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I haven't made a thread in a while but here here is the question.

Written properly and not being a jobber how strong physically is the Juggernaut?Is he close the current Superman is strength?

I pretty much get all of my information from here or other online sites. I was a huge Juggernaut fan as a kid but I never actually read any of his comics then. Was too poor to even afford comics living in shelters, ect ect ect.

So I just wanted to know just how strong is the Juggernaut when written properly.

IMO somewhere between Thor and Hulk

Thanks but how does that compare to Superman? Some people think Thor and Superman are similar in strength. Some people think Thor is stronger or Superman is stronger.

So maybe a better question. If Superman is 100 then what would the Juggernaut be?

Here is another for you lets say the current Juggernaut has the same strength level is Juggernaut from the 8th day Saga. Then he is stronger than Superman?

Thanks ahead of time for any responses I get.

I would say Thor is weaker then Juggs and Juggs is weaker then Superman.

You believe Superman is still more powerful if the Juggernaut is at 8th day levels or above?

I should of made a thread about how many punches would it take classic Juggernaut to knocked out Superman if he just stood their bracing for the punches and how many would it take 8th day to knock him out.

Juggernaut was pushing WW Hulk back but some people will say Hulks wasn't angry yet. Juggernaut had the upper hand in each of his fights with Thor (besides the time Thor lowered the Juggernaut's force field and some how made Juggernaut's durability go away).

So I know he is suppose to be this powerful brick but his strength feats compared to other bricks are pretty low.

8th day Juggernaut was stronger classic Juggernaut. IMO Juggernauts powers making unstoppable while moving is what pushed Hulk not Juggernaut's strength. If Superman is 100 I think Classic Juggernaut is 85-90 and 8th day is upper 90s

Based on the following showing, I'm inclined to think Thor is slightly stronger than Classic Juggernaut. Note that, within 60 seconds time, Thor is only a few blows away from knocking Juggernaut out and is, at any rate, completely dominating Juggernaut. Note this occurs once Thor has magically negated Jug's forcefield for those 60 seconds, leaving us, theoretically, with a more or less pure strength versus strength showing. Unless you believe what looks like an undisciplined brawl is actually a showcase of superior fistcuff skill from Thor. I suppose it's possible to argue that, too:



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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
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In contrast to the case of CLASSIC Juggernaut versus Thor, however,
I'd say 8TH DAY Juggernaut is stronger than Thor.

If this link provided by someone on the comic book battle board is any indication, 8th Day Juggernaut is not only strong enough to overpower Thor in a contest of arms, but could even bearhug Thor so thoroughly into submission Thor feared for his life:


http://z3.************.com/ComicBookBattleBoard/ar/t303.htm

Darn it. Board is making that link inoperable for some reason.

Well, let me list it here without the parsing to people can copy and paste the address and hopefully access it THAT way ...


http://z3.************.com/ComicBookBattleBoard/ar/t303.htm

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Alright. I get the message.

That website is not allowed here.




Well, as an alternate, Google "8th day Juggernaut" and "Thor" as search terms.

The first hit on Google Images should confirm what I related above.

The book Thor fought Ruler Juggernaut something like kill or destroy blow the Thor true if i let it hit me or i can dodge it to me make me think think juggs is more powerful imo.

I think Juggernaut is one of the strongest being on the planet.

I would say between 200-1000 tons. Probably 600 tons on average. His unstoppable enchantment makes him seem stronger than he is.

Originally posted by golem370
The book Thor fought Ruler Juggernaut something like kill or destroy blow the Thor true if i let it hit me or i can dodge it to me make me think think juggs is more powerful imo.





Could you ... re-translate what you typed above for me, please?

It's all subjective as with dealing with most high end bricks...he's strong enough to contend with supes that's about it

Banner was talking high of Juggernaut. Some comics portray him as completely unstoppable with God like strength and some portray him as not so great (which applies to all characters as well). On average, Jugs is high end and his strength is in the elite tier, easily.

Originally posted by carver9
Banner was talking high of Juggernaut. Some comics portray him as completely unstoppable with God like strength and some portray him as not so great (which applies to all characters as well). On average, Jugs is high end and his strength is in the elite tier, easily. I disagree. He has no feats over 1000 tons. Elite tier has planetary feats. Juggs doesn't even have mountain level feats. His unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength which makes him seem elite

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. He has no feats over 1000 tons. Elite tier has planetary feats. Juggs doesn't even have mountain level feats. His unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength which makes him seem elite

Doomsday, Mongul, and Darkseid doesn't have mountain level fts either. Post scans if they do. With that said, do you agree that they are under the 1000 ft weight class?

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid doesn't have mountain level fts either.

Really nigga?

Juggs is like Thor and Hulk class 100. His enhancement gives him the edge but without it pure strength I would say Hulk >= Thor >= Juggernaut, it's close.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Really nigga?

I believe all of them are high tier when it comes to strength, but, H1, oh H1...his logic is flawed.

Originally posted by carver9
I believe all of them are high tier when it comes to strength, but, H1, oh H1...his logic is flawed.

You just said Darksied doesn't have any mountain level feats

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You just said Darksied doesn't have any mountain level feats

Which strength ft does he have?

Originally posted by carver9
Which strength ft does he have?

Destroying a planet with high father.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Destroying a planet with high father.

Lol...a blast was done during that showing. He/they didn't physically destroy a planet. You can prove me wrong though. We clearly see an attack destroy the planet outside of physical means.

