Dark Phoenix Vs Michael Korvac (The Enemy)

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Ionceknewu
We know Dark Phoenix is more powerful than a herald of Galactus, we know she eats stars, we know she is not quite Galactus.

Michael Korvac we know he is more powerful than a herald of Galactus, we know he is not quite Galactus.

leonidas
not quite galactus...? confused

anyway, this is enormously close imo. maybe korvac...or maybe phoenix. hmmm

zopzop
Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, this is enormously close imo. maybe korvac...or maybe phoenix. hmmm

Magnon
Originally posted by Ionceknewu
we know she is not quite Galactus.
Do we know this from the fact that Phoenix has seemingly humiliated Galactus and no-sold his power every time they've had a fight?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1377177-phoenix_rachel_vs_galactus_07.jpg
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2013/07/GalactusPhoenix_0002.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1377171-phoenix_jean_vs_galactus_08.jpg

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Magnon
Do we know this from the fact that Phoenix has seemingly humiliated Galactus and no-sold his power every time they've had a fight?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1377177-phoenix_rachel_vs_galactus_07.jpg
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2013/07/GalactusPhoenix_0002.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1377171-phoenix_jean_vs_galactus_08.jpg

Are you really saying Dark Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus?

Magnon
Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Are you really saying Dark Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus?

Yes. Slightly.

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Magnon
Yes. Slightly.

Magnon would you like to show what happens next in each case? Particularly Galactus' speech and Phoenix's behaviour after the last scan?

zopzop
Originally posted by Magnon
Do we know this from the fact that Phoenix has seemingly humiliated Galactus and no-sold his power every time they've had a fight?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1377177-phoenix_rachel_vs_galactus_07.jpg
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2013/07/GalactusPhoenix_0002.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1377171-phoenix_jean_vs_galactus_08.jpg
1) Galactus was hungry in that fight
2) That would have been a good fight but Rachel decided it wasn't worth it if the planet was destroyed in the aftermath of their fight and gave up willingly. He also took her by surprise, they had just returned from the "Cross Time Caper" quests.
3) That's from a What If

The more important scans are these :
http://s10.postimg.org/oco6mby1h/uncannyxmen19800713508gi1.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/eqkgnwf5f/1791786_dark_phoenix_vs_xmen_08_super.jpg
She just transformed into Dark Phoenix and she was weak and hungry (according to her own words) and already Reed stated that her power level could rival Galactus (Reed would know).

Ionceknewu
Sorry, what happened in the only full on battle Phoenix had with Galactus?

Magnon
Originally posted by zopzop
The more important scans are these :
(snip)
thumb up

And let's not forget the Shi'ar assessment of Dark Phoenix in comparison to Galactus:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3103779-1791791-xmtdps133rf2_001.jpg

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Magnon
thumb up

And let's not forget the Shi'ar assessment of Dark Phoenix in comparison to Galactus:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3103779-1791791-xmtdps133rf2_001.jpg

We know Galactus could consume everything also from FF and in fact he was going to. It took, Thor, Deathshead II and the FF to stop him being used for that. It was actually happening and not hyperbole.

zopzop
Originally posted by Ionceknewu
We know Galactus could consume everything also from FF and in fact he was going to. It took, Thor, Deathshead II and the FF to stop him being used for that. It was actually happening and not hyperbole.
That Galactus was altered by the power of the Black Celestial. So.....

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by zopzop
That Galactus was altered by the power of the Black Celestial. So.....

Are you saying Galactus is not as powerful as a Celestial? That Galactus was a 616 Galactus originally, the TVA of 616 were involved and 616 supporting cast. Now, he was altered yes, in the sense he was not be satiated by the energy he was feeding on. We know he can release Galactus wave energy so we know he can give out power faster than he feeds. No Black Celestial is needed. Back to topic, do you think Phoenix would beat Korvac?

zopzop
Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Are you saying Galactus is not as powerful as a Celestial? That Galactus was a 616 Galactus originally, the TVA of 616 were involved and 616 supporting cast. Now, he was altered yes, in the sense he was not be satiated by the energy he was feeding on. We know he can release Galactus wave energy so we know he can give out power faster than he feeds. No Black Celestial is needed. Back to topic, do you think Phoenix would beat Korvac?
Fact is, the only reason Galactus' hunger was at that level in that arc was because as Galactus was recovering on Earth, the Dreaming Celestial (while he was imprisoned by the way) altered Galactus' physiology and Galactus was powerless to stop it.
http://s1.postimg.org/42nycv523/ff340_244.jpg

Back on topic, I'm in agreement with Leo, it could go either way.

