Blade vs. Markus
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Khazra Reborn
Inspired by the other team thread.
Blade is going big game hunting!
After Markus's first encounter with Michael and Selene, Markus wakes up from his slumber, eats that cow and then Blade shows up ready to tango.
Blade has his Blade 2 gear. Markus is unarmed.
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Surtur
I suppose it depends on how much you want to apply ABC logic. Deacon Frost could bullet time due to being a vamp and Blade didn't seem *weaker* then Frost prior to his Blood God status. But Blade himself doesn't really seem to ever show bullet timing, but if we granted it to him he'd be quicker.
Marcus is physically more powerful and also immune to silver and sunlight. So it's going to be impossible for Blade to prevent him from getting up close.
Time Immemorial
Markus shit stomps that puss, literally.
Kotor3
I go with Blade. All of Blade foes have been more powerful than him. So Marcus being more powerful is nothing new for Blade. Blade wins due to superior skill and weapons.
Drake, Nomak, and Frost, all have immunities that Marcus has and more. Marcus is even getting chopped up by Blades sword or exploding due to the weapons that Blade's has such as the ones he used on Frost and Drake.
Surtur
Originally posted by Kotor3
I go with Blade. All of Blade foes have been more powerful than him. So Marcus being more powerful is nothing new for Blade. Blade wins due to superior skill and weapons.
Yes and frankly Blade got lucky to win in the first two movies and outright lost in the final one.
Nomak wasn't immune to sunlight. We saw no indication Blood God Frost was. I'm guessing he probably would of been, but we have no proof.
Then there is Drake who was immune to silver and sunlight..just like Marcus. Remember how that fight ended? Drake beat Blade down and was killed by some vamp virus. The virus used on Drake wasn't Blades, he doesn't carry it around.
Likewise, we don't even have any evidence the virus would work on vampires from other works of fiction. Just like Blade using his serum to defeat Frost, we have no reason to assume this would do anything to Marcus, because why? Hell for all we know for some reason Frost becoming the Blood God made him highly allergic to the serum, whereas maybe normally he might not of been killed by so much serum.
All we know is that the person in Blade closest to Marcus outright beat the shit out of Blade.
juggerman
Originally posted by Surtur
Yes and frankly Blade got lucky to win in the first two movies and outright lost in the final one.
Nomak wasn't immune to sunlight. We saw no indication Blood God Frost was. I'm guessing he probably would of been, but we have no proof.
Then there is Drake who was immune to silver and sunlight..just like Marcus. Remember how that fight ended? Drake beat Blade down and was killed by some vamp virus. The virus used on Drake wasn't Blades, he doesn't carry it around.
Likewise, we don't even have any evidence the virus would work on vampires from other works of fiction. Just like Blade using his serum to defeat Frost, we have no reason to assume this would do anything to Marcus, because why? Hell for all we know for some reason Frost becoming the Blood God made him highly allergic to the serum, whereas maybe normally he might not of been killed by so much serum.
All we know is that the person in Blade closest to Marcus outright beat the shit out of Blade.
It wasn't serum that killed Frost and yes it would have killed him without being the blood god since Blade used it to kill several vamps prior to using it on Frost.
Either was Marcus wins. Blade's skill and weapons allow him to put up a good fight but in the end he shouldn't beat Marcus
Surtur
Wait so what killed him? Since I remember he gets a bunch of serum stabbed into him and then he explodes.
EDIT: Okay, I remember now. It was some kind of altered serum meant to kill vamps.
Khazra Reborn
Vamps in Blade are very different from those in Underworld. First and foremost, UW vamps have no aversion to silver, that's exclusively a Lycan thing.
Secondly, Vampires in the Blade U have a basis in science. I haven't seen the original Blade in forever, but IIRC, EDTA was a simple anti-coagulant that messed with some protein in vamp blood which resulted in the volatile reaction.
UW vamps are supernatural, and as far as I know, the extra protein or whatever is exclusive to the Blade U, so I see no reason to assume that EDTA would do anything to Markus, other than make him bleed slightly more.
