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Fight takes place in the Trayus Core.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. No holds barred

Standard morals and equipment. Who wins?

Darth Traya in all categories methinks. Reasons:
Deep knowledge of lightsaber forms, proficiency with shatterpoint and exceptional agility makes her the overall better duelist.

Profound telepathic and overall Sense ability as well as her strong will would likely make her able to resist Wyyrlok's illusions.

Her offense Force powers are comparable to that of pre-prime Krayt, who is canonically superior to Wyyrlok as a Force user.

Her feats in lightsaber combat aren't as impressive as Wyyrlok's, though. Her technical skill is impressive but ultimately Wyyrlok's showings of sheer lightsaber skill exceed hers.

And pre-prime Krayt's TK and Lightning canonically "far outstrip" any other Sith of the era's, which would include Wyyrlok. However, even after being reborn, Krayt's Force Lightnint clearly did not far outstrip Wyyrlok's, so it stands to reason that Wyyrlok grew more powerful since that quote (his journey into the Deep Core and ascension to Dark Lord of the Sith both occurred after that quote was written, as I recall).

What are Wyyrlok's saber feats?

I would think that quotes like that don't have an expiry date, especially considering its made outside of the contexts of the comic, and says "of his era", so I'm not sure we can realistically "date it".

That said he's superior either way, and Traya seems comparable.

Wyyrlok in the sabers and all out, I'd give Force an even split.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What are Wyyrlok's saber feats?

I would think that quotes like that don't have an expiry date, especially considering its made outside of the contexts of the comic, and says "of his era", so I'm not sure we can realistically "date it".

That said he's superior either way, and Traya seems comparable.

1. Contending with Reborn Krayt.

2. Right, except we have on-panel proof that shows an even more powerful version of Krayt's Lightning doesn't "far outstrip" Wyyrlok's, which mean Wyyrlok obviously grew more powerful since the quote, and as I said, major events like his ascension to Dark Lord and his journey into the Deep Core give him opportunities to have grown more powerful. It's obvious that he did.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Contending with Reborn Krayt.Contending? That's being awfully generous.Yeah but that's not my point, my point is you can't put a timestamp on a quote that isn't made in the contexts of the Legacy timeline, beyond a general reference to the era. Your assuming an equivalence between publishing dates and in-universe dates where none exists.

Your "on-panel proof" doesn't alter that, it just makes the quote unreliable and likely hyperbole.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Contending? That's being awfully generous.

A lot of the fight was off screen tbh

Originally posted by Selenial
A lot of the fight was off screen tbh I'm not seeing an indication of that. However it's more the tone of the duel than the duration that's telling IMO.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Contending? That's being awfully generous.Yeah but that's not my point, my point is you can't put a timestamp on a quote that isn't made in the contexts of the Legacy timeline, beyond a general reference to the era. Your assuming an equivalence between publishing dates and in-universe dates where none exists.

Your "on-panel proof" doesn't alter that, it just makes the quote unreliable and likely hyperbole.

1. Not really. Wyyrlok lasted longer and did better than Cade did, considering the differences in Krayt's attitude towards the fights.

2. I'm not giving a "timestamp" to the quote, I'm saying that Wyyrlok has grown more powerful since, and that's a fact.

The publishing date matters because sources have been released since that have altered continuity - that's called a retcon. Otherwise, we're stuck with Insider #62 claiming Vader hadn't fought a Jedi between RotS and ANH, when he did due to sources that came out after Insider #62. The only time a publishing date matters is when there's an explicit contradiction from something that has been released afterwards - and there's a contradiction here indeed, and it's very explicit.

Krayt did seem to blitz Wyyrlok at the end tho.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not really. Wyyrlok lasted longer and did better than Cade did, considering the differences in Krayt's attitude towards the fights.I don't think that's an accurate comparison, considering Krayt "defeated" Cade with Force abilities not lightsaber skill.I feel you are and that you just did, you arguing that Wyyrlok has grown more powerful since that statement was published, your treating the statement as if it can be dated and therefore refers to an earlier point in Wyyrlok's continuity, where he was less powerful.

Unless what you mean is that Wyyrlok as a character has been revealed to be more powerful than originally established, but that's different, as it means Krayt never outstripped his power in the first place, that would be as you say a retcon. But that doesn't appear to be what your saying.

Edit: Nvm

That moment when Sel tried to counter Beni's argument and realized she was incapable...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think that's an accurate comparison, considering Krayt "defeated" Cade with Force abilities not lightsaber skill.I feel you are and that you just did, you arguing that Wyyrlok has grown more powerful since that statement was published, your treating the statement as if it can be dated and therefore refers to an earlier point in Wyyrlok's continuity, where he was less powerful.

Unless what you mean is that Wyyrlok as a character has been revealed to be more powerful than originally established, but that's different, as it means Krayt never outstripped his power in the first place, that would be as you say a retcon. But that doesn't appear to be what your saying.

1. Krayt would've had to beat Cade skilfully first in order to land his hand for the Dark Transfer.

2. Wyyrlok could have well been "revealed" to be more powerful than originally established, since he never showed anything close to full power at any point until his battle with Krayt. His domination of the cultists was said to be with an "iota of his power".

Originally posted by ILS
That moment when Sel tried to counter Beni's argument and realized she was incapable... http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/1341734200.gifOriginally posted by SunRazer
Krayt would've had to beat Cade skilfully first in order to land his hand for the Dark Transfer.I'm not sure about that, I think he would have had to create an opening, but this wouldn't be the first time someone has landed a physical hit in a duel that hasn't been a killing blow. Just so happens Krayt's touch is deadly.

During his fight with Krayt, Wyyrlok did indicate he'd been hiding some of his power and was greater than Krayt believed.

I think vs Armor Krayt, the outcome would've been in doubt.

Originally posted by ILS
That moment when Sel tried to counter Beni's argument and realized she was incapable...

I was actually countering SunRazer, just realised it kinda hurt my case.

Not my fault if Beni can't see it

http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/1790400411.gif

Originally posted by Nephthys
Krayt did seem to blitz Wyyrlok at the end tho.

Like Vos blitzed Sora?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/1341734200.gifI'm not sure about that, I think he would have had to create an opening, but this wouldn't be the first time someone has landed a physical hit in a duel that hasn't been a killing blow. Just so happens Krayt's touch is deadly.

It showed he at least gained the advantage despite his more lax attitude towards the (much shorter) fight. Still, he seemed to have Cade on the ground when that happened too, unless my memory is incorrect. I'd say it looks like Krayt had quite a sizeable advantage, probably a game-changing one, by that point in time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/1341734200.gifI'm not sure about that, I think he would have had to create an opening, but this wouldn't be the first time someone has landed a physical hit in a duel that hasn't been a killing blow. Just so happens Krayt's touch is deadly.

Except when he's not using Dark Transfer, Krayt normally dual-wields. Which means he would have alternatively been holding a lightsaber in that hand, which means Cade would've dun got shanked.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Like Vos blitzed Sora?

Didn't Vos at least have his lightsaber in his hand? All he had to do was spin around surprisingly. Krayt was unarmed and on his knees before he killed Wyyrlok.