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OK, this is the scenario; Let's pretend that Neo and Agent Smith have the exact same powers that they had while they were in the Matrix, but in the real world. Smith has the ability to clone, and has been at it for a week. Neo is at the height of his reality manipulation (believe and it will be) power. They are face to face with Zod, and Superman in a deserted city. Zod has Faora with him to aid him and Superman.

Which team wins?

MOS slaughter house

Smith solos.

So an army of Smiths plus Neo vs 3 Kryptonians?

Kryptonians speedblitz tbh.

I think you mean that the Kryptonians get speedblizted.

Originally posted by Stigma
Kryptonians speedblitz tbh. Smith and Neo are much faster as proven by the films. You're a fanboy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think you mean that the Kryptonians get speedblizted.
Um.... dunno.

I remember the Kryptonians being pretty damn fast. Don't remember specific speed feats of Neo and Smith... apart form that feat that Neo pulled off to save Trinity.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um.... dunno.

I remember the Kryptonians being pretty damn fast. Don't remember specific speed feats of Neo and Smith... apart form that feat that Neo pulled off to save Trinity. So you admit to ignorance. Good grief.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um.... dunno.

I remember the Kryptonians being pretty damn fast. Don't remember specific speed feats of Neo and Smith... apart form that feat that Neo pulled off to save Trinity.

MOS people had good flight speed, but their reactions are well below bullet speed as seen by them getting shot. whereas even in the first movie an Agents reaction speed was well above that of a bullet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
MOS people had good flight speed, but their reactions are well below bullet speed as seen by them getting shot. whereas even in the first movie an Agents reaction speed was well above that of a bullet.
I'm iffy on that notion of flight speed vs. combat speed.

I get what you mean, but I am not sure how fair is that.

I can see MOS evading bullets, for he was moving fast enough to cover the distance from Earth to the Earth's orbit in a few seconds while fighting Zod. I guess it must be correlated with his combat speed, but I admit this is my assumption.

I can see MOS evading bullets by flying faster then they can go or the person shooting can aim, but I can't see him standing in one place and dodging multiple bullets by just by moving his upper body around like the Agents did.

I see. That's a fair point.

I think Kryptonians have more raw power, but Smith is no slouch and he can make a bunch of copies of himself and he isn't so far behind them powerwise judging from the damage they did to the city at the end of the 3rd movie in their fight.

They do have crappy speed feats in MoS and even the decent ones are mostly done by Faora. But I think it is the ability to have multiple versions of Smith on the field that cements the victory.

Originally posted by Stigma
I'm iffy on that notion of flight speed vs. combat speed.

I get what you mean, but I am not sure how fair is that.

I can see MOS evading bullets, for he was moving fast enough to cover the distance from Earth to the Earth's orbit in a few seconds while fighting Zod. I guess it must be correlated with his combat speed, but I admit this is my assumption. So by saying flight speed and cl,bat speed aren't different you claim that a pilot is faster than say Bruce Lee since he can fly at those speeds in an aircraft ? Ridiculous.

1st off

Kryptonians can punch and fly at the same time.

2nd

Kryptonians get raped

Being able to punch while flying isn't the same thing as having superspeed reflexes/reactions. I mean pilots can throw punches while flying at hundreds of miles and hour, that doesn't mean they have superspeed reflexes/reactions.

Generally when we refer to combat superspeed we are talking about what guys like Quicksilver Flash and Metro-Man have. IE people that could do things like read a book, paint a house or put together a 1000 piece puzzle before anyone else can even blink.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
1st off

Kryptonians can punch and fly at the same time.

2nd

Kryptonians get raped No, they cannot. It is like saying I can punch while sprinting. That doesn't mean you can move out of the way when someone throws a punch at you while sprinting, silly boy.

Originally posted by Stigma
Kryptonians speedblitz tbh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they cannot. It is like saying I can punch while sprinting. That doesn't mean you can move out of the way when someone throws a punch at you while sprinting, silly boy.

They can't punch while they fly? Even though we saw superman flying at Zod and punching at the same time?

