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So folks...

Vader fights the entire Alliance by himself in this new crossover with the Star Wars and Vader series..

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/11/star-wars-vader-down-crossover-event-announced-at-comic-con/

Kewwwlll

Wow. It's almost as if we already had a story very similar to this one...

The comics though have been pretty great so far though, so hopefully it's far better than LotS.

Remember when Vader was the villain?

No.

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I'm guessing this is post ANH, Pre ESB?

This could literally be where he crashes after his TIE fighter goes ape-shit

But yeh, doesn't seem in character for Luke to try kill him unless this is pre ESB.

He's going to kick some ass

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm guessing this is post ANH, Pre ESB?

This could literally be where he crashes after his TIE fighter goes ape-shit

But yeh, doesn't seem in character for Luke to try kill him unless this is pre ESB.

It's pre-ESB but not immediately after ANH.

Originally posted by ares834
It's pre-ESB but not immediately after ANH.

It's post ANH both the Star Wars series and Darth Vader series takes place after ANH.

Also found this..



He's gonna cut loose!

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's post ANH both the Star Wars series and Darth Vader series takes place after ANH.

Uh, yeah. Never said otherwise. I just said it wasn't "immediately after ANH" so the crash isn't caused by him spinning out of control at the end of that film.

Originally posted by ares834
Uh, yeah. Never said otherwise. I just said it wasn't "immediately after ANH" so the crash isn't caused by him spinning out of control at the end of that film.

Yeah I realized what you meant, but I couldn't edit my post cause it's gone when I try to. Apologies, running on like 5 hrs of sleep lol.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's post ANH both the Star Wars series and Darth Vader series takes place after ANH.

Also found this..



He's gonna cut loose!

Mmm, that presumably means he's going all out and we'll see the full extent of his power, given that he'll face an army alone.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Mmm, that presumably means he's going all out and we'll see the full extent of his power, given that he'll face an army alone.

Quite, quite.

Salvador's Art is so ****ing sexy. Why is he so much better looking that that ugly shithead Darth Sidious?

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/07/star-wars-vader-down-1-cover-143683.jpg

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Mmm, that presumably means he's going all out and we'll see the full extent of his power, given that he'll face an army alone. Seeing as Vader's Canon feats already surpass his Legends showings, I expect it will be pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So folks...

Vader fights the entire Alliance by himself in this new crossover with the Star Wars and Vader series..

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/11/star-wars-vader-down-crossover-event-announced-at-comic-con/
few years the go this would have not deserved the appelation cross over....

http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DarthVader13.jpg

I dig that cover.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So folks...

Vader fights the entire Alliance by himself in this new crossover with the Star Wars and Vader series..

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/11/star-wars-vader-down-crossover-event-announced-at-comic-con/

XD Now star war is a new random comic universe where death is just something that can be quicly repair.. I mean where is immortality is not a sith thingy that demand a lot researches and have it's price....

And fan service is king.... I mean EVEN MOOOOAAAAAARRRRR !!!

The new star wars episode VII is a just like Jurassic world or terminator genesys...

We are going to teh force half awaken with a cheap cameo party... As terminator 4 is here to tell us Schwarzy still going on, episode VII is here to tell us that Harisson ford still going on...

The only film in this category worth of watching is Idiana Jones 4...

This is the end of new characters we gona to tired Vader and luke history to the death....

Indiana Jones 4 was f***ing terrible.

Any more info on this? A preview or something?

http://s5d4.turboimg.net/t1/24365701_Star-Wars-Vader-Down-1-Preview-1-d0948.jpg
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Nice, though I can't really follow...he TK'd 3 X-wings? Then crashed his fighter into a Y-wing, which crashed into another and then ejected and landed?

BRUH

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Nice, though I can't really follow...he TK'd 3 X-wings? Then crashed his fighter into a Y-wing, which crashed into another and then ejected and landed?

Two different scenes I believe (the first being two pages long). In the first he destroys a bunch of X-Wings with force. In the second he is throwing boulders at the ships.

In the first one he's using the debris from X-Wings he destroyed to block the fire of the other X-Wings.

Ah k, got it. Can't wait for this series and that artwork is just...soo good.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
In the first one he's using the debris from X-Wings he destroyed to block the fire of the other X-Wings.

Could be right, guess we'll see soon enough.