I wasnt really talking about feats Because various characters who are strong aren't shown lifting heavy objects by it is implied they can.

I believe in the second Thor vs Juggernaut fight when Juggernaut attempted to lift Thor's hammer and couldn't he said at the very least he is as strong as Thor. His durability has nothing to do with lifting.

Also doing the 8th day arc when he was fighting against...I can't think of the characters name. But in caption they had this was the greatest physical battle that ever took place on Earth.

Whatever the Hulk could lift logic would dictate the Juggernaut could lift as well. Marvel has state The Juggernaut is one of the strongest people on Marvel Earth.

The only time Hulk ever over powered Juggernaut was doing the War Hulk arc and that was because of Celestial technology not his own power.

Also Juggernaut has stated in one of their fights that he considered Hulk his equal in strength. The character would know and if Marvel had him stating his then it is canon and true until they have him say other wise.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...a blast was done during that showing. He/they didn't physically destroy a planet. You can prove me wrong though. We clearly see an attack destroy the planet outside of physical means.

You didn't say strength feats

You just said feats.

Make sure your more clear next time

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. He has no feats over 1000 tons. Elite tier has planetary feats. Juggs doesn't even have mountain level feats. His unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength which makes him seem elite

Here was go with this shit.....

Originally posted by Werewolf582
You didn't say strength feats

You just said feats.

Make sure your more clear next time

Um, NO, he clear said strength feats. Try reading.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Um, NO, he clear said strength feats. Try reading.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday, Mongul, and Darkseid doesn't have mountain level fts either.

Irony.

Read H1 post. It was about strength so I replied to a post about strength. Why would I have to use the word strength again.

Originally posted by carver9
Read H1 post. It was about strength so I replied to a post about strength. Why would I have to use the word strength again.

The post is precisely about Juggernaut's STRENGTH.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Irony.

Yeah, tell me about it and read this pasted question from Carver while you are at it:


Which strength ft does he have?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The post is precisely about Juggernaut's STRENGTH.

This thread is about Juggernauts strength.

Do you want me to beat the crap out of you people? You are spamming my thread. But you are right this thread is about Juggernaut's physical strength.

Juggernaut is usually a jobber. He isn't a popular villain like Thanos for example so he rarely has his chance to shine. But I ask based on his highest appearances and quotes from other characters around what level of strength is he?

If Superman is 100 then what is classic Juggernaut. How high is Current Juggernaut.

Classic 100, current 110, hell, probably much higher than that for current; like 180. That's if we are using what was said about Juggernaut like him being more powerful than any shown Cytorrak.

I honestly thought that the OP will be "Don't you know who I am?"

Lol...Thingy.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday, Mongul, and Darkseid doesn't have mountain level fts either. Post scans if they do. With that said, do you agree that they are under the 1000 ft weight class? If Superman is above 1000tons on average then yes they are above 1000 tons. Who has juggs overpowered that's consistently (or on average) above 1000 tons.

I'd say Class 100, on the lower end of the scale. His durability should be his main advantage, not his strength. That should be how he takes down bricks, by just walking right through their attacks. Not that he has not actually done that before, but it is how he should always be written when physically fighting Class 100's.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman is above 1000tons on average then yes they are above 1000 tons. Who has juggs overpowered that's consistently (or on average) above 1000 tons.

He doesn't have to overpower people. Simply holding your own in a physical fight against Thor or Hulk is enough. Thor can lift up a snake large enough to wrap itself around the planet.

If you send Juggernaut hurtling at a planet or a planet size object he would destroy it with a punch.

Originally posted by golem370
If you send Juggernaut hurtling at a planet or a planet size object he would destroy it with a punch.

Perhaps, but this isn't exactly the same as just being able to one shot a planet normally. As in, without having to be "hurled" at it. His invulnerability would be just as much a factor as his strength in that feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman is above 1000tons on average then yes they are above 1000 tons. Who has juggs overpowered that's consistently (or on average) above 1000 tons.

Show me proof of someone like Hulk or Superman operating at 1000 tons.

Juggernaut/Thanos or two that you won't see picking up a mountain or even a Jumbo Jet. I think they said when he first became Juggernaut he dug himself out of a crumbled mountain or something and him breaking out of that steel coffin was pretty impressive.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman is above 1000tons on average then yes they are above 1000 tons. Who has juggs overpowered that's consistently (or on average) above 1000 tons.

You still can't grasp that not every comic is a weightlifting magazine. You worship Superman who is oft depicted lifting great amounts of weight. It's what you Superman fans crave like a drug and the DC writers are happy to sell to you. You assume that because super strong peer characters from a separate universe are inferior simply because they aren't nearly as feat heavy. That's the lens you see the comic book world from.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. He has no feats over 1000 tons. Elite tier has planetary feats. Juggs doesn't even have mountain level feats. His unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength which makes him seem elite
Sure he does.

h1, the only way you would have any point about strength is if you had feats of Juggernaut struggling to perform a feat that the Class 100's he has fought could easily do. Or just him being outright unable to do something. Like for example if he was unable to lift up a car. Or if you have feats of him having a really really hard time physically overpowering people who are nowhere near Class 100 strength. If you had a bunch of feats like that it might be different.

Or if all people had to go on was character statements..then yeah, okay, because statements without feats are irrelevant mostly. But of course that isn't the case here.

Not a car but back handing a 660lb Thor a good distance pretty cool

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