If you can't punch while running there is something wrong with you.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
They can't punch while they fly? Even though we saw superman flying at Zod and punching at the same time?

If you can't punch while running there is something wrong with you. They can lunch but they can't react and dodge attacks while flying forward and punching.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They can lunch but they can't react and dodge attacks while flying forward and punching.

How does one lunch?

Actually, faora reacted to a speedblitz from Kal with ease.

And actually, they did react to each other mid flight.

Namek reacted to Superman in motion and caught him

Originally posted by Werewolf582
How does one lunch?

Actually, faora reacted to a speedblitz from Kal with ease.

And actually, they did react to each other mid flight. She was more skilled but her actions were not complicated. She was trained whereas kal was not.

Not in the same vein. They dint have speed comparable at all to Neo and Smith's who were well above bullet speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She was more skilled but her actions were not complicated. She was trained whereas kal was not.

Not in the same vein. They dint have speed comparable at all to Neo and Smith's who were well above bullet speed.

Yet Kal was still able to fight her and Namek.

Technically Kal has quadruple digit speed in the flying category which is well above bullet timing.

And again faora reacted to a flying Kal, so there's that.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Yet Kal was still able to fight her and Namek.

Technically Kal has quadruple digit speed in the flying category which is well above bullet timing.

And again faora reacted to a flying Kal, so there's that. He got hit by boilers all the time. Smith could dodge them. They were all around the same speed save his training was bad.

That's just a straight in attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He got hit by boilers all the time. Smith could dodge them. They were all around the same speed save his training was bad.

That's just a straight in attack.

Please show me him getting hit by boilers.

If you mean bullets, that's actually the lowest speed feat Kal has. And it's not like they actually hurt him. It didn't even leave a bruise.

And? It's still reacting to flying speed. No matter what, you can't get around that.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Please show me him getting hit by boilers.

If you mean bullets, that's actually the lowest speed feat Kal has. And it's not like they actually hurt him. It didn't even leave a bruise.

And? It's still reacting to flying speed. No matter what, you can't get around that. bullets hit him. I didn't say they hurt him. Laser kid him as well. He was also too slow to save his daddy.

He isn't avoiding and can tank the attacks. It isn't the same thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
bullets hit him. I didn't say they hurt him. Laser kid him as well. He was also too slow to save his daddy.

He isn't avoiding and can tank the attacks. It isn't the same thing.

And? Great, we're on the same page. What makes the lasers such a bad feat? He couldn't fly

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Cause they can't hurt you.

ITT: feats don't matter and only low end showings count as evidence

Such an unbiased and legitimate debating tactic

Originally posted by StealthRanger
ITT: feats don't matter and only low end showings count as evidence

Such an unbiased and legitimate debating tactic

That seems to be the case whenever superman is in a thread.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
And? Great, we're on the same page. What makes the lasers such a bad feat? He couldn't fly

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Cause they can't hurt you. He is below bullet timing thus slower than Smith.


The laser kod him though. Smith showed superior reflexes. He wins.

Or anywhere where people get their jimmies rustled because their preconceptions of a character are violated and said character is more powerful than they want him to be

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Or anywhere where people get their jimmies rustled because their preconceptions of a character are violated and said character is more powerful than they want him to be Sounds like you, fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sounds like you, fanboy.

Mind backing that up? Or is this just another one of your cheap "no u" tactics?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Mind backing that up? Or is this just another one of your cheap "no u" tactics? You not backing your claims and pretending time doesn't matter with Star Wars characters. You're a massive fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You not backing your claims and pretending time doesn't matter with Star Wars characters. You're a massive fanboy.

Except that has nothing to do with what I said

GJ on proving you can't read though

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Except that has nothing to do with what I said

GJ on proving you can't read though So you concede to being a fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you concede to being a fanboy.

No. But you can't read though so

Btw, still butthurt about Caine vs Vader?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is below bullet timing thus slower than Smith.


The laser kod him though. Smith showed superior reflexes. He wins.

You ignored almost half my post

Faora is above bullet timing though. And Kal can fight with her.

