Frenzy and Monet vs. Gamora (pre BV upgrade) and Captain Marvel.

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Blue Area Vet
Who and why?

Mike82
Captain Marvel and Gamora. Monet is the weakest link. Frenzy might be the strongest if she can one-shot She-Hulk, but Captain Marvel's team has better skills and abilities.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Mike82
Captain Marvel and Gamora. Monet is the weakest link. Frenzy might be the strongest if she can one-shot She-Hulk, but Captain Marvel's team has better skills and abilities.

Not sure why Monet is the weakest link.



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Stoic
Monet would actually be the toughest to take down. Frenzy would be fodder material, and Gamora would ***** slap her into a cold white sleep.

Mike82
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not sure why Monet is the weakest link.



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I was going off stats, and she's rated at only ten tons. Beating the pulp out of an Asgardian, creating a massive crater, she has to be way stronger than that. Never mind, I'll take back everything I said about her!

What comic is this from?

Blue Area Vet
She hasn't been a ten tonner for years. She was about class 50 before her death and became stronger afterward. When you look at her power set outside of strength and durability, which she has a ton of, this ***** is no joke. In combat she would be like a superhuman, more disciplined Mr. X and would pose problems for anyone.

Mike82
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
She hasn't been a ten tonner for years. She was about class 50 before her death and became stronger afterward. When you look at her power set outside of strength and durability, which she has a ton of, this ***** is no joke.

Strength wise, how do you think she compares to Captain Marvel and Frenzy? I just read the comic on comixology, and WOW! She absolutely destroyed her!

Stoic
I think Monet is roughly a class 50-60. She actually did become more powerful. Her entire story is in her marvel comics bio.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Stoic
I think Monet is roughly a class 50-60. She actually did become more powerful. Her entire story is in her marvel comics bio.

She's more powerful than that. Marvel even lists her as 75 tons and you know how conservative their ratings are!

Stoic
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
She's more powerful than that. Marvel even lists her as 75 tons and you know how conservative their ratings are!

Thanks for that update. I know one thing for certain, Monet is very powerful. I wish Marvel hooked Parker up with her.

Blue Area Vet
She's the real ****ing deal, but Marvel won't give her the proper push. Unique as a character.

Mike82
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
She's more powerful than that. Marvel even lists her as 75 tons and you know how conservative their ratings are!

Citation needed for that, btw. I'll take it, though. It's certainly more believable than ten tons, lol. A telepath with the physical strength of Carol Danvers? That's crazy.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Mike82
Citation needed for that, btw. I'll take it, though. It's certainly more believable than ten tons, lol. A telepath with the physical strength of Carol Danvers? That's crazy.

Not a mere telepath, either.

Stoic
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not a mere telepath, either.

Yep, she has crazy durability. I think Monet could win this for her team.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
She's the real ****ing deal, but Marvel won't give her the proper push. Unique as a character.

That's why I said that I wish that Marvel made a romantic connection between her, and Spider Man. It would certainly give her the boost to break into mainstream. Also, Parker wouldn't have to worry so much about his wife being waylaid by his enemies. If I was Petey, I'd be all over her.

Blue Area Vet
The problem with that is that they would dumb down her powers as to not upstage him. You know the drill.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Mike82
I was going off stats, and she's rated at only ten tons. Beating the pulp out of an Asgardian, creating a massive crater, she has to be way stronger than that. Never mind, I'll take back everything I said about her!

