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Dennis is in deep trouble with sexual misconduct, what a sick twisted pervert.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/dennis-hastert-indictment-questions/

Another professional anti-gay-rights Republican turns out to be both a sexual lover of other males and a sexual abuser.

he didnt pray hard enough. i'm sure he'll find christ again and forgive himself.

Who else?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Who else?

Randy Boehning being caught sending sex-pics to other men on a gay dating service less than 3 months ago comes to mind.

Do you need a list of something? This seems to be a tread, you make it your job to hate on gay people professionally, you're probably a self-loathing closeted homosexual yourself.

Do you remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

No.

It seems to be an epidemic, there has been so many allegations, I bet this will get swept under though.

He'll probably lose his political pull, retire and as Basher noted, find Jesus (again), forgive himself and all will be good.

Originally posted by Robtard
Another professional anti-gay-rights Republican turns out to be both a sexual lover of other males and a sexual abuser.

It just never gets old, does it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Randy Boehning being caught sending sex-pics to other men on a gay dating service less than 3 months ago comes to mind.

Do you need a list of something? This seems to be a tread, you make it your job to hate on gay people professionally, you're probably a self-loathing closeted homosexual yourself.

With a name like Randy Boehning why was it even a surprise?

Does anyone really care what he does in his personal life? I think there's a misguided understanding of what a pervert is. Society has had men sleeping with young girls or boys since the time of Christ... It's a notion that will play out till the end of time. It happens everywhere and there are young people who want sex with older people and find each other. People just want to believe it doesnt happen, i say all power to him... if he can get his old grandpa balls sucked at his age...whooa!

I would so suck his balls for money and treats. 3.5 million and I'll ****ken be his fluff boy. Daddy I want this...lol

Yes, what's wrong with having sex with underaged boys as long as you pay them millions to keep their mouths shut... and open too...

Why should anyone care about a boy hungry pedophile who is anti-gay? It happens. Deal with it!

Originally posted by rudester
Does anyone really care what he does in his personal life? I think there's a misguided understanding of what a pervert is. Society has had men sleeping with young girls or boys since the time of Christ... It's a notion that will play out till the end of time. It happens everywhere and there are young people who want sex with older people and find each other. People just want to believe it doesnt happen, i say all power to him... if he can get his old grandpa balls sucked at his age...whooa!

You have issues, seek professional help.

Do you guys think the polcie should be punished for leaking the Duggar case to the media, years after it had already taken place?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do you guys think the polcie should be punished for leaking the Duggar case to the media, years after it had already taken place?

The police did not leak anything. InTouch Weekly obtained the original police report through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The police did not leak anything. InTouch Weekly obtained the original police report through a Freedom of Information Act request.

I feel bad for the daughters. They really didn't deserve this shit.

If it was intouch weekly, thats pretty wrong to go into a juvenile case.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The police did not leak anything. InTouch Weekly obtained the original police report through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Honestly I don't think you care much, you seem to care more about Josh speaking out against the LGBT community, which makes him a hypocrite, however In Touch going public with this to deface and spite the family without thinking of the girls that already went through this once is deplorable.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The police did not leak anything. InTouch Weekly obtained the original police report through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Ah but you are mistaken..

"Records of the arrest of a juvenile, the detention of a juvenile shall be confidential and shall not be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act."

So yea Police leaked them.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/oprah-cancels-josh-duggar-molestation-chicago-taping-19-kids-and-counting/

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah but you are mistaken..

"Records of the arrest of a juvenile, the detention of a juvenile shall be confidential and shall not be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act."

So yea Police leaked them.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/oprah-cancels-josh-duggar-molestation-chicago-taping-19-kids-and-counting/

Juvenile records are not protected from FOIA inquiry if the criminal activity involved the sexual victimization of another minor per the Juvenile Court Act of 1987:

"Reports in which minors are the victims of sex crimes or are incidentally mentioned are not exempt in full, but the names of the minors may be redacted."

Records are only sealed by a court and by court order.

This case never went to court because:

The parents did not report the abuse for 18 months, which is half of the statute of limitations.