Again what makes the laser such a bad feat? Naw son.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
How does one lunch?

Like this...



http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kirby-inhaling-food.gif

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHQgxafUYAADhs2.jpg

Originally posted by StealthRanger
No. But you can't read though so

Btw, still butthurt about Caine vs Vader? Caine wins. Why would I be mad when you're bringing it up.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You ignored almost half my post

Faora is above bullet timing though. And Kal can fight with her.

Again what makes the laser such a bad feat? Naw son. No, I did not.

No, she isn't. Her feats don't suggest she can dodge bullets.

If he was as fast as you claim he should have dodged it. Poor kal.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHQgxafUYAADhs2.jpg



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Originally posted by Sacred Fire
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http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131224015222/degrassi/images/1/1e/5217-wtf-face.png

Originally posted by quanchi112
Caine wins. Why would I be mad when you're bringing it up.

Well you seem to be frustrated at me bringing up Star Wars for whatever reason

Originally posted by Werewolf582
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144096/3756765-4167245635-veget.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I did not.

No, she isn't. Her feats don't suggest she can dodge bullets.

If he was as fast as you claim he should have dodged it. Poor kal.

You didn't answer question on the laser. You ignored the fact Kal couldn't fly when his father died. And you basically ignored that Kal doesn't need to dodge bullets if they can't hurt him.

So ya, half my post.

Catching Kal Flying >>> bullets

Why dodge something that can't hurt you?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Well you seem to be frustrated at me bringing up Star Wars for whatever reason why ? You're just a harmless fanboy.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You didn't answer question on the laser. You ignored the fact Kal couldn't fly when his father died. And you basically ignored that Kal doesn't need to dodge bullets if they can't hurt him.

So ya, half my post.

Catching Kal Flying >>> bullets

Why dodge something that can't hurt you? He was not fast enough to save his father without anyone else seeing.

False as bullets hit him. Smith can dodge them easily.

Lasers kod him. Bullets don't feel good so why not dodge them ?

Originally posted by Sacred Fire
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144096/3756765-4167245635-veget.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119495/3284832-mrbean2.jpg

Wait what?

When did you change your name?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
http://stuffpoint.com/mrbean/image/30861-mr-bean-mr-bean-as-justin-bieber.jpg

Wait what?

When did you change your name?

I put in the request a while ago, and Raz apparently took care of that when he stopped by recently.



http://25.media.tumblr.com/e4dfcffa797c4d9e23083d651ed9e3a7/tumblr_mkaflpfLBy1r9pyqao1_500.jpg

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So not only are you sacred, but now your Tsuna as well? Noice.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So not only are you sacred, but now your Tsuna as well? Noice.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/118000/Ian-McKellen-Old-Man-PS4-Game--118126.jpg

"Tsuna?"



http://orig13.deviantart.net/a869/f/2010/093/5/e/negative_zone_by_joeadok.jpg

This guy
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http://whyareyoustupid.com/wp-content/uploads/5300.jpg

Originally posted by Werewolf582
This guy
http://pre03.deviantart.net/c065/th/pre/f/2012/174/8/c/tsuna_by_ar_ua-d54j9kz.jpg

I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the reference.






http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/loudwire.com/files/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-08-at-3.33.16-PM.png

Originally posted by Sacred Fire
I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the reference.


It's a pretty good series IMO. Its called Hitman Reborn




Originally posted by Sacred Fire
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http://media.tumblr.com/a94b1e7307a639098490614f353c8110/tumblr_inline_msb3ljeXVB1qz4rgp.jpg

i am not disappointed by this in any way

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You didn't answer question on the laser. You ignored the fact Kal couldn't fly when his father died. And you basically ignored that Kal doesn't need to dodge bullets if they can't hurt him.

So ya, half my post.

Catching Kal Flying >>> bullets

Why dodge something that can't hurt you?

So much wrong with this post.