What comic is this from?
Ok, I hate to crash the party, because I really like Monet too, but that scan is wildly out of context. That was a surprise dive bomb from Monet, who was basically in the stratosphere beforehand. Here are the previous two scans.

http://s13.postimg.org/6i510znsz/Monet_Surprise_Attack.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/kfn76alvn/Monet_Surprise_Attack2.jpg


The entire reason Monet did that is because Amora casually overpowered and choked her out earlier in that same story arc. Currently, Amora would kill Monet in a straight fight.

http://s13.postimg.org/fyuu7m7nn/Amora_Choke_Out.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/qo8izvjgj/Amora_Choke_Out2.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/w27b7f96r/Amora_Choke_Out3.jpg

Monet admits to getting her shit rocked in the next issue.

http://s13.postimg.org/x5rfjdttv/Amora_Choke_Out4.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/9mfoxs4lf/Amora_Choke_Out5.jpg

juggernaut74
Monet fought She-Hulk but don't recall how she did, I know Frenzy did really good against She-Hulk. How strong is Frenzy?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, I hate to crash the party, because I really like Monet too, but that scan is wildly out of context. That was a surprise dive bomb from Monet, who was basically in the stratosphere beforehand. Here are the previous two scans.

The entire reason Monet did that is because Amora casually overpowered and choked her out earlier in that same story arc. Currently, Amora would kill Monet in a straight fight.


Monet admits to getting her shit rocked in the next issue.

Don't be sorry. It's good that we have users like you to clarify things thumb up

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Don't be sorry. It's good that we have users like you to clarify things thumb up
Thanks. I feel guilty shitting on Monet like that, but she was being overhyped a bit there. I'll toss in a speed feat she got from that same story. She flew from Budapest to Dubai in five minutes.

http://s14.postimg.org/5yjg1zdr1/Monet_Trip.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/p4wn55u8t/Monet_Trip2.jpg

The same event from a different perspective put her around Mach 3.
http://s14.postimg.org/liqtsinvh/Monet_Trip3.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/bwx9c7wpp/Monet_Trip4.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/tffwehopp/Monet_Trip5.jpg

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, I hate to crash the party, because I really like Monet too, but that scan is wildly out of context. That was a surprise dive bomb from Monet, who was basically in the stratosphere beforehand. Here are the previous two scans.

http://s13.postimg.org/6i510znsz/Monet_Surprise_Attack.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/kfn76alvn/Monet_Surprise_Attack2.jpg


The entire reason Monet did that is because Amora casually overpowered and choked her out earlier in that same story arc. Currently, Amora would kill Monet in a straight fight.

http://s13.postimg.org/fyuu7m7nn/Amora_Choke_Out.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/qo8izvjgj/Amora_Choke_Out2.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/w27b7f96r/Amora_Choke_Out3.jpg

Monet admits to getting her shit rocked in the next issue.

http://s13.postimg.org/x5rfjdttv/Amora_Choke_Out4.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/9mfoxs4lf/Amora_Choke_Out5.jpg

Terrible post. Why didn't you just post a picture of you shitting on a picture of Monet while you're at it?

Glorificus
Carol has been susceptible to TP in the past.

Granted that was Emma Frost and not Monet, but I think Monet is good enough to at least manipulate and confuse Carol to the detriment of Gamora.

So long as Frenzy can occupy Gamora long enough for the mind-rape, then it's three on one.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Terrible post. Why didn't you just post a picture of you shitting on a picture of Monet while you're at it?
That was going to be my next post.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Carol has been susceptible to TP in the past.

Granted that was Emma Frost and not Monet, but I think Monet is good enough to at least manipulate and confuse Carol to the detriment of Gamora.

So long as Frenzy can occupy Gamora long enough for the mind-rape, then it's three on one.
I can't put faith in Monet's telepathy. She's pretty low level, even considering her opponents here. She seems to require concentration(physical contact in some cases) for anything deeper than simple communication, and I honestly don't remember her ever using it offensively during battle. These days especially, she's the team's resident brawler.

I see this being a fist fight, with energy blasts from Carol.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Glorificus
Carol has been susceptible to TP in the past.

Granted that was Emma Frost and not Monet, but I think Monet is good enough to at least manipulate and confuse Carol to the detriment of Gamora.

So long as Frenzy can occupy Gamora long enough for the mind-rape, then it's three on one.