Khazra Reborn
Ok, I'll play devils advocate and go with you on UW vamps being based in science. It still doesn't change the fact that the reason EDTA works is unique to the Blade U. The protein that causes the volatile reaction when EDTA is introduced doesn't exist. There's no reason to assume that something made up for the Blade movies would exist in a completely unrealated universe.
Logically, if you shot Markus up with an anticoagulant it would simply make him bleed more for a brief period of time.
Kotor3
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Ok, I'll play devils advocate and go with you on UW vamps being based in science. It still doesn't change the fact that the reason EDTA works is unique to the Blade U. The protein that causes the volatile reaction when EDTA is introduced doesn't exist. There's no reason to assume that something made up for the Blade movies would exist in a completely unrealated universe.
Logically, if you shot Markus up with an anticoagulant it would simply make him bleed more for a brief period of time. I was looking up some info on Blade U and UW U. Both vamps are made from a virus. So both are in the science area more than the supernatural.
As for the EDTA blood thinner, perhaps I am missing something. What protein are you referring to? To my knowledge all we know is that Vamps blood have a violent reaction to the EDTA. I do not recall it being explained as to why.
Khazra Reborn
It might not have been a protein, but there was some specific property in Vampire blood that resulted in a volatile reaction. That doctor lady was explaining it to Whistler when she was trying to create a cure for vampirism. But, essentially it was a created plot device, and there's no reason to assume it would apply to Markus.
Kotor3
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
It might not have been a protein, but there was some specific property in Vampire blood that resulted in a volatile reaction. That doctor lady was explaining it to Whistler when she was trying to create a cure for vampirism. But, essentially it was a created plot device, and there's no reason to assume it would apply to Markus. I tried to find a quote or scene where it is stated that a specific property or something would differ from UW and I was not able to find it.
I do not recall an explanation as to why the EDTA was so dangerous to the Vamps in Blade. Either way we can't be 100% sure that it would work on Marcus because he is Hybrid.
As for it working on Vamps in UW I see no reason as to why it wouldn't. Both vamps in Blade and UW U are made from a virus. They have the same abilities and characteristics. Since EDTA is a blood thinner I do not see how it wouldn't have an effect on Vamps.
Darkstorm Zero
Originally posted by Kotor3
I tried to find a quote or scene where it is stated that a specific property or something would differ from UW and I was not able to find it.
I do not recall an explanation as to why the EDTA was so dangerous to the Vamps in Blade. Either way we can't be 100% sure that it would work on Marcus because he is Hybrid.
As for it working on Vamps in UW I see no reason as to why it wouldn't. Both vamps in Blade and UW U are made from a virus. They have the same abilities and characteristics. Since EDTA is a blood thinner I do not see how it wouldn't have an effect on Vamps.
You are drawing parallels where there is none for the most part. The virus in Underworld is not be the same virus in Blade. Why would it be? Many viruses IRL produce similar symptoms as other viruses. Example, the difference between colds and flus. The same medication may not work for one as it does the other.
The origins for the Vampirism in Blade is vastly different than that of the one in Underworld. And there has already been established that mysticism exists in Blade (The whole La Magra Blood God thing), and on top of this, the weaknesses of Blade Vampires are more numerous. Silver Nitrate, Garlic, UV Radiation, all are part of Bladeverse Vampire weaknesses, whereas only one of these affects UW Vampires. It would not be prudent at all to say the EDTA Anti Coagulant would be effective against UW Vampires without some solid evidence to back it up.
Khazra Reborn
@Kotor3
Actually, it is explained how EDTA exactly works, I've tried telling you this but I can't remember the whole scene, I haven't seen Blade for a while. If I can be arsed to watch it soon I'll come back and explain.
Mindset
EDTA binds calcium which stops coagulation.
Kotor3
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
@Kotor3
Actually, it is explained how EDTA exactly works, I've tried telling you this but I can't remember the whole scene, I haven't seen Blade for a while. If I can be arsed to watch it soon I'll come back and explain. I didn't want to watch the whole movie so I tried to find the scene but couldn't nor could I find a quote which is why I ask for a scene or quote.
Kotor3
Originally posted by Mindset
EDTA binds calcium which stops coagulation. That in itself would effect vamps but I wanted to find the quote or scene if it exist where it explains why the reaction would be violent when contacted with Vampire blood.
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