The officer to whom they reported the abuse, a family friend who is now serving a 56-year sentence for child pornography, did not file any charges.

The parents refused to cooperate with the investigation, and the statute of limitations eventually passed.

The sheriff's report are public records of which the only legal requirement is the redaction of the names of minors.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"2.The officer to whom they reported the abuse, a family friend who is now serving a 56-year sentence for child pornography, did not file any charges."

Excellent judgmental call on the parents. Yeah, I know. They probably didn't now that the person they were handing their deranged son over to was a degenerate himself.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Honestly I don't think you care much, you seem to care more about Josh speaking out against the LGBT community, which makes him a hypocrite, however In Touch going public with this to deface and spite the family without thinking of the girls that already went through this once is deplorable.

I think the public had a right to know. This family has been trying to present a certain image of themselves. But the one guy was fondling his sisters? That is creepy and sick.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I feel bad for the daughters. They really didn't deserve this shit.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Honestly I don't think you care much, you seem to care more about Josh speaking out against the LGBT community, which makes him a hypocrite, however In Touch going public with this to deface and spite the family without thinking of the girls that already went through this once is deplorable.

Jim Bob and Michelle "defaced and spited" their own family.

When the first daughter who was victimized came forward and reported the abuse, they did nothing.

They did not act until 18 months later when three more of their daughters came forward and reported being abused as well.

After this, he went on to molest his cousin as well.

Had they acted after the first victim came forward, there would not have been four additional victims.

That is deplorable.

Forcing those girls to live with their abuser is deplorable.

Broadcasting their lives on television, publicizing their family, and inviting scrutiny, knowing this is in their past and could possible come out is deplorable.

Those parents are concerned about the well-being of those girls one bit.

Exposing the abuse they allowed to happen and then tried to cover up in order to shield their precious son from consequences is justice.

I always found the entire family to be creepy to be honest. Maybe creepy isn't the word, but something seemed..off about them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Excellent judgmental call on the parents. Yeah, I know. They probably didn't now that the person they were handing their deranged son over to was a degenerate himself.

I am sure they did know.

For example, Evangelical Christians do not accept the concept of sexual orientation. So one is not a homosexual, he is just someone who struggles with same-sex attraction. Same-sex sexual activity is simply sexual immorality. If one is not actively engaging in said activity, he is not a homosexual.

In their interview with Megan Kelley, Jim Bob and Michelle stated they do not believe that Josh is a pedophile, because he is no longer engaging in the sexual immorality with children.

This mindset is one of the reasons child sexual abuse is so pervasive in the church.

They do not see child abusers or pedophiles as people with persistent, difficult to treat psychiatric disorders.

They see them as ordinary people who are struggling with a sexual sin that can be overcome through Christ.

That their friend the sheriff was struggling with the sexual sin of pornography is probably why they brought their son to him in the first place.

He is an authority figure who can credibly threaten their son but whom will not actually do anything, and is also someone who can relate to him about his struggle with sexual sin.

Knowing how these people operate, that is too much of a coincidence to be happenstance.

I sincerely hope that's incorrect (them knowing), just makes them bigger scumbags if so.

But now that you mentioned it, I can imagine the scenario: "Son, talk with this man, he had the same demons as you do and through the power of Christ he rid himself of them."

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am sure they did know.

For example, Evangelical Christians do not accept the concept of sexual orientation. So one is not a homosexual, he is just someone who struggles with same-sex attraction. Same-sex sexual activity is simply sexual immorality. If one is not actively engaging in said activity, he is not a homosexual.

In their interview with Megan Kelley, Jim Bob and Michelle stated they do not believe that Josh is a pedophile, because he is no longer engaging in the sexual immorality with children.

This mindset is one of the reasons child sexual abuse is so pervasive in the church.

They do not see child abusers or pedophiles as people with persistent, difficult to treat psychiatric disorders.

They see them as ordinary people who are struggling with a sexual sin that can be overcome through Christ.

That their friend the sheriff was struggling with the sexual sin of pornography is probably why they brought their son to him in the first place.

He is an authority figure who can credibly threaten their son but whom will not actually do anything, and is also someone who can relate to him about his struggle with sexual sin.