She won't be able to mind rape during a fight, she's fairly low level. But I agree with your first statement, it's enough confuse Carol.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
Thanks. I feel guilty shitting on Monet like that, but she was being overhyped a bit there. I'll toss in a speed feat she got from that same story. She flew from Budapest to Dubai in five minutes.

http://s14.postimg.org/5yjg1zdr1/Monet_Trip.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/p4wn55u8t/Monet_Trip2.jpg

The same event from a different perspective put her around Mach 3.
http://s14.postimg.org/liqtsinvh/Monet_Trip3.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/bwx9c7wpp/Monet_Trip4.jpg-http://s14.postimg.org/tffwehopp/Monet_Trip5.jpg

Oh please, you are talking about context? She clearly said she is not used to going up against MAGIC USERS in that last pick. You translated that into "I admit I got my shit rocked." Nice.

StyleTime
What magic is involved in being choked out?

iceman24567
Originally posted by StyleTime
What magic is involved in being choked out? I know right laughing

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
What magic is involved in being choked out?

Ask David Carradine.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
What magic is involved in being choked out?

In that specific act? Probably none. I said probably because you failed to post the scan for proper "context." But even so, it doesn't negate Monet's words. She's gone up against opponents physically stronger than Enchantress with success.

DarkSaint85
So the fight with Enchantress is simultaneously a high showing for Monet, and a low showing?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So the fight with Enchantress is simultaneously a high showing for Monet, and a low showing?

Who are you talking to?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by iceman24567
I know right laughing

Do you see a choke out on your computer screen?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Who are you talking to?

Am voicing it publicly out to others in a public forum - you too can answer it if you wish!

iceman24567
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So the fight with Enchantress is simultaneously a high showing for Monet, and a low showing? Monet was actually focused on another opponent when Amora sneak choked her

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am voicing it publicly out to others in a public forum - you too can answer it if you wish!

You didn't voice an opinion, you asked a question. I asked who it was posed to. If that includes me, then I would say the person who made the claim and posed scans for "context" should also post scans to show the context of their first encounter.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You didn't voice an opinion, you asked a question. I asked who it was posed to. If that includes me, then I would say the person who made the claim and posed scans for "context" should also post scans to show the context of their first encounter.

Never said I was voicing an opinion - why the hostility? I can voice a question as well, after all! It is perfectly cromulent to do so!

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said I was voicing an opinion - why the hostility? I can voice a question as well, after all! It is perfectly cromulent to do so!

I am simply asking who your QUESTION was posed to and I am not being the least bit hostile. You on the other hand are yelling.

By they way, you are clearly suggesting a contradiction, that being both a high and low showing for Monet and you are asking if others agree with that. That's expressing an opinion.

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ask David Carradine.
laughing out loud
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
In that specific act? Probably none. I said probably because you failed to post the scan for proper "context." But even so, it doesn't negate Monet's words. She's gone up against opponents physically stronger than Enchantress with success.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Do you see a choke out on your computer screen?
Ok, time out from the topic. If I'm reading this correct, you can't see the scans of the actual choke out?

Are the links I posted working? My first post in the thread should have the scans. It's the second set of images in that post. Everyone can see them right?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I am simply asking who your QUESTION was posed to and I am not being the least bit hostile. You on the other hand are yelling.

I can pose an open question on a public forum to as many people as I wish, or focus it on one person. If I do not name people in the question, and don't quote people, why, you could assume that it was public! Don't be shy, you too can answer it.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StyleTime
laughing out loud


Ok, time out from the topic. If I'm reading this correct, you can't see the scans of the actual choke out?

Are the links I posted working? My first post in the thread should have the scans. It's the second set of images in that post. Everyone can see them right?

All I can see is your hate for Monet.

StyleTime
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All I can see is your hate for Monet.
I like her. I hate all of you! mad

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
I like her. I hate all of you! mad

I see them now. Let me ask you a question. If you were fighting at least two people and one of them mananged to get you in a choke bar while engaged with another, is that your idea of a loss to one of them?