If Kal had the speed you're trying to give him, he should've been able to run to his dad, save him and got back in his spot before anyone even saw him. That's super speed, not flight speed. Example, Vulcan flew from Earth all the way to the Shiar empire that is located on the other side of the Galaxy in a weeks times. That thousands times the speed of light.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111435/3929432-9915638253-1.jpg.jpg

But yet he still wasn't fast enough to catch a bullet from a sniper.

http://i.imgur.com/re8au8g.jpg

Let alone see it. That's the difference between flight speed and combat speed. Ironman creates sonic booms when flying and I'm talijg about movie Ironman but no one would say he could fight and throw punches at the speed of sound. I think you all have the two confused.

2nd part. How fast was Kal Flying at Faora? Was he going his top speed and if your answer is yes, please prove it. Hell, the humans in the bar/restaurant saw the entire fight.

Uuuummmm, he did fly away from the second set of bullets and remember, the big guy got knocked through a building or a wall when he was hit by those bullets and Superman wasn't tanking them either. If he could dodge them, let alone catch them, he would have.

Originally posted by carver9
So much wrong with this post.

If Kal had the speed you're trying to give him, he should've been able to run to his dad, save him and got back in his spot before anyone even saw him. That's super speed, not flight speed. Example, Vulcan flew from Earth all the way to the Shiar empire that is located on the other side of the Galaxy in a weeks times. That thousands times the speed of light.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111435/3929432-9915638253-1.jpg.jpg

But yet he still wasn't fast enough to catch a bullet from a sniper.

http://i.imgur.com/re8au8g.jpg

Let alone see it. That's the difference between flight speed and combat speed. Ironman creates sonic booms when flying and I'm talijg about movie Ironman but no one would say he could fight and throw punches at the speed of sound. I think you all have the two confused.

2nd part. How fast was Kal Flying at Faora? Was he going his top speed and if your answer is yes, please prove it. Hell, the humans in the bar/restaurant saw the entire fight.

Uuuummmm, he did fly away from the second set of bullets and remember, the big guy got knocked through a building or a wall when he was hit by those bullets and Superman wasn't tanking them either. If he could dodge them, let alone catch them, he would have.

Kal couldn't run fast at that point.

Why dodge something that can't hurt you? Lowballing isn't helping you.

I'm not giving him combat speed equal to his flight speed. I'm saying he's above average human then most of you downplayers keep placing him at

Lol, I already said he wasn't going full speed. Humans see people like deadpool fight yet despite him having hypersonic speed.

He got knocked through a pole and he was back up with no signs of damage >_>

Wasn't tanking them? They weren't leaving scratches bruises or nothing. And Kal was still able to fight Zod and the World engines.

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Because they can't hurt you.

Again lowballing isn't helping you when he has better feats.

MOS Superman has no real superspeed reactions/reflexes, so why bring it up?

Originally posted by Silent Master
MOS Superman has no real superspeed reactions/reflexes, so why bring it up?

Faora was able to react to a flying superman.

Supes can keep up with her in combat for.a.Good amount.

Not saying his speed = combat speed but it puts him above average human level that most of y'all out him at

i give strength to the MOS crew as i'm not sure if i remember any display of strength from the Matrix guys (there may be some but i don't remember lol). But everything else, fight skills, reality manip, speed, i give it to team Matrix.

In terms of speed Superman and Zod massively outstrip Neo and Smith, but by that same token Neo and Smith have a sizable edge in striking power (their clash destroyed every window in the city with a massive shockwave).

So I don't really know.

Didn't Superman overpower the gravity beam of the World Engine or whatever it was the flattened skyscrapers and shit?

Yeah, but I'm too lazy and dumb to quantify that feat.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Kal couldn't run fast at that point.

Why dodge something that can't hurt you? Lowballing isn't helping you.

I'm not giving him combat speed equal to his flight speed. I'm saying he's above average human then most of you downplayers keep placing him at

Lol, I already said he wasn't going full speed. Humans see people like deadpool fight yet despite him having hypersonic speed.

He got knocked through a pole and he was back up with no signs of damage >_>

Wasn't tanking them? They weren't leaving scratches bruises or nothing. And Kal was still able to fight Zod and the World engines.

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Because they can't hurt you.

