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Look like a tough fight for both.

Which Captain America?

Rogers pre Bucky and Falcon

Rogers has the skill edge, but Bishop can absorb the kinetic energy of Steve's blows.

I'd say if Steve fights smart, he should be able to choke Bishop out for a 10-count.

So slight majority to Captain American.

How is Bishop's power working, exactly?

Always thought it was just the energy absorption. I mean, he's nowhere near Sebastian Shaw or even Strong Guy levels in absorbing punches and stuff.

Steve beats him down to the point that he makes Bishop look like a rookie IMO.

Wouldn't choking someone still be putting out some energy? After all you are applying force via squeezing.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wouldn't choking someone still be putting out some energy? After all you are applying force via squeezing.

But his powers are turned off in this fight. It's strictly H2H.

Cap.

Originally posted by Stoic
But his powers are turned off in this fight. It's strictly H2H.

Actually, golem never said they are turned off.

And Bishop is not Shaw anyway...

Originally posted by Stoic
But his powers are turned off in this fight. It's strictly H2H.

I don't know why you think his powers are turned off. You might be able to make a case he doesn't absorb kinetic energy like someone said.

Cap fought the Aquarian, who has a (very powerful) Null Field. He disabled him with an aikido hold that didnt expend energy.
He could do the same to Bishop.

Yeah, I was about to mention that.

Thing is... he doesn't really have to.

Lol...Bishop stomps.

^^^Powers on, Cap has fought and beaten worse. Powers off, Bishop us out classed. How does he stomp in YO?

Bishop can't absorb kinetic energy.

If he can then they've been crazy inconsistent with it, since he's gotten his ass kicked many, many times.

Exactly.

It's sad when KMCers just google characters for basic info about their powersets and nothing more.

Bishop holds every single advantage in this fight (with powers on) and he's also an amazing fighter. Hell, he sparred better against Wolverine than any top tier Martial artist I've seen.

Uh...huh. Agree to really(x30 million or so) disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
Bishop holds every single advantage in this fight (with powers on) and he's also an amazing fighter. Hell, he sparred better against Wolverine than any top tier Martial artist I've seen.

So above Iron Fist et al?

Hmm. Ok.

Originally posted by carver9
Bishop holds every single advantage in this fight (with powers on) and he's also an amazing fighter. Hell, he sparred better against Wolverine than any top tier Martial artist I've seen.

He has studied Wolverine, that is why.

He actually holds Wolverine in high regard:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4956/43772697.th.jpg

Every advantage, other than strength, speed, durability, etc

Fighting skill, agility, stamina

Don't think too many people know about Bishop.

Lol then enlighten us of these pure h2h feats that outshine Cap's.

Yeah, i'm not trying to be dickish but thats going to be a long wait.

Powers on the fight us more interesting but thats about it.

Powers on, he will barely absorb anything, not enough to matter...

Again, it's not Strong Guy or Shaw we're discussing about here. Like Kris said - IF he does have kinetic absorption feats, then it's def not many + inconsistent as hell.

If he DOES have those kinetic energy feats that can best the likes of Cap, then once again, here we wait for those scans. Just a reminder, Cap took what freaking Gambit threw at him and beat the brakes off him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
If he DOES have those kinetic energy feats that can best the likes of Cap, then once again, here we wait for those scans.

Cap, the guy who did this to THE premier energy absorber/nullifier:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/190997768_a3f6b8a41a.jpg

Few writers have tried expanding his powers, like the time when he was meditating outside and absorbing the snowflakes that came in contact with him...

From wiki.

Basically, if Bishop doesn't start with a decent amount of energy stored in his body, he's screwed. And he does NOT prep himself like Shaw does - who lets his men beat up on him and hits the walls to build up the energy reserves.

My opinion has nothing to do with absorption. I'm basing my judgement cleanly off of his showings. Bishop is a legit class 50 with high end durability and superb fighting skill. Everyone and their grandma knows he can only absorb energy attacks. He isn't Sebastian Shaw or Strong Guy (who can only absorb so much before his heart gives out on him). He still stomps here though.

Originally posted by carver9
Bishop is a legit class 50

...

facepalm

That's it. I think I'm gonna log out.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
...

facepalm

That's it. I think I'm gonna log out.



Bishop uprooted a huge tree out of the ground and swung it around like it was paper.

