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The team to be challanged consists of: FotJ Luke, DE Sidious and Prime Yoda.

What strike team can take this team?

To make it interesting no inclusion of the Ones, Celestial beings, Spirits etc. If you include Caedus then you cannot include Plagueis and vice versa. The rest is up to your preference.

The strike team members must all be in their physical forms.

The strike team can have up to 4 members.


The setting is neutral with no amp or prep time.


Any ideas?

Mortis!Anakin.
Darth Nihilus.
Gethzerion.
Vitiate.

LOL good team, but I kinda hoped it goes without saying that Mortis!Anakin is off the table since he can beat the Ones like the Son and the Daughter.... C'mon man.

So no Mortis!Anakin who is basically > The Ones.

@ Ancient who would you chose instead coz I think your team has a chance.

Uh....strongest people left in the universe are Ziost-Vitiate, Caedus, Plagueis, and I dunno, Revan maybe?

And they aren't gonna be enough.

Thus, 'no such team found.'

I think Talzin is worth considering for a team.

Vitiate
Talzin
Caedus
Krayt

I don't think any Ankain anywhere unless you say Anakin once he has reached his full potential is going to cut it as he never reached his full potential.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think Talzin is worth considering for a team.
Yeah, I think Ancient's team minus Mortis Anakin and Talzin have a shot.

So Talzin, Geth, Viti and Nihilus.

Hmmm. I'm not convinced Nihilus has the chops to drain the best of the best of the best sir.

So I'll revise to Ziost Vitiate, Caedus, Plagueis, Talzin.

Still don't think it's enough though.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Uh....strongest people left in the universe are Ziost-Vitiate, Caedus, Plagueis, and I dunno, Revan maybe?

And they aren't gonna be enough.

Thus, 'no such team found.'
No Ziost Vitiate - only his peak physical incarnation.

Plagueis and Caedus cannot be together on a team.

Read the OP dammit

I would also suggest certain characters, but from experience I know that would lead to a page and a half of merciless trolling.

Between Plagueis and Caedus, it's worth remembering that Plagueis is in the unique position of being more familiar with Sidious than possibly anyone else ever was.

I'm also gonna name drop Sarasu Taalon (post Pool of Knowledge), he's TKed and lightninged Luke before, and having a guy who can read everyone's minds in a way that can't be defended against might be a pivotal asset.

Vitiate
Nihlus
Talzin
Caedus

1 Ysalamiri.
1 Zillobeast
Jar Jar Binks
Man i dunno Proxy?

1 Ysalamiri wouldn't cover a wide enough area, but I applaud your thinking.

Ok 2 Ysalamiri. **** Proxy.

Jar Jar could hold off Sidious on his own with his plot armor.

Jar Jar could solo the Ones while on an acid trip with no limbs.

Jar Jar's only job is to throw the Ysalamiri at them then get stepped on.

Didn't Luke train to overcome the Ysalmiri? or is Wookieepedia just being retarded again?

Originally posted by Nephthys
1 Ysalamiri.
1 Zillobeast
Jar Jar Binks
Man i dunno Proxy?
Jar Jar brings too much fail to this team. Shame on you for using the personification of all that is wrong with Star Wars. Shame.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Didn't Luke train to overcome the Ysalmiri? or is Wookieepedia just being retarded again?

Oh shit the one flaw in my plan goddammit.

Well... you still got Jar Jar

watch?v=LGjndtth3RA

Originally posted by AncientPower
Darth Caedus.
Darth Nihilus.
Gethzerion.
Vitiate.

Why Geth over Talzin?

More impressive.

Maybe. I made a vs. thread for that and Talzin's winning so far.

I used to think Geth was more impressive, but a run-through of their feats suggests otherwise.

Lord Vitiate, Lord Kaan, Gethzerion, Darth Plagueis might be able to handle it.

What would Kaan do lmao?

Originally posted by carthage
What would Kaan do lmao?
Die.

BM, I guess.

Originally posted by carthage
What would Kaan do lmao?

Sith Battle Meditation, yeah. Jedi Battle Meditation would not work. Caedus is probably better at it than he is, but the rules say no Caedus if there is a Plagueis so...

I don't think that'll help much. Not only is Sidious just plain better at Sith BM, Luke and Yoda are going to be able to do the jedi version and battle meld besides, seeing as Yoda is still Luke's master. Any BM the challenger team uses is going to be them desperately trying to keep up.

Also, a team that includes no Jedi is vulnerable to Force Storms, because only the light side can block 'em.

Newguy got banned?

Sidious won't be able to BM, he'd be fighting.

Originally posted by Trocity
Newguy got banned?
it seems so...

Originally posted by Trocity
Newguy got banned? For 7 days for encouraging trolling I guess

Depends on who the BM guy for the challengers are. Anyone who can't hold their own will get speed blitzed by any of the champion team.

If Sidious has time to get a Force Storm going, and can maintain Battle Meditation while fighting Luke in ROTJ, he can multitask pretty well.

Sidious wasn't using BM in RotJ though?

He certainly was. He was managing the entire Imperial Fleet from the second death star. They basically fell apart when he died, making them easy pickings for the rebels.

He wasn't, there was another guy using BM in that battle: Nial Declann

There were quotes in the Thrawn trilogy that states he was using the force to support his forces during the Battle of Endor.

I'm looking for them now.

Thrawn Trilogy predates the creation of Nial Declann.

Also Thrawn could just be wrong and not know that Declann was doing it for Palpatine.

pg 21. The Last Command.

There are a few others in Heir to the Empire where he makes more direct mentions, DMB quoted one of them but I think there are like two more.

There seem to be more quotes in favor of Sidious then there are in favor of some guy they made up one day cause they thought Sidious was OP.

Some guy for a video game lol

Originally posted by Angelalex242
There seem to be more quotes in favor of Sidious then there are in favor of some guy they made up one day cause they thought Sidious was OP.

Not really. Sidious had BM, sure, but he wasn't using it at Endor. Thrawns opinion doesn't trump facts.

Not sure why this even matters. There's a huge difference between using BM while actively engaged in combat and using BM when sitting on a throne monologueing, walking laughing, or electrocuting Luke with not full power force lightning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. Sidious had BM, sure, but he wasn't using it at Endor. Thrawns opinion doesn't trump facts.


So you have no proof that he wasn't using it and think your opinion trumps canon. Ok makes sense

If Sidious was a TOR character, he would have been BMing the shit out of the Battle of Endor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He wasn't, there was another guy using BM in that battle: Nial Declann

As he had maintained all along, Shimrra's death, recently reported by Kenth Hamner, had had no discernable effect on the enemy commanders or pilots. At the climactic battle of the Galactic Civil War, Imperial forces appeared to have been thrown into disarray by the death of Emperor Palpatine. But Shimrra was scarcely a Sith Master, capable of using his powers of battle meditation to invigorate his troops.

--The Unifying Force

I'm not sure if Declann was made after TUF or not, but there's another Palps BM quote I found.

I know Palps has BM. He wasn't using it at Endor though. Palps death threw the forces into disarray becuase Declann freaked out at that point.

Proof?