Knowing how these people operate, that is too much of a coincidence to be happenstance.

I have to agree that this is the mindset of many fundamentalist Christians.

So sad.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think the public had a right to know. This family has been trying to present a certain image of themselves. But the one guy was fondling his sisters? That is creepy and sick.

I believe he was 14 when the fondling happened. Which makes him a minor. Now if you had kids you probably would have done the same thing. I believe the law states its up to the parents to decide what to do. I don't think it was morally right to leek it to the media, when the problem had been addressed years ago. It would be one thing if he was doing this as an adult yes? But a 14 year old, seems the law gives the parents authority what to do.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Juvenile records are not protected from FOIA inquiry if the criminal activity involved the sexual victimization of another minor per the Juvenile Court Act of 1987:

"Reports in which minors are the victims of sex crimes or are incidentally mentioned are not exempt in full, but the names of the minors may be redacted."

Records are only sealed by a court and by court order.

This case never went to court because:

The parents did not report the abuse for 18 months, which is half of the statute of limitations.

The officer to whom they reported the abuse, a family friend who is now serving a 56-year sentence for child pornography, did not file any charges.

The parents refused to cooperate with the investigation, and the statute of limitations eventually passed.

The sheriff's report are public records of which the only legal requirement is the redaction of the names of minors.

It didn't go to court because of reasons I mentioned above, he was 14, and the law there dictates how the parents handle it. I doubt the parents had any clue the sherriff they sent him too had a sick problem of child pornography. Unless you think they willfully sent there child who was having a touching problem to a known child pornographer. Anyways I know he spoke out against LBGT community about child touching, and that makes him a hypocrite, however, everyone is hypocrites at some point in there life, and something he did at 14, is he held accountable for it for the rest of his life?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I believe he was 14 when the fondling happened. Which makes him a minor. Now if you had kids you probably would have done the same thing. I believe the law states its up to the parents to decide what to do. I don't think it was morally right to leek it to the media, when the problem had been addressed years ago. It would be one thing if he was doing this as an adult yes? But a 14 year old, seems the law gives the parents authority what to do.

I think the issue is that after the parents found out about the first incident, theirs actions or inactions allowed him to attack four(?) more victims.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think the issue is that after the parents found out about the first incident, theirs actions or inactions allowed him to attack four (?) more victims.

From the interview I watched, it sounded like they jumped on it as soon as they found out about it. They separated him from the girls, he was not allowed to be alone with anyone other then the parents at any given time. Then some more touching happened and they sent him to counseling.

Bottom line, the situation is fcked because the kid was a minor, and had some issues. No legal recourse would really happen, because of that. Its a very complicated situation, I don't think it did anyone help but the media too leak a 15 year old story, on which the family had gotten passed.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
From the interview I watched, it sounded like they jumped on it as soon as they found out about it. They separated him from the girls, he was not allowed to be alone with anyone other then the parents at any given time. Then some more touching happened and they sent him to counseling.

Bottom line, the situation is fcked because the kid was a minor, and had some issues. No legal recourse would really happen, because of that. Its a very complicated situation, I don't think it did anyone help but the media too leak a 15 year old story, on which the family had gotten passed.

Seems like they didn't do enough, considering her went on to molest four more victims. Which is what my point about "being the issue" was.

If they weren't public figures who use their public figure status to give voice to matters, I'd probably agree. But they are and seeing/hearing how holier-than-thou ranters are really just shitbags sells.

edit: I'd also like to point out another fact that someone brought up about this family being sold as "the ideal moral family". It's apparently a farce and imo, it's important that people who take what this family says to heart know the truth.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I believe he was 14 when the fondling happened. Which makes him a minor. Now if you had kids you probably would have done the same thing. I believe the law states its up to the parents to decide what to do. I don't think it was morally right to leek it to the media, when the problem had been addressed years ago. It would be one thing if he was doing this as an adult yes? But a 14 year old, seems the law gives the parents authority what to do.

Even a 14 yr. old should know better then to fondle his sisters. The parents also had the kids who had been molested living in the same house as the one who did the molesting. Is that a parent whose judgement you trust?