Class 50 haermm

Originally posted by carver9


Bishop uprooted a huge tree out of the ground and swung it around like it was paper.

Erm....he doesn't start out like that, does he?

^lol Cap is a horrible matchup for Bishop.

Bishop absorbs a punch to the face and gets knocked out in the process.

Originally posted by carver9


Bishop uprooted a huge tree out of the ground and swung it around like it was paper.

Do post the scans. Or at least give the issue number or the comic title.

But anyway... it's a safe bet he did that either thanks to his bionic arm - which he does NOT have anymore - or he had some decent energy reserves.

Bishop has a robot arm to right which guy him some strength in Captain America level?

He lost the arm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....he doesn't start out like that, does he?

Why doesn't he?

Originally posted by carver9
Why doesn't he?

http://i61.tinypic.com/2rcs6fp.jpg

This is getting just better and better.......

Lol...just forget it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...just forget it.

Post the scan.

It is too late. This thread got carved up beyond repair.

Gave me diarrhoea, too. Brb.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It is too late. This thread got carved up beyond repair.

Gave me diarrhoea, too. Brb.

Seriously, this is some serious shit. You should get at least a temp ban for that, carv.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Seriously, this is some serious shit. You should get at least a temp ban for that, carv.

Lol...naah, I think you are unaware of his fts.

Do enlighten me then. Along with the detailed explanation of his powers and their consistency.

http://i57.tinypic.com/rwukom.jpg

carver9 vs. StiltmanFTW, the newest season finally on DVD&Blu-ray!

Wasn't that bionic arm of bishops nuclear powered? I vaguely remember it during the whole messiah thing

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Powers on, he will barely absorb anything, not enough to matter...

Again, it's not Strong Guy or Shaw we're discussing about here. Like Kris said - IF he does have kinetic absorption feats, then it's def not many + inconsistent as hell.
Oh i know. If i gave the impression i didnt i apologize.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...just forget it.

Post the scan where Bishop uproots a tree and treats it like paper, please. I've never seen the feat (serious post here).

Carver is talking out of his ass again, I see.

I tried looking up the tree scan; couldnt find it.
Its just curiosity though. I really dont see the feat changing my mind.

Even if it is true the feat marvel under American Eagle bio said it took someone lifting 15 tons to do it.

Is it true, though? Was there context to it (his mechanical arm which he no longer has, was he amped by energy beforehand)? So many questions which haven't been answered.

There is no scan of it but a description of a feat from respect thread

Current Bishop uses his power to throw an 18 wheeler

Originally posted by golem370
There is no scan of it but a description of a feat from respect thread

Current Bishop uses his power to throw an 18 wheeler

Have you got the scan?

Edit: just found it. Yeah, he had to charge up. In this fight, he doesn't. Shaw PREPS everyday, hitting himself over and over and over to charge himself up. Bishop doesn't.

Absent any external source to amp him up, he doesn't get it. No one would suggest, for example, that Superman starts every fight sundipped.

No sorry

Originally posted by golem370
No sorry

It's cool, I have it.

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/bishop2gu7.jpg

Don't think he still has that arm, plus, the charging.

Correct, he doesn't have the bionic arm anymore. Already said that to golem:

Originally posted by golem370
Bishop has a robot arm to right which guy him some strength in Captain America level?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He lost the arm.

Pic:

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130415065924/marveldatabase/images/6/65/Lucas_Bishop_(Earth-616)_004.jpg

I think carver's lying

Carver?! Lying?!

IMPOSSIBRU

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You don't know Bishops's capabilities. None of us do. Only carver does, apparently.

Even Golem's Google-fu was unable to find it.

Carver is probably still thinking about that time when Bishop beat the living shit out of Martian Manjobber.

Problem is...

1) Access crossover is not canon.

2) He's called Manjobber for a reason, what did you expect?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver is probably still thinking about that time when Bishop beat the living shit out of Martian Manjobber.

Problem is...

1) Access crossover is not canon.

2) He's called Manjobber for a reason, what did you expect?

Well, that IS a low showing for MM. Losing to a Class 50? Sad.

What kind of energy do bullets put out?

kinetic I think

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, that IS a low showing for MM. Losing to a Class 50? Sad.

No, a low showing for MM is getting terrorized by normal people from suburbs, for example.

Like Batman in the New Frontier said - "with you, all I need is a penny and a book of matches". J'onn is a nobody.