Silver Surfer vs Proginator

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cdtm
Element Lad from when he was dumped at the start of the universe, and slowly became an insane god over countless eons.

Who wins?

Zack M
Progenitor turns surfer to salt.

"Id"
Cant the Surfer just drain him. The Omniphagos did a number on him.

cdtm
Originally posted by "Id"
Cant the Surfer just drain him. The Omniphagos did a number on him.

That Omniphagos was hyped as a Galactus style cosmic threat, though.

On the other hand, Norrin did drain off Uni Lord, who claimed he created life himself..

"Id"
If Surfer did not have an awesome feat. Yeah he has no hope of winning.

Than again its one awsome feat. He did fail to drain Ego.

Board Walker
Universal power house versus high herald?

Surfer loses horribly.

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
That Omniphagos was hyped as a Galactus style cosmic threat, though.

On the other hand, Norrin did drain off Uni Lord, who claimed he created life himself..
Unilord saga is not canon to 616 surfer.

cdtm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Unilord saga is not canon to 616 surfer.

It's not?

Didn't it used to be?

cdtm
http://marvel.wikia.com/Vartu_(Earth-616)

According to this, Uni-Lords counsel is 616.

First I'm hearing that the Uni Lord saga isn't canon.

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
It's not?

Didn't it used to be?
It never was. 616 surfer failed to enter Unilord universe.

cdtm
Where did you get that information?

And who was the Surfer in the story, then? Isn't there more story after that Surfer crosses the universe and drains off his uni power? Is everything in that run also non canon, then?

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
Where did you get that information?

And who was the Surfer in the story, then? Isn't there more story after that Surfer crosses the universe and drains off his uni power? Is everything in that run also non canon, then?
I actually read the comic.


Here both watcher and surfer confirm that he failed to enter the other universe.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg

Surfer confirms it in Spider Man team up 2 written by George Perez.

http://i.imgur.com/RGbIVH2.jpg

Its not 616 surfer.
It's a what if scenario.
Originally posted by abhilegend



First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

One-Punch
Except at the end of the Uni-Lord saga, SS# 121, we see Surfer exit the rift and land in front of Beta Ray Bill and Quasar.
http://s15.postimg.org/60pg8866v/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p22.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/86ocggz13/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p23.jpg

SS#122 (which is the next story arc, and canon) picks off exactly where SS#122 (end of the Uni-lord Saga) leaves off, with Surfer in front of Beta Ray Bill and Quasar.
http://s10.postimg.org/ro9e97n1h/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

If the Uni-Lord Saga was a what-if, then the next story arc would've started with Surfer and the Watcher and not with Surfer with BRB and Quasar, since he supposedly "failed" to enter the rift.

Yet that would contradict continuity.

Galan007
Jan wins.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Except at the end of the Uni-Lord saga, SS# 121, we see Surfer exit the rift and land in front of Beta Ray Bill and Quasar.
http://s15.postimg.org/60pg8866v/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p22.jpghttp://s15.postimg.org/86ocggz13/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p23.jpg

SS#122 (which is the next story arc, and canon) picks off exactly where SS#122 (end of the Uni-lord Saga) leaves off, with Surfer in front of Beta Ray Bill and Quasar.
http://s10.postimg.org/ro9e97n1h/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

If the Uni-Lord Saga was a what-if, then the next story arc would've started with Surfer and the Watcher and not with Surfer with BRB and Quasar, since he supposedly "failed" to enter the rift.

Yet that would contradict continuity.
Do you read your own scans?

Because here Quasar flat out tells us that a silver beam struck surfer while he was already with them.

http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Surfer never exited the rift. A communication bolt hit him.

erm

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you read your own scans?

Because here Quasar flat out tells us that a silver beam struck surfer while he was already with them.

http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Surfer never exited the rift. A communication bolt hit him.

erm
That wouldn't make any sense Abhi, why would a communication bolt come out of the rift when 1.) first at that point of the story the Unilord Universe no longer exist, as in destroyed and was replaced by Unilord Surfer's Universe where there is no longer a need to find a saviour, which is the purpose of the communication bolt. 2.) There is not a single hint in that arc that suggest more comm. device was sent after initial lunch. 3.) What would the purpose be in hitting Surfer with a comm. device a second time @ near or end of the arc to conclude the story. One thing is clear and Is supported by evidence, that there was only one being to ever enter the rift at the side of the Unilord Universe, the Unilord Silver Surfer speading through the breach to make it through 616 Universe side. A simple conclusion suggesting that the very same person shown to enter the rift should be same one to exit it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
That wouldn't make any sense Abhi, why would a communication bolt come out of the rift when 1.) first at that point of the story the Unilord Universe no longer exist, as in destroyed and was replaced by Unilord Surfer's Universe where there is no longer a need to find a saviour, which is the purpose of the communication bolt. 2.) There is not a single hint in that arc that suggest more comm. device was sent after initial lunch. 3.) What would the purpose be in hitting Surfer with a comm. device a second time @ near or end of the arc to conclude the story. One thing is clear and Is supported by evidence, that there was only one being to ever enter the rift at the side of the Unilord Universe, the Unilord Silver Surfer speading through the breach to make it through 616 Universe side. A simple conclusion suggesting that the very same person shown to enter the rift should be same one to exit it.
The entire arc didn't make any sense.

