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Released on my birthday. Yay.

Edit: Wait, who are those dudes in the promotional images?

Umm, is this for real... or a joke? Source tbh.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Released on my birthday. Yay.

Edit: Wait, who are those dudes in the promotional images? Galen Marek's children

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Umm, is this for real... or a joke? Source tbh.
Nah, for reals. BioWare took the post down shortly after it was leaked.
Evidence: https://i.imgur.com/IKXHx2d.png

:mmm: I shall postpone my response until tommorow.

So there is an even better bigger Empire with an even stronger and more menacing Emperor?

Bioware never change.

Although, I will admit I'm glad to see they are going full hog. If it's not canon anymore might as well have some fun with it.

Valkorion might end up being (or possessed by) Vitiate, tbh.
What is more interesting is the fall of the Sith Empire and Jedi.

No, that's not interesting.

Originally posted by ares834
So there is an even better bigger Empire with an even stronger and more menacing Emperor?

Bioware never change.

Although, I will admit I'm glad to see they are going full hog. If it's not canon anymore might as well have some fun with it.

This can't be real. I can't believe this. It's gotta be fake.



Also shouldn't Nico Okarr be like 80 years old or something?

https://archive.is/iGG6f and http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.swtor.com/Fallen-Empire&strip=1

lmfao, it's not fake Neph. Google Cache even saved the information too. ^

Don't care. Those can also be faked for all I know. I'll wait until the actual reveal for it to be confirmed as true. It's too stupid.

LAWL. You said that about Shadow of Revan too.

The cinematic trailer for it is coming out in two days, btw.

It's possible the "Immortal Emperor" is not even Force-sensitive at all, tbh. mmm
I wonder how powerful the pair of Galen Marek twins seen in the pictures will be.

They'll be stronger than god because Bioware doesn't know how to write anything without making it the besterest thing ever.

Wait... is the Outlander a new class?

I picture "The Dark Prince" as a drag queen.

What in the blue hell?

The entire franchise became a disappointment for KOTOR fans when it was turned into an MMO, then it became a disappointment for MMO fans when it came out, then it turned into a bigger failure with SoR and now this?

Deal with it, Sinious.

Originally posted by Sinious
The entire franchise became a disappointment for KOTOR fans when it was turned into an MMO, then it became a disappointment for MMO fans when it came out, then it turned into a bigger failure with SoR and now this?
NB4 Valkorion is actually half of Vitiate's soul that ran off with his true body, and that's why Vitiate is stuck in spirit form, reducing Vitiate's character to Gollum.

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Behold swtards, a monument to your sins.

People disliked SOR that much? Really?

For good reason. Revan splitting into two? That the sorta fan fiction a ten year old comes up with. Absolutely terrible. But really, it's par for the course for SWTOR which has pretty much been nothing but bad writing.

Originally posted by ares834
For good reason. Revan splitting into two? That the sorta fan fiction a ten year old comes up with. Absolutely terrible. But really, it's par for the course for SWTOR which has pretty much been nothing but bad writing.

Star Wars is full of themes of duality. I'm not saying it was executed well, but I don't think it was executed that badly either. And it's not like Revan has ever been some wonderfully deeply written character either.

Eh, disagree, at least where Class stories come in. Those are mostly good writing imo.

It was a character's spirit literally splitting in two. It wasn't merely executed bad it was an absolutely garbage idea.

Originally posted by ares834
It was a character's spirit literally splitting in two. It wasn't merely executed bad it was an absolutely garbage idea.

I played SOR; I saw what happened. Not being snippy, just saying I saw it too.

I don't agree it was a garbage idea, especially seeing as they haven't elaborated fully on it yet. I think it's too early to judge, even as a concept.

I imagine it was the climax of his dual personalities story that he has had since the Council programmed his mind, still a terrible idea though.

And I'm saying there is simply no way writing like this can be justified. None.

And this new expansion looks just as bad. Although, I will admit, I'm glad to see them being creative. Shame they weren't when they first made SWTOR.

Originally posted by ares834
And I'm saying there is simply no way writing like this can be justified. None.

And this new expansion looks just as bad. Although, I will admit, I'm glad to see them being creative. Shame they weren't when they first made SWTOR.

