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Both in physical forms.

This is yoda in his prime

This is Vitiate in his peak physical form.

This is all out.

Who deserves the number three spot in the Star Wars mythos.

Yoda.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Who deserves the number three spot in the Star Wars mythos.
Number three spot? You get to decide spots now?

As for this confrontation, Vitiate will wreck Yoda with his powers and then break him.

Vitiate threads ****ing suck. There are tons of threads with lesser utilized characters and hardly any posts lol.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You get to decide spots now?



Sorry, is that right reserved for you only?

Originally posted by Trocity
Sorry, is that right reserved for you only?
No, but I have the right to question baseless points.

How exactly is it baseless? When reviewing all characters' feats, he came to the conclusion that Luke Skywalker is #1 and Darth Sidious is #2.

He doesn't think Vitiate is #1, and that's why you're upset.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Number three spot? You get to decide spots now?

As for this confrontation, Vitiate will wreck Yoda with his powers and then break him.

Of course I don't get to decide spots but I mean really it's the most logical spot as Luke is the obvious number one and Sidiosu would no doubt take the number two spot thus leaving the number three spot open. That is unless Caedus takes three then these two are competing for the number 4 spot.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course I don't get to decide spots but I mean really it's the most logical spot as Luke is the obvious number one and Sidiosu would no doubt take the number two spot thus leaving the number three spot open. That is unless Caedus takes three then these two are competing for the number 4 spot.
Not this again.

Why are Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious supposed to be no. 1 and 2 respectively?

Originally posted by Trocity
How exactly is it baseless? When reviewing all characters' feats, he came to the conclusion that Luke Skywalker is #1 and Darth Sidious is #2.

He doesn't think Vitiate is #1, and that's why you're upset.
And I have the right to question his ranking. Whats your problem?

I agree with cart, too much Vitiate lately (not that I'm not to be blamed for it too )

Also, Yoda wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course I don't get to decide spots but I mean really it's the most logical spot as Luke is the obvious number one and Sidiosu would no doubt take the number two spot thus leaving the number three spot open. That is unless Caedus takes three then these two are competing for the number 4 spot.
I concur.

When it comes to this ranking, I'd say:

1. FotJ Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Caedus
5. Plagueis (I have him that high, but Vitiate can occupy this spot too)
6. Vitiate

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not this again.

Why are Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious supposed to be no. 1 and 2 respectively?

Yes your right not this again. Vitiate is not number one. Every time someone says that Luke and Sidious are above Vitiate you have to always stick your nose some where and question it. Out of the three Luke has the most raw power and by his prime when he is grandmaster he has achieved so much. He became was what Anakin was supposed to become so with that he became the most powerful force weilder of all time so with that Anakin had more raw power than Vitiate. Sidious knew that Luke would become what Aankin was supposed to be that's why he wanted him to be his apprentice. Luke out of his prime defeated Sidious, and along with his sister was able to cut off Palaptines connection to the force. He has achieved Oneness. He has achieved the power to match or outright defeat the Ones, the most powerful family of force wielders ever. He was trained by the second greatest Jedi master of all time yoda. He acheived the ability to live after death as a force ghost. He was greater than Darth Caedus. Of he can cut off palpatines connection with just his sister out of his prime imagine what he could do within his prime. The two basically acheived what it at one time took an entire Jedi council to do, respectively. Luke is number one and is unquestioned.


Sidious holds the number two spot. As of DE Sidious is undoubtedly the most powerful Sith of all time having learned most if not all the Sith secrets. Created force storms, as of ROTS Dooku someone renowned for his skill with the blade and power in the force, known to be one of the most powerful force wielders in the Star Wars mythos, was afraid to take him on by himself, same goes for vader. Sidious accomplished while on a smaller scale, however less time a few seconds what it took vitiate several rituals to accomplish. Making a storm on a planet. In holographic form Sidiosu created a storm in a moderate to small area with his own presence, holographic while it took vitiate rituals and time. Sidious accomplished what he accomplished on his own while Vititae needed rituals. Sidiosu has destroyed armies with his force lightning and turned opponents to ash basically vaporizing them. Wasn't his force lightning able to have a glow on the planet. When he used it you could see it from outer space? I know his force storms were capable of ravaging the surfaces of worlds and engulf entire fleets. He accomplished along with vitiate essence transfer which was thought to be lost when he discovered it. Had access to all of the Jedi holocrons on coruscant after the purge and had plenty of the time to gain any knowledge and power they had to offer. Has defeated savage oppress and maul at once. Defeated Luke Skywalker by himself. When not on his prime bent Mace Windus lightsaber hilt and threw him out of a window. Almost overpowered Yoda. Was described as a void blackhole in the force. Most powerful Sith of the bane/Rule of two line and considered by many to be the most powerful Sith ever. Is arguably the greatest lightsaber duelist of all time. Sidiosu no doubt gets the number 2 spot.