Originally posted by Surtur
Even a 14 yr. old should know better then to fondle his sisters.

I think he did, thats why he confessed. I don't think punishing the family by national coverage is appropriate is what I am saying. This is Arkansas after all

Originally posted by Surtur
The parents also had the kids who had been molested living in the same house as the one who did the molesting. Is that a parent whose judgement you trust?

From my understanding they removed him from the house after.

On the other hand, in their show they tried to give off this squeaky clean "I go on my daughters dates with her!" image. They were also far too preachy even BEFORE this news came out.

When you try to concoct a certain image in the media..I don't think you can be upset if someone reveals news shattering that image.

Originally posted by Surtur
On the other hand, in their show they tried to give off this squeaky clean "I go on my daughters dates with her!" image. They were also far too preachy even BEFORE this news came out.

When you try to concoct a certain image in the media..I don't think you can be upset if someone reveals news shattering that image.

They gave a pretty good explanation as for there actions by trying to protect there daughters as well as there son at the same time, so I can understand why they were being pulled in two different directions. I think this can be chalked up too, no mater how good you want to be, every family has secrets.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I believe he was 14 when the fondling happened. Which makes him a minor. Now if you had kids you probably would have done the same thing. I believe the law states its up to the parents to decide what to do. I don't think it was morally right to leek it to the media, when the problem had been addressed years ago. It would be one thing if he was doing this as an adult yes? But a 14 year old, seems the law gives the parents authority what to do.

A 14-year-old knows it is wrong to put his fingers inside the vagina a 5-year-old, which is what he did and is the age of the youngest victim.

The molestation began when he was 14, but continued until he was nearly 17.

Any other adult who had been given that information would have had a legal and moral responsibility to report it. Why should the parents be held to a lesser standard than a total stranger?

Moreover, the parents did not address the abuse whatsoever. They sent Josh to live with a family friend for a few months to help him renovate a building for his business. When he returned, they made him apologize to his sisters, and made his sisters forgive him. Then they made his sisters live in the same household with him and broadcast the entire awkward living situation on national television.

Yea if it continued past 14, that's a big deal and he had been told "no" thats a big deal. Whatever happened though, seems this would have been better left to the family and authorities rather then media.

since when are 14 year olds toddlers who dont know any better? what are we smoking up in here?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
They gave a pretty good explanation as for there actions by trying to protect there daughters as well as there son at the same time, so I can understand why they were being pulled in two different directions. I think this can be chalked up too, no mater how good you want to be, every family has secrets.

I'm talking about currently though, on their show they try to portray a certain image.

If you want to talk about protecting your daughters and your son, wouldn't the best thing be to NOT do a reality show? Now, because of this show, EVERYONE knows what this guy did.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm talking about currently though, on their show they try to portray a certain image.

If you want to talk about protecting your daughters and your son, wouldn't the best thing be to NOT do a reality show? Now, because of this show, EVERYONE knows what this guy did. Prior to this it was probably just the family.

I was aware that TLC knew about this a long time ago, and did a good job covering it up for the show.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
since when are 14 year olds toddlers who dont know any better? what are we smoking up in here?

Haha, you remember this 14 year old?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2518338/Student-Philip-Chism-14-raped-murdered-teacher-Colleen-Ritzer-pleads-guilty.html

Raped and killed his teacher by slitting her throat and dumped her body in the woods.

Kids are out of control. I blame bad parenting

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I was aware that TLC knew about this a long time ago, and did a good job covering it up for the show.

But this isn't just about TLC. Even if the network did know, the public did not. Being on the show put the info at risk of being leaked to millions of people. If they wanted to protect their kids instead of doing a reality show and informing the network what the kid did..maybe just not do one? Since obviously TLC didn't do a good enough job.

They were already under scrutiny just for the sheer fact they have so many damn kids, did they really think this wouldn't eventually come out?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yea if it continued past 14, that's a big deal and he had been told "no" thats a big deal. Whatever happened though, seems this would have been better left to the family and authorities rather then media. Maybe I'm confused, but were the parents somehow forced to televise their family?