That's making the assumption that it's bad writing. You think it is, I don't think it is, so we're sort of stuck on that.

I think we really need more details before we judge it too harshly. I personally would have preferred some content post 60 that was actually concerning the republic and empire actually fighting each other, but if they do this well, then I'll be fine with it. Even the unlikely but oft-rumoured cross-faction play, if that comes to fruition, might be interesting.

Bioware's SWTOR has the creativity of an American remake, almost all of their ideas can be sourced to something else in Star Wars lore.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's making the assumption that it's bad writing. You think it is, I don't think it is, so we're sort of stuck on that.

I think we really need more details before we judge it too harshly. I personally would have preferred some content post 60 that was actually concerning the republic and empire actually fighting each other, but if they do this well, then I'll be fine with it. Even the unlikely but oft-rumoured cross-faction play, if that comes to fruition, might be interesting.

It's not an assumption it's an opinion.

Originally posted by ares834
It's not an assumption it's an opinion.

shrug Fair enough.

@Ares

You're exaggerating a little bit. Some of the class stories were pretty decent and keep in mind that these are MMO stories not movie/novel stories. The fact that they spent so much time on storyline is appreciable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, disagree, at least where Class stories come in. Those are mostly good writing imo.



The base game of Swtor was mostly good imo.

I'm still wondering how the writing team ran out of material so fast, they had to introduce a 3rd faction that defeats both the sith and jedi.

God this is actually for real isn't it...

So I'm guessing this is BioWare's way of giving a canon end to the Great Galactic War?

WTF is the Eternal Throne?!

And does this mean SWTOR 1.0 is finished?

The funny thing is, this sounds somewhat similar to the crazy ass stuff that appeared on Reddit a while back, and everyone believed was false:

http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/26jrrf/the_future_of_swtor/

:mmm:

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maakw4UOsy1rus69co9_250.gif

Valkorion > Sidious tho.

http://i.imgur.com/DkIrHrC.gif

Ok but:

1. He's immortal. Is Sidious immortal? NO! He died trying to become immortal because he sucks and can't even possess a baby properly.

2. Valkorion can make anyone he wants "powerful beyond reason". Even Sidious' power is within reason. This guy can hand out Sidious+ power like cheap cigars. Boom.

3. Valkorion's power is infinite. Nuf said.

4. Vitiate defeated the Jedi AND THE SITH. Sidious just defeated the Jedi (but not even really). Valtiate > Sidious QED.

SON.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvga6wARjj1qdku5lo1_250.gif

Yes, Valtiatorion has unlimited power. Sidious had a son with 3 eyes named Triclops. I rest my f*cking case.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1373897141_tumblr_m06eowverb1qg10guo1_500.gif

This sounds so ****ing stupid.

No, really???

Every time I read it I find more dumb...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, Valtiatorion has unlimited power. Sidious had a son with 3 eyes named Triclops. I rest my f*cking case.



Originally posted by Sinious
@Ares

You're exaggerating a little bit. Some of the class stories were pretty decent and keep in mind that these are MMO stories not movie/novel stories. The fact that they spent so much time on storyline is appreciable.

Nope. Awful. The Agent's was the only one that was decent.

Hmmm, random article:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-wars-the-old-republic/star-wars-the-old-republic-expansion-leaked-knights-of-the-fallen-empire

Only details the first section, not the crazy ass cast of characters...

:mmm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHfUszdWsAA0MW2.jpg
Are those the lightsabers of the protags? RIP Darth Nox.

So wait....I know we can make a new character starting at lvl 60. But does this mean our characters we have now, don't have any continuing story? Or..?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHfUszdWsAA0MW2.jpg
Are those the lightsabers of the protags? RIP Darth Nox.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
http://i.imgur.com/DkIrHrC.gif

Source?

https://www.facebook.com/starwarstheoldrepublic

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHfUszdWsAA0MW2.jpg
Are those the lightsabers of the protags? RIP Darth Nox.

One looks like Malgus' saber and the other Zallows.

....

The one with the emitter shroud on the Empire thing looks like half of Vindican's lightsaber. And the other one looks like Kao Cen Darach's.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The one with the emitter shroud on the Empire thing looks like half of Vindican's lightsaber. And the other one looks like Kao Cen Darach's.

As I look at it yeah, seems to match.