Did he ****ing blow up 3 X-wings with a Single TK wave? What the ****??!!?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo

http://www.gifsend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_7865.gif

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/james-franco-wink.gif

Nothing new here. Darth Vader have similar showings in Legends.

Didn't he disintegrate those X-Wings or something? WTF?

It looks like they were advancing on him, and he blew them up with a wave of his hand.

That's an insane amount of raw power

Honestly that feat should be put well above Plagueis exploding those Maladians.

Originally posted by carthage
It looks like they were advancing on him, and he blew them up with a wave of his hand.

That's an insane amount of raw power

Pretty much. But personally, it would also be good if Vader used some esotheric powers in combat. Seeing him just TK stuff gets a bit repetitive over time, though to be fair, he did show other techniques in various comics and novels.

Poor Quanchi. He still hasn't got over Vader soloing a Rebel fleet in his Tie. This will just kill him.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Poor Quanchi. He still hasn't got over Vader soloing a Rebel fleet in his Tie. This will just kill him.

Then let him know about these feats so he has a heart attack.

https://media.giphy.com/media/UTFiHeDL8cOSA/giphy.gif

Just kidding of course.

Originally posted by carthage
Honestly that feat should be put well above Plagueis exploding those Maladians.

Based on?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
In the first one he's using the debris from X-Wings he destroyed with his guns to block the fire of the other X-Wings.

No way Khan could beat this guy.

Originally posted by playa1258
No way Khan could beat this guy.


Was there ever any doubt except in the mind of a Troll?

Originally posted by playa1258
No way Khan could beat this guy. One shot and he's dead. Khan would end him before he could give a corny speech.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Poor Quanchi. He still hasn't got over Vader soloing a Rebel fleet in his Tie. This will just kill him.


Khan is still well above him.

I really don't like Vader being able to destroy 3 X-Wings with Telekinesis. It kinda ruins the whole scene in the trench when Vader had to destroy the fighters ship to ship.

This comic series is basically going to be the Disney canon version of TFU/OCW.

Going to be good.

Originally posted by Darth Abonis
I really don't like Vader being able to destroy 3 X-Wings with Telekinesis. It kinda ruins the whole scene in the trench when Vader had to destroy the fighters ship to ship.

Well this does take place after ANH, so who's to say he wasn't able to do it before?

Originally posted by Darth Abonis
I really don't like Vader being able to destroy 3 X-Wings with Telekinesis. It kinda ruins the whole scene in the trench when Vader had to destroy the fighters ship to ship.


He's obviously in a more desperate situation here, so going all out with everything he's got.

omfg this variant cover!

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/vader-down-2.jpg

Wow!

How long? How long must I wait now?


Originally posted by Nargaroth
This comic series is basically going to be the Disney canon version of TFU/OCW.

Except this won't be called "exaggerated" or "over the top" use of Force powers. This will all be pure canon

After this it's going to be clear Vader is in the top 3 Jedi/Sith in Canon (excluding TFA Luke).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's obviously in a more desperate situation here, so going all out with everything he's got. Dark siders would typically go all out as opposed to the Jedi who typically wouldn't.

We shall see proper what he did when the comic comes.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
After this it's going to be clear Vader is in the top 3 Jedi/Sith in Canon (excluding TFA Luke).

Lmfao, have you even seen the movies or watched Rebels? Vader is slow, he can't beat anyone who's actually a good fighter.

Originally posted by Trocity
Lmfao, have you even seen the movies or watched Rebels? Vader is slow, he can't beat anyone who's actually a good fighter. He is slow manuverability wise but quick with a light saber. Don't misquote me. Kanan and Ezra ended up putting him on his ass and escaping. At the end the rebels crew also out piloted Vader and left him in the dust.

Originally posted by Trocity
Lmfao, have you even seen the movies or watched Rebels? Vader is slow, he can't beat anyone who's actually a good fighter.

Quanchi?

Quan will get nightmares from this book.

Interestingly there are the ruins of a Jedi temple on the planet Vader crashed on. For a scan Vader destroys multiple ships with massive slabs of rubble, in addition to blowing up those 3 X wings with the wave of his hand. He also survives a collision of hix TIE with Luke:

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/stevelovesmoonspell/aavader13.jpg

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/stevelovesmoonspell/aavader14.jpg

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Quanchi? Don't even mention my sacred name.

Originally posted by playa1258
Quan will get nightmares from this book. Why ? It highlights the hypocrisy of Vader fans on the net.