Because it seems to me the parents are the ones who opened their disgusting antics to the media by agreeing to do the show.

Originally posted by Surtur
But this isn't just about TLC. Even if the network did know, the public did not. Being on the show put the info at risk of being leaked to millions of people. If they wanted to protect their kids instead of doing a reality show and informing the network what the kid did..maybe just not do one? Since obviously TLC didn't do a good enough job.

They were already under scrutiny just for the sheer fact they have so many damn kids, did they really think this wouldn't eventually come out?

Yea, what's even more to think about is, if they knew, did they know before or after they started the show.

And also, if they did know, why didn't they want to tell the public about it, so that there was not any skeletons.

People always like redemption stories.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe I'm confused, but were the parents somehow forced to televise their family?

Because it seems to me the parents are the ones who opened their disgusting antics to the media by agreeing to do the show.

I don't think anyone is forced but remember Jake and Kate plus 8? The people eat this stuff up.

Also wait hold on..we need to back up. Is it actually true TLC knew about this? Since I could of sworn they were condemning the actions once the news came out and also cancelled the show because of it. If they knew, it means they didn't really a give a damn and only cancelled it due to public backlash as opposed to the network having any issues with it.

I dunno, that sounds like something that could ruin the entire network.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It didn't go to court because of reasons I mentioned above, he was 14, and the law there dictates how the parents handle it. I doubt the parents had any clue the sherriff they sent him too had a sick problem of child pornography. Unless you think they willfully sent there child who was having a touching problem to a known child pornographer. Anyways I know he spoke out against LBGT community about child touching, and that makes him a hypocrite, however, everyone is hypocrites at some point in there life, and something he did at 14, is he held accountable for it for the rest of his life?

No, it did not go to court, because Jim Bob was running for public office when the first victim came forward, and he did not want it to be a matter of public record during his campaign, so he and Michelle waited until the campaign was over and three more victims came forward before they decided to act.

It did not go to court, because Jim Bob and Michelle did not report the abuse to a neutral authority. They unofficially reported it to a family friend who is in law enforcement and would not officially charge their son with a crime.

It did not go to court, because Jim Bob and Michelle misrepresented the abuse to the person to whom they reported it. They reported that Josh had touched the breasts and vagina of his sister over her clothing while she slept on one occasion. At that time, they knew he had molested four of his sisters, up to and including fondling them under their clothing and putting his fingers inside them.

It did not go to court, because when the police launched an official investigation, they refused to cooperate with authorities, hiring a lawyer, and refusing to speak to police.

Then the statute of limitations expired.

They obstructed justice from beginning to end.

I believe they knew the officer struggled with pornography, but did not necessarily know the nature of the pornography in which he was involved.

Moreover, why should he not be accountable for something he did at 14? Fourteen-year-olds can be tried as adults and sentenced to life in prison for some crimes in this country.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also wait hold on..we need to back up. Is it actually true TLC knew about this? Since I could of sworn they were condemning the actions once the news came out and also cancelled the show because of it. If they knew, it means they didn't really a give a damn and only cancelled it due to public backlash as opposed to the network having any issues with it.

I dunno, that sounds like something that could ruin the entire network.

Its been speculation, however after how many years of filming, its suspected that this came up. And if Oprah knew, TLC must have known.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, it did not go to court, because Jim Bob was running for public office when the first victim came forward, and he did not want it to be a matter of public record during his campaign, so he and Michelle waited until the campaign was over and three more victims came forward before they decided to act.

It did not go to court, because Jim Bob and Michelle did not report the abuse to a neutral authority. They unofficially reported it to a family friend who is in law enforcement and would not officially charge their son with a crime.

It did not go to court, because Jim Bob and Michelle misrepresented the abuse to the person to whom they reported it. They reported that Josh had touched the breasts and vagina of his sister over her clothing while she slept on one occasion. At that time, they knew he had molested four of his sisters, up to and including fondling them under their clothing and putting his fingers inside them.

It did not go to court, because when the police launched an official investigation, they refused to cooperate with authorities, hiring a lawyer, and refusing to speak to police.