Again lowballing isn't helping you when he has better feats.

He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by carver9
He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Hahaha, this post is full of fail, bask in it carv.

Man these threads are strongly reminiscent of the old DBZ vs Sailor Moon threads on places like MovieCodec

"Goku speedblitzes Sailor Moon!"
>someone posts that scan where Usagi goes from Earth to the galactic center in seconds
"GOKU R STILL WAI TOO FAST IN COMBAT!!!"

It's... it's those threads again, ya know

Originally posted by carver9
He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Superman didn't have superspeed at that point >_>

So he flew away from the bullets. Fail to see your point other than your attempts to lowball him with his lowest feat >_>

I.never said he was. Can you not read?

His usual take off speed should be pretty fast since at one point he flew all the way to the sky in seconds.

We literally have him at quad digit flight speed and he still didn't make sonic booms. Seriously, you are trying way to hard

Lol........ that wasn't even what I was getting to >_>. My point was that their is no sense in dodging something that literally can't hurt you. Coolio, again one of the lowest feats he has and what you and the other downplayers continue to dickride

Lol....... He was still moving like nothing affected him. And zod was perfectly fine until his neck was snapped. Although their attacks hurt each other neither of their punches did serious damage to them.

I legit faceplamed at that argument about the mosquitos.

Using the LOWEST feat for all his shit is lowballing. Faora actually has a feat though. Something you continue to ignore.

Go ahead and keep dickriding that one bullet scene. It's understandable since it's the only thing you have to lowball Kal

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Man these threads are strongly reminiscent of the old DBZ vs Sailor Moon threads on places like MovieCodec

"Goku speedblitzes Sailor Moon!"
>someone posts that scan where Usagi goes from Earth to the galactic center in seconds
"GOKU R STILL WAI TOO FAST IN COMBAT!!!"

It's... it's those threads again, ya know

KMC is in dark days indeed.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Superman didn't have superspeed at that point >_>

So he flew away from the bullets. Fail to see your point other than your attempts to lowball him with his lowest feat >_>

I.never said he was. Can you not read?

His usual take off speed should be pretty fast since at one point he flew all the way to the sky in seconds.

We literally have him at quad digit flight speed and he still didn't make sonic booms. Seriously, you are trying way to hard

Lol........ that wasn't even what I was getting to >_>. My point was that their is no sense in dodging something that literally can't hurt you. Coolio, again one of the lowest feats he has and what you and the other downplayers continue to dickride

Lol....... He was still moving like nothing affected him. And zod was perfectly fine until his neck was snapped. Although their attacks hurt each other neither of their punches did serious damage to them.

I legit faceplamed at that argument about the mosquitos.

Using the LOWEST feat for all his shit is lowballing. Faora actually has a feat though. Something you continue to ignore.

Go ahead and keep dickriding that one bullet scene. It's understandable since it's the only thing you have to lowball Kal

Carver has said before after he gets utterly destroyed in arguments that he didn't know people take these seriously, which is an admission of lying and trolling his side and others sides. He will utterly low ball any Superman feats and wank any Hulk feat like it was more then it was. He has zero ability to think rational and gets caught by PR and Bada all the time lying in the CBVF, then he whines/ass kisses to get out of bans.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Carver has said before after he gets utterly destroyed in arguments that he didn't know people take these seriously, which is an admission of lying and trolling his side and others sides. He will utterly low ball any Superman feats and wank any Hulk feat like it was more then it was. He has zero ability to think rational and gets caught by PR and Bada all the time lying in the CBVF, then he whines/ass kisses to get out of bans.

Just for reference, we're talking a guy who judges things based off flashy art style over actual feats to the point where he thinks some barely above peak human animu characters are above ****ers like Quicksilver, Flash and the Runner because the latter aren't drawn with afterimages, speed lines and blurs

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Just for reference, we're talking a guy who judges things based off flashy art style over actual feats to the point where he thinks some barely above peak human animu characters are above ****ers like Quicksilver, Flash and the Runner because the latter aren't drawn with afterimages, speed lines and blurs

Yes exactly