Lumiya vs Talzin

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WildBantha88
"Mother Talzin your alive!"

"Too bad you shall die!"

carthage
Lumiya gets stomped by the force

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by WildBantha88
"Mother Talzin your alive!"

"Too bad you shall die!"
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Aurbere
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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NewGuy01
That wasn't bad for Bantha, tbh. And I remember that quote, lol.

Also Talzin pretty much stomps.

Nephthys
Talzin stomps.

ares834
Originally posted by NewGuy01
That wasn't bad for Bantha, tbh. And I remember that quote, lol.

Also Talzin pretty much stomps.

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Anyway, Talzin shit stomps.

WildBantha88
How come Jacen fights Luke and is considered a god but when Lumiya fights Luke she isn't?

EmperorSidious2
Talzin shows lumiya why magic is trumps the force.

ares834
Originally posted by WildBantha88
How come Jacen fights Luke and is considered a god but when Lumiya fights Luke she isn't?

Because it was massive PIS. And in the second fight, when Luke isn't concerned about nearby citizens, he easily bested her.

Plus she struggled against Lobi.

Nephthys
Originally posted by WildBantha88
How come Jacen fights Luke and is considered a god but when Lumiya fights Luke she isn't?

Lumiya got overpowered in the force by a standard jedi knight.

WildBantha88
Originally posted by ares834
Because it was massive PIS. And in the second fight, when Luke isn't concerned about nearby citizens, he easily bested her.

Plus she struggled against Lobi. feat for Lobi. Also I read that fight, she killed most of the citizens and she was fighting evenly with Luke until he got distracted and it turned to her favor. She did use a citizen as a human shield once but for the majority of the fight it was a fair fight and seemingly a stalemate

WildBantha88
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lumiya got overpowered in the force by a standard jedi knight. impressive Jedi Knight

Nephthys
Not really.

WildBantha88
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. clearly...

ares834
Originally posted by WildBantha88
feat for Lobi. Also I read that fight, she killed most of the citizens and she was fighting evenly with Luke until he got distracted and it turned to her favor. She did use a citizen as a human shield once but for the majority of the fight it was a fair fight and seemingly a stalemate

Like I said massive PIS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lumiya got overpowered in the force by a standard jedi knight.

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SunRazer
Magic isn't better than the Force, lol. Talzin got shown that the hard way twice.

Arhael
Talzin will win but not a stomp. Lumiya is able to defend against Force attacks but due to lack of Force reserves will get tired fast.


That wasn't an easy victory. Luke managed to drive her back but that's it. Then they had saber lock contest in which Luke was able to push her off the cliff. Winning due to taking advantage of the environment is not an easy victory.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lumiya got overpowered in the force by a standard jedi knight.
Lumiya did not get overpowered. She pushed statue back at Jedi, while continued talking to Jacen. She lost because she got eventually tired.

It demonstrates that she gets tired fast but not that her TK is weak.

NewGuy01
It's because Luke isn't as amazing a duelist as he's made out to be, tbh.

ares834
Yes, the guy who bested DE Palpatine and cut through swarms of Vong isn't an amazing duelist. Logic. thumb up

He is every bit as good as people make him out to be.

NewGuy01
Bested a Palpatine that arguably hasn't handled a lightsaber in decades, with help, and is consistently challenged by lesser duelists that Palps would wipe the floor with, yes. thumb up

Let's also not forget that when Luke challenged Palpatine alone, he fared rather poorly.

ares834
Absolutely no evidence for that. The audio drama makes it clear Leia doesn't join with Luke until after the duel. And the duel itself is so intense and quick that Leia could barely perceive it.

And of course he lost on Byss. As Palpatine says, "Did you really think you could conquer me by coming here o Byss, to the very heart of the dark side?"

NewGuy01
Regardless of Leia not starting the harmony until after the duel, the context and dialogue makes it blatantly obvious that Luke is benefiting from her's and Anakin's presence. Of course Leia couldn't perceive the duel, she's a barely trained Force user.