Then the statute of limitations expired.

They obstructed justice from beginning to end.

I believe they knew the officer struggled with pornography, but did not necessarily know the nature of the pornography in which he was involved.

Moreover, why should he not be accountable for something he did at 14? Fourteen-year-olds can be tried as adults and sentenced to life in prison for some crimes in this country.

Yes 14 year olds should be, however it on a case by case basis I believe. Can you be prosecuted if the offended party refuses to press charges?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes 14 year olds should be, however it on a case by case basis I believe. Can you be prosecuted if the offended party refuses to press charges?

Yes, if it is a criminal charge it is not the victim that decides but the public interest.

It may be hard however to prosecute if the victim refuses to cooperate.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, if it is a criminal charge it is not the victim that decides but the public interest.

It may be hard however to prosecute if the victim refuses to cooperate.

Considering this is Arkansas, I find it hard to believe this would have been in the public interest. Considering the issues with the police as well.

edit: yea from what the daughters said, they didn't even know they were ever touched. The guy was a silent toucher apparently.

I wonder if he was being creepy with his sisters when the camera men were there.

"Josh we're filming, can you please stop rubbing your sisters legs and could you put a pillow over your lap or something?"

InTouch Weekly airs a story about touching

Look at this crap, there is an actual movement for pedophiles and legalizing it. How is this even allowed to exist?? It should be like the Natzi party..disallowed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

"A NAMBLA logo. The capital M and lowercase b symbolize a man and a boy."



That's just too much.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"A NAMBLA logo. The capital M and lowercase b symbolize a man and a boy."



That's just too much.

If you look up the movement there is a term called "Pederasty" its apparent sicko's in the world actually come up with names for this sick offense stuff.

So if your a male and you want a relationship with a boy, are you gay and a pedophile?

Everyone in that organization should be arrested, tried, and hung.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Then some more touching happened and they sent him to counseling.

The facility Josh Duggar attended for treatment after molesting young girls has been identified as Basic Life Principles Training Center.

The center offers faith-based healing and has come under fire by some who have attended their programs.

It was founded by Duggar family friend Bill Gothard in 1961 and has locations across the country, with Josh going to the Little Rock location.

Gothard stepped down in 2014 after over 30 young women and teenagers came forward and accused him of sexual harassment.

He was never charged for any of these offenses.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The facility Josh Duggar attended for treatment after molesting young girls has been identified as Basic Life Principles Training Center.

The center offers faith-based healing and has come under fire by some who have attended their programs.

It was founded by Duggar family friend Bill Gothard in 1961 and has locations across the country, with Josh going to the Little Rock location.

Gothard stepped down in 2014 after over 30 young women and teenagers came forward and accused him of sexual harassment.

He was never charged for any of these offenses.

I don't see your point, I get it you are really offended he attacked your community, however what does any of this prove...That the parents were complicit in sending him to places they knew had this kind of conduct?

So the whole family is breeding ground for incest..is that how your putting it?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh yea, was he supposed to kill his son?

If he truly believed that rape and incest are heinous crimes, then he should have turned his son over to the civil authorities and insisted on whatever punishment they deemed fit for his crimes in order to receive justice for his daughters.




Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah, yes, if this was a aethiest liberal family, you would not even be posting here. Much like you don't post in any of the other things that go against your agenda.

You been busted for being bias.

Then you have not been paying attention, because I responded similarly to Lena Dunham's confession that she molested her sister. Conservative or liberal, it does not matter. Unlike you, I do not have an agenda, I have convictions.

Case in point:

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I noticed you never said a word when all this came out about the Clintons

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/13/will-the-jeffrey-epstein-pedophile-case-snare-clinton/

Allegedly visiting an island that is owned by someone who may be implicated in sex trafficking no more makes one involved in sex trafficking than one visiting a church makes him a Christian.

But logic does not matter when you are desperate to smear your political opposition.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sounds exactly like Islamic beliefs, I don't see you complaining..