Also, she still made the statement about going up against a magic wielder, which implies magic was used at some point. If not, the statement makes no sense whatsoever. The author didn't feel it necessary to show the entire confrontation.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I see them now. Let me ask you a question. If you were fighting at least two people and one of them mananged to get you in a choke bar while engaged with another, is that your idea of a loss to one of them?

Also, she still made the statement about going up against a magic wielder, which implies magic was used at some point. If not, the statement makes no sense whatsoever. The author didn't feel it necessary to show the entire confrontation.
Let me elaborate on how I see it.

The choke was by surprise, but it indicates a strength discrepancy. Since Monet is limited to melee, these days especially, I think it shows that Amora would wreck her. That seems like it was the intent behind that and Monet resorting to a surprise dive bomb later.

The author did show the entire confrontation though. Amora never used a spell on Monet. If magic was supposed to be Amora's saving grace, they did a terrible job of demonstrating that. It is also possible Monet's pride is causing her to make excuses for her loss. That also fits with the the fact that Amora brags about her strength advantage. Monet might just be a sore loser here.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
Let me elaborate on how I see it.

The choke was by surprise, but it is a clear indicator of a strength discrepancy. Since Monet is limited to melee, these days especially, I think it shows that Amora would wreck her. That seems like it was the intent behind that, and Monet resorting to a surprise dive bomb later.



The author did show the entire confrontation though. Amora never used a spell on Monet. If magic was supposed to be Amora's saving grace, they did a terrible job of demonstrating that. It is also possible Monet's pride is causing her to make excuses for her loss.

No, he didn't. How can you say that? That was snapshots of the fight at best, which again involved at least another, if not ther rest of the ladies in the room. You see her diving down with Amora, then all of a sudden Amora is up standing in the shadows while Monet continues to fight another opponent. And again, why does she mention she needs to be better going up against a magic wielder? This is a lady with a 196 IQ making this statement. I believe magic was used, if not simply to teleport. And I think it was depicted terribly if the purpose was to show exactly how the fight went down, but I don't think it was. This fight was part of a was a story.



By the way, how are you ignoring the FACT that Monet severely injured Amora, didn't injure herself and said inches from her face that she was holding back, then Amora calls her a goddess? That all for show?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, he didn't. How can you say that? That was snapshots of the fight at best, which again involved at least another, if not ther rest of the ladies in the room. You see her diving down with Amora, then all of a sudden Amora is up standing in the shadows while Monet continues to fight another opponent. And again, why does she mention she needs to be better going up against a magic wielder? This is a lady with a 196 IQ making this statement. I believe magic was used, if not simply to teleport. And I think it was depicted terribly if the purpose was to show exactly how the fight went down, but I don't think it was. This fight was part of a was a story.

By the way, how are you ignoring the FACT that Monet severaly injured Amora, didn't injure herself and said inches from her fact that she was holding back, then Amora calls her a goddess? That all for show?
I say that because comics don't depict every breath inhaled for a character. Monet and Amora rolled in from the crash landing while Yuriko ran at them. By the time Yuriko got there, they were back to their feet. Monet dodged Yuriko's sword, then Amora choked Monet to death. That is what the panels indicate. We can't make assumptions about spells casted.

I didn't. I pointed out that it was a surprise dive bomb from the sky, since many were taking it to mean that she just beat Amora up. Amora already demonstrated a strength superiority, so I don't blame her for that move.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
I say that because comics don't depict every breath inhaled for a character. Monet and Amora rolled in from the crash landing while Yuriko ran at them. By the time Yuriko got there, they were back to their feet. Monet dodged Yuriko's sword, then Amora choked Monet to death. That is what the panels indicate. We can't make assumptions about spells casted.

I didn't. I pointed out that it was a surprise dive bomb from the sky, since many were taking it to mean that she just beat Amora up. Amora already demonstrated a strength superiority, so I don't blame her for that move.

No, she didn't demonstrate anything but a sneak attack. A weaker opponent can choke out a stronger one. Plus is stupid for Amora to beat any opponent with a choke bar. The writing is shit.