Looking at the panels, Palps never said anything of the sort. Even if he had, it wouldn't make any sense considering that we're dealing with a fallen, dark Luke. Hell, the entire purpose of the battle was for Luke to realize he couldn't beat Palpatine by fighting fire with fire, tbh.

ares834
Of course? Very few lightsaber duels are ever described at such a pace. And what hints at Luke benefiting from their presence? She helped him free himself from the dark side but nothing hints at her helping him in anyway in the duel, the audio drama makes this clear.

He says it in the audio drama. And Palpatine's mastery of the dark side far outstrips Luke's. Plus, at that time, Luke hasn't submitted to the dark side yet.

NewGuy01
Nexuses don't pick favorites, and Palpatine also said that Luke was trying to defeat him with the dark side powers that he had given him.

ares834
Considering what Palpatine says I'd say otherwise. DS nexuses after all boost dark siders and Luke at the time was only part way using the DS.

NewGuy01
Part way using the DS? So are you implying he was "part way" using the light too? I'm not under the impression that Luke was going Revan on us. On Byss the Dark Side is at it's strongest, and they were both using the Dark Side--pretty fair playing field. Fact of the matter is that Palpatine is just better at it, and for some reason that seems to delegitimize the victory for you.

carthage
Wasn't he in a weakened clone body at the time?

NewGuy01
Not sure if it was specifically weakened amongst it's peers, but it's implied in RoDV that Sidious stopped using/practicing with his lightsaber after RotS. thumb up

SunRazer
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not sure if it was specifically weakened amongst it's peers, but it's implied in RoDV that Sidious stopped using/practicing with his lightsaber after RotS. thumb up

He does draw it briefly to blitz a party of nobodies, but he is out of practice. Then again, his last duel before the one against Maul and Savage was what, before TPM? That's well over a decade, yet his skill didn't deteriorate.

carthage
He also used his saber to kill hordes of Lyleks in canon.

He likely never lost his dueling ability.

NewGuy01
You think he wasn't keeping up his skills in that time, though? It was only after he defeated the Jedi Order that keeping up his lightsaber skills lost purpose, since he admittedly only needed them because he wanted to beat the Jedi at their own game.

ares834
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Part way using the DS? So are you implying he was "part way" using the light too? I'm not under the impression that Luke was going Revan on us. On Byss the Dark Side is at it's strongest, and they were both using the Dark Side--pretty fair playing field. Fact of the matter is that Palpatine is just better at it, and for some reason that seems to delegitimize the victory for you.

Da fuq? I straight up said Palpatine's mastery of the DS is greater than Luke's. And yes, he was using it "part way". He hadn't fully submitted to it yet. Doesn't mean he was pulling a Revan or anything though.

NewGuy01
It doesn't matter. A dark side nexus is a place or thing where the dark side is unusually strong; fully corrupted or not Luke was using the dark side, not the light, nor little of both, to fight Palpatine on Byss--he'd be receiving the same locational benefits Palpatine was. He lost because he can't beat Palpatine at his game, not because the battle was unfair.

SunRazer
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You think he wasn't keeping up his skills in that time, though? It was only after he defeated the Jedi Order that keeping up his lightsaber skills lost purpose, since he admittedly only needed them because he wanted to beat the Jedi at their own game.

Well, I doubt he had time to practice between rituals (The Ultimate Visual Guide) and Senatorial issues. And he definitely didn't engage anybody in a duel.

ares834
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It doesn't matter. A dark side nexus is a place or thing where the dark side is unusually strong; fully corrupted or not Luke was using the dark side, not the light, nor little of both, to fight Palpatine on Byss--he'd be receiving the same locational benefits Palpatine was. He lost because he can't beat Palpatine at his game, not because the battle was unfair.

It was unfair. Palpatine pretty much says as much.

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