I do not see a widespread movement of Muslims trying to codify their religious beliefs into civil law in the United States. When that happens, I will criticize them right along with Christians and Mormons.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


What a terrible brother

Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If he truly believed that rape and incest are heinous crimes, then he should have turned his son over to the civil authorities and insisted on whatever punishment they deemed fit for his crimes in order to receive justice for his daughters.


Then you have not been paying attention, because I responded similarly to Lena Dunham's confession that she molested her sister. Conservative or liberal, it does not matter. Unlike you, I do not have an agenda, I have convictions.

Case in point:

Allegedly visiting an island that is owned by someone who may be implicated in sex trafficking no more makes one involved in sex trafficking than one visiting a church makes him a Christian.

But logic does not matter when you are desperate to smear your political opposition.

First of all it was not allegedly. He was there with the sick offense Jeffrey. Secondly you act like this is un characteristic behavior of Bill and you simply can't believe it. Did you forget about Monica and the others?

Do tell what my agenda is, I am unclear of it.

As far as the Duggar's most of what you said has been spun and is speculation. There was some things done wrong, but you making the family out to be committing incest and rampat with sexual perversion.

You bring up this "Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year."

Bill Gothard associated with the Duggar's at one time, does that make the Duggar's bad? Yet you ignore Bill's friendship with Jeffery and say "its alleged." And want to ignore those connections.

I caught you plain and simple.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sounds exactly like Islamic beliefs, I don't see you complaining..

You must be an expert on muslim communities in the West mmm

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy.

Weird, but ok? Some might find being gay weird and cringe worthy..

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy. Weird ass family. Didn't they push that whole super purity no contact at all shit too? Knowing full well the son was slipping fingers in his sisters?

Hot daughters though

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Weird ass family. Didn't they push that whole super purity no contact at all shit too? Knowing full well the son was slipping fingers in his sisters?

Hot daughters though



You make every topic here better.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Secondly you act like this is un characteristic behavior of Bill and you simply can't believe it.

I do? By all means, show me where I say anything of the sort.




Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Did you forget about Monica and the others?

What about Monica? Was she underage? Did she not consent? Was she trafficked? Where is the crime we are supposed to be outraged about here?




Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do tell what my agenda is, I am unclear of it.

You have created three anti-Clinton threads in the last seven days alone. It is fairly obvious to everyone here what your agenda is.




Originally posted by Time Immemorial
As far as the Duggar's most of what you said has been spun and is speculation. There was some things done wrong, but you making the family out to be committing incest and rampat with sexual perversion.

You bring up this "Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year."

Bill Gothard associated with the Duggar's at one time, does that make the Duggar's bad? Yet you ignore Bill's friendship with Jeffery and say "its alleged." And want to ignore those connections.

I caught you plain and simple.

Five children were victims of ongoing incestuous sexual molestation over three years. I would call that rampant incest and sexual perversion. I am sorry you think that is just "some things that were done wrong."

The Duggars did not just associate with Bill Gothard. They were his devotees and attended his Advanced Training Institute seminars. They promoted his Embassy Institute on their website as the number one resource for families. His Institute in Basic Life Principles is where they sent Josh to get counseling. He is the leader of the Quiverfull movement, which is what their entire family philosophy is built upon.

The Duggars are bad on their own. That the other leaders of the Christian patriarchy movement with which they are associated are also involved in sexual misconduct suggests that there is an endemic problem with their philosophy.

If you are so eager to catch something, try a clue.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I do? By all means, show me where I say anything of the sort.






What about Monica? Was she underage? Did she not consent? Was she trafficked? Where is the crime we are supposed to be outraged about here?






You have created three anti-Clinton threads in the last seven days alone. It is fairly obvious to everyone here what your agenda is.






Five children were victims of ongoing incestuous sexual molestation over three years. I would call that rampant incest and sexual perversion. I am sorry you think that is just "some things that were done wrong."

The Duggars did not just associate with Bill Gothard. They were his devotees and attended his Advanced Training Institute seminars. They promoted his Embassy Institute on their website as the number one resource for families. His Institute in Basic Life Principles is where they sent Josh to get counseling. He is the leader of the Quiverfull movement, which is what their entire family philosophy is built upon.