First issue was pretty cool. That cliffhanger though...

Originally posted by Galan007
Darth Vader:
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Marvel has been giving him uber feats out the wazoo.

Originally posted by Galan007


Even better still is that it looks like Vader is going to solo an entire goddamn Rebel squadron in the next issue:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24532625_Star_Wars_-_Vader_Down_2015-_001-027.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24532632_Star_Wars_-_Vader_Down_2015-_001-028.jpg


http://s14.postimg.org/r5rx7v61d/image.png

http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a91afe41c44c44d53f9e875aeb6bb6f/tumblr_inline_nne74s1jm81t1ns0z_540.png

Joker be like Ass-oka can solo armies now.

Yes but can either Ahsoka or Vader solo 1 Khan? Hmm..

Damn, this level of power suits Vader tbh. They better make Sidious even more OP though.

^ Nah. Let Sidious be superior in Sabers. But in Force Powers I would prefer them to be near equals, which seems to be where they're going with this IMO.

Vader>Sidious in sabers. uhuh

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Nah. Let Sidious be superior in Sabers. But in Force Powers I would prefer them to be near equals, which seems to be where they're going with this IMO.

Should be the exact opposite. Vader is the black knight while Palpatine is the sorcerer.

Originally posted by ares834
Should be the exact opposite. Vader is the black knight while Palpatine is the sorcerer.

I could get behind this...Sidious should be above sabers anyway, I mean realistically if you have the ability to TK someone or spout out lighting from your fingertips or scramble their brain with TP.

What is exactly the point of having a melee weapon? By comparison to all that, it makes the weapon pointless.

Although one thing, did it ever occur to anyone that Vader should obviously be stronger and faster due to his cybernetic limbs?

I mean take example Grevious, the guy has shown some clear super strength and showing impressive speed.

Yet Vader....can't because.....why?

Logically wouldn't having cybernetic limbs, grant someone with a degree of super strength or speed? There would be no muscles to tire out and in fact the cybernetics could push past the limitations of what legs and arms could do.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes but can either Ahsoka or Vader solo 1 Khan? Hmm.. Not at all. Vader's durability hasn't changed nor have his canon fights in real time. Despite all the high fives look at Vader vs. Luke or Vader vs. Kanan and Ezra. His portrayal isn't what Khan's is despite more feats against fodder.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Joker be like Ass-oka can solo armies now. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.png

Originally posted by ares834
Should be the exact opposite. Vader is the black knight while Palpatine is the sorcerer.


So you think Palpatine should have greater TK than what Vader's showing?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So you think Palpatine should have greater TK than what Vader's showing?

I think they should be equal in that regard, or maybe a slight edge to Palps.

But this is really just because...what else can Vader do exactly?

He can't do Lighting.

I don't see him doing Sorcery.

I never took him as a telepathy person, though this is also another area I could see him excelling in.

So all that's left for him really, is TK and swordsmanship to really push. That and I guess Force augmentation, but the suit should also help his physicals imo.

At best if not that, then his TK should be the most controlled out of pretty much everyone considering this is all he has to work with for the majority. There can't be any reason his TK control wouldn't be above most if not everyone, since that would be his sole focus.

Who cares about should.. we'll find out eventually

Quan is in damage control mode

Originally posted by playa1258
Quan is in damage control mode Not at all. Vader takes down some ships with slower tk and it's amazing but Khan does so a lot faster and with one shot and it's no big deal. I'm just exposing bias.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I think they should be equal in that regard, or maybe a slight edge to Palps.

But this is really just because...what else can Vader do exactly?




Well he's also the best pilot out of all the Jedi/Sith.

So he has 3 main strengths that they've always drilled into us - His Physical strength/durability, TK, and Piloting abilities. So have him be the best in those 3 categories I say.

Yoda/Sidious tier would still beat him in a Saber fight due to greater speed and agility.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he's also the best pilot out of all the Jedi/Sith.

So he has 3 main strengths that they've always drilled into us - His Physical strength/durability, TK, and Piloting abilities. So have him be the best in those 3 categories I say.

Yoda/Sidious tier would still beat him in a Saber fight due to greater speed and agility.

Well I was kinda excluding piloting and physicals, more looking at the saber and TK. But yeah, I can get behind that too.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he's also the best pilot out of all the Jedi/Sith.