This leaves the number three spot open. While I think Yoda belongs in this spot and many agree with me, I think Caedus is up there as well. My top 5 force power list would go

Luke
Sidious
Yoda
Caedus
Vitiate

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

This leaves the number three spot open. While I think Yoda belongs in this spot and many agree with me, I think Caedus is up there as well. My top 5 force power list would go

Luke
Sidious
Yoda
Caedus
Vitiate
Nice list.

Originally posted by Stigma



Nice list.


Thank you. Is that how you see your list or is it different. Could you post it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Thank you. Is that how you see your list or is it different. Could you post it.
I see mine to be almost identical.

It's posted above:

Originally posted by Stigma
When it comes to this ranking, I'd say:

1. FotJ Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Caedus
5. Plagueis (I have him that high, but Vitiate can occupy this spot too)
6. Vitiate

I'm iffy on Plagueis and Vitiate but I can totally see them change places on my list.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And I have the right to question his ranking. Whats your problem?


The problem is you attempt to place Vitiate out of his proper place. I've reviewed Vitate and Sidiosu and Luke. Luke is obviously meant to be the number one character. Being the son of the chosen one who was supposed one if not the most powerful force weilder of all time, was trained by Yoda, used powerful displays of TK, matched and defeated the most powerful Sith of all time, acheived what Anakin was supposed to become, has the ability to defeat both The Daughter Dan The Son at the same time(possibly) defeated abeloth(one of her forms and with the aid of Darth Krayt) Defeated or stalemated Darth Caedus.

Originally posted by Stigma
I see mine to be almost identical.

It's posted above:



I'm iffy on Plagueis and Vitiate but I can totally see them change places on my list.

I've never seen Plagueis as up there with the greats up until now. However I still wouldn't put him in my top 5 but possibly my top 10

Originally posted by Stigma


When it comes to this ranking, I'd say:

1. FotJ Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Prime!Yoda
4. Caedus
5. Plagueis (I have him that high, but Vitiate can occupy this spot too)
6. Vitiate

I thought you had Vitiate at no.3?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've never seen Plagueis as up there with the greats up until now. However I still wouldn't put him in my top 5 but possibly my top 10

Plagueis has some sick application of the force and incredible speed.

He is also considered to be TPM Sidious' equal who shouldn't really be that far behind ROTS Sidious so I'd say Plagueis deserves a really high spot.

Originally posted by Sinious
I thought you had Vitiate at no.3?
Yes, I had him there.

But I was rethinking some stuff and then Prime!Yoda came into picture.

I also found a new appreciation for Caedus. He might be not as powerful per se, but he has the chops to win a majority against Vitiate.

I guess I'd place Vitiate at #5 for now. Worst case scenario at #6 after Plagueis. Best case scenario at #4 if he's indeed above Caedus.

Originally posted by Sinious
Plagueis has some sick application of the force and incredible speed.

He is also considered to be TPM Sidious' equal who shouldn't really be that far behind ROTS Sidious so I'd say Plagueis deserves a really high spot.

I assume you're referring to JK Storyline Vitiate, not the current one in spirit form?

Originally posted by Sinious
I assume you're referring to JK Storyline Vitiate, not the current one in spirit form?
Yes. Spirit form Viti I'm undecided atm. He'd be higher, though.

OP specified physical prime here.

Yeah, the whole "cannot be killed by conventional methods" thing made his spirit indestructible in a regular combat situation which makes it impossible to use him in versus threads.

Agreed.

I'm pretty sure the top 3 in the Mythos are the Father, Son and Daughter tbh. Or Abeloth.