So we got Malgus, Vindican's, Zallow and Darach's sabers. Although I wonder how they got Malgus' saber considering it was on an exploding space station, but I guess that'll be explained.

That or the game designers are too lazy to come up with new lightsaber hilts.

Undoubtedly what it is.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That or the game designers are too lazy to come up with new lightsaber hilts.

Perhaps, but it would be interesting to have them all connected in some way with this new storyline they got going.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Perhaps, but it would be interesting to have them all connected in some way with this new storyline they got going.

I don't see why that would be a thing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see why that would be a thing.

Why can't it be a thing? Anything can be.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why can't it be a thing? Anything can be.

But why would anyone give a shit about those 4 lightsabers in particular?

Originally posted by Nephthys
But why would anyone give a shit about those 4 lightsabers in particular?

/Shrug

Would make more sense than just have them be 4 random sabers I mean you have

Fall of Courscant/Jedi Temple= Ven Zallow

Retake of Korriban= Darach

False Emperor= Malgus

Ok Vindican isn't really any notable by comparison of what happened but /shrug.

Yeah gotta echo Neph here it would make no sense for them to collect those sabers aside from maybe Malgus's. Far more likely those are trophies they took from some Jedi/Sith they were ordered to kill.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That or the game designers are too lazy to come up with new lightsaber hilts. Most definitely.

What the f*** is this?

http://rack.1.mshcdn.com/media/ ZgkyMDEzLzA2LzEzL2E4L3NtYXNoZWRjb21wLjVkMzdhLmdpZg
pwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/46976450/cf5/smashed-computer.gif

http://38.media.tumblr.com/f88ee17c04336252ca663530771d5aca/tumblr_msc9csz4wJ1sh28k6o1_500.gif

THIS TRAILER YO

Eh.

http://www.starwarstheoldrepublic.com/fallen-empire

Originally posted by Nephthys
This can't be real. I can't believe this. It's gotta be fake.

I can't believe how bad this game is. Just when you think it can't get any stupider...

http://i.imgur.com/RG0BS1U.gif

Originally posted by Nephthys
http://38.media.tumblr.com/f88ee17c04336252ca663530771d5aca/tumblr_msc9csz4wJ1sh28k6o1_500.gif

/watch?v=nCmvm_hiRzY

Still nowhere near as good as Deceived. Better then the other two though.

That's only the teaser trailer, apparently. IGN is releasing the full trailer soon.

I don't get it. It doesn't look related to SWTOR at all, should have been its own singleplayer game.

And I thought the Sith Empire was the big bad lurking in the shadows. Where the hell did these guys come from?

Bioware doesn't give a shit. Most of us have simply realized this long before this announcement.

Originally posted by ares834
Bioware doesn't give a shit. Most of us have simply realized this long before this announcement.

BioEA just trying to cash in on SWTOR while they still can. Why put resources into an entirely new game when you can half ass a new storyline and turn it into an expansion for an existing MMO. They were on the right track with Revan and Vitiate, now I have no clue what they are doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A

FULL TRAILER ^

Not working.

Nzq9epS2b1AOriginally posted by Hero of Python
BioEA just trying to cash in on SWTOR while they still can. Why put resources into an entirely new game when you can half ass a new storyline and turn it into an expansion for an existing MMO. They were on the right track with Revan and Vitiate, now I have no clue what they are doing. TOR has been a blight on Star Wars canon since its inception.

Good thing it ain't canon anymore, also that father is such a dick.

I want this too be good I really REALLY do. But based on Bioware's track record with SWTOR it is going to be terrible. They are going to loose focus and have Revan show up for no reason other than the fact that he prints money and the story line is just going to get flushed down the toilet. Please don't do that Bioware. Please

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I want this too be good I really REALLY do. But based on Bioware's track record with SWTOR it is going to be terrible. They are going to loose focus and have Revan show up for no reason other than the fact that he prints money and the story line is just going to get flushed down the toilet. Please don't do that Bioware. Please

But they hate Revan. He was owned by the first boogeyman empire hiding in the shadows, this one would probably wipe his force ghost from existence.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Good thing it ain't canon anymore, also that father is such a dick.

Still a better dad than Stannis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Still a better dad than Stannis.