So he has 3 main strengths that they've always drilled into us - His Physical strength/durability, TK, and Piloting abilities. So have him be the best in those 3 categories I say.

Yoda/Sidious tier would still beat him in a Saber fight due to greater speed and agility. He was shown up in a rebels episode as a pilot against the rebels best. Lol.

The Force isn't magic, ares. It's Jesus power. There's a difference.

@ Ares:



I personally wouldn't take those archetypes that literally.

Ben was supposed to be an Old Wizard. Doesn't really say anything about his abilities in relation to other Jedi/Sith.

The difference is that is what the characters are meant to be and are; it's not just a term given to them by an ignorant man.

Edit: Kenobi's archetype was the retired gunslinger. Yoda was the wizard or more perhaps more accurately the sage.

You're going cross-genre. Ben was not the retired gunslinger. He was just another Knight and mentor. The only archetype he holds is the Obi-Wan. Vader may also be the Black Knight, but his role is more of the Dragon. The armor is a bonus.

Vader is more of a terrorist than anything else really

Which wasn't the point I was making; though I'll admit genre wasn't the best word to use there. The only thing Obi-Wan has in common with the "retired gunslinger' archetype is he changed his name and got out of the game. He is still primarily there to be the Obi-Wan. Quite literally. He's still more of the magic knight than anything. Second, and on a similar note, that had nothing to do with my assessment of Vader. His role as the Dragon is far more important than his role as the Black Knight.

True, but Obi-Wan's entire character was to die. Everything else was irrelevant. Yoda's more the retired gunslinger than anyone here. And meh. The Black Knight is almost always a Dragon. No point in mentioning being a Black Knight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Nah. Let Sidious be superior in Sabers. But in Force Powers I would prefer them to be near equals, which seems to be where they're going with this IMO. lol no dude. For reasons stated above, if Vader is nearing Sidious in any major category, it should be melee. I mean they already took away Sidious' speed advantage anyway.

Though preferably, I would rather have Sidious outclass Vader in every category like he did in Legends.

Sidious is kind of a *****, so he should be superior in no category in a just world.

The new trilogy will give us respectable villains that will make Vader and Sidious look impotent by comparison.

*****'s rule the planet bro.

Originally posted by Sinious
lol no dude. For reasons stated above, if Vader is nearing Sidious in any major category, it should be melee. I mean they already took away Sidious' speed advantage anyway.

Though preferably, I would rather have Sidious outclass Vader in every category like he did in Legends.

How did they take away his speed advantage?

Vader's TK is by far his greatest power (after his piloting abilities). So if there's any category he should rival Sidious in its that IMO. And Not Sabers where he fought seemingly evenly with Old Ben and Padawan Luke.

I would not have any problem about Vader holding an edge over Sheev in physical strength.

It could also be argued that he's more durable than Sheev.

Not sure how it's even arguable when one is fully encased in armor and the other is a decrepit old man...

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I would not have any problem about Vader holding an edge over Sheev in physical strength.

It could also be argued that he's more durable than Sheev. Comparing a geriatric to a cyborg. Man, you sure went out on a limb.

Sidious is the most wanked character on this forum and has a respect thread longer than the last Harry Potter book, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an argument for Sidious being more durable than Vader.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Sidious is the most wanked character on this forum and has a respect thread longer than the last Harry Potter book, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an argument for Sidious being more durable than Vader. Who cares if he has fanatical, crazy fans. He's a geriatric.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I wouldn't be surprised if there was an argument for Sidious being more durable than Vader. He is

Originally posted by ILS
He is

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Sidious is the most wanked character on this forum

Doubt it.



First*

Oh I thought it was the last, my bad.

Eh, best I saw in Sheev's respect thread was surviving a ton being dropped on him. That's very good, but it's certainly possible Vader is the more durable of the two.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Sidious is the most wanked character on this forum and has a respect thread longer than the last Harry Potter book,

http://replygif.net/i/172.gif

This is a major problem with many of these so-called "respect" threadss. Instead of restricting it to the most impressive and relevant feats/accolades this list of most if not all of them. I remember reading a respect thread that involved a character breaking a branch with the force... A branch!

They also tend to be full of speculation and the occasionally make a bold claim that is left unsupported. These pretty much undermine the whole purpose of respect threads which are to present info in a factual manner.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Mmm Sidious seemed fine taking Starkiller's point blank suicide attack, where as Vader was very clearly thrown back by it.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mmm Sidious seemed fine taking Starkiller's point blank suicide attack, where as Vader was very clearly thrown back by it. Is that canon ?