LOL, u right ma man.

I'm not your man, *******.

So much anger. So much fail.

Has any woman ever looked at you without immediately turning skywards and erupting like a vomit volcano answer me that you blistering anal-discharge.

Not all of us share the same problems you have with women, Neph,

Lol, no woman hasn't? Thats what I thought.

Now, edited so my answer is clearer. .

On a side note, I am shocked how low you have fallen tbh.

Good day, sir. You're on ignore.

Dude, it was a joke. I'm not gonna insult someone like that for real. It was obviously over the top.

Good. Show remorse and all will be forgiven.

FYI not on ignore yet, but you'd be in a fitting company, quanchi and LeGenD.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vitiate is not number one. Every time someone says that Luke and Sidious are above Vitiate you have to always stick your nose some where and question it.
This is a debating platform. Expect your assertions to be questioned. Same goes for me.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Out of the three Luke has the most raw power and by his prime when he is grandmaster he has achieved so much. He became was what Anakin was supposed to become so with that he became the most powerful force weilder of all time so with that Anakin had more raw power than Vitiate. Sidious knew that Luke would become what Aankin was supposed to be that's why he wanted him to be his apprentice.
Your assumption is baseless. Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Same is correct for Luke Skywalker. Now! Revan also had the potential to become of the most powerful Jedi ever, and he likely did:

Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

But when Revan challenged Vitiate, he was utterly outgunned.

Therefore, your reasoning isn't adequate. Being one of the most powerful Jedi ever isn't sufficient reasoning to determine a Force-user's superiority over Vitiate.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke out of his prime defeated Sidious, and along with his sister was able to cut off Palaptines connection to the force.
Luke outdueled Palpatine but this victory was temporary. If Luke's sister had not been present then Palpatine may have defeated Luke with his powers.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He has achieved Oneness.
So? This isn't a criteria for ranking, rather a plot device.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He has achieved the power to match or outright defeat the Ones, the most powerful family of force wielders ever.
So according to you, Luke can defeat even The Ones?

Here this fellas? Where is member Trocity?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He was trained by the second greatest Jedi master of all time yoda.
So? This isn't a criteria for ranking either.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He acheived the ability to live after death as a force ghost.
Yes.

However, did he acquire the capability to manipulate the Force in this form? And to what degree?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He was greater than Darth Caedus.
It can be asserted with confidence that Vitiate is greater then Darth Caedus as well. Perhaps more are.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of he can cut off palpatines connection with just his sister out of his prime imagine what he could do within his prime.
I would like to see an example in which Luke have severed the connection of a powerful Force-user to the Force.

Why he didn't sever Caedus's connection to the Force? Explain.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The two basically acheived what it at one time took an entire Jedi council to do, respectively.
The disrupted Palpatine's connection to the Force temporarily, per my understanding.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke is number one and is unquestioned.
I disagree! Luke is stated to be the most powerful Jedi of his era in several sources, and this is it.

Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die.

Taken from (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook)

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Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said..

Taken from (Star Wars: Fate Of The Jedi: Vortex)

As for Luke's amazing combat record:-

1. Exar Kun WTFpwned him
2. Shimrra Jamaane almost killed him
3. Lord Nyax overwhelmed him
4. Darth Krayt matched his raw strength (indirectly)

Go figure.

Hm, Legend, would you say the Hero of Tython is superior to Luke in overall skill/power?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hm, Legend, would you say the Hero of Tython is superior to Luke in overall skill/power?
Not yet.

Hero of Tython's story is still in progress.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude, it was a joke. I'm not gonna insult someone like that for real. It was obviously over the top. https://abookishflower.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/wink1.gif

Yeah. Pathetic excuse

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is a debating platform. Expect your assertions to be questioned. Same goes for me.


Your assertion that vitiate is the most powerful is wrong. Luke is logically the most powerful having the most raw potential and being trained by the most powerful Jedi of all time until Luke met his prime.

Your assumption is baseless. Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Same is correct for Luke Skywalker. Now! Revan also had the potential to become of the most powerful Jedi ever, and he likely did:


Luke would pawn Revan. Luke became the most powerful Jedi of all time. While Revan is powerful he is not as powerful as Luke. Anakin would have become the most powerful force weilder. Luke became the most powerful force weilder of all time and he was said to be what Anakin was supposed to be. With that Anakin was supposed to become what Luke was which was the most powerful of all time.

Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.

You seriously don't understand how quotes work. That shows he was the most powerful Jedi of his time not of all time.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

But when Revan challenged Vitiate, he was utterly outgunned.

Just askin but didn't vitiate attempt to mind control him once he failed and Revan force pushed him?

Therefore, your reasoning isn't adequate. Being one of the most powerful Jedi ever isn't sufficient reasoning to determine a Force-user's superiority over Vitiate.

Well Aankin and Luke weren't one of the most powerful ever, they were the most powerful, or Anakin would have become the most powerful if he had t gotten his body hacked up and Luke became the most powerful Firce weilder of all time as well as the most powerful Jedi. So with that Luke beats him especially if he goes into Oneness.


Luke outdueled Palpatine but this victory was temporary. If Luke's sister had not been present then Palpatine may have defeated Luke with his powers.

This is also a good showing for Luke. It took him and his sister to break Palaptines concentration. It took an entire Jedi council to stop Kun.

So? This isn't a criteria for ranking, rather a plot device.

Oneness.

So according to you, Luke can defeat even The Ones?

Well The father himself stated that only the chosen one can tame both my children and if you looked Anakin had both of them under his control. Luke obtained far greater than what Anakin received on mortis so thus he could defeat the son and the daughter.

Here this fellas? Where is member Trocity?



So? This isn't a criteria for ranking either.

Well the one other person I know that yoda himself trained was Dooku and he is amazingly powerful.

Yes.

However, did he acquire the capability to manipulate the Force in this form? And to what degree?

I would have to do more research on that. However according to Obi wan he became more powerful than vader could possibly imagine.


It can be asserted with confidence that Vitiate is greater then Darth Caedus as well. Perhaps more are.


I'm ok with opinion of Vitiate being above Caedus. That I have no problem with.

I would like to see an example in which Luke have severed the connection of a powerful Force-user to the Force.

Along with his sister he severed Palaptines.

Why he didn't sever Caedus's connection to the Force? Explain.

Am I Luke no. This is you saying why didn't he do it every time. He has done it before which shows he has the capability. As far as I know no force weilder has ever done it by themselves. However Luke did it with his sister.




The disrupted Palpatine's connection to the Force temporarily, per my understanding.


Still disrupted it.

I disagree! Luke is stated to be the most powerful Jedi of his era in several sources, and this is it.

Oh please. Most powerful Jedi of all time is more I like it. It's the most logical and reasonable response. The only other Jedi to question him would be yod and both in their primes Luke wins. Even without oneness. There definitly isn't during vitiates time tha could beat Luke. The only possible one would be Revan and even he would be beaten by Luke.

Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die.



Taken from (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook)

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Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said..

Taken from (Star Wars: Fate Of The Jedi: Vortex)

The only Jedi again who would question Luke for this spot would be Yoda and Revan. Luke no doubt passed yoda and yoda was no doubt more powerful than Rwvan. I hate to use ABC logic but there you go.

As for Luke's amazing combat record:-

1. Exar Kun WTFpwned him
2. Shimrra Jamaane almost killed him
3. Lord Nyax overwhelmed him
4. Darth Krayt matched his raw strength (indirectly)

Go figure.

The only part I'm going to respond to for that response is you list. Thai list is way off. Vitiate being number one is a joke. Sidiosu stays in his second place. Switch Luke and Vitiate. Yoda stays in fourth. So the list should be this.

Luke,Skywalker

Darth Sidious

Yoda

Caedus

Vitiate

Caedus and vitiate can be changed. All depends on your view but spots 1 and 2 are unquestioned that Luke and Sidious hold those spots.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The only part I'm going to respond to for that response is you list. Thai list is way off. Vitiate being number one is a joke. Sidiosu stays in his second place. Switch Luke and Vitiate. Yoda stays in fourth. So the list should be this.

Luke,Skywalker

Darth Sidious

Yoda

Caedus

Vitiate

Caedus and vitiate can be changed. All depends on your view but spots 1 and 2 are unquestioned that Luke and Sidious hold those spots.