EDIT - edited to include image

tkitna
Yeah, to close to call. Good matchup.

GalacticStorm
Depends on what you mean by Dark Phoenix. Do you mean Jean Grey within the Dark Phoenix saga or simply a Phoenix host corrupted by the power? Because that's all a Dark Phoenix is.

A Phoenix host is hooked up to the limitless energy of the Phoenix Force. Whereas Galactus whilst powerful has limited energy reserves, that he is constantly burning through hence his endless hunger. He can absorb the energy of a planet, keep up with another cosmic power for a short period then hes quickly burned through his reserves and back to square one. Hes limited by his need for external sustenance:

https://imageshack.com/i/0hquasar24011j

In a forum battle whereby we're free to refer to the full extent of the characters powerset and how they would use them within their featured personalities Dark Phoenix would beat the average Galactus the majority of the time and by extension Michael Korvac.

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is, the only reason Galactus' hunger was at that level in that arc was because as Galactus was recovering on Earth, the Dreaming Celestial (while he was imprisoned by the way) altered Galactus' physiology and Galactus was powerless to stop it.
http://s1.postimg.org/42nycv523/ff340_244.jpg

Back on topic, I'm in agreement with Leo, it could go either way.

EDIT - edited to include image

I didn't disagree with the reason for his hunger.Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Depends on what you mean by Dark Phoenix. Do you mean Jean Grey within the Dark Phoenix saga or simply a Phoenix host corrupted by the power? Because that's all a Dark Phoenix is.

A Phoenix host is hooked up to the limitless energy of the Phoenix Force. Whereas Galactus whilst powerful has limited energy reserves, that he is constantly burning through hence his endless hunger. He can absorb the energy of a planet, keep up with another cosmic power for a short period then hes quickly burned through his reserves and back to square one. Hes limited by his need for external sustenance:

https://imageshack.com/i/0hquasar24011j

In a forum battle whereby we're free to refer to the full extent of the characters powerset and how they would use them within their featured personalities Dark Phoenix would beat the average Galactus the majority of the time and by extension Michael Korvac. Phoenix hosts and by default Dark Phoenix have far more low showings than Galactus and ergo Korvac.

Surtur
Originally posted by Magnon
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2013/07/GalactusPhoenix_0002.jpg

Obviously not a win for Phoenix, Galactus clearly stepped in some splooge and just slipped and fell down.

Genii96
Originally posted by zopzop
That Galactus was altered by the power of the Black Celestial. So.....
His hunger was altered,not his power

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Genii96
His hunger was altered,not his power Exactly

Genii96
Didn't galactus also catch the PF and stuff her in his ship to use as a personal snack?,but didn't due to the stars begining to die?. The only confrontation I remember them having is when he was hungry

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Genii96
Didn't galactus also catch the PF and stuff her in his ship to use as a personal snack?,but didn't due to the stars begining to die?. The only confrontation I remember them having is when he was hungry I never read that but it's a good plot.

Magnon
Originally posted by Genii96
Didn't galactus also catch the PF and stuff her in his ship to use as a personal snack?,but didn't due to the stars begining to die?. The only confrontation I remember them having is when he was hungry
Nah. After Rachel had demonstrated that Galactus -- a prepped Galactus helped by his herald, no less -- couldn't defeat her in combat, she surrendered in order to save innocent lives and strapped herself voluntarily to Galactus' elemental converter:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1260568-phoenix_excalibur_galactus_06.jpg

Dark Phoenix wouldn't share her concern for collateral damage.

Ionceknewu
Originally posted by Magnon
Nah. After Rachel had demonstrated that Galactus -- a prepped Galactus helped by his herald, no less -- couldn't defeat her in combat, she surrendered in order to save innocent lives and strapped herself voluntarily to Galactus' elemental converter:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56904/1260568-phoenix_excalibur_galactus_06.jpg

Dark Phoenix wouldn't share her concern for collateral damage.

That's a somewhat biased interpretation.

ODG
Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Sorry, what happened in the only full on battle Phoenix had with Galactus? What happened? A fair amount of context that renders the fight unusable in this thread as it's Dark Phoenix here.

No Dark Phoenix has ever showed an ability to continually amp itself off the "sea of life yet unborn," which is the only reason the Phoenix defeated a hungry Galactus after hours (possibly days) of fighting.

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