Obviously it's not canon.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obviously it's not canon. Then it doesn't count. I don't do noncanon. It doesn't count and you people need to let that go.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then it doesn't count. I don't do noncanon. It doesn't count and you people need to let that go.

The main SW canon = movies only. Arguably including TCW.

Would be extremely boring if other stuff wasn't discussed. It's even the right forum section to do so.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The main SW canon = movies only. Arguably including TCW.

Would be extremely boring if other stuff wasn't discussed. It's even the right forum section to do so. There are comics, graphic novels, even video games so don't try that with me. These characters are going to get so many new appearances they will get bland IMO so there's no excuse to cite noncanon sources.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There are comics, graphic novels, even video games so don't try that with me. These characters are going to get so many new appearances they will get bland IMO so there's no excuse to cite noncanon sources.

So then why are you here, if you clearly don't like the way the canon portrays the characters?

http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DarthVader13Vorschau2.jpg

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http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DarthVader13Vorschau4.jpg

Looks great.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The main SW canon = movies only. Arguably including TCW.

Would be extremely boring if other stuff wasn't discussed. It's even the right forum section to do so.

Err... no, the main canon includes TCW, all comics, novels, and other sources released after the canon split, like the one that is being discussed here. The only exception is when a comic that is released after that point has a Legends banner on it.

I think we are talking more and more Disney "Canon" as we get new material. But for the meantime Legends is the vast majority of the SW literature out there. Especially for the Old Republic era.

And there's nothing wrong with talking about different continuities of books and comics anyway. Especially when there's really only 2 continuities- Legends and Disney Canon. (I guess "Lucas" continuity could be a third which would just be Episodes 1-6, TCW series, SOD and ending with DD).

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So then why are you here, if you clearly don't like the way the canon portrays the characters? I still enjoy the mythology and have always said less is usually more. To have all these other encounters cheapens the films in my opinion. I am sure some of you want to see Darth Vader using the force to purge shit from his ass but I don't.

I don't get why people have a problem with the EU portrayals just because the movies didn't or were unable to show them.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I don't get why people have a problem with the EU portrayals just because the movies didn't or were unable to show them. I only deal with canon. You're free to talk about them all you want but I don't like to debate noncanon versions of the characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I only deal with canon. You're free to talk about them all you want but I don't like to debate noncanon versions of the characters.

But the comics, books and games that are coming out now are canon. Yet you don't seem to wanna talk those?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
But the comics, books and games that are coming out now are canon. Yet you don't seem to wanna talk those?



He's hiding the truth which is that he hates Vader being such a Bad Ass.

If that was Khan doing such incredibly amazing things in Canon NUTrek comics he'd be licking the pages of those comic books. But because it's Vader/Star Wars he's not interested.

Originally posted by carthage
http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DarthVader13Vorschau2.jpg

http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DarthVader13Vorschau3.jpg

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I hope Vader gets his ass kicked.

Nah. Only TOR protagonists get their ass kicked on a consistent basis.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I don't get why people have a problem with the EU portrayals just because the movies didn't or were unable to show them. Because the entire fabric of a debate lies in logical consistency, and EU portrayals of characters tend to be wildly inconsistent with that of the films.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Because the entire fabric of a debate lies in logical consistency, and EU portrayals of characters tend to be wildly inconsistent with that of the films.

Except the films only tell part of the story, who says that they need to show what they show in the EU in the films?

Narrative and displays of power-level aren't the same thing. As an example, Obi-Wan being a player who ****s 10/10's in the EU but never in the movies can be explained away as the films not showing his life 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and isn't necessarily an inconsistency. Obi-Wan having light-speed reflexes and the ability to outrun sound in the EU would however be an inconsistency with the films, unless you want to assert that every time we see him in the films he's crippled or unable to fight at his maximum efficiency. Otherwise, there are many situations where outrunning sound and having FTL reflexes would have been quite useful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I hope Vader gets his ass kicked. He will in Rebels. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.png

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Narrative and displays of power-level aren't the same thing. As an example, Obi-Wan being a player who ****s 10/10's in the EU but never in the movies can be explained away as the films not showing his life 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and isn't necessarily an inconsistency. Obi-Wan having light-speed reflexes and the ability to outrun sound in the EU would however be an inconsistency with the films, unless you want to assert that every time we see him in the films he's crippled or unable to fight at his maximum efficiency. Otherwise, there are many situations where outrunning sound and having FTL reflexes would have been quite useful.