Also, you didn't address how is Amora is the stronger character, how Monet was unharmed from the dive bomb and Amora was ****ed up. Even when Sentry divebombed Blue Marvel, he was hurt in the process. And you haven't given a counter to Monet's claim that she was holding back and threaten to **** up Amora worse if she twitches.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, she didn't demonstrate anything but a sneak attack. A weaker opponent can choke out a stronger one. Plus is stupid for Amora to beat any opponent with a choke bar. The writing is shit.

Also, you didn't address how is Amora is the stronger character, how Monet was unharmed from the dive bomb and Amora was ****ed up. Even when Sentry divebombed Blue Marvel, he was hurt in the process. And you haven't given a counter to Monet's claim that she was holding back and threaten to **** up Amora worse if she twitches.
I did address her strength advantage, which is supported by the dialogue. Amora isn't some crazy skilled martial artist. That was her just being stronger, as she said. It is a little out of character for her I agree. I remember her telling She-Hulk that touching lower creatures disgusted her a long time ago.

Monet dive bombed her. It's understandable that Amora took more damage in the process. That was enough to **** Amora up where she couldn't fight back. I don't see what the problem is.

Magnon
It was obviously a Spell of Choking. Amora just tried to make it look like she did it physically but she couldn't fool Monet.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
I did address her strength advantage, which is supported by the dialogue. Amora isn't some crazy skilled martial artist. That was her just being stronger, as she said.

Monet dive bombed her. It's understandable that Amora took more damage in the process. That was enough to **** Amora up where she couldn't fight back. I don't see what the problem is.

How do you explain the fact that Monet said she was holding back? It seems you are accepting the parts of the dialogue you want to and rejecting the ones you don't. By the way, Amora didn't take "more" damage, she took all of the damage. Monet was completely unharmed and could have killed her at that point.

At best the depiction was contradictory.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Magnon
It was obviously a Spell of Choking. Amora just tried to make it look like she did it physically but she couldn't fool Monet.
laughing out loud
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How do you explain the fact that Monet said she was holding back? It seems you are accepting the parts of the dialogue you want to and rejecting the ones you don't. By the way, Amora didn't take "more" damage, she took all of the damage. Monet was completely unharmed and could have killed her at that point.

At best the depiction was contradictory.
We should really just make an Amora vs Monet thread lol.

No, I accept that she held back during the dive bomb. I just think the attack was much more amped than you think it was. Like, she was coming in at 300% and dialed it back to 200%. Either way, she can only do that via surprise dive bomb. Monet's offensive output is much lower in a straight fight, and Amora is capable of overpowering her.

I don't see the contradiction. Amora can be stronger and still lose to a Stratosphere Dive Attack.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by StyleTime
laughing out loud

We should really just make an Amora vs Monet thread lol.

No, I accept that she held back during the dive bomb. I just think the attack was much more amped than you think it was. Like, she was coming in at 300% and dialed it back to 200%. Either way, she can only do that via surprise dive bomb. Monet's offensive output is much lower in a straight fight, and Amora is capable of overpowering her.

I don't see the contradiction. Amora can be stronger and still lose to a Stratosphere Dive Attack.


Lol, that's creative. So your interpretation of her statement that she was holding back meant that she meant she could have flown faster? That sounds utterly ridiculous my friend. Any time anyone says they are holding back it's the author indicating one character was powerful enough to merc the other.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lol, that's creative. So your interpretation of her statement that she was holding back meant that she meant she could have flown faster? That sounds utterly ridiculous my friend. Any time anyone says they are holding back it's the author indicating one character was powerful enough to merc the other.
It matches up perfectly with what we saw. Monet, unambiguously, got overpowered in their first encounter. She even admits to her incapability of going toe-to-toe with Amora. Literally, both of their words support that, as well as the fight itself.

She comes in with a suprise dive bomb days later and wins. What exactly is the problem again?

abhilegend
BAV is just terrible at this.

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