Ha

Thinking about it, I can almost see this being their attempt to make the game canon.

How so?

Arcaan is ****ing cooler than Revan, tbh.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How so?

Depends on what happens. But it almost seems like they are gonna ignore most of what came before.

This is awesome.

It looked cool tbh.

This looks stupid. I can't even remotely see where this would fit into the plot. Also a mysterious third faction? Come on now...

The twins look exactly like Galen Marek.

That's because the vidya industry has a fetish for white males with short hair.

Dumb as shit

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Arcaan is ****ing cooler than Revan, tbh. http://media.giphy.com/media/GDEkCw4R52oRG/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Arcaan is ****ing cooler than Revan, tbh. That's not much of an accomplishment.

Jar-Jar is cooler then Revan.

The storyline:

You have been in carbonite for years, you wake up and find that both the Galactic Republic and the Sith Empire have been over-run and all but destroyed. You have to go find and recruit old companions, including those of other classes as well as new companions. The Eternal Empire is now the supreme galactic super power and your mission is to unite the Republic and the Sith Empire against them in a last chance bid. All of the old leaders, including the Dark Council and Jedi High Council are hiding away or are more likely dead, the former main factions are in ruins as of this point. The 8 PCs are taking over almost completely from this point forwards in terms of faction leadership.

Oh and Empreror Valkorion is described as the biggest threat yet, a.k.a more powerful than Vitiate.

This should have been a new story.

BioWare should finish Vitiate's chapter first.

I'm really confused. It doesn't look bad and as mentioned above its good that they're having fun with the story since it doesn't belong in the new canon but how does this fit in the story? I mean what is Vitiate doing while these guys take over the galaxy?

Unless Vitiate is related to Evil Empire mk 2 (i.e. he is, or is closely related to, this other Emperor), it's possible they'll finish off Vitiate before then. Shadow of Revan had quite an extensive prologue release before it came out, so there's still time for more story before this one. It would make sense to clear the decks.

It could be but they hyped Vitiate so much it doesn't make sense for them to overshadow his story right when it peaked with this new content.

Nothing about this new content makes sense, other than the fact it will be profitable. That is why it is stupid.Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Oh and Empreror Valkorion is described as the biggest threat yet, a.k.a more powerful than Vitiate. Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This should have been a new story.

BioWare should finish Vitiate's chapter first. Well at the very least I'll be able to savour Legends tears...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nothing about this new content makes sense, other than the fact it will be profitable.

My point is, even marketing wise it doesn't make sense. At least the timing of it.

Originally posted by Sinious
It could be but they hyped Vitiate so much it doesn't make sense for them to overshadow his story right when it peaked with this new content.

There is a question about how much further they can really go with Vitiate though. One more story release to kill him off wouldn't be completely weird.

The timing is likely their to coincide with the release of The Force Awakens, and E3.

But maybe Rise of the Emperor didn't do as well as they hoped, I feel as if they are targeting new rather than old players.

Then again you have to be at least slightly insane to come up with an idea this atrocious.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
There is a question about how much further they can really go with Vitiate though. One more story release to kill him off wouldn't be completely weird.

Which would be an important release for the franchise since he has been the big bad since day one and now it'll be completely irrelevant cause of this new content.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The timing is likely their to coincide with the release of The Force Awakens, and E3.

But maybe Rise of the Emperor didn't do as well as they hoped, I feel as if they are targeting new rather than old players.

Then again you have to be at least slightly insane to come up with an idea this atrocious.

Maybe yeah.

I've been checking some of the reactions of non forum related SW/SWTOR fans and it seems like the majority of people liked it a lot.

Exactly, whereas a likely minority of long standing players and lore junkies, hate it. Thing is the majority of those people and indeed us, will play it anyway. Because its Star Wars.
Another possibility is that Valkorion is Vitiate.

My guy reaction to that would be "no that's stupid", but BioWare have long since stopped making sense.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Exactly, whereas the likely minority of long standing players and lore junkies, hate it. Thing is the majority of those people and indeed us, will play it anyway. Because its Star Wars.


Ain't that the goddamn truth.



Honestly, if they kill off Vitiate in an anticlimactic manner, I'll lose all my faith/interest in TOR and what you said seems like the only way for him not to die in an irrelevant way.