But seeing as you said we can't follow the characters 24/7 then I don't see why people still have problems.

But it's their views, I just find it strange is all. Anyway, don't wanna derail.

Quan get out of this forum if you can't take people discussing the Expanded universe.

The fact that you retards are still replying to him, lol

Originally posted by carthage
The fact that you retards are still replying to him, lol

That's kewl, Sheev/Yoda/Vader still absolutely thrash Khan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That's kewl, Sheev/Yoda/Vader still absolutely thrash Khan. Utterly ridiculous. We argue based off what's in character not what you wish to happen. In character Khan is portrayed as too much for these Jedi and Sith. His phaser cannon and phaser rifle would mow any of them down before they can close the distance between them.

And Sheev/Yoda/Vader would thrash Khan with telekinesis like they did senate pods, Ventress, Maul, Savage, shuttles, Lyleks, Mandalorians, Royal Guards, etc.

Khan took that Vulcan nerve pinch like a champ. Simple "telekinesis" or "Lightning" or "a lightsaber to the face" won't stop him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And Sheev/Yoda/Vader would thrash Khan with telekinesis like they did senate pods, Ventress, Maul, Savage, shuttles, Lyleks, Mandalorians, Royal Guards, etc. Corrections first. Sheev didn't defeat Maul or Savage with tk. He hurt them with it. He hurt them in the same manner that Yoda force pushed Palpatine across the room. It's like any attack you have to do it at the right moment and can't do it whenever you want lest you catch a blast or saber in the meantime.

The royal guards are featless nor do they have the skill or accuracy of Khan. Nothing even alludes to that. We also see what a highly skilled Mandalorian is capable of. We see Jango as a legit threat to the guy who bested Sidious himself. I can also cite the Pre Vizsla against Maul as a back and forth contest not someone he can defeat with tk whenever he wants. The rest are inanimate objects. It's like me saying Khan does to them what he does to the Klingon patrol ships. It's disingenuous and poor form.

Skill always matters along with the weaponry especially comparing Khan to the Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Khan took that Vulcan nerve pinch like a champ. Simple "telekinesis" or "Lightning" or "a lightsaber to the face" won't stop him. Nerve pinch >>>>> laughable kicks and punches from Kenobi or Anakin. They looked awful in their fight in hand to hand. I was waiting for someone to try to scratch out the others eyes.

Quan I'll be making the thread Tuesday night - and will also hopefully post my opener then too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nerve pinch >>>>> laughable kicks and punches from Kenobi or Anakin. They looked awful in their fight in hand to hand. I was waiting for someone to try to scratch out the others eyes.
http://i.imgur.com/3aBnoTX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XQ0SQlY.jpg
"Vader was forty meters from her. He stood up straight, towering over the crew near him. He was looking right at her, his lightsaber held at his side, and she could feel the weight of his regard pressing against her like a punch. He exploded into motion, moving toward her at preternatural speed, his strides devouring the deck space between them. Crew scrambled out of the way at his approach, his dark form knifing through them.

She raised her blasters and took aim, shooting as fast as she could pull the triggers, scribing the air between them with lines of red energy. Vader didn't slow his sprint and his lightsaber was a blur as he came on, deflecting her shots in all directions. A few came back at her. One hit the pallet and sent tools skittering along the deck. Another scorched the bulkhead beside her, but still she fired."
"To his right his Master gestured and, with the Force, lifted two of the lyleks from the floor. Vader and his Master exchanged no words, but each knew precisely what the other intended. With a casual throwing motion, the Emperor flung the two lyleks in Vader's direction, their legs and tentacles squirming, bellies exposed. Slashing and turning a rapid spin, Vader bisected both of them; the four gory pieces that remained fell to the floor in a heap."
"Below, an explosion of Force lightning shredded a handful of lyleks and left his Master standing in the center of a circle of charred, dead creatures. He made eye contact with Vader, nodding, and Vader knew to hold his position as the queen closed."
"He threw his lightsaber at her open mouth, guiding it with the Force, causing it to spin as rapidly as a rotor as it flew into her gullet. She gagged, recoiled, one good eye wide with pain and confusion, as Vader maintained his mental hold on his spinning blade, cutting her apart from the inside out. Desperately, instinctively, she drove the spiked, poisoned tip of another tentacle at his chest.