The Duggars are bad on their own. That the other leaders of the Christian patriarchy movement with which they are associated are also involved in sexual misconduct suggests that there is an endemic problem with their philosophy.

If you are so eager to catch something, try a clue.

Wow you are really obssesed with this family, did you watch them for years and have your heart broken, I mean how the fck do you know all this stuff?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wow you are really obssesed with this family, did you watch them for years and have your heart broken, I mean how the fck do you know all this stuff?

I like to be informed.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am sure they did know.

For example, Evangelical Christians do not accept the concept of sexual orientation. So one is not a homosexual, he is just someone who struggles with same-sex attraction. Same-sex sexual activity is simply sexual immorality. If one is not actively engaging in said activity, he is not a homosexual.

This is an objective and top-notch summary of Evangelical Christians. I'm surprised to read a level-headed summary, from an atheistic homosexual, on the internet.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Any other adult who had been given that information would have had a legal and moral responsibility to report it. Why should the parents be held to a lesser standard than a total stranger?

The parents should have gotten their son and daughters counseling (if necessary). But, no, not report it. He was a minor. For minors, you don't report a pathology (that was acted on) to the police: you take the kid to (a) mental health professional(s). After consulting with a mental health professional, that person can recommend you involve DHS if things are too serious and the parents do not have full control of the situation (such as DHS assisting with temporary placement and shifting around the young man to proper counselors).

DHS will most certainly not report a situation like that to the police. DHS, also, will make the call to involve police if the parents did something criminal in the situation (notice it is DHS that should determine whether or not to call the police?) The "perpetrator" is a minor. The police action that might happen would be the parents getting reported IF the parents show a history of sweeping the abuse under the rug and DHS finds out.

Source: Just asked my workout buddy, who is a Supervisor at DHS, how situations like these are supposed to be handled. On topic, he thinks the situation was handled poorly by the parents but not poorly enough for them to get into trouble.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, the parents did not address the abuse whatsoever. They sent Josh to live with a family friend for a few months to help him renovate a building for his business. When he returned, they made him apologize to his sisters, and made his sisters forgive him. Then they made his sisters live in the same household with him and broadcast the entire awkward living situation on national television.

I see 2 problems:

1. He wasn't sent to counseling.
2. The sisters were "forced" to forgive.

I see a very good reaction of the parents:
They removed the boy from the home and sent him somewhere else for a bit. That's generally an excellent way to react.

However, the "receiving" guardian needed to be informed, the young man go to counseling, and for the young man to have dutiful watchful eyes on him (meaning, don't let him be alone with children).



Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They obstructed justice from beginning to end.

That's a strong accusation that is not really supported but what took place. Unless you're using "obstruction of justice" in a general sense and not an overt legal sense? If in a general sense, yeah, their obstinance and stubbornness obstructed a proper handling of the situation. But the idea of meting justice on a minor due to his parents being idiots is not really that cool. You shouldn't exact justice on minors like this. You get them help and rehabilitate them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The facility Josh Duggar attended for treatment after molesting young girls has been identified as Basic Life Principles Training Center.

The center offers faith-based healing and has come under fire by some who have attended their programs.

It was founded by Duggar family friend Bill Gothard in 1961 and has locations across the country, with Josh going to the Little Rock location.

Gothard stepped down in 2014 after over 30 young women and teenagers came forward and accused him of sexual harassment.

He was never charged for any of these offenses.

The situation keeps getting more and more f*cked up the more details that come forward.

http://gawker.com/the-truth-about-josh-duggars-sham-cult-center-counseli-1709335574

I think KMC should have a sexual misconduct policy.

The girl talks about kissing her bro..jeez. Normally I'd think she meant..maybe a kiss on the cheek, but now you have to wonder. It also somewhat sounds like the parents make out in front of them so they can learn to kiss?

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://gawker.com/the-truth-about-josh-duggars-sham-cult-center-counseli-1709335574

Good lord..I honestly have to ask if these people have any type of publicist or anyone who handles public relations. Since I would be telling these people to STOP giving interviews, they do not help themselves at all.

This just goes to show: never trust a man with two first names.