But even I who feels this way think that Vitiate being related to this new Emperor is so stupid that I think it would be better if he just died.

Well done Bioware, you made me wanna see Vitiate dead.

Valkorion isn't Vitiate, according to reddit Vitiate got the hell out of dodge or disappears at the onset of this.

Welp, that's that. Officially dumb as hell.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Valkorion isn't Vitiate, according to reddit Vitiate got the hell out of dodge or disappears at the onset of this.

Details for this?

Valkorion is already said to be a whole new character, really there is no way it would be him, why would he abandon his advantages as a spirit? Also Vitiate isn't mentioned in any datamining.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Valkorion is already said to be a whole new character, really there is no way it would be him, why would he abandon his advantages as a spirit? Also Vitiate isn't mentioned in any datamining.

I meant the details of how he disappears/dies etc.

I personally see Vitiate getting wrapped up in the two or three updates coming up, if Vitiate was killed by Valkorion that'd be very interesting.

One of the best theories yet is that they are celestials, his mention of finally building an empire that is perfect makes it highly unlikely to be anything else.

Also this faction is neither Jedi or Sith, light or dark, they follow a 'higher path'. This would all certainly explain Valkorion being an immortal all-powerful Emperor stronger than even Vitiate.

Originally posted by Sinious
I meant the details of how he disappears/dies etc.


Oh nope, he just has nothing to do with this expansion, he is either already gone/dead or is hiding himself.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax

One of the best theories yet is that they are celestials, his mention of finally building an empire that is perfect makes it highly unlikely to be anything else.

Also this faction is neither Jedi or Sith, light or dark, they follow a 'higher path'. This would all certainly explain Valkorion being an immortal all-powerful Emperor stronger than even Vitiate.

This came to my mind as well but I feel like the Celestials would be a lot less materialistic and more force aligned. Also, these guys are too evil imo. This looks like just another human/humanoid oriented civilization.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Oh nope, he just has nothing to do with this expansion, he is either already gone/dead or is hiding himself.

Ah, I see.

Celestials are an empty bag though, we know they were not just some combined race, there were groups that may or may not have conflicted with one another. Furthermore they don't seem to be good or evil, they are just powerful.

Another reason it can't be Vitiate is that Valkorion wants to build a galaxy wide empire, not destroy the galaxy.

I am calling it now, Valkorion is some form of celestial, from building a series of empires to being immortal/all-powerful and supposedly the ability to make others all-powerful. Too strong to be anything but.

Hmm, yes. Perhaps one(Valkorion) or more Celestials refused to merge with the force and stayed hidden to rebuild an Empire to retake the galaxy. I don't think the ones that merged with the force returned(cause logically, they should be a lot wiser and selfless) but if some of them didn't follow that path, it is most likely that these guys are them.

I'm kinda disappointed that there wasn't a fight at the end. Arc pretty much only won because he was amped via his rage and his brother wasn't expecting that and holding back. Especially when throughout his brother was noted as better, it just seems kind of lackluster tbh.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Celestials are an empty bag though, we know they were not just some combined race, there were groups that may or may not have conflicted with one another. Furthermore they don't seem to be good or evil, they are just powerful.

Another reason it can't be Vitiate is that Valkorion wants to build a galaxy wide empire, not destroy the galaxy.

I am calling it now, Valkorion is some form of celestial, from building a series of empires to being immortal/all-powerful and supposedly the ability to make others all-powerful. Too strong to be anything but.

Vitiate doesn't want to consume the galaxy anymore.

How so?

Valkorion's eyes are seen glowing orange at the end of the trailer, and he doesn't seem very upset his goody goody son died, so I think he is of the dark side. Still that doesn't necessarily rule him out as being a Celestial.

Originally posted by Sinious
How so?

He says so iirc, you can tell him you'll never let him eat the galaxy and he's like "lol i dont even wanna do that no more douchebag i got better plans now".

Originally posted by Nephthys
He says so iirc, you can tell him you'll never let him eat the galaxy and he's like "lol i dont even wanna do that no more douchebag i got better plans now".

Yeah, I thought you were referring to that and at first disregarded it cause Vitiate keeps on draining after saying that but I just watched the cutscene again and Vitiate says he is gonna drain that planet anyway right there so that is not related to his quest for galactic annihilation. This is actually an interesting detail that could even be linked to the new expansion.

