJ Sidious to Vader. Imagine what a gap 10xs that will look like.
While I agree, is it even legal to bring Bleach into a logical debate, tho?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
While I agree, is it even legal to bring Bleach into a logical debate, tho?

Not at all. I was just explaining the Hero of Python's post in simpler terms.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
A weakened Abeloth if I recall correctly. Also wasn't Abeloth stated to be 12 times more powerful than Luke?


She was in good shape at the time. Some of her bodies being attacked at the same time helped, but it was the majority of her essence vs the two of them.

There's more to fighting than power level, it's not like DBZ where someone being stronger makes them immune to weaker fighters.

I mean, he needed Luke to actually restrain Abeloth to pull it off, but a Krayt- pre-reborn Krayt, only his second strongest form- was without a doubt doing plenty of damage to Abeloth.

Originally posted by Q99
She was in good shape at the time. Some of her bodies being attacked at the same time helped, but it was the majority of her essence vs the two of them.

There's more to fighting than power level, it's not like DBZ where someone being stronger makes them immune to weaker fighters.

I mean, he needed Luke to actually restrain Abeloth to pull it off, but a Krayt- pre-reborn Krayt, only his second strongest form- was without a doubt doing plenty of damage to Abeloth.

Its stated that the only way to hurt the Son is through that dagger though...

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not at all. I was just explaining the Hero of Python's post in simpler terms.

Yup you got it. But we really don't know either way so it's hard to say who wins this. With the info we have, I'm inclined to say Son wins. Star Wars isn't shonen, but that just seems to be the way power scaling works usually.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Yup you got it. But we really don't know either way so it's hard to say who wins this. With the info we have, I'm inclined to say Son wins. Star Wars isn't shonen, but that just seems to be the way power scaling works usually.

Oh I agree. But I just don't think that Sith can beat the guy who is the Dark Side personified.

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Son wins tbh

Inb4 neither of them died.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Yup you got it. But we really don't know either way so it's hard to say who wins this. With the info we have, I'm inclined to say Son wins. Star Wars isn't shonen, but that just seems to be the way power scaling works usually.

I think that's the way people sometimes treat the power scaling to work, but the Abeloth fight kinda indicates otherwise, as does the fact that using strike teams against powerful people is not only done regularly, but often works.

Originally posted by Q99
I think that's the way people sometimes treat the power scaling to work, but the Abeloth fight kinda indicates otherwise, as does the fact that using strike teams against powerful people is not only done regularly, but often works.

Oh yeah?
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...I think the team can take him. Though they should probably ditch Malgus for Caedus.

Lmao Stark. +1

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I wasn't suggesting that at all. But if I say 'Stop you'll tear the fabric' I don't mean that there's going to be a little microscopic tear.

You said they were universal threats. That's a great overestimation. The only real thing we can use to see how good they are off Mortis is Abeloth imo, that statement about the universe is too vague.

With Revan to control the Son, the team loses.

Sith Strike Team literally stomps.

Originally posted by NewGuy01

That said, I'm not sure it's possible to defeat the Son using the dark side. I know in the case of Abeloth, she could only be defeated by the Dark Side and the Light Side working in unison tbh.

Confronting Abeloth with light and dark was rather symbolical meaning. On practice she was killed by Krayt. All Luke did is restrained her, which allowed Krayt to deal mortal wound. In physical world Abeloth could be killed by anyone, even though she is still technically alive, it is still considered losing fight.

As of Son, he can be defeated with lightsaber too(this is how he died). He is not simply immune to lightsaber but rather uses Force to absorb blade energy or deflect with hands. If his effort is diverted to different Force application, lightsaber will wound him.

Originally posted by Arhael
As of Son, he can be defeated with lightsaber too(this is how he died). He is not simply immune to lightsaber but rather uses Force to absorb blade energy or deflect with hands. If his effort is diverted to different Force application, lightsaber will wound him.

Originally posted by Arhael
Confronting Abeloth with light and dark was rather symbolical meaning. On practice she was killed by Krayt. All Luke did is restrained her, which allowed Krayt to deal mortal wound. In physical world Abeloth could be killed by anyone, even though she is still technically alive, it is still considered losing fight.

If you want to throw that GL quote in my face as evidence then you also need to consider that Luke by that time is 200% of Sidious. So it took a being who is 200% of Sidious just to restrain Abeloth.


Lol seriously? That's the example you use? With the death of his father The Son lost his powers and immortality. Did you not miss that whole Father stabbing himself with the dagger?

So sure a lightsaber can harm a powerless mortal son. Its pretty clear lightsabers can't hurt the Ones when Father grabbed Skywalker's lightsaber.

Didn't read the previous pages, but Malgus has no business being here. Substitute him with someone like Caedus, for example.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol seriously? That's the example you use? With the death of his father The Son lost his powers and immortality. Did you not miss that whole Father stabbing himself with the dagger?

So sure a lightsaber can harm a powerless mortal son. Its pretty clear lightsabers can't hurt the Ones when Father grabbed Skywalker's lightsaber.
If lightsaber can't hurt them, why then father used Tutaminis on Anakin's lightsaber and Son used his hand to block Anakin's lightsaber?

Immortality is not a switch that activates with X amount of power.
Father was nearly killed by Son's lightning, it is proof enough that they can be hurt.

Abeloth is similar being to The Ones. Son gained power by bathing in Font of Power. Daughter - Pool of Knowledge. Abeloth is above either of them because she bathed in both. Yet, she could be wounded with lightsaber, explosions and Force attacks.

Originally posted by Arhael
If lightsaber can't hurt them, why then father used Tutaminis on Anakin's lightsaber and Son used his hand to block Anakin's lightsaber?

He didn't. He grabbed Anakin's lightsaber then pushed it back into its hilt.



1. Yes it is. *See Vitiate, Plagueis, and Sidious who all sought immortality though more power in the force.
2. The Father was knocking on death's door by that point anyway, so this proves nothing.





1. Luke himself states pretty blatantly that they didn't even kill Abeloth and only the dagger can truly kill her, which is why the Order went searching for the Dagger of Mortis.

2. Abeloth is not like the Ones. She started as a mortal being 100,000 BBY. The Ones are immortals who have been around for over 1,000,000 years. +Its stated that the power she gained twisted her far more than either the Son or the Daughter.