There you go.

And we've been over this roldz. I don't want to rehash this. Quasar flat out said that the bolt was the same he sensed about five weeks ago.

No need for speculations.

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
The entire arc didn't make any sense.

There you go.

And we've been over this roldz. I don't want to rehash this. Quasar flat out said that the bolt was the same he sensed about five weeks ago.

No need for speculations.
See this here is where the problem lies Abhi, you not fully grasping the story behind that arc therefore you fill in the messing part that made no sense to you, speculating and twisting it to fit your clouded claim..

Yes! We've been over this and its getting old however i feel the need to correct your argument base on you not fully understanding or to put it on your own words "not making sense" of the story in that arc. Here let me feel it in for you: Code 1-1-1 is Unilord Silver Surfer (Silver Surfer merging with outrider 7) So when 616 Silver Surfer uttered 1-1-1, his referring to Unilord Silver Surfer and not another communication bolt.

Here's final evidence that should fully put you communication bolt claim to rest:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/SS_v3_111_16b.jpg

There where only 10 sent and only 1 survived..

To conclude, the Silver comet bolt that came out the rift is Unilord Silver Surfer who then merge with 616 version, making the whole Unilord Saga canon and just because it is what it is, its not going to make Supe's any lower big grin .

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
See this here is where the problem lies Abhi, you not fully grasping the story behind that arc therefore you fill in the messing part that made no sense to you, speculating and twisting it to fit your clouded claim..


Or you don't want to believe what's written in the comic.

GTFO. Quasar flat out tells that this is the same communication bolt he sensed five weeks ago. No, that's before another was sent.

laughing out loud

Quasar's words supersedes yours roldz. I don't give a **** about what you say until you provide a concrete proof. Unilord saga is non canon.

thumb up

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
Or you don't want to believe what's written in the comic.

GTFO. Quasar flat out tells that this is the same communication bolt he sensed five weeks ago. No, that's before another was sent.

laughing out loud

Quasar's words supersedes yours roldz. I don't give a **** about what you say until you provide a concrete proof. Unilord saga is non canon.

thumb up
It made perfect sense to me, it was you that was specific about it not making sense therefore fully not understanding the whole Unilord story arc.

Where did it say the same Abhi? Quasar said "similar", A similar outrider that he sense five weeks ago, Outrider 5 interface 1-0-0 and outrider 4 interfaced 1-0-1 for BRB. The huge silver ball of a comet that came out the rift, the one being debated is Unilord Silver Surfer interfaced 1-1-1 (SS V3 # 111, Surfer merging with outrider 7 - proof) This is the reason why 616 Silver Surfer uttered 1-1-1 @ before and after merging with Unilord Silver Surfer @ end of Unilord Arc.

"Another was sent??" Provide proof that there was a 11th outrider made, explain why 616 Silver Surfer keep repeating 1-1-1 if that silver comet is another outrider? And how is Quasar word proof of your claim? Remember he didn't say the same but rather similar. The evidence provided by me via scan, stated that there where 10 sent and only 1 survive, this is concrete proof.

Again you not fully making any sense of the story is why your not understanding the Unilord arc, add that to your hatred of the character involved gives reason for speculation and twisting to suit your claim. The Unilord saga is canon and concrete proof via scan has been given to you, you need to counter it or give valid evidence to lay claim to your point, something very lacking on your argument.

Ambient
Double post..

Ambient
Anyhow ill stop here - it looks like u got a big BZone going on. 😅

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
It made perfect sense to me, it was you that was specific about it not making sense therefore fully not understanding the whole Unilord story arc.

Well, you're a surfer fan after all.

So? Surfer encountered the communication bolt again? How does that makes any sense again? And why would Quasar would say its similar to a communication bolt if its "uni lord surfer" as you're talking about for years now?

Because its in the actual comic and not your wild guess. No, it isn't. Outrider seven assumed that other didn't survive.

"Assumed" is the key word.

Or flat out words from surfer and watcher saying that he never entered the unilord universe and Surfer failing to remember anything from Unilord universe ever.

I've already proved its non canon. You're just speculating at this point with nothing to back your claim.