Doesn't he only say that he finds life more interesting with the protag alive and that is why he doesn't kill the protag.

Eternal Empire might be the Architects.

No, the protag says you will feed on all life to become immortal and Vitiate replies "I have already cheated death, I have other plans now."

But he then says he'll drain the **** out of Ziost.

He does actual remark that life is more interesting with the protag in it.

However I really can't see how he fits in to the Empire of Zakuul thing.

Maybe he'll just be cackling in the background as they screw things up?

I like to view Vitiate as an anime tsundere.

:ritual gets foiled: Well I don't even wanna drain the galaxy anymore! I've got much better plans now! And I'm not even gonna tell you about them so don't even ask, Baka!

:gets his ass kicked by the protag: I-I let you win! I decided life's more interesting with you in it! EVERYTHING IS PROCEEDING AS I PLANNED NO SETBACKS AT ALL VITIATE OUT!

Neither can I, honestly it would be too obvious even if it was him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I like to view Vitiate as an anime tsundere.

:ritual gets foiled: Well I don't even wanna drain the galaxy anymore! I've got much better plans now! And I'm not even gonna tell you about them so don't even ask, Baka!

:gets his ass kicked by the protag: I-I let you win! I decided life's more interesting with you in it! EVERYTHING IS PROCEEDING AS I PLANNED NO SETBACKS AT ALL VITIATE OUT! LOL

Originally posted by Nephthys
I like to view Vitiate as an anime tsundere.

:ritual gets foiled: Well I don't even wanna drain the galaxy anymore! I've got much better plans now! And I'm not even gonna tell you about them so don't even ask, Baka!

:gets his ass kicked by the protag: I-I let you win! I decided life's more interesting with you in it! EVERYTHING IS PROCEEDING AS I PLANNED NO SETBACKS AT ALL VITIATE OUT!
Why Vitiate turned Ziost into a second Nathema then?

You are mistaking a possessed Jedi Master for being Vitiate.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He does actual remark that life is more interesting with the protag in it.

However I really can't see how he fits in to the Empire of Zakuul thing.

Maybe he'll just be cackling in the background as they screw things up?

Yeah, I meant that he also says other things.

Me neither, but he might end up being related to it.

That would be the most logical scenario but I don't think they would create another story while Vitiate's is going on cause it peaked with the last patch as annihilation is the main concern and I really doubt that they would bring in this new concept to mash with the Vitiate patches especially since the trailer doesn't include Vitiate at all.

Rise of the Emperor was just a patch not an expansion, I can see them tying Vitiate up in the same manner before Knights of the Fallen Empire goes live.

What a great way to handle your main villain, you just patch him out.


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why Vitiate turned Ziost into a second Nathema then?

You are mistaking a possessed Jedi Master for being Vitiate.

Because even a setback wasn't enough to stop him from gaining power eventually.

Vitiate was the one possessing her and fighting with her body. He still lost to the protag in that way.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He does actual remark that life is more interesting with the protag in it.

However I really can't see how he fits in to the Empire of Zakuul thing.

Maybe he'll just be cackling in the background as they screw things up?

Just kill him off. He is a shitty character and has served his purpose. Time to move on to bigger and better things.

Originally posted by LadyKulvax
Rise of the Emperor was just a patch not an expansion, I can see them tying Vitiate up in the same manner before Knights of the Fallen Empire goes live.

Vitiate doesn't have the marketing value of Revan so I can understand that(though I still think the ultimate bad guy of the franchise deserved an expansion) but now it will be irrelevant even for a patch cause the new expansion is gonna overshadow.

Neph considering they are in the process of switching to episodic chapters and that RotE set a precedence then I doubt your concerns are warranted.

Originally posted by ares834
Just kill him off. He is a shitty character and has served his purpose. Time to move on to bigger and better things.

I concur.

It baffles me that people want him to stick around.

Now this is interesting.

It's more likely than not Vitiate is quickly patched up and removed from play by a new operation or something mentioned by this new expansion. It's also very possible that he'll return within the expansion as an outside antagonist, though that's unlikely.

Revan needs to die or else be ignored. If Revan shows up in this I literally might rage quit life