Enmeshed in the Force, he caught the spike in his gauntleted fist and stopped it before it reached his armor. He grunted with pain, with exertion, the thick, muscular appendage of the giant creature straining against his Force-fueled strength. He was the stronger, and stared into her face as his lightsaber tore through her innards and his Master's lightning charred her flesh. "
"Lord Vader strode heedlessly through the crossfire, cape flowing out behind him, his lightsaber cutting the air before him, deflecting dozens of blaster shots back at the Twi'leks, killing one, another, another. He did it all almost casually, as though his mind was on other things. The black lenses of his helmet were fixed upward, at the rim of the quarry."
"Vader raised his hand, seized one of the leading lyleks with the Force, and flung it sideways into the trees. It struck a tree trunk as thick around as a man, and its ridged, spiked carapace cracked open, leaving it squirming helplessly at the base of the tree."
"Vader extended a gloved hand and loosed a blast of power that blew apart two of the lyleks rushing toward him, showering those behind with gore and chunks of carapace."

all pale in comparison to the Vulcan nerve pinch.

Oh Yeah NUTrek Vulcans are clearly > Jedi. And NuTrek Spock is clearly > Yoda. That's obvious.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
http://i.imgur.com/3aBnoTX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XQ0SQlY.jpg
"Vader was forty meters from her. He stood up straight, towering over the crew near him. He was looking right at her, his lightsaber held at his side, and she could feel the weight of his regard pressing against her like a punch. He exploded into motion, moving toward her at preternatural speed, his strides devouring the deck space between them. Crew scrambled out of the way at his approach, his dark form knifing through them.

She raised her blasters and took aim, shooting as fast as she could pull the triggers, scribing the air between them with lines of red energy. Vader didn't slow his sprint and his lightsaber was a blur as he came on, deflecting her shots in all directions. A few came back at her. One hit the pallet and sent tools skittering along the deck. Another scorched the bulkhead beside her, but still she fired."
"To his right his Master gestured and, with the Force, lifted two of the lyleks from the floor. Vader and his Master exchanged no words, but each knew precisely what the other intended. With a casual throwing motion, the Emperor flung the two lyleks in Vader's direction, their legs and tentacles squirming, bellies exposed. Slashing and turning a rapid spin, Vader bisected both of them; the four gory pieces that remained fell to the floor in a heap."
"Below, an explosion of Force lightning shredded a handful of lyleks and left his Master standing in the center of a circle of charred, dead creatures. He made eye contact with Vader, nodding, and Vader knew to hold his position as the queen closed."
"He threw his lightsaber at her open mouth, guiding it with the Force, causing it to spin as rapidly as a rotor as it flew into her gullet. She gagged, recoiled, one good eye wide with pain and confusion, as Vader maintained his mental hold on his spinning blade, cutting her apart from the inside out. Desperately, instinctively, she drove the spiked, poisoned tip of another tentacle at his chest.

Enmeshed in the Force, he caught the spike in his gauntleted fist and stopped it before it reached his armor. He grunted with pain, with exertion, the thick, muscular appendage of the giant creature straining against his Force-fueled strength. He was the stronger, and stared into her face as his lightsaber tore through her innards and his Master's lightning charred her flesh. "
"Lord Vader strode heedlessly through the crossfire, cape flowing out behind him, his lightsaber cutting the air before him, deflecting dozens of blaster shots back at the Twi'leks, killing one, another, another. He did it all almost casually, as though his mind was on other things. The black lenses of his helmet were fixed upward, at the rim of the quarry."
"Vader raised his hand, seized one of the leading lyleks with the Force, and flung it sideways into the trees. It struck a tree trunk as thick around as a man, and its ridged, spiked carapace cracked open, leaving it squirming helplessly at the base of the tree."
"Vader extended a gloved hand and loosed a blast of power that blew apart two of the lyleks rushing toward him, showering those behind with gore and chunks of carapace."

all pale in comparison to the Vulcan nerve pinch. So you show me feats not occur in real time and then misrepresent my argument because yours is lacking. Nerve pinch >>> Kenobi kicks and punches as well as Anakin. I didn't say force powers, noob.