Just like always.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Anyhow ill stop here - it looks like u got a big BZone going on. 😅
I'm not even concerned about that tbh.

Zack M
We all agree Jan wins, right?

abhilegend
Was that ever in question?

Zack M
Nope.

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not even concerned about that tbh.

Aight!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, you're a surfer fan after all.

I din't say I was not and the very reason i fully grasp and understand the story behind the Unilord arc, as oppose to you, "The entire arc didn't make any sense". How are we suppose to take your claim seriously when you yourself state, you don't get it.



This is what I'm talking about, you not fully grasping the story behind that arc. Let me fill you in, 616 Silver Surfer first encountered outrider 7 ( code 1-1-1) in SS V3 # 111 merging with it, but he failed to cross the rift in SS V3 #112. This is where Unilord story line really begins, Unilord Silver Surfer (1-1-1) that made it through the rift and into Unilord Universe, the same Unilord Surfer that went again through the same rift to go back to 616 and came out merging with 616 Surfer completing the circle. Makes perfect sense to me.



You do know that this communication bolt you speak of are living beings right, for Outrider 7, it was Oclin's then Unilord Silver Surfer took over after mergence.



Yes! Since he couldn't contact them he concluded that everyone other than him was destroyed. A valid proof as there is no evident indication in the whole story arc that another one survived.

Another thing for you to note, 616 Surfer uttering 1-1-1 during approach of Silver Comet, designate Unilord Silver Surfer.



You mean the one prior to completion of the Unilord story arc. That would be like showing evidence to Death of Superman arc, that claim Superman never fought Doomsday by presenting the fight with JLA against Doomsday and forgetting the rest that comes afterward - Ridiculous isn't it..

Because it hurts his head when he tries to remember it, as stated in the end of that arc..



What proof?

You posted evidence of a scene base on series that has not finish its course. Spiderman team up #2 happened prior to the end of the Unilord Story - SS V3 # 121 - to which Unilord Silver Surfer (1-1-1) come out of the rift to 616 Universe merging with 616 Silver Surfer the end of that arc.

You have absolute no proof that the silver comet was another comm. bolt? And what off 616 Surfer uttering binary 1-1-1?

Originally posted by Ambient
Again you not fully making any sense of the story is why your not understanding the Unilord arc, add that to your hatred of the character involved gives reason for speculation and twisting to suit your claim. The Unilord saga is canon and concrete proof via scan has been given to you, you need to counter it or give valid evidence to lay claim to your point, something very lacking on your argument.

One Big Mob
Ouch.

You just restricted Abhi with that post Ambam!

quanchi112
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ouch.

You just restricted Abhi with that post Ambam! thumb up

Ambient
big grin ..

Maybe you guys should bump old threads and do the same.. lol's

Zack M
Originally posted by Ambient
big grin ..

Maybe you guys should bump old threads and do the same.. lol's

Getting back on topic, who do you think wins?

Ambient
I don't know squat about Proginator, so really can't answer the question.. Sorry yes

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Aight!



I din't say I was not and the very reason i fully grasp and understand the story behind the Unilord arc, as oppose to you, "The entire arc didn't make any sense". How are we suppose to take your claim seriously when you yourself state, you don't get it.


Is this for serious? The arc is confusing and I said it didn't made any sense.

That doesn't means I didn't understand it goober Jr.

Don't give a shit about your wild theories. Post a single proof that it was Unilord surfer and not an outrider signal as Quasar said on panel. I'll wait. Yes. And it was similar as the previous one as per Quasar.

Not silver surfer. Like Quasar flat out saying so. No, it was an outrider signal. Or claiming Superman had powers of Two supermen as he was once split into two superman by black kryptonite and then merged back.

Oh right, we have on panel proof for that. For surfer, nothing but your whining.

He never remembered it even after that. Even after he got all his memories unlocked in 1947.



On panel of course. For that you have to first prove it was silver surfer. As shown in the end of SS 120,he was on a planet witnessing the birth of his universe. Not riding the cosmic swell.

Similar bolt as an outrider as stated in plain letters by Quasar.

Unlike your h1a8-esque theories that is.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ouch.

You just restricted Abhi with that post Ambam!
Hey look, bran is trying to be funny again.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey look, bran is trying to be funny again.

Wow, you really aren't willing to admit you are wrong about it being cannon?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, you really aren't willing to admit you are wrong about it being cannon?
For that, I actually have to be wrong.

Which I'm not, numbnuts.

whereistony
Originally posted by abhilegend
For that, I actually have to be wrong.

Which I'm not, numbnuts.


Yeah, it was established in #114 Surfer did not make it and the whole thing is basically a what if...

MrMind
Originally posted by whereistony
Yeah, it was established in #114 Surfer did not make it and the whole